Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Auntie Velvet]

5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She's Mike's Cousin. So sort of Mooby's cousin twice removed? I don't know how the once, twice, thrice removed thing works. But more importantly, she's told immigration that Chachi is her grandson to help him stay in the country and to help Mooby out. Even if he paid her; still, she's lying for his petulant ass, and both he and SheBeast should be grateful. Instead, they're acting as if she just decided to plant her ass in their house for shits and giggles.

Well, I was on the barge during that time, so didn't see it. But clearly, she wanted her face and beauty back more than she wanted Nik's "murderer" to go to jail. But I'm talking about now. I haven't seen any genuine feelings. Just blackmail and plans for revenge.

Well, granted, she hasn't expressed it since she came out of Shadybrook, but it was only like a month or two ago when she was talking this way. She said Griffin had idealized her good side and Ryan her bad, and Nikolas just saw her for herself.

[Auntie Velvet]

Carly's being such a butt to Sonny about this Mike thing (I'm sure to advance a plot involving a cute brunette -- notice the magent specialist is a woman?) 

But plot aside, what is the big deal about driving him to the city and at least trying to get into the trial? There really isn't much to lose at this point, and it won't take Sonny away from his family like it would have if they'd gone to that Europe clinic. 

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

(he's pinning hopes on this experimental procedure from the paper Gladys gave him; UGH at him calling her an 'unreliable source').  

Whatever's unreliable about it is because it's from the internet, not because Gladys printed it out and gave it to Sonny. Gah.

I think the Anna/Finn talk was the most reasonable and mature one they've had maybe ever.

I'm amazed Carly could say "Robin's story is incredible" without sneering or choking.

Did Sonny actually say that Ava being murdered would make him unhappy? I think that's probably the nicest thing he's ever said about her.

[ouinason]

Avery crying over her mom dying would cramp his style.

[TeeVee329]

Previews...Lucy in the Crimson offices made me sad all over again she's not running the place. 

Also, can't wait to see how the writers have Liz confront Nikolas about not contacting his loved ones without mentiong Lucky, you know, just his brother and her ex-husband and the father of her children.  I'm sure she's mostly mad he wasn't there for Franco during his trying times! 

ETA...oh wait, were Liz and Franco a thing before Nik died?  I would give Nik all sorts of bonus points if he was NOT PLEASED about this development.

Edited January 10, 2020 by TeeVee329

[perkie1968]

6 hours ago, tvgoddess said:

Does Julian know yet?

Ava told him today.  HIs response was something like, "you're not planning on murdering him are you".  To which Ava said she was going to take Nik for all the has.  Julian was beeing all mooby about Lucas so he was more subdued than I would have expected with news like that.  

 

4 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

First once I didn't hate an Ava-Sonny conversation; he actually seemed to grudgingly admire her.

There seems to be a bit of change in the Ava/Sonny dynamic since the new writers, starting with him bringing Avery to see her at Shadybrook. 

 

6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

So some part of her is afraid Nik might kill her? I

So long as she has she has the codicil she's safe.  

[perkie1968]

1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

what is the big deal about driving him to the city and at least trying to get into the trial?

I think the concern from Carly and Michael is that there is no cure for Alzheimers but Sonny believes he can find one in time to cure Mike.  Sonny hasn't accepted that his father has a death sentence.  

 

15 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Did Sonny actually say that Ava being murdered would make him unhappy? I think that's probably the nicest thing he's ever said about her.

I'm not sure what he meant by that.  He said if whatever Ava was doing was going to cause Avery to be hurt, or Ava's murder, than he would be upset.  But I didn't think it was that he would be sad she was dead, but rather that her death would be upsetting to Avery.  That's how I read it.  

Edited January 10, 2020 by perkie1968

[ouinason]

Friz was not a thing when Nik faked his death the first time, for sure and I think that they had their first date right around the time when he "died" in Greece.

 

It took Liz and Franco 6 months from their first date to when they slept together and called it official.  Good lord that's an eternity in soap terms, but I give a bit of a pass for 2 arrests, a kidnapping and a shove down the stairs in the meantime.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Sam: “Robert TOTALLY believed us!”

Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆 If you believe that, then there’s some land in the swamps in Florida I can sell you!

IF Robert does get another parole officer, I hope they’re EXACTLY like Delores!😆😆😆

Today’s Robert is MY ROBERT! I loved all that truth telling!!

Yeah, while SheBeast didn’t sneer when she said Robin’s journey was incredible, it sounded like she choked it out. Because you know she would have sneered it-THAT would be true to her character. Not the quiet mumbly shumbly of today.

Jax!Jax!Jax! STAY AWAY from Nina!

Hmmm...is Anna gonna try and get the goods on Heinrik???

So. Ava is gonna try and get the entire Cassadine fortune for herself! Wow that’s just 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴

SHUT UP, you SLS! You have NO SAY in how Brad raises Wiley. If Brad doesn’t want a nanny, then you SHUT UP AND ACCEPT IT. Your role as “godfather” only goes into effect if both Brad and Lucas are DEAD.

[dubbel zout]

25 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

There seems to be a bit of change in the Ava/Sonny dynamic since the new writers, starting with him bringing Avery to see her at Shadybrook. 

I hope so. His treatment of her has been so appalling. They don't need to be pals, but his gross misogyny and absurd animosity needs to end.

9 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Your role as “godfather” only goes into effect if both Brad and Lucas are DEAD.

Only if he's also a guardian, which isn't clear. I know his over involvement in Wiley's life is a plot point with a giant anvil, but Michael needs to back the fuck off.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

 

Only if he's also a guardian, which isn't clear. I know his over involvement in Wiley's life is a plot point with a giant anvil, but Michael needs to back the fuck off.

I know, but as far as this show is concerned, and from what I’ve seen, they’re both the same thing! We all know how lazy this show is when it comes to, well, just about EVERYTHING!

Totally agree with your last sentence!

[TeeVee329]

23 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I know his over involvement in Wiley's life is a plot point with a giant anvil, but Michael needs to back the fuck off.

This precisely.  I remember thinking that a while ago when he told Lucas he was going to pay for Wiley's entire college education.  That's not your place to decide without even asking the parents, dude, and the fact that Wiley's secretly your son doesn't change your overstepping in the current situation.

I'm really ready for this to be over.  Not because I care at all about Michael getting his son, but oh the dragging on.

Edited January 10, 2020 by TeeVee329

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I think the Anna/Finn talk was the most reasonable and mature one they've had maybe ever.

I'm amazed Carly could say "Robin's story is incredible" without sneering or choking.

Did Sonny actually say that Ava being murdered would make him unhappy? I think that's probably the nicest thing he's ever said about her.

A) I totally agree. Finn being correct and Anna taking him seriously (both sounding like real adults!) was good to see.

B) It was amazing; I very highly doubt Carly truly meant it but she sees Sonny being in a moment of real fear of his father dying and simultaneously remembering how scared he was of losing Robin to HIV. Not a good moment to say something snarky. 

C) Yes. The implication seems to be (since Avery definitely knows who her mommy is) that Sonny doesn't want to see Avery crying/heartbroken over her mother dying. I think he sorta admires what Ava has done, as it's not too different from when Sonny married No. 1 Carly reincarnated, aka Sarah Brown as Claudia Z. to gain power.

[Cheyanne11]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I know his over involvement in Wiley's life is a plot point with a giant anvil, but Michael needs to back the fuck off.

"Brad said no to a nanny, but I don't care, I'm getting him one."  Oh, do shut up, you smug Richie Rich.

Diane contending over and over again to Robert that Sam's parole officer had a "bias" had me shooting daggers from my eyes at the screen.  You shut up, too, consigliere, the woman is just doing her job.

[Asp Burger]

I do think the various writing regimes have been consistent with Carly. Her world revolves around (1) Iason and (2) Sonny.  She hates women who threaten her supremacy in their lives. She made exceptions for Courtney and Sam. Courtney was Sonny's sister and her own BFF, thus a perfect proxy. It took Sam many years to get a similar exemption, but she shows Carly due deference and was preferable to other options.

She starts despising other women the minute she sees them as a threat, and it lasts until she no longer sees them as a threat.

Remember how sweet and solicitous the Sarah Brown Carly was with Liz until Liz became more to Jason than Emily's best friend? Remember the LW Carly's gushing at first over Kate Howard, because Kate was a magazine editor/fashion doyenne she had admired?  

Carly backed off her hatred for Robin and Liz when they were firmly off the playing field for Jason. Robin is just where Carly wants her: apparently happily married to someone else and across the country. So of course she could wish her well on her way out of town, and now say she had an "incredible story."

Now she can squeeze out a compliment for Liz as a nurse or a mother, but she'll still occasionally throw in a comment like "Now I have to talk to Elizabeth Webber, one of my least favorite things to do" or "She's far from my favorite person." Liz is too close at hand, and she committed the unforgivable crime of having Jason's child without going through the proper channels. So she'll always have a claim on Jason's time.   

She'll never really be okay with Alexis, either. 

If this current Sonny/Carly tension actually goes anywhere, I'm interested to see how Carly reacts at the first sign of a new relationship for Sonny. I don't know where they would put either one of them, honestly. With new characters?  

[drtslim]

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SHUT UP, you SLS! You have NO SAY in how Brad raises Wiley. If Brad doesn’t want a nanny, then you SHUT UP AND ACCEPT IT. Your role as “godfather” only goes into effect if both Brad and Lucas are DEAD.

I have mixed feelings about this: I have difficulty raising much indignation with Michael since Brad knows that "Wiley" is really Michael's son; but it is weird to see Michael behaving in such a way since he doesn't know "THE TRUTH."

 

[statsgirl]

7 minutes ago, drtslim said:

I have mixed feelings about this: I have difficulty raising much indignation with Michael since Brad knows that "Wiley" is really Michael's son; but it is weird to see Michael behaving in such a way since he doesn't know "THE TRUTH."

It is very Carly though, always interfering and thinking that she knows better than anyone else what to do with other people's lives.

[ulkis]

previews: shut up Sasha.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ulkis

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

Carly backed off her hatred for Robin and Liz when they were firmly off the playing field for Jason.

Carly only backed off her hatred of Robin a few years ago when she found out Robin saved “Jason.” Didn’t really have to do with knowing Robin and Jason weren’t interested in each other romantically, as that had been the case since a tease in 2005. 

Edited January 10, 2020 by HeatLifer

[30 Helens]

So, the critical information J&S brought to Robert was a theory based on a bunch of facts he already knew? Like he can’t solve a puzzle without the Borg brain trust leading the way? I’m glad he shot them down, but it really should have been more forceful (and disdainful).

On 1/8/2020 at 7:16 AM, Captanne said:

I don't have the baggage with Valentin everyone here does so I don't have a built-in hate on for him and -- gotta admit -- he looks for all the world like David Tenant and I'm a Whovian from way back (Tom Baker's 4).

No worries, if we see more of him, I'm sure I will learn to hate him.  LOL  But for now, I wanted Charlotte to stay with him.  Bring on the judgment.

No judgement, except maybe for your love of Charlotte (lol). For me, she leans too much toward the precocious brattiness that ruins most child characters (see also: Emma, Spencer). I wish they would have more kids that just act like kids. (Like, any of Elizabeth’s.)

As for Valentin, my only problem with him is he’s not evil enough. An occasional glimpse of vulnerability is great, but he’s so consistently moony-eyed and feckless that I can’t take him seriously.

On 1/8/2020 at 10:11 AM, ByaNose said:

I know CW can do crazy but the writers have decided to un-crazy Nina since she CW took over the role. I know people couldn't take MS and her mugging but I do miss some of the Nina crazy because that's who she was or how MS was directed to play her. Now, in the CW version Nina is more a damsel in distress which CW is playing well with but it's kind of boring. I thought Nina would go crazy with the Sasha reveal but the writers totally changed all that. I can't really blame CW. They way it's written and directed is worlds apart from the MS version.  

I miss crazy Nina, too.  Although I’m not sure the change is totally due to the writing. Michelle Stafford often gave some off-kilter line readings that may have given an unintended edge to the character.  So I don’t know who’s to blame for new, blander Nina.  The only spark she’s shown was when she joined forces with Ava. (Ava elevates everything!) But that was short lived, and once again she’s just a bowl of vanilla pudding. Actress or writers, somebody needs to solve this mess.

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm really ready for this to be over.  Not because I care at all about Michael getting his son, but oh the dragging on.

With the constant anvils and the way they’ve unintentionally turned Michael into a creepy baby stalker, it’s hard to believe anyone could be enjoying this story. I just want Michael to get the kid back so he can be turned over to Monica’s day care and we never have to hear about Baby Wiley/Jonah again.

[ouinason]

OK, not that I'm on Michael's side, but... what was the context of the nanny conversation?  Like, I haven't seen the episode yet, so was he just out of the blue shoving child care at his uncle?  And what is the child care situation there anyway?  I just assumed that Brucas had a nanny or baby sitter of some kind because of their jobs.  If Brad is actually struggling to find people to watch the baby all the time so he can work, and he can afford it, then he SHOULD have some kind of consistent child care available to him, be it day care or a sitter.  Which, a babysitter that works daily and on a regular schedule, IS basically a nanny.  Depending on different combinations of relatives to watch Wiley every day, or at least pretty often, is not cool unless there is some kind of agreement in place.

[TeeVee329]

Well Wiley was in daycare at the hospsital, right?  Michael contrivedly picked him up because they couldn't reach Brad and he's the emergency contact (which...maybe Bobbie, who works in the hospital and isn't an international CEO, would be a better choice?).  So it's not like Brad has no other options or isn't taking advantage of them.

I think the issue is the tone.  Offering to pay for a nanny is nice, deciding he, to quote Michael, "doesn't care" what the parent wants and is going to get one over his objections is overstepping.

Edited January 10, 2020 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

54 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Well Wiley was in daycare at the hospsital, right?  Michael contrivedly picked him up because they couldn't reach Brad and he's the emergency contact (which...maybe Bobbie, who works in the hospital and isn't an international CEO, would be a better choice?).  So it's not like Brad has no other options or isn't taking advantage of them.

I think the issue is the tone.  Offering to pay for a nanny is nice, deciding he, to quote Michael, "doesn't care" what the parent wants and is going to get one over his objections is overstepping.

I agree tone is the issue. Michael is forcing the nanny on Brad, who doesn't want one. Until the baby switch comes out and he gets Wiley back, Michael has no authority over how Wiley is raised. If Brad doesn't want a nanny, Michael needs to accept that. If Brad wants to take Wiley to GH daycare, Michael needs to accept that. 

And yes, Bobbie is a more logical choice as emergency contact, but how could she, Wiley's grandmother (regardless of his father!) and an experienced nurse, possibly know more about babies and emergencies than Michael, the 30-something CEO of an international multiconglomerate?

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And yes, Bobbie is a more logical choice as emergency contact, but how could she, Wiley's grandmother (regardless of his father!) and an experienced nurse, possibly know more about babies and emergencies than Michael, the 30-something CEO of an international multiconglomerate?

This made me laugh.

I would love it and howl with laughter if it turns out Wiley isn't the SLS's, either! I think I read speculation way back, that maybe Nelle manipulated the DNA test that had him as the father? That it could be someone else altogether?

[ffwbe]

I hope they do retcon it because CD seems so awkward around Wiley. If Michael does end up with him, he’s obviously just going to end up offscreen with Avery and Donna anyway. The only issue is that I think Chase was the only other possibility for the father and I don’t want him saddled with Nelle forever 

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I hope they do retcon it because CD seems so awkward around Wiley. If Michael does end up with him, he’s obviously just going to end up offscreen with Avery and Donna anyway. The only issue is that I think Chase was the only other possibility for the father and I don’t want him saddled with Nelle forever 

I sort of drifted between the show and the barge when Chase first showed up, but I thought too much time had passed for Wiley to be his? I'm hoping she just picked up some random guy and had a one night stand. ANYTHING to keep from SLS being the father.

[Captanne]

Some of the anvilicious treatment of Michael and Wiley I chalk up to the Exposition Fairy needing screen time.   The story has to be somehow given to newbies so they understand that there is DRAMAH between Michael and the child.

My issue is that (for some weird reason) I find Wiley to be one of the least likable babies on television that I've ever seen.  Part of it is the creepy old man way they dress him.  So I have a hard time caring at all.

[dubbel zout]

Maybe Wiley can be Shiloh's after all, and Nelle can groom him to become the next creepy cult leader.

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Maybe Wiley can be Shiloh's after all, and Nelle can groom him to become the next creepy cult leader.

Speaking of, was that whole "Nelle maybe/possibly married Shiloh in prison" plot line dropped?  

[TheMediaHo]

I'm totally convinced that Valentin is the love/hate child of Hells and Faison. That would also explain his odd relationship with "brother" Heinrik/Peter, and make him related to Britt and hotdeadNathan. Imagine the possibilities!

[Bringonthedrama]

14 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

 Liz is too close at hand, and she committed the unforgivable crime of having Jason's child without going through the proper channels. So she'll always have a claim on Jason's time.   

Liz committed the unforgivable crime of being (at that time, if not now) a woman Jason's still attracted to, and being the first woman to actually have Jason's child. It seems like deep down Carly yearned to believe that if Jason and Sam were ever truly done, she and Jason would end up together. Carly couldn't handle it that when Jason was apart from Sam and chose to get sexually involved with another woman, it was Elizabeth - not her. Carly told Jason a long time ago that he should have been Michael's father. No matter how hard Carly tries to ignore facts, AJ will always be Michael's biological father. Carly screamed about Elizabeth throwing herself at Jason and getting pregnant, which Jason told her was not true. Carly was practically oozing rage and jealousy, even more so than Sam, that Jason willing slept with Elizabeth and she is the mother of his elder son.  Yes she was mad that Jason kept the truth of Jake's paternity a secret, but her real problem was that she felt Elizabeth got everything she had ever wanted. You're not wrong though that Carly expects any woman in Jason's life to give her the "proper" respect of being superior and his first priority. Thankfully Elizabeth doesn't care about that "standard" because she has a life.

Back when Burton returned to GH, I think Carly would have dumped Sonny to get with Jason in a heartbeat if he decided to try to move on from Sam had Sam decided to be with Drew permanently. But not now, since they have brought Dev into the home and they had baby Donna aka Morgan's replacement. 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Bringonthedrama

[ffwbe]

27 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Liz committed the unforgivable crime of being (at that time, if not now) a woman Jason's still attracted to, and being the first woman to actually have Jason's child. It seems like deep down Carly yearned to believe that if Jason and Sam were ever truly done, she and Jason would end up together. Carly couldn't handle it that when Jason was apart from Sam and chose to get sexually involved with another woman, it was Elizabeth - not her. Carly told Jason a long time ago that he should have been Michael's father. No matter how hard Carly tries to ignore facts, AJ will always be Michael's biological father. Carly screamed about Elizabeth throwing herself at Jason and getting pregnant, which Jason told her was not true. Carly was practically oozing rage and jealousy, even more so than Sam, that Jason willing slept with Elizabeth and she is the mother of his elder son.  Yes she was mad that Jason kept the truth of Jake's paternity a secret, but her real problem was that she felt Elizabeth got everything she had ever wanted. You're not wrong though that Carly expects any woman in Jason's life to give her the "proper" respect of being superior and his first priority. Thankfully Elizabeth doesn't care about that "standard" because she has a life.

I could see that because her reaction when she found out Jake was Jason’s was insane. She was more jealous of that than finding out Alexis and Sam were pregnant with Sonny’s kid and she was actually with Sonny both times. 

[dubbel zout]

Jason has always been the One That Will Never Be. Good!

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Jason has always been the One That Will Never Be. Good!

One of the only things I will like Jason for is that in 19-friggin-96 he told Robin he would never bang Carly again and he has stuck with that.  Going on a quarter century strong!

[HeatLifer]

35 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

One of the only things I will like Jason for is that in 19-friggin-96 he told Robin he would never bang Carly again and he has stuck with that.  Going on a quarter century strong!

What a serve.

[statsgirl]

SHUT UP, MICHAEL! Being a child's godfather entitles you to precisely zero power to make decisions for him over the wishes of his father. If you want to help, do what the child's father wishes, not what Carly and Sonny have trained you to feel entitled to do. 

And now he's going to cut his hours as the CEO of ELQ to spend the time babysitting. How do the shareholders feel about that one, SLS?

Sasha has become equally annoying. Not only is she supporting Michael's worst instincts, apparently she's just the bestest negotiator evah, even though it sound like it was Maxie who had the good ideas for the Deception campaign.

Third place goes to Willow who is fluffing Michael's ego, telling him that he's so much better than Brad.

13 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I just want Michael to get the kid back so he can be turned over to Monica’s day care and we never have to hear about Baby Wiley/Jonah again.

Not Monica's, CarSon's.  Already Michael is talking about leaving the baby with Avery and Donna's nanny, and Sonny is telling Julian to back off because Wiley is part of his family.

Do these families ever think about paying their nannies more when another kid gets dropped of to be taken care of?

Also, I'm glad Laura slapped  Nikolas because Liz is giving him far too much of a free pass.

What is that couch cover that they are having Maxie wear? KS is an attractive woman but the clothes that they put her in seem like they're fat shaming her in comparison to Willow and Sasha.

[Gam2]

I agree with all of the comments about Maxie’s clothes. When she was shown at Lulu’s house the day after Nicholas showed up, I thought she’d spent the night and was wearing a (really ugly) bathrobe! Between her and Laura, I think the wardrobe people need to be replaced immediately. There are millions of sites for attractive, well fitting clothes for those people to chose from. Are they blind?

[Bringonthedrama]

I had hoped to see real outrage and hurt from Elizabeth upon finding out Nikolas chose to stay away and plot, and then hide at Jax's place. "You're supposed to be dead." Really, writers?? I suppose it can be said that Elizabeth is de-sensitized to people coming back from the dead after Lucky, Robin, and Jason have all returned to her life but I was expecting more emotion/drama. NuNik greets her like she's a long-time friend/old flame he lost touch with a year or two ago. I suppose this is hard on Herbst too that TC is having serious personal problems so she has to act with a re-cast. (I remember in an interview she once said, "Tyler will always be Nikolas to me.") When does Elizabeth get to find out that Hayden left town because Nikolas paid some guys to scare her away?

I've had enough with the "godfather" anvils about Michael making sure Wiley is taken care of, out with the secret already.  And I almost laughed when Jordan asked Jason if he and Sonny had made a/nother enemy. Well Jordan, you've seen Sonny and Jason's sparkly, kind and endearing personalities - who could possibly have a problem with either of them?

 

[ciarra]

Isn't Brad suspicious about the brake-fail "accident"?  Why is he still running to Julian, calling him for advice about Michael when Julian has treated him with contempt and tried to blackmail him out of Lucas' life?  

[Katy M]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Do these families ever think about paying their nannies more when another kid gets dropped of to be taken care of?

I bet Sonny actually pays his help very well.  When you're running an illegal business that your employees might stumble on details about, you're not going to want them disgruntled.

Btw, is it wrong that I laughed at Sonny at the end of the episode when he was caressing the knife and trying to act all threatening?

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Isn't Brad suspicious about the brake-fail "accident"?  Why is he still running to Julian, calling him for advice about Michael when Julian has treated him with contempt and tried to blackmail him out of Lucas' life?  

Julian's the only one who knows the truth about Wiley's paternity, so Brad is stuck talking to him. Well, there's Britt, but she can't do much from prison, and Obrecht isn't trustworthy enough to confide in.

[GHScorpiosRule]

27 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I had hoped to see real outrage and hurt from Elizabeth upon finding out Nikolas chose to stay away and plot, and then hide at Jax's place. "You're supposed to be dead." Really, writers?? I suppose it can be said that Elizabeth is de-sensitized to people coming back from the dead after Lucky, Robin, and Jason have all returned to her life but I was expecting more emotion/drama. NuNik greets her like she's a long-time friend/old flame he lost touch with a year or two ago. I suppose this is hard on Herbst too that TC is having serious personal problems so she has to act with a re-cast. (I remember in an interview she once said, "Tyler will always be Nikolas to me.") When does Elizabeth get to find out that Hayden left town because Nikolas paid some guys to scare her away?

 

[Pingaponga]

What exactly is it that makes Sonny a mobster? No drugs, no guns...so what exactly is it he's trafficking that isn't coffee?

Liz was waaaaaay too forgiving of Nikolas. Just...way too forgiving. Where was the sustained anger? And did Nik tell her that Valenin isn't a Cassadine? Did he tell Alexis? Because if so, I missed it.

I kept thinking Maxie was in a sexy bathrobe. That sure didn't look like work attire to me. And where is this Maxie story leading? Is she going to quit and go to Deception? Are they going to start another magazine in PC that she'll head up? Or is Peter going to ask to work with him? They seem to be resurrecting the "Maxie could be doing more" storyline they brought up months and months ago and then dropped.

[statsgirl]

4 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Isn't Brad suspicious about the brake-fail "accident"?  Why is he still running to Julian, calling him for advice about Michael when Julian has treated him with contempt and tried to blackmail him out of Lucas' life?  

Brad really doesn't have anyone that he can go to for advice not that Britt is gone, Nelle is in prison, and Lucas is unconscious. Obrecht is blackmailing him.   He's not the kind of guy who can stand on his own, especially as the walls are closing in, and Julian has helped him out before, even if he turned against him recently.

3 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I bet Sonny actually pays his help very well.  When you're running an illegal business that your employees might stumble on details about, you're not going to want them disgruntled.

Btw, is it wrong that I laughed at Sonny at the end of the episode when he was caressing the knife and trying to act all threatening?

I thought the knife caress was hysterical. MB trying to act like a tough guy.

Sonny strikes me as the type of person who pays people he values well, and ignores the rest. Jason has a ton of money, I presume Diane is very well paid, and Max and Milo substantially.  Warehouse workers, not so much. Looking after children? That's wimminz work, no reason to pay more than you have to.

Carly has never given her childrens' nannies much credit for what they do and Michael seems to have picked up the same attitude.  Lucia (or whatever the current nanny's name is) is looking after a pre-schooler and a four month old infant. Michael just assumed that he can add to the nursery without even checking with her if she was willing to take on yet a third young child to her tasks, one of a different age who will have different nap times.

Leo's nanny, now looking after Danny and Scout, might have something to say about looking after Wylie too but at least the boys are in school during the day.

[Bringonthedrama]

@GHScorpiosRule, are those two GIFs about my disappointment, or your reaction to Elizabeth and nuNik's reunion scenes?

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, Bringonthedrama said:

@GHScorpiosRule, are those two GIFs about my disappointment, or your reaction to Elizabeth and nuNik's reunion scenes?

The reunion scenes as you described them! I wanted Liz to rip into Nik. For fuck's sake, is Laura the ONLY one with a brain? And is the only one calling him out for his selfishness and self-absorption?

[ouinason]

Maybe Liz used up all her pissed off over Nik faking his death last time.  She was pretty upset.

[TeeVee329]

5 hours ago, TheMediaHo said:

I'm totally convinced that Valentin is the love/hate child of Hells and Faison. That would also explain his odd relationship with "brother" [LWB/FS], and make him related to Britt and hotdeadNathan. Imagine the possibilities!

Hey now, my girl Britt has already been saddled with LWB/FS, she don't need Valentin in her family tree too! 

[Laur]

Can Britt come back and be chem-tested with NuNik? I feel like they'd have great chemistry together and they'd be so pretty. Overall, I really like Marcus Coloma so far. Would love to see him have scenes with JJ's Lucky too if they can ever lure him back for another stint.

I agree that Elizabeth's reaction to the Nik reveal was too chill given their history, but thought the actors worked well together in those scenes anyway. I'd prefer Liz with a tree over scenes with Franco, so I'm always happy for her to have more people to regularly interact with on canvas!

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Pingaponga said:

And where is this Maxie story leading? Is she going to quit and go to Deception? Are they going to start another magazine in PC that she'll head up?

That would be more interesting than watching her constantly glower at Nina for having the nerve to come back to work as editor in chief.

46 minutes ago, ouinason said:

Maybe Liz used up all her pissed off over Nik faking his death last time.  She was pretty upset.

I'd have loved it if she barely glanced at Nik and said, "Yeah, I heard you're alive. I have work to do, okay?" and then ignored him. He's such an asshole.

I felt like we got a bit of DGAF Julian when Sonny was trying to intimidate him.

News flash, Sonny: Lucas's son is Julian's grandson (for now), so he can indeed "swoop in." He has more right than your son the stalker godfather.

I had to laugh when Michael told Willow not to let Brad pressure her when that's exactly what Michael was doing to Brad. What a douche.

LOL that Jordan thinks Jason will ever cooperate with her without it benefitting him more than her. And no offense to Bob Massicotte, but I don't care that he died of a drug overdose. I guess our next socially relevant story is now the opioid crisis? Maybe this is tied in to the dumb truck hijacking.