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Poor Gio. I thought GM was excellent, from the point where he overheard, through his heartbreaking words to Emma, "They need me to play. I have to play, because that's the gift I got from my mother.  Because I'm a violinist.  My mother taught me everything" through to his breaking down shouting on stage.  I actually gasped when he broke his beloved violin.  Just well done, and yes, soapy.

Lulu is an idiot. It's one thing to tell Dante in private, another entirely to issue an ultimatum to Lois, and even to be angry with her.  No granting grace for anything, nor having empathy for having to make a difficult decision in a difficult time.  Wondering if Lulu's meddling will get between her and Dante.

On a lighter but more eye-rolling note----the act with Chase and his boys was excruciating.  But DZ seemed pretty committed to it.  

Will Gio move in with his Uncle Sonny the mobster?  I doubt he wants to live with the Qs now. 

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6 minutes ago, JMO said:

Lois, and even to be angry with her.  No granting grace for anything, nor having empathy for having to make a difficult decision in a difficult time.

Dante, the man Lulu loves, and Rocco, their son, have no idea they have a(nother) son and half brother because of Brook Lynn, Lois and Gloria. Lois showed zero remorse for lying for so many years to Dante when he has always trusted her, so I get why Lulu is angry. Lulu was telling the truth when she said Lois "hid Gio in plain sight." Lois and Gloria made the decision that suited them - not what Brook Lynn asked of her mother and trusted her to do. Lois found a way not to make the difficult decision to give her grandson up. 

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I get why Nina doesn't want to team up with Carly anymore regarding Michael and Willow, but going all in on winning Willow full custody doesn't get Drew out of the picture, which is supposed to be her goal.

"The Look of Love" was exactly the kind of cheese at the Nurses Ball we need more of. I loved it!  DZ looked like he was counting steps, but I'm sure he's just relieved he's not stripping. JK was so funny—the perfect amount of hamming it up. Sawandi Wilson was the most "professional" as a backup dancer, but you could tell he was also having a good time.

LOL at Sonny's stink-eye when Lucy announced that Sidwell underwrote the NB.

Mo looked like the epitome of the oldz who doesn't understand what the kids are listening to these days during Yde's song. Hee.

I wish Drew had seen Willow talking to Isaiah and rushed to take her away, showing what a possessive creep Drew really is. Oh, well.

How does it feel to shatter a kid's life, Girl Reporter?

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3 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Lois found a way not to make the difficult decision to give her grandson up. 

Yes, but you would think Lulu would have some empathy here. Because she had an abortion, don't ya know, and she didn't do this for Gio's sake. To provide him with the father and the half-brother he'd been "missing out on". I'd be more understanding if I thought she'd considered his feelings and how he'd react at all, but I don't.

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44 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Yes, but you would think Lulu would have some empathy here. Because she had an abortion, don't ya know, and she didn't do this for Gio's sake. To provide him with the father and the half-brother he'd been "missing out on". I'd be more understanding if I thought she'd considered his feelings and how he'd react at all, but I don't.

 

and Tracy brought that up. 
Honestly, I do feel a bit for Lois. I really do. It doesn't excuse everything but I think she was honest. Her teenage daughter got pregnant she had no idea what to do. and family means the world. I would go to MY mom.

she does deserve to be read for filith for all the lying but i also get it. 

17 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Too bad in all this, she didn't worry much about Gio's feelings. But she's not much for empathy. 

i like how when it came out Lulu was all. close eyes show grief. you stupid cow. you don't get to look guilty. you didn't think about how Gio would act for one second. 

 

and CARLY AND JOSS SHUT UP. it takes two to make a baby you twats. 

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I wonder if they delayed the Gio reveal to give the actor more time to perfect his acting. if so, good job. Okay in the first scene of overhearing, very good with Emma and onstage, excellent with his pain at the end.

Lois deserves what's coming down on her but so does Lulu. Whether or not one agrees with her, how she did it is unforgivable.

When Gio smashed his violin (his mother's and presumably worth many thousands), my pain was visceral.

I liked Nina's subtle snarking at Calrly (hopefully Carly starting the divorce proceeding will have consequences for her).. Joss, on the other hand, sounded like [] trash.

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8 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Honestly, I do feel a bit for Lois. I really do. It doesn't excuse everything but I think she was honest. Her teenage daughter got pregnant she had no idea what to do. and family means the world. I would go to MY mom.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" applies here. Lois's initial actions were understandable, but keeping Gio's adoption a secret from everyone for so long is where things became inexcusable.

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Lois deserves what's coming down on her but so does Lulu. Whether or not one agrees with her, how she did it is unforgivable.

Seriously. Why was it so important to talk to Lois at the NB? (Aside from plot points, of course.) She even threatened Lois that she'd tell Gio the next day if Lois didn't say something that night. What difference would 12 hours make? Lulu sucks.

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Maybe Chase and the boys should have sung Poison Arrow instead?

I missed the whole convo between Emma and Gio, cuz that segment was preempted by a news conference. I swear to God if they pre-empt tomorrow, I will lose it. Look, I know the world is shit, that's why I need my soap to forget about it for one stinking hour!!!!! 

 

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4 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Maybe Chase and the boys should have sung Poison Arrow instead?

Next year!

Actually that was a pretty good number.  JK was having so much fun and you could see it.  And Chase can sing- he's not a professional by any means, but he can carry it off.

I liked Gio smashing his violin and calling out his birth parents for what he thought they did.

And I hope Lois gets driven out of town for this.  I'll settle for Lulu getting shunned.

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After today's episode, I almost wished Luke was still around. He'd give LuLu a proper dressing down for Gio's sake. They'd better let Laura and hopefully Lucky rip her apart.

Speaking of Gio,  as of today he really brought it acting wise. The guy's an awesome violinist, that HAD to hurt smashing that prop. Dante, you've got some SERIOUS making up work ahead of you.

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

 

I liked Nina's subtle snarking at Calrly (hopefully Carly starting the divorce proceeding will have consequences for her).. 

Way to tip your hand, Nina. As much as I enjoy seeing anyone stick it to Carly, I don't think it was wise to give her a heads-up on what her strategy for having Willow keep her kids was going to be. It just gives Carly time to prepare. 

I was pleased, however to see a flicker of . . . something . . . doubt, maybe? . . . cross Willow's face when Drew talked about moving to D.C. Too bad her brain cells couldn't have been working when Ned talked about Drew planting evidence in Tracy's car. 

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I’m a sucker for the cheese and loved the guys in shiny suits because they seemed to enjoy themselves and made great faces. They were also better rehearsed than the women in cowboy boots.

First show deprives me of seeing Jane Elliott on stage, now damn Lulu keeps me from seeing Finola dance again.

I’m bitter. 😝

Poor Gio. I’m glad he’ll at least have Emma on his side. Maybe they’ll go travel together or something.

I hope this breaks up Dante/Lulu for good but I don’t want him with Brooklyn.

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This Gio story has been the only story I’ve cared about for while now, and I must say, surprisingly, GH did not disappoint! I was very pleased with the public reveal, and GM was awesome! He was wonderful yesterday with the solo, and he was great again today. I felt his pain! 

I hope Lulu is happy with herself. She never once stopped to think about Gio. Lois was wrong to keep Gio around w/o telling BL, but she wasn’t wrong about Lulu’s actions blowing up several lives. Gio didn’t deserve to learn the truth this way. Neither did poor BL and Dante, but Lulu just couldn’t leave it alone. There’s a lot of anger and blame to go around, but Lulu better get her share! I’ve been waiting to see this blow up in her face! 

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3 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Maybe Chase and the boys should have sung Poison Arrow instead?

I missed the whole convo between Emma and Gio, cuz that segment was preempted by a news conference. I swear to God if they pre-empt tomorrow, I will lose it. Look, I know the world is shit, that's why I need my soap to forget about it for one stinking hour!!!!! 

 

They should have gone the Phil Collins route and sung You Can't Hurry Love.  

re: the reveal, I've seen it posted so many times on X and other social media that I find myself watching all of the reactions over and over.  I was surprised that Chase (who was on stage shielding Anna) made no attempt to go near him, especially when Gio mentioned Brooklyn's name.

Between all of this and the Michael reappearance, Friday should be one heck of a show.

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6 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

CONGRATULATIONS LULU!  Hope you're pleased with yourself.

It should be Lois getting congratulations. Lulu was right, she messed with people lives, Lois claims she made the best decision. No she did not. She did all this  lying to Gio his entire life, even about his birthday, lying to her own daughter, the only reason he finds out the truth now he's been living with his family in plain site, uncle Sonny is his actual grandfather, he's been living with his brother and father. Lois was going to lie to him forever, lie to her daughter forever, lie to Dante, Rocco forever. Then she claims it's not Lulu business? Rocco is her son, he deserves to know. 

Lois showed no remorse or anything with moving this kid into that house all while she free loaded and lived there while attacking Quartermaines as bad people while loving Sonny so much. 

The fake new Dex has no chemistry with Joss. They were better off keeping Dex. 

The ending was soapy. Better than the poor excuse of performances and lack of main characters who should have been there. 

Bring on Michael. To take Drew and stupid Willow down.  Take the kids back! She's too dumb for any custody after believing his lies and being so confident he's cleared. 

 

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41 minutes ago, lala2 said:

I hope Lulu is happy with herself. She never once stopped to think about Gio. Lois was wrong to keep Gio around w/o telling BL, but she wasn’t wrong about Lulu’s actions blowing up several lives. Gio didn’t deserve to learn the truth this way. Neither did poor BL and Dante, but Lulu just couldn’t leave it alone. There’s a lot of anger and blame to go around, but Lulu better get her share! I’ve been waiting to see this blow up in her face! 

I agree that Lulu didn't stop to think about Gio and Gio didn't deserve to learn the truth that way. I think what this episode proved was that Lois was never going to tell her daughter, Dante or Gio the truth unless forced to by a third party. 

I expect rage directed at Lulu from Brook Lynn, Lois, Chase and possibly Tracy, but I'll be surprised if Dante has any significant lasting anger toward her because she hasn't been lying to his face for 22 years as others he trusts have. He knows there is *something* about Brook Lynn that Lulu thought he should know and has witnessed the increasing hostility between the two of them. 

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I hope Dante tells Lulu if she gave thought to blowing up this secret so carelessly without a single thought to how this would effect Gio. Rather than focusing on himself, Dante would realize that the person hurt most was Gio. Everyone else can take a backseat.

The secret lasted 22 years. I could have waited another day, Girl Reporter.

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3 hours ago, Artsda said:

 Lois was going to lie to him forever, lie to her daughter forever, lie to Dante, Rocco forever. Then she claims it's not Lulu business? Rocco is her son, he deserves to know..

So then it really isn't about Gio or his feelings as far as Lulu cares, but about Rocco? Because honestly, that's worse. Even acknowledging her feelings for Dante and her love for her son, this is not about Rocco, or it shouldn't be. I doubt her son is as devastated at this reveal as Gio is, but apparently that really isn't Lulu's business.

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38 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

So then it really isn't about Gio or his feelings as far as Lulu cares, but about Rocco? Because honestly, that's worse. Even acknowledging her feelings for Dante and her love for her son, this is not about Rocco, or it shouldn't be. I doubt her son is as devastated at this reveal as Gio is, but apparently that really isn't Lulu's business.

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard Lulu mentioned that Dante deserved to know the truth but when has she mentioned Rocco's need to know? If it was more than one time, I would be surprised. It was always about Dante and to stick it to BLQ.

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How is this Lulu's fault?! She made sure to take Lois to an unoccupied, closed room. They shut the door. The likelihood that someone, the guy they were talking about would rudely open the closed door, is not on Lulu. 

Lulu also specifically pointed out to Lois that it was unfair TO Gio as well.

This is on Lois. Lois is the one who has been lying about this. Not Lulu. 

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I'm marginally on Lulu's side here.  But she would have earned some extra points if we had seen her realizing there was no way Brooklyn knew it was Gio and made one of her digs against Lois be what Lois did to her own daughter. I can handwave BL not telling Dante about her pregnancy. They were very young, it was BL's decision to make. But by keeping the baby around the family, Lois planted a bomb that was always going to go off and hurt everyone she loves. Is it too late to go back in time and retroactively declare myself Team Catherine Bell?

Lulu has been very Spencer about this but, ultimately she has been proven right. A secret has been kept for 22 years from the man she loves and as he now has a personal relationship with his son, he has every right to know who he is. Had it been a closed adoption to a couple in Saskatchewan or something, then fine, she should keep her mouth shut. But that's not what Lois did.

The other villain here, at least to this adopted kid, is the mother who never told her son he was adopted. One of the smartest things my parents did was to make sure I knew the truth as early as I could understand.  And because of that, it was never treated as a secret or something shameful, it was something special. And I was a dramatic child. If it had been kept from me and I found out like Gio did, I would have smashed a lot more than a violin.

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They should have lifted Dante up onto their shoulders for that act!

Lulu doesn't have altruistic motives but how she stumbled onto Brook Lynn and Dante having a son and that that was Gio had nothing to do with her Brook Lynn emnity; the first was her searching for Charlotte and the second was overhearing Dante and Lois. Lois double downed on not telling Gio which is pretty insane. I think Lulu should have told Dante immediately but I don't think it is right that Lois didn't want to tell Gio.

Lucy annoys me I respect the heck out of Lynn Herring and I thought the act with her and FH/Anna/KW/Felicia and BA/Spin was cute.

When I look at Brook Lynn's outfit I feel as if I'm trying to solve a physics problem. 

I know NLG can get more contempt in her voice. I wasn't feeling it with her and Kristina. Kristina should have gotten a smack down like Alexis gave to Carly in 2011 or Sam in 2006.

I think Emma is fabulous. I'd rather her with a recast Cameron though.

1 hour ago, Grinaldi said:

I'm marginally on Lulu's side here.  But she would have earned some extra points if we had seen her realizing there was no way Brooklyn knew it was Gio and made one of her digs against Lois be what Lois did to her own daughter. I can handwave BL not telling Dante about her pregnancy. They were very young, it was BL's decision to make. But by keeping the baby around the family, Lois planted a bomb that was always going to go off and hurt everyone she loves. Is The other villain here, at least to this adopted kid, is the mother who never told her son he was adopted. One of the smartest things my parents did was to make sure I knew the truth as early as I could understand.  And because of that, it was never treated as a secret or something shameful, it was something special. 

The other thing is in this day and age DNA testing kits expose things; my cousin had a co-worker who discovered his sibling was adopted thanks to it, and also it's important to know biological medical history for health. Not only is Gio being misinformed but so would any of his future children. And of course, this being Port Charles, he would have made out with a relative.

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12 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I get why Nina doesn't want to team up with Carly anymore regarding Michael and Willow, but going all in on winning Willow full custody doesn't get Drew out of the picture, which is supposed to be her goal.

"The Look of Love" was exactly the kind of cheese at the Nurses Ball we need more of. I loved it!  DZ looked like he was counting steps, but I'm sure he's just relieved he's not stripping. JK was so funny—the perfect amount of hamming it up. Sawandi Wilson was the most "professional" as a backup dancer, but you could tell he was also having a good time.

LOL at Sonny's stink-eye when Lucy announced that Sidwell underwrote the NB.

Mo looked like the epitome of the oldz who doesn't understand what the kids are listening to these days during Yde's song. Hee.

I wish Drew had seen Willow talking to Isaiah and rushed to take her away, showing what a possessive creep Drew really is. Oh, well.

How does it feel to shatter a kid's life, Girl Reporter?

Dubbel zout, you and I have been posting on this dang show for 25 years. So no hard feelings for what I am about to say.

The kid will be fine. Daddy Dante got shot in the chest and now his mouth is attached to Sonny's butt. Lois was the one who moved Gio Lawrence into the house and was like gee how was it figured out?

Re: The look of Love, one of the times I would like to be a fly on the wall in the studio. DZ is the shortest but he grew up with his parents in a dance school in Toronto. Swickard was having a ball tormenting them and so was cody/Kelly.

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17 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Wow, Lulu confronted Lois with her findings as if she just cracked Watergate or figured out who killed Kennedy!

Too bad in all this, she didn't worry much about Gio's feelings. But she's not much for empathy. 

Lois disregarded her daughter's wishes, faked his birth mother, moved him into the house with his birth family and said he can't ever be told? But Lulu is responsible? 

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Gio and Emma would have potential supercouple in them if such a thing still existed.  They way she read him.  They were both great.  I've always liked Gio and thought he's a talent so I'm not shocked by yesterday's performance, but TPTB need to see where their gold is.  Stop digging you've struck oil, just lean into it now. 

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7 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

The other villain here, at least to this adopted kid, is the mother who never told her son he was adopted. One of the smartest things my parents did was to make sure I knew the truth as early as I could understand.  And because of that, it was never treated as a secret or something shameful, it was something special.

Same with my brother and I. 

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8 hours ago, ulkis said:

I know NLG can get more contempt in her voice. I wasn't feeling it with her and Kristina. Kristina should have gotten a smack down like Alexis gave to Carly in 2011 or Sam in 2006.

Even when she's trying to give it to her daughter straight, Alexis coddles Kristina. It's so aggravating.

5 hours ago, ulkis said:

Dubbel zout, you and I have been posting on this dang show for 25 years. So no hard feelings for what I am about to say.

The kid will be fine. Daddy Dante got shot in the chest and now his mouth is attached to Sonny's butt. Lois was the one who moved Gio Lawrence into the house and was like gee how was it figured out?

I will never be mad at you, @ulkis! Of course Gio will be fine; this is a soap. And they've made him so saintly that I expect he'll get over things in a week or two, at least where Dante is concerned. All that said,  I think it could have been equally soapy if it had come out at a Q breakfast or something: Lulu storms in and bleats it all out. But then I guess we wouldn't have seen him smash his beloved violin onstage, to the shock and awe of the entire NB audience. (Sorry, but that part was way OTT for me.)

Camilla probably won't be retroactively affected much, unless her death was faked for some reason. Which, now that I think about it, would be hilariously soapy.

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23 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Even when she's trying to give it to her daughter straight, Alexis coddles Kristina. It's so aggravating.

I will never be mad at you, @ulkis! Of course Gio will be fine; this is a soap. And they've made him so saintly that I expect he'll get over things in a week or two, at least where Dante is concerned. All that said,  I think it could have been equally soapy if it had come out at a Q breakfast or something: Lulu storms in and bleats it all out. But then I guess we wouldn't have seen him smash his beloved violin onstage, to the shock and awe of the entire NB audience. (Sorry, but that part was way OTT for me.)

Camilla probably won't be retroactively affected much, unless her death was faked for some reason. Which, now that I think about it, would be hilariously soapy.

Will beloved uncle Sonny get him a gold or silver new one, do you think?

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8 hours ago, ulkis said:

The other thing is in this day and age DNA testing kits expose things; my cousin had a co-worker who discovered his sibling was adopted thanks to it, and also it's important to know biological medical history for health.

All the kudos for this! My uncle found out at 70 years old from a DNA test that his Dad was not his biological father. It really messed with his head and his parents were deceased at that point so he couldn't ask any questions. He thinks his Dad found out or figured it out and so did others because of a few memories/experiences from childhood. 

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12 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

I can handwave BL not telling Dante about her pregnancy. They were very young, it was BL's decision to make. But by keeping the baby around the family, Lois planted a bomb that was always going to go off and hurt everyone she loves. Is it too late to go back in time and retroactively declare myself Team Catherine Bell?

 

7 hours ago, ulkis said:

Lois disregarded her daughter's wishes, faked his birth mother, moved him into the house with his birth family and said he can't ever be told? But Lulu is the bad guy? 

Hypothetical: BL did tell Dante she was pregnant, erasing the need for the lie to begin with. What then? Lois' convoluted plan to watch Gio grow up was put in place because BL "lied" to Dante about having his kid, but everything after that was Lois' doing. So really, all of this could have been avoided if BL has just told Dante that she was having his baby, but again, what then? We might as well really make this BL's fault, since that's why Lulu dug in on this so hard.

I don't entirely think Lulu is the "bad guy" here. BL was a teenager who confided in her mother, and the one thing Lois did respect her wishes on was not involving Dante. That said, I don't think Girl Reporter was being totally noble either, especially given her own past actions with Dillon. Again, I would have more sympathy for any anger she gets over this if I thought she had any sympathy or empathy for the kid caught up in this situation. She wanted to get back at BL, and now she's done it. I don't think she fully considered what would happen next.

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