S06.E17: Bury the Hatchet

[Mozelle]

The friendship between Heather and Carole continues to amuse me. Carole was caught out in her covering for Heather when she said that Heather wasn't at dinner yet because she was changing clothes. Moments later in saunters Heather in her same outfit, and LuAnn's all, "But whaaaa? She didn't change. Huhhh? Heather has on the same clothes!" while Heather's like, "I didn't change." Carole's the kind of friend who will know where the body is buried and not say a peep.

 

It was interesting listening to the conversation between Carole and Heather. I think that because Heather is tall and imposing, she gets saddled with the "bossy" label. Meanwhile both she and Carole admit that Carole is more of the "bossy" one in their friendship. However, Carole is slight and probably clocks in at 5'5" or 5'6" so she doesn't seem as phsyically imposing and, therefore, can get away with it, so to speak.  

 

Kristen crossed the line. I don't have too much trouble with her telling Heather that she was upset, but it's above and beyond to bring someone's spouse into an argument. That's only asking to escalate the problem. Also, Kristen taking Josh trying to provide an explanation for why Heather is the way that she is as "being on Heather's side" annoyed me. Kristen is one of those people who sees the world in black or white--you're either with me or against me; it's this way or no way--so someone trying to be balanced is not what she wants. I mean, it'd be one thing if Heather had gone off and railed against Kristen's mothering style or her children and then Josh said, "Well, let's see it from Heather's side," but that's not what happened and it isn't what Josh did. So, Kristen needs to own that she was out of line (which she eventually did in her blog).

 

Speaking of the blog, Kristen's blogs are the reason why I haven't given up on her. She behaves kind of badly but then on review, she acknowledges the part she played in the conflict and apologizes when she knows she crossed the line. 

Edited July 2, 2014 by Mozelle

[Bossysaucy]

I am really wondering and hoping that someone, anyone has the balls to throw Mario's infidelity into her Pinot marinated face at the reunion. She has been so inappropriate and so over reaching for so many seasons that I don't believe she should be given the courtesy of privacy. I doubt very much it would be the Countess, even though Ramona has disrespected her on so many occassions. The Countess just would never.

 

Actually, The Countess threatened to expose something about Ramona’s marriage during last season’s reunion. When the whole Countess/Pirate romp was being discussed (I think it was during Part 2), Ramona started saying that The Countess screwed around on The Count and they had an open marriage so it wasn’t a big shock that she was screwing around on Jacques. And then The Countess shot back with (paraphrasing) “Do you want me to start talking about things I know about YOUR marriage?”  And Ramona was all “Nope. Nopety-nope-nope. Sorry, Countess. Let’s move on.” I thought that was really odd for Ramona to back off so quickly and actually apologize for bringing it up and I was thinking OOOOOOH – I want to hear what this is all about. That really stuck out to me because it seemed to be info that was well known in their circle but not ever discussed on the show.

[izabella]

I'm just curious - has Sonja ever come across a man she didn't find attractive? I swear, every setting they walked into where someone had a penis between his legs she immediately became all "ooooh, lookie here". It's beyond boring at this point.

 

Yes!  Sonja had one glorious moment of clarity when she did not find George attractive.  At all.  Not even for his money. 

 

Count me among those who despises rodeos.  I had to go to one once as part of a work function, and hated what they did with the poor animals. 

[ghoulina]

It was interesting listening to the conversation between Carole and Heather. I think that because Heather is tall and imposing, she gets saddled with the "bossy" label. Meanwhile both she and Carole admit that Carole is more of the "bossy" one in their friendship. However, Carole is slight and probably clocks in at 5'5" or 5'6" so she doesn't seem as phsyically imposing and, therefore, can get away with it, so to speak.

 

While Carole may be small, she is pretty confident and comfortable with herself. Kristen, on the other hand, reeks of insecurity. I think Heather might get more "bossy" with Kristen, because she knows she can get away with it. I don't think it has anything to do with their sizes, but their personalities. 

[quaintirene]

 

I hope Harry sticks around.

I'm sure he will.  Harry seems to be the NY version of  the OC's late and unlamented (by me) Slade.  With a bit more money (maybe).

[jinjer]

Kristin may have crossed the line bringing up Jonathon, and she "apologizes" for it. Heather will never admit that she has done something wrong.  That her behavior hurt Krisitn on the day before.  She still won't admit it today on twitter.  So while Kristin after watching the show actually has shown in her blogs that she can reflect upon her bad behavior and acknowledge it, Heather cannot.

 

But Heather has been on twitter all week defending her drunken antics during geocaching, her undermining Kristin on the rock wall as "supportive", ignoring her catty, "But I'm pretty," and her mocking of Krisitn crying about completing the act.  

 

Even last night during Kristin's apology, Heather was bossy, telling Kristin how to behave while doing it.  I think that's why it ended up as a non-apology.  As someone noted above, even her talking heads to us are a little bossy, as if she is explaining what happened to children.  Like we can't understand the scene without her careful wording. 

[zoeysmom]

Actually, The Countess threatened to expose something about Ramona’s marriage during last season’s reunion. When the whole Countess/Pirate romp was being discussed (I think it was during Part 2), Ramona started saying that The Countess screwed around on The Count and they had an open marriage so it wasn’t a big shock that she was screwing around on Jacques. And then The Countess shot back with (paraphrasing) “Do you want me to start talking about things I know about YOUR marriage?”  And Ramona was all “Nope. Nopety-nope-nope. Sorry, Countess. Let’s move on.” I thought that was really odd for Ramona to back off so quickly and actually apologize for bringing it up and I was thinking OOOOOOH – I want to hear what this is all about. That really stuck out to me because it seemed to be info that was well known in their circle but not ever discussed on the show.

Jill made the allegation about Ramona's marriage and the Countess followed through. Then there was the "psychic" in Morocco who hinted at Mario's infidelity.  LuAnn had an open marriage and when she was called out on it she became very defensive. LuAnn was in the gossip sites about her risqué behavior while married. The difference between Luann and Ramona's situation is LuAnn was caught in a compromising position and gave a rather implausible explanation.  LuAnn's husband left her for another woman and she used it as part of her storyline - "my marriage of 16 years".  So far there have been no accusations about  Ramona being unfaithful and except for a full on mouth kiss on the Hooters boat considering her drinking habits she has been surprisingly well behaved.  No one is ever a winner when they forward gossip about a cheating spouse-leave it to the gossip columns. This is what makes LuAnn a snake and a chameleon to me.  Don't kick someone when they are down just to make a storyline and quit changing sides. Without Sonja and Ramona there would be no storyline for Heather, Kristen and LuAnn just as Carole would not have a storyline without Aviva.

 

I think 90% of the time Ramona is grossly inappropriate but I do think she should expect more from LuAnn. Wasn't last night's episode all about not bringing someone's husband into the fray? 

Edited July 2, 2014 by zoeysmom

[copacabana]

From Heather's blog, "Being the boss means defining and exhibiting moral and ethical courage and setting an example ..."  (Thanks, ryebread!).

 

This is one of the more absurd HWs comments ever.  We're talking shapewear, Heather.  And it's pretty good shapewear at that.  I have two pieces and I like them and wear them a lot.  BUT ... this isn't "Profiles in Courage," and it would be much simpler just to say that you try to treat your employees fairly and well and are in control of your girdle business.  Enuf. 

 

Most women I know are bossy and like being in charge because we tend to keep this world working and moving ahead in real time.  Work on being in charge of your own reactions and being polite.  Tired of her. Mocking your friend because she managed to do something that scared her half to death and had a cry over it is something straight out of the school yard. 

 

Kristin acted like a tool for sure and tends to get compulsive, but Heather wasn't much better.  Going on and on and on about how crazy her friend was being, how the cliff exercise had popped something in her brain, how knives needed to be put away, etc etc.  Showing up loaded not just once but twice -- and no way was she just drinking while the women were seated waiting for her to arrive to dinner -- She was higher than a kite.  We used to call it getting stoned -- now I guess we call it changing clothes. 

 

Heather is extremely competitive and imagines herself the Annie Oakley of the bunch -- the tough sister and athlete.  She needs to tone it down.  Her behavior at the treasure hunt was out of line and extra.  Learn to excuse yourself -- say you don't feel well and need to go lie down.  And get over yourself.  Getting into high gear because some silly woman throws out there that your husband is controlled by you doesn't do much to tamp down that perception.  And who cares?  Another dinner ruined -- for once I'd really really like to get a good look at the food, Bravo!

 

She would've earned bonus points had she been able to apologize herself to K. for being rude but instead we got another round of the tiresome, Leave my family out of it.  The LMFOOI moment is always meant to convey high drama so I expect there will be more of this drivel on the horizon. 

[imjagain]

Actually, The Countess threatened to expose something about Ramona’s marriage during last season’s reunion. When the whole Countess/Pirate romp was being discussed (I think it was during Part 2), Ramona started saying that The Countess screwed around on The Count and they had an open marriage so it wasn’t a big shock that she was screwing around on Jacques. And then The Countess shot back with (paraphrasing) “Do you want me to start talking about things I know about YOUR marriage?” And Ramona was all “Nope. Nopety-nope-nope. Sorry, Countess. Let’s move on.” I thought that was really odd for Ramona to back off so quickly and actually apologize for bringing it up and I was thinking OOOOOOH – I want to hear what this is all about. That really stuck out to me because it seemed to be info that was well known in their circle but not ever discussed on the show.

Thanks for reminding me of this. I just went and watched that episode. And yep Ramona backed off with a quickness.

Another thing that surprised me was how much Sonja stood by Lu. From last season to this season it is quite the contrast, I can see why Luann is mystified by Sonja's turn.

Edited July 2, 2014 by imjagain

[breezy424]

I think Ramona upped her happy pills for the second part of the trip. 

 

Who does actually get up with Kristen's kids?  We know Josh gets up with them in the morning.  Nothing was mentioned about Kristen getting up with them in the middle of the night and if she does, I'm sure she'd have said something to Josh.  Kristen is a lousy hostess.  She's tired and overwhelmed yet she didn't do anything more than anyone else.  She's lazy.  And a whiner.  No one wanted to geocache.  So have everyone pack it up and go back to the cabin and ask everyone if they mind if you stay.  You're the hostess.  Even though the production company planned everything you have a 'job' you have to do.  You're not a guest.

 

I don't blame Heather for getting annoyed and then angry.  Heather doesn't have to own Kristen's opinions.  Kristen did cross a line  with Heather's husband.  Funny though how Heather and Jon seem to have the best relationship out of all of them.

[ryebread]

Kristin may have crossed the line bringing up Jonathon, and she "apologizes" for it. Heather will never admit that she has done something wrong.  That her behavior hurt Krisitn on the day before.  She still won't admit it today on twitter.  So while Kristin after watching the show actually has shown in her blogs that she can reflect upon her bad behavior and acknowledge it, Heather cannot.

Heather is not built for apologizing.  She puts inspirational quotes up on her blog, which to me, seems her way to excuse crappy behavior, no apologies necessary.  Ever. 

One famous quote I'd like to see from her is:  "Love means never having to say you're sorry."  Because if there's one thing she should be sorry for is how she snapped at Jonathon while gearing up to kick Mandy's ass. That made me uncomfortable to see that clip again last night. Kristen may have tried to mock Heather's control over Jonathon, but the way he slunked away (slunked? LOL Sorry, it fits, it stays) after Heather bossed him at Lu's was much worse.  I think Ramona has seen that hunkered over, kicked dog version of Jonathon before, hence her nasty comments last night. 

 

I think Bravo replayed that clip for a reason.  It would make for a juicy, albeit unfortunate-for-Jonathon, storyline.  I think if it were reversed and Jon was ready to deck someone at a party and Heather intervened to stop it - if he'd have raised his pointed finger at her and said, "Excuse me Heather, get out of this right now.  Honey." we'd be talking about what a dirt bag he was and not how strong and independent he is.. 

[ghoulina]

Kristin may have crossed the line bringing up Jonathon, and she "apologizes" for it. Heather will never admit that she has done something wrong.  That her behavior hurt Krisitn on the day before.  She still won't admit it today on twitter.  So while Kristin after watching the show actually has shown in her blogs that she can reflect upon her bad behavior and acknowledge it, Heather cannot.

 

That was a problem I had with the whole thing. Kristen apologized and Heather was very cool about it, ready to move on. But I felt she had some apologizing of her own to do, yet she didn't. That really bothered me. 

[Rhetorica]

I think Bravo replayed that clip for a reason. It would make for a juicy, albeit unfortunate-for-Jonathon, storyline. I think if it were reversed and Jon was ready to deck someone at a party and Heather intervened to stop it - if he'd have raised his pointed finger at her and said, "Excuse me Heather, get out of this right now. Honey." we'd be talking about what a dirt bag he was and not how strong and independent he is..

Hear! Hear!

[Lola16]

For me, best line of the night was the guy at the rodeo who said, "Get real, ladies," when someone wondered if there was a VIP section. Rude, but since it was directed at these cows, I loved it.

Carole said the VIP line.  Not sure if the guy was referring to that remark or their outfits but as he was escorting his daughters, he should have kept the remark to himself.

 

See, I thought she said the opposite - that Kristen has a nanny sleep over, but SHE still gets up with the kids. I thought she was trying to say that Kristen is a control freak herself and really shouldn't be casting stones. But I've deleted it off of my DVR, and I could be completely wrong. 

I took it as Heather pointing out that Kristen is used to being walked over so much so that she even allows the hired help to push their responsibilities off on her.  I think Kristen is just as much of a control freak but isn't in control.  Kristen's yippy little dog personality and constant shocked face would grate on my nerves after 15-20 minutes.  I'd have to be paid to be her friend.

[Persnickety1]

Kristen came across as so self-centered tonight. However she feels about someone or something is the way to feel. If it's the truth (her truth, at least), then own it! Forget about how someone else feels, or if it might hurt someone's feelings.... According to her thinking, Heather is bossy, everyone knows it, including her husband, so it's ok to say. And the mean gossip about LuAnn and Carole's ex-bf is not true, so it's ok to repeat and laugh at. Not cool. She needs to get outside of herself and learn that not everyone feels as she does about everything. She needs to learn empathy.

I think Heather was right - Kristen was projecting her anger about other things (like Josh and his "bossy," controlling ways -hello!) onto her.

ETA: I just read Kristen's blog, and even she admitted she was projecting stuff onto Heather and acknowledges how mean she was to her. She also apologizes to Jonathan, but it was more about not defending him when Ramona went on and on insulting him than about saying Heather controls him. Anyway, I said this re: last week's episode and I'll say it again - I like how Kristen can watch the show like we do, see her bad behavior and OWN it (!), and apologize.

 

 

Speaking of the blog, Kristen's blogs are the reason why I haven't given up on her. She behaves kind of badly but then on review, she acknowledges the part she played in the conflict and apologizes when she knows she crossed the line.

 

I'd like to share that sentiment, I really would...But then I remember this was her BFF Brandi's strategy as well.  It was endearing at first but, yowza, what a difference a couple of seasons can make in that continuing to act beyond ridiculous and then do a mea culpa and expect people to get over it.

 

I (probably wrongly) always have in the back of mind that Brandi is undoubtedly giving Kristen points on how to snag a secure spot on a housewives franchise, so I'm just always suspect of Kristen's behaviors.  Because I'm a shallow bitch that way and (when it's convenient in my mind) find myself always going back to a "birds of a feather" mentality where Kristen and Brandi are concerned and wait for that other stiletto to drop.  

 

I could be all wrong on this.  Time will tell, as with all of these women, I guess.

 

 

I loved how Luanne stayed upbeat and acted excited to do everything. She made be laugh when she asked "why are we looking at your underwear right now?" when Ramona was defending her underwear to Sonja.

Ramona must have had fun tonight as her dolphin laugh returned.

 

That countess, she's usually such a trooper and a great guest on these events.  Well, she had a few moments in Morocco but, in retrospect, I can see why she was losing her shit contending with all of the other women's asshole behavior, starting with Ramona and Sonja sneaking off into town without a production crew supposed to a "salon."  I've always wondered if their "friend" who had a "salon" was some type of Moroccan code for "dude who sells Adderall since we couldn't get ours over on the plane" or something.  So, I cut the countess a little bit of slack for losing her cool a couple of times there.  

 

But this trip?  She's been exemplary, even diffusing that near-blowup between Kristen and Ramona and their game of "Who's The Hostess."  

 

Best line of the night was Sonja's (probably hungover) "Tell them I've got asthma."  Nice shade towards her new buddy Aviva.  I liked the snark factor of that comment.  Well done, Sonja.

 

Heather behaved like a drunken ass but I found Kristen's response to Heather's telling her "Move over, biatch" or whatever it was to be over the top.  Heather always uses that phrase with these broads in an affectionate way.  I kind of agreed with Heather when she called Kristen out on wanting to make a big deal of it right then and there.  Surely she knew that's how Heather normally interacts with them, so I found her indignation in that particular moment a wee bit over the top.

 

Great episode, though, even though I'm itching for them to get back to the city in the next episode.  

[SistaLadybug]

I'm one of those folks who can't stand to be called "bitch".  I eyeroll at the idea that it's done with affection.  I'm sure that's Heather's norm but when you're already on a slippery slope with someone and y'all have been beefing, it's probably not the best time to be throwing "bitch" around, whether it's something you've done in the past or not.  I would've done the same as Kristin: "Really?  You wanna be calling me 'bitch' right now?"

[AuntiePam]

Am I mean for not sympathizing with Kristen after Josh blew her off?  This is the second time we've seen her call and whine to him when someone was "mean" to her.  Third time if we count the time we saw her make a call and nobody answered. 

 

Loved the response to "Is there a VIP section?" at the rodeo.  What was it the guy said?  "Get over yourselves"?  Something like that. 

 

Funniest (strangest) bit was Ramona consoling Kristen -- after Ramona was the one who said the most hurtful stuff -- and Kristen looking all confused and then accepting it. 

[watcherwoman]

Looks like from previews for next week, we get to see Aviva use and inhaler wrong again.  I thought Ramona's hair looked so bad because it was wet.

Was that an inhaler?  It looked like a flask.

[shoegal]

Seriously!!!

I was really disappointed by that rude old cowboy jerk who had the audacity to randomly grumble at them, "Get real, girls." WTF??

They were dressed in fun, festive outfits and were light-heartedly checking out their surroundings and musing about VIP sections.

Given the way the rest of those fat old local hags looked at the rodeo in their gross T-shirts and jeans/jorts, that idiot should've been grateful that some out-of-town ladies with class and style showed up there for once!

Way to be a welcoming and non-judgemental local there, asshole---true cowboys are gentlemanly and courteous, especially towards women.

 

 

Yes!!  That old man and his unsolicited "get real, ladies" made me stabby.  If I were there and it was directed at me, he would have gotten himself a stiff smile and a nice little "fuck off" in response.  I much prefer the ladies outfits over the tank top, cut offs, I can't be bothered to give a shit about the way I look outfits that I saw all over that place. 

[Teddybear]

The best line was Sonja saying, "No more jeans! Stop jeaning me!"   And why is she such a horndog?  That said, those men were very handsome (and age appropriate), so I'll give her that.  

 

Heather did seem to have an attitude which I haven't seen the past two seasons.  Maybe it was the alcohol.  

[qtpye]

Ramona was ridiculous and had way too much to say about a man she can barely remember. At least Heather never has to wonder if Jonathan has shagged any of the chicks at the party he just swaggered into. I am really wondering and hoping that someone, anyone has the balls to throw Mario's infidelity into her Pinot marinated face at the reunion.

 

 

Ramona has convinced herself that the reason Mario cheats is because women throw themselves at him and at a certain point any man who is that desired will cheat.  She thinks that husbands that are faithful to their wives are weak willed losers, who no one but their wives want. 

Ramona believes jerks like Mario are ultimate alpha males and most women want to be with them.  She probably thinks when Mario walks into a room, most women envy her for being with this great hunk of man.

 

It's like those bitter women who claim all men will cheat given the chance.  Stop trying to paint a gender with one brush just because you have horrible taste in men.

[AuntiePam]

In defense of the old cowboy, the VIP section comment probably sounded to him like the women were slumming, and judging. 

 

I was surprised at how well the girls dealt with the portapotties.  Nobody likes portapotties and everybody comments on the stink. 

[Straycat80]

Was that an inhaler?  It looked like a flask.

It looked like an Advair Inhaler and it did look like she was using it the right way.

[psychoticstate]

That was a problem I had with the whole thing. Kristen apologized and Heather was very cool about it, ready to move on. But I felt she had some apologizing of her own to do, yet she didn't. That really bothered me.

 

 

Yep, I agree, ghoulina.  I used to really enjoy Heather but I've seen a side of her on this trip that I don't like.  She owes Kristen an apology for acting like an ungrateful asshole and then attempting to stir shit up the next morning by reminding Ramona and Sonja that Kristen was pissed with her.

 

And yes, Heather, we get it.  You can rappel.  You can ride horses.  You can throw axes.  Is there anything you CAN'T do?  Well, besides admit you're wrong and apologize. 

 

I think I would be completely exhausted and over Heather after 15 minutes.  Nothing more annoying than someone who can do everything and better than you.

 

Count me in as someone who is firmly on Team Countess.  LuAnn was gracious the entire trip and was game for whatever the activities were.  I don't recall her complaining about accomodations, food, activities, etc.  Why on earth TPTB gave the one-legged sea witch an apple and not LuAnn is beyond me.  I would much rather watch LuAnn's life.  Not to mention that we've seen far more of LuAnn than we have of Aviva (thank you, baby Jesus).

 

Sonja can puzzle me at times but some of her lines are classic.  "Tell them I have asthma."  "Quit jeaning me."  "I can't poop without my pills."  Too, too funny.

[watcherwoman]

It looked like an Advair Inhaler and it did look like she was using it the right way.

Oh, okay, thanks.  I saw it briefly, but knowing these girls, my mind went immediately to a flask.

[izabella]

"I can't poop without my pills."

 

So is Sonja taking laxatives to lose weight (which she's done since the start of the series) and stay thin?  Must be if she's so dependent on pills to poop.  Bad news for your colon health, Sonja. 

Edited July 2, 2014 by izabella

[Tara Ariano]

Here's Alex's post on the episode!

[Midnight Cheese]

Heather was so straight-up nasty to Kristen during the geocaching.  Jonathan's name should never have been in Kristen's mouth, but I'm so disappointed that Heather isn't apologizing for 'I'm pretty!'/'crying during rappeling,' the other comments I can't even remember, and her semi-scary alcohol-fueled aggro attitude.  She was my solid favorite and now...no. 

 

Kristen's got issues.  Issue #1 is her dick of a husband.  I cringed during their phone call: while I don't think Josh was 'taking Heather's side,' he just is so cold, disconnected from and unkind to her.  I don't think it's her or something she causes or elicits.  Whoever called Josh the human equivalent of a Lax shirt is right.  He seems very bound up in a bizarroland idea of true masculinity.  As sexist as this will seem, a real man doesn't scream and screech at his wife about being on a conference call with X people as he does next episode.  A real man slows his roll and is not prone to baby shitfits like that.  (Same for a real woman).

 

Much love for LuAnn and Carole.  I like it when people can go with the flow on the RH trips.  They really do have good sides to them, whatever their flaws, and I think are just basically better people than Ramona, Sonja and Aviva in a ton of ways. 

 

I think I would have held Ramona's head in a toilet and flushed it several times if she'd pulled the 'I'M THE REAL HOSTESS!' crap on me.  Same for Sonja and her endless picking.  Sonja cannot host a trip to her nearest subway station: it would involve an implant-flash, a lewd and witless come-on to any schlong that crossed her path and a peek at her vulva if no one took her up on her offer, nothing to drink, and a long meandering aside about her having had butlers for 40 years and how her collaboration with the Nigerian soccer team is going.  What I'm trying to say is, shut UP,  ho, with your crap about your amazing hostessing skills.

 

Ramona...tempting the editing gods by shading Jonathan, and quite unfairly and even a little cruelly.  What she was basically saying was, Jonathan is no man, and even if he is, he's unattractive and meek and boring, in contrast to sun king Mario.  Idiot!  First off, Mario doesn't light up any room - he oozes into the room and starts eyeing ass, in front of his wife.  Second, if Mario is constantly pulling women towards him, it's because he's putting out vibe, and that vibe is not "I am married, and I abhor the idea of cheating."  I've known more than one scorching-hot and very much attached man who did not put out that vibe willy-nilly, unlike Mario.  Third, Jonathan IS hot!  We've seen him be an involved and loving parent, show his athleticism (Spartan run) and a sexual sense of humor (talking threesome promises at Petrossian).  I know it isn't going to happen but Ramona would deserve a hell of a lot of questioning about her own marriage/filing for divorce/amazing husband impregnating his mistress at the reunion.  Sigh.

 

I'm a little torn about the rodeo fashion and that grumpy-assed man's comment.  Yeah, Carole made the "VIP" crack, but I trust she was joking.  I think he may have thought the Housewives were mocking the rodeo, and I don't think anyone was.  I also thought everyone looked pretty great, excepting Ramona who has lost any styling ability she may have ever had.  She's in no way heavy, but she is choosing stuff that makes her look like a barrel.  However, I can't hate on the locals for wearing well-worn jeans or cutoffs and boots and casual tees - it's a dirty environment.  And I didn't notice a sea of 'old fat hags' or whatever, just a pretty normal crowd, not dressed to the nines.

 

I'm not torn about the rodeo.  That horrified me, seeing the way the calves and other animals were tackled.  Awful. 

[Persnickety1]

So is Sonja taking laxatives to lose weight (which she's done since the start of the series) and stay thin?  Must be if she's so dependent on pills to poop.  Bad news for your colon health, Sonja. 

 

While nothing would surprise me with these women (particularly Sonja or Ramona), I think she might be referring to having chronic constipation and having to take Miralax, Colace, or dulcolax, something along those lines.  But, here again, who knows.  Maybe she's eating ExLax like a Hershey bar for shits and giggles (see what I did there, with that horrific pun???).  

Edited July 2, 2014 by Persnickety1

[shoegal]

In defense of the old cowboy, the VIP section comment probably sounded to him like the women were slumming, and judging. 

 

I was surprised at how well the girls dealt with the portapotties.  Nobody likes portapotties and everybody comments on the stink. 

 

I didn't get the impression that the guy was responding the comment about the VIP section or even heard it, and if he was/did, it was still fucking rude.  It's not as if one of the ladies asked him if there was a VIP section.  Mind your own business, jackass.

[imjagain]

Heather was so straight-up nasty to Kristen during the geocaching. Jonathan's name should never have been in Kristen's mouth, but I'm so disappointed that Heather isn't apologizing for 'I'm pretty!'/'crying during rappeling,' the other comments I can't even remember, and her semi-scary alcohol-fueled aggro attitude. She was my solid favorite and now...no.

Kristen's got issues. Issue #1 is her dick of a husband. I cringed during their phone call: while I don't think Josh was 'taking Heather's side,' he just is so cold, disconnected from and unkind to her. I don't think it's her or something she causes or elicits. Whoever called Josh the human equivalent of a Lax shirt is right. He seems very bound up in a bizarroland idea of true masculinity. As sexist as this will seem, a real man doesn't scream and screech at his wife about being on a conference call with X people as he does next episode. A real man slows his roll and is not prone to baby shitfits like that. (Same for a real woman).

Much love for LuAnn and Carole. I like it when people can go with the flow on the RH trips. They really do have good sides to them, whatever their flaws, and I think are just basically better people than Ramona, Sonja and Aviva in a ton of ways.

I think I would have held Ramona's head in a toilet and flushed it several times if she'd pulled the 'I'M THE REAL HOSTESS!' crap on me. Same for Sonja and her endless picking. Sonja cannot host a trip to her nearest subway station: it would involve an implant-flash, a lewd and witless come-on to any schlong that crossed her path and a peek at her vulva if no one took her up on her offer, nothing to drink, and a long meandering aside about her having had butlers for 40 years and how her collaboration with the Nigerian soccer team is going. What I'm trying to say is, shut UP, ho, with your crap about your amazing hostessing skills.

Ramona...tempting the editing gods by shading Jonathan, and quite unfairly and even a little cruelly. What she was basically saying was, Jonathan is no man, and even if he is, he's unattractive and meek and boring, in contrast to sun king Mario. Idiot! First off, Mario doesn't light up any room - he oozes into the room and starts eyeing ass, in front of his wife. Second, if Mario is constantly pulling women towards him, it's because he's putting out vibe, and that vibe is not "I am married, and I abhor the idea of cheating." I've known more than one scorching-hot and very much attached man who did not put out that vibe willy-nilly, unlike Mario. Third, Jonathan IS hot! We've seen him be an involved and loving parent, show his athleticism (Spartan run) and a sexual sense of humor (talking threesome promises at Petrossian). I know it isn't going to happen but Ramona would deserve a hell of a lot of questioning about her own marriage/filing for divorce/amazing husband impregnating his mistress at the reunion. Sigh.

I'm a little torn about the rodeo fashion and that grumpy-assed man's comment. Yeah, Carole made the "VIP" crack, but I trust she was joking. I think he may have thought the Housewives were mocking the rodeo, and I don't think anyone was. I also thought everyone looked pretty great, excepting Ramona who has lost any styling ability she may have ever had. She's in no way heavy, but she is choosing stuff that makes her look like a barrel. However, I can't hate on the locals for wearing well-worn jeans or cutoffs and boots and casual tees - it's a dirty environment. And I didn't notice a sea of 'old fat hags' or whatever, just a pretty normal crowd, not dressed to the nines.

I'm not torn about the rodeo. That horrified me, seeing the way the calves and other animals were tackled. Awful.

I completely agree. The locals shouldn't be hated on because they dress in what they feel comfortable in just like I don't think the NY ladies should be called out by that jerk for how they like to dress. The local women didn't make the comment about the RH that idiot man did. So I see no reason to call them names.

I also felt for the calves. I had to ff that, poor little things.

Edited July 2, 2014 by imjagain

[izabella]

Maybe that cowboy guy knew that it was the REAL Housewives coming to the rodeo, cameras and all, and was making a joke about getting REAL?

[jennylauren123]

I'm just curious - has Sonja ever come across a man she didn't find attractive? I swear, every setting they walked into where someone had a penis between his legs she immediately became all "ooooh, lookie here". It's beyond boring at this point.

 

I agree! It's downright embarrassing when all Sonja can come up with, when talking to the men manning the grill, is "I like your cooking outfits," or whatever the freak she said. What were they supposed to say? "Uh, thanks Lady, we like to call these 'aprons'." 

[essexjan]

I enjoyed this episode, apart from the calf-roping, etc. at the rodeo. The "bear" really made me laugh. Carole usually annoys me but I liked her in this episode. Luann was great too. And I would LOVE to go to that resort. A little googling, and I found it.

 

http://www.pawsup.com/

 

Here are the luxury cabins.   http://www.pawsup.com/montana-vacation-homes/big-timber-homes.php#.U7RQ2LEfPIU

 

And here's the glamping.   http://www.pawsup.com/glamping/pinnacle-camp.php#.U7RRALEfPIU

[motorcitymom65]

So far there have been no accusations about  Ramona being unfaithful and except for a full on mouth kiss on the Hooters boat considering her drinking habits she has been surprisingly well behaved.  No one is ever a winner when they forward gossip about a cheating spouse-leave it to the gossip columns. This is what makes LuAnn a snake and a chameleon to me.  Don't kick someone when they are down just to make a storyline and quit changing sides. Without Sonja and Ramona there would be no storyline for Heather, Kristen and LuAnn just as Carole would not have a storyline without Aviva.

 

I think 90% of the time Ramona is grossly inappropriate but I do think she should expect more from LuAnn. Wasn't last night's episode all about not bringing someone's husband into the fray? 

I might be remembering wrong, but I thought that last year when the whole Pirate deal came up and Ramona said that she wasn't surprised because Lu had always "loved her men", that Lu indicated that she had better shut up because Ramona herself was out at the club late in St. Barth's late as well, and that Lu had some stories she could tell as well. Does that sound right? Lu seemed to indicate that Ramona had behaved less than honorably in St. Barth's. I know that whatever Lu said, she shut Ramona up fast.

 

My rule is that I don't care what is going on in the tabloids, once someone dares to bring shit up on camera, all bets are off regarding them and their privacy moving forward. I don't care if I like the gal or not. All the stuff about Lu and her "open marriage" was nothing but a rumor mentioned in the tabloids. I had never heard "boo" about any of it, just like I had never heard that Lu got drunk and fell off tables. I knew none of it until Ramona introduced those rumors on the show. I don't believe anyone else did that. She is the one who made sure it got talked about on the show and at the reunion.  IMO that brings her to Lisa V and Brandi Glanville status. They did the exact same thing to Kyle this year when they introduced rumors about Mauricio onto the show. The fact that these rumors were already out there does not, IMO give them the right to introduce them on camera, where they get focus from a much bigger audience.  For that reason, I won't give two shits or cry in any manner should Kyle "happen" to casually mention the recent lawsuit filed against Lisa and Ken and the resulting $100K in damages they have been ordered to pay. Lisa was the one who wanted to introduce topics on the show that others might not want to talk about, so hopefully someone will do the same to her. I feel exactly the same way about Ramona. She had no issues at all trying to embarrass another HW regarding their marriage, and it is past time that she learns what that feels like. Karma being a bitch and all of that. 

[kassa]

I was really disappointed by that rude old cowboy jerk who had the audacity to randomly grumble at them, "Get real, girls." WTF??

 

 

He looked about 30 to me.  It was rude, but I assume it was in connection with their swanning in like the local gentry deciding to slum with the village folk, camera crew in hand.  I don't think he was out of line assuming they were there to mock it, or that it would come off in a positive light.  

 

Did anyone catch what Heather said in the stands at the rodeo after Luanne and Kristen went off to the bathroom? She said something about how Kristen has a nanny sleep over and then doesn't get up with the kids. I don't even know what the significance of that is supposed to be and what import it had on what was going on between them.

 

She said Kristen gets up with the kids even when the nanny sleeps over, as an example of what  a control freak Kristen is.

 

I've really gone off Heather.  As unreasonable and annoying as Kristen is, and as low a blow as the Jonathan remark was, I think Kristen's hateful remarks are made in frustration and not giving a damn what comes out of her mouth when trying to win a point in an argument.  It's a lousy quality, to be sure.

 

Heather's digs, however, are delivered very intentionally and with clear malice.  She was coming after Kristen in a way I just don't understand (before the husband comment.  After the husband comment I understand anything she wanted to dish out).  At any point she could have said "You know, Kristen, I hate that we're fighting.  I was drunk and being silly and I'm sorry if I made you feel bad."  Likewise Kristen could have said "I was having a rough day and you're my closest friend here and I felt like you abandoned me and I'm sorry I lashed out."  Done and done. 

 

But they both dug in -- Kristen in wanting people to back her up that Heather was horrible, and Heather in wanting people to mock Kristen's bad behavior to avoid acknowledging her own.  

[ghoulina]

So is Sonja taking laxatives to lose weight (which she's done since the start of the series) and stay thin?  Must be if she's so dependent on pills to poop.  Bad news for your colon health, Sonja.

 

I took it more as she's older and constipated and likely takes fiber supplements or a stool softener to make it easier on her. But you could be right!

[movingtargetgal]

I have thought Heather is a nasty piece of work since last season.    At Aviva's party Ramona told Heather she did not want to argue and walked away from her.  Heather kept following Ramona around the party and getting in her face.  She would not let Ramona "escape".  Heather was gleeful and so proud of herself for provoking Ramona, who for once was trying to behave herself.   That incident told me all I needed to know about Heather.

[LoLo]

While I can see Kristen's side of her issue with Heather being bossy, the fact that she went on & on about it was enough to make me want to side with Heather. Kristen said the word bossy so many times, I wanted to shake her. I enjoy Heather & Carole's friendship. They seem to really care about & support each other. Unlike Ramona & Sonja who have a dysfunctional friendship. Ramona making fun of Heather's husband was not cool. At least Heather's husband hasn't been caught with a much younger woman. Ramona's marriage is FAR from perfect so she should not open her mouth about anyone else's. 

 

Where they stayed for the trip & for "glamping" was gorgeous. I don't see the reason for the complaints. I would love to stay there. Ramona was not born wealthy & she should remember where she came from & be gracious instead of a snob. I'm the type of person who goes over & above for my guests, I love baking, cooking & paying attention to details. But, I don't expect that from my friends. I have friends that I know I better eat before I go to their house because they don't ever have anything. It's their company I'm there for & they don't have to do things my way. Ramona was basically trying to insult Kristen & her hosting which irritated me. I love that LuAnn pointed out that what Ramona did was not really "work" she called someone, big deal. I am really liking LuAnn this season & she's not a main cast anymore.

[beaker73]

Ok - I haven't see the episode yet, but I read Sonja's blog.  Girl is craaazzy.  I'm totally going to sign up for her newsletter, tho.  I can't wait to see what kind of hot mess it is.

[jinjer]

You have to check out the rates of Paws Up that was posted above.  Wow.  To take a family will cost a few thousand per night.  

 

I initially disliked Heather last season namely because she took on Ramona without paying her dues.  She hadn't dealt with Ramona enough to earn the right to diss her. Lol.  But then she grew on me.  Especially after Sonja and her sexy j and the branding of the toaster oven.  But I am more and more getting over her.

 

I think she was totally smoking some of Carole's weed and that is why she was late to dinner.  

[RedheadZombie]

Wish we'd seen more of the rodeo.

 

Not me.  I hate that macho bullshit.

 

Call me a sap but seeing those calves thrown down and roped at the rodeo pissed me off. 

 

 Your not a sap.  You're an empathetic person who feels animals should be treated in a humane manner.  I personally don't enjoy watching animals being abused as entertainment.  There is a place for that cowboy stuff, and it's on the range while you're working.  When those calves are sent to slaughter, they have massive internal damage.  It really pissed me off that not one of the ladies had a problem with this.  They're supposed to be sophisticated New Yorkers.

 

I wonder if PETA will go after Kristen.

 

If Kristen was absolutely in the right, I could not back her up while she wore that fucking fur coat.  Even my mom snarked on that, and she had furs back in the day.

 

I'm with you! I hate rodeos after finding out what the do to those animals.

 

Exactly.  It's only a google search away to learn about rodeos.  People don't care because they love the whole cowboy myth.  I would think a real cowboy would find this kind of thing stupid.

 

I agree.  Jonathon has no dog in this race.  He should be left out of it.

Heather was right when she said, "You don't fuck with my family, don't fucking play that card bitch cuz it's not gonna be pretty."  But in her blog, she throws some pretty good shade at Ramona's marriage.  She's a hypocrite.

 

You either believe talking about someone's family is wrong or you don't.  Just because someone does it to you first, doesn't mean you should quit your own ethics

From Heather's blog:

Then set the example, Heather.

If someone trashes my home/car/marriage, it doesn't make it okay for me to trash something of theirs.  Because, ethics.

 

Heather wasn't the only hypocrite.  Carole pontificates about how wrong it is to judge someone's marriage, then she says people in glass houses should not throw stones.  She's being sneaky, but she's saying this - People (Kristen) in glass houses (with their own bad marriage) should not throw stones (accuse others of marriage problems).  Translation - Kristen, shame on you for judging someone's marriage.  People with bad marriages should not do that.  You didn't fool me Carole.  You just judged Kristen's marriage.  Also, Carole snarked about Reid in one of her blogs - looks like bringing the husband into it to me. 

 

Kristen just ruins every scene she's in. Even had to call and whine to her husband. Ugh!

 

How is it possible that Kristen didn't predict that Josh would take Heather's side?  I knew he would.

Edited July 2, 2014 by RedheadZombie

[zoeysmom]

I might be remembering wrong, but I thought that last year when the whole Pirate deal came up and Ramona said that she wasn't surprised because Lu had always "loved her men", that Lu indicated that she had better shut up because Ramona herself was out at the club late in St. Barth's late as well, and that Lu had some stories she could tell as well. Does that sound right? Lu seemed to indicate that Ramona had behaved less than honorably in St. Barth's. I know that whatever Lu said, she shut Ramona up fast.

 

My rule is that I don't care what is going on in the tabloids, once someone dares to bring shit up on camera, all bets are off regarding them and their privacy moving forward. I don't care if I like the gal or not. All the stuff about Lu and her "open marriage" was nothing but a rumor mentioned in the tabloids. I had never heard "boo" about any of it, just like I had never heard that Lu got drunk and fell off tables. I knew none of it until Ramona introduced those rumors on the show. I don't believe anyone else did that. She is the one who made sure it got talked about on the show and at the reunion.  IMO that brings her to Lisa V and Brandi Glanville status. They did the exact same thing to Kyle this year when they introduced rumors about Mauricio onto the show. The fact that these rumors were already out there does not, IMO give them the right to introduce them on camera, where they get focus from a much bigger audience.  For that reason, I won't give two shits or cry in any manner should Kyle "happen" to casually mention the recent lawsuit filed against Lisa and Ken and the resulting $100K in damages they have been ordered to pay. Lisa was the one who wanted to introduce topics on the show that others might not want to talk about, so hopefully someone will do the same to her. I feel exactly the same way about Ramona. She had no issues at all trying to embarrass another HW regarding their marriage, and it is past time that she learns what that feels like. Karma being a bitch and all of that. 

It sounds right-but it is LuAnn's bullshit way of deflecting gossip.  When you say-I could tell stories about your marriage or behavior you have in fact cast the aspersion.  LuAnn was in trouble with the others because she faked her way through the second season pretending to be happily married.  By the time the Reunion rolled around she was the discarded trophy wife.  NOw she has done it again-faked the Jacques relationship-Sonja called it last season and LuAnn decided to run with it anyway. The difference, to me, is you can't say Kristen, who I abhor, is an awful person for saying Jonathan is bossed around by Heather that is her behavior. Attacking Ramona about the philandering Mario is not Ramona's behavior.  Ramona's accusations were about LuAnn's behavior not the Count's.  LuAnn who wants Sonja to slap the "facialist" to sleep for comments about her and short Frenchman running about in LeCirque  should not be hurling insults at Ramona's marriage.

 

I get Ramona's marriage but by all accounts it is due to Mario cheating. Personally, if I were Mario and had to live with Ramona in the girly French Provencal bedroom I would have been out of there a long time ago.   If Ramona is stupid enough to take Mario back then that is her burden to carry.  Just as it is Jonathan's to be married to attention seeking competitive Heather.  Condemning another HW for her spousal choice seems to be a delicate subject.

[Midnight Cheese]

I don't understand.  Ramona can accuse LuAnn of poor behavior, but the counter-accusation that shuts her up using the same language is not about Ramona's behavior?  I find it as credible as anything that Ramona would cross lines herself - she is very susceptible to flattery. 

 

I don't think Sonja called anything last season.  I believe that the unsubstantiated rumors about Jacques/LuAnn are: open relationship, breakup possibly due to wanting to have a biological family, or not.  Sonja flipped out very rudely at Jacques and basically accused him of not loving LuAnn, 'not believing it' and dissolving into self-indulgent tears at a party, so that everyone could then comfort poor Sonja and note that she was upset about her own life.

 

I completely agree that Ramona has consistently dragged stuff on-camera, true or false - it's not like there's ever any proof - to hurt people on the show.  It is almost never relevant to whatever conflict Ramona's in at the moment.  The Ramona thread has rehashed what she said to Bethenny - it was somthing like 'Ramona, you use the media, too.'  'Bethenny, you have nothign but failed relationships in your wake and your relationship with Jason will fail, too.**'  Ramona simply will not treat others with the decency she is treated with.  I find it repulsive. 

 

** She was right.  But very cruel, and very extra.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Midnight Cheese

[politichick]

I found Kristen insufferable in last night's episode. She just went on and on and on and on. And am I wrong, but I thought that no one wanted to geo-cash and Carole and perhaps Luanne were the only ones who were actually gracious about it.

 

I also thought that Heather and Carole were joking when Carole said she was bossier. In addition, look at their relationship, my previouslytv friends. THAT is a friendship. I've always felt that while Heather and Kristen are friendly, Heather is better friends with Josh.

 

It was kind of mean for them to show Jonathan during that fight at the Hamptons party, but if he were truly bossed around by her he wouldn't have stepped up to her in the first place. I think they did it to show that she really can be aggressive but not to show him as a wimp.

 

Don't throw stones when you're living in a glass house, Singer. Maybe she's miffed she didn't get any of the caviar during the tasting or at the party. And in my book any husband who does what he did for the anniversary is a keeper. 

 

I wouldn't mind if Kristen left or was bumped to friend while Luanne is bumped up. She whines too fucking much and it's not pretteee!

[LovetoSnark]

Kristen just drives me nuts! Even though I know that she was treated poorly by Heather I cannot fathom any empathy for her. I know it is her constant whining. I even had to agree with Sonja's talking head when she was speaking about Kristen : "sometimes she makes up s----to get attention." Anything that involves Kristen seems to have drama surround it. I certainly hope this woman is acting as it would be so draining to live with the constant drama she exudes. What is Kristen's story-line anyway except drama?

[Grneyedldy]

I just read Sonja's blog. WTF? Did she also get into Carole's stash? Doesn't she know that all that shit can be verified?

[LovetoSnark]

I just read Sonja's blog. WTF? Did she also get into Carole's stash? Doesn't she know that all that shit can be verified?

I think Sonja had too much mountain air--- or she has been huffing on Aviva's inhalor!

[sasha206]

I find Kristin exhausting.  I can totally see why Heather gets irritated with her.  If you don't want to do a mud race, if you don't want to rock climb, don't do it.  No shame in it.  But if you decide to get out of your comfort zone and do it, don't be such a fucking baby and expect the world to stop for you and hold your hand all the way.  

 

And when she gets on something, she's like a pit bull who won't let go.  She was also out of line talking about Heather's relationship with her husband.  She essentially made Heather out to be an ogre who runs roughshod over everyone. I'm sure Kristen wouldn't appreciate it if Heather started inserting something about her relationship w/Josh into an argument about a personality clash. 

 

Does she even know how to argue effectively? Instead of calling someone an absolute -- bossy -- how about saying, "Heather, I am very annoyed that you took something I wanted us all to have fun with and shot it down..."  Criticize the action, not pick on what you perceive as a personality trait.

Edited July 3, 2014 by sasha206

[Talented Tenth]

I agree.  Jonathon has no dog in this race.  He should be left out of it.

Heather was right when she said, "You don't fuck with my family, don't fucking play that card bitch cuz it's not gonna be pretty."  But in her blog, she throws some pretty good shade at Ramona's marriage.  She's a hypocrite.

 

You either believe talking about someone's family is wrong or you don't.  Just because someone does it to you first, doesn't mean you should quit your own ethics

From Heather's blog:

Then set the example, Heather.

If someone trashes my home/car/marriage, it doesn't make it okay for me to trash something of theirs.  Because, ethics.

I don't think that's hypocrisy.  Someone may not believe in physically fighting, but if that person is punched and they act in self defense, that's not hypocrisy.  If no one talked about Heather's marriage, she wouldn't have talked about theirs.