S01.E17: Shattered Dreams

[Drogo]

Jenny hears shocking news about Sumit; Laura is torn between Liam and Aladin; Corey returns to Evelin in Ecuador; Paul's mother arrives in Brazil; Tiffany worries about giving birth in South Africa. 

Airs 9/16/19.

[Armchair Critic]

TLC you had one job and you didn't get the big confrontation with Sumit's family? You suck!

If Jenny stayed with Sumit after all this I really have no sympathy for her. Actually I ran out of sympathy for her a few episodes ago. 

I think she had known for awhile Sumit was married but went along with it because he told her he was forced into it and didn't love his wife. I also found it suspicious that her daughter wasn't more shocked when Jenny told her.

[hisbunkie]

Paul’s Mother is so sweet and gracious and kind.  Karini is also sweet and hospitable and generous with her newborn. This is how it’s done ladies!  

3 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

TLC you had one job and you didn't get the big confrontation with Sumit's family? You suck!

If Jenny stayed with Sumit after all this I really have no sympathy for her. Actually I ran out of sympathy for her a few episodes ago. 

There is no way his family would ever cooperate and sign a release. 

[sainte-chapelle]

Jenny is lucky she didn't get injured or dragged off to never be seen again.

[Armchair Critic]

2 minutes ago, hisbunkie said:

There is no way his family would ever cooperate and sign a release.

Don't they know we need our entertainment! I really want to see what his wife looks like but I understand how they wouldn't want it filmed, he is humiliating his wife and family.

[Brooklynista]

TLC expects me to believe there was no available Bollywood camera crew that could be contracted to run over to Jenny's apartment to catch this high drama? Bullshit on this plot twist.

[Adeejay]

The fact that Jenny romanticized the ordeal, "they dragged him out of my arms", led me to  believe that she knew Sumit is a married man.  Most women would have been on the first thing smoking that was heading to the U.S. and yet, days later she is still there.  Based on her account, I think she should thank her lucky stars that they didn't beat her up. 

[iwasish]

7 minutes ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Jenny is lucky she didn't get injured or dragged off to never be seen again.

That would have been a blow to all of us!!

[sainte-chapelle]

Holy shit we need a chat for this dog show...these people are crazier than Jenny. I call shenanigans, the altar looked barely touched and there were no signs of the fight Jenny mentioned.

Edited September 17, 2019 by sainte-chapelle

[Armchair Critic]

2 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

The fact that Jenny romanticized the ordeal, "they dragged him out of my arms", led me to  believe that she knew Sumit is a married man. 

My first instinct would be anger and I would probably say "good I hope he gets locked up that lying bastard!"

[Cherrio]

Depending on what kinds of punishment are intended for Sumit, TLC will have a field day.

Since they seemed obsessed with "exotic" (gross) foods , Aladin might cancel the goat and Sumit will end up on the big skewer.

Yes, Laura my love, chubby Indian men with bad teeth are a delicacy here !

[Honey]

Is there no shampoo in India? Jenny makes Zied's hair look squeaky clean!  Man, what must her pillow look like?

[sainte-chapelle]

1 minute ago, Cherrio said:

Depending on what kinds of punishment are intended for Sumit, TLC will have a field day.

Since they seemed obsessed with "exotic" (gross) foods , Aladin might cancel the goat and Sumit will end up on the big skewer.

Yes, Laura my love, chubby Indian men with bad teeth are a delicacy here !

Yesss...so beautiful. I love Sumit cooking so much baby.

[iwasish]

8 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

TLC expects me to believe there was no available Bollywood camera crew that could be contracted to run over to Jenny's apartment to catch this high drama? Bullshit on this plot twist.

There was no one outside the apartment building with cellphone?.... this huge crowd storms into the place and man handled poor Sumit out and whisked him away and no one films it!!!  What kind of uncivilized place is this? Stuff way less interesting is posted daily on the internet. I feel cheated. 

[Armchair Critic]

2 minutes ago, Honey said:

Is there no shampoo in India? Jenny makes Zied's hair look squeaky clean!  Man, what must her pillow look like?

Was she waiting for Sumit to come back to wash her hair? Her hair in that bun looked filthy.

[Armchair Critic]

4 minutes ago, iwasish said:

There was no one outside the apartment building with cellphone?

It would have been better than that family brawl at Disneyland!

[Frozendiva]

Sumit will be all snap, crackle and pop on the wedding spit.

No one heard any of this giant altercation? Why would the father in law show up? No photos of the wife, no nothing? Did any of this really happen?

I'd book the first flight home or to London or whatever I could get. Enough is enough with such a creep. Block the phone, cut off contact. Let Sumit fly to California to beg forgiveness.

Do wonder how much she really knew but did not let on.

Nice of Pole's mom to visit him and Karine. He actually seemed a bit better this episode. And Karine did not care if the mother in law held the baby.

Corey, stay home and don't go back to Evelin. Arrange to sell the bar or whatever you own with her, give her a share if you wish, and find someone else.

Tiffany, why did you get preggers so soon after you got married, or a few days before you got married? Your husband does not have a decent paying job, is not likely to get one within a few months, doesn't really have a way to pay for a private hospital for the birth. What were you thinking?

Liam, whether you like it or not, you suck it up and you make an appearance at your mother's wedding party. The family is watching you and it is rude to not show up. You do not have to like your mother's choices - they are hers to make even though you know things will go badly. You be kind, loving, and gracious, and get the broom and dustpan ready to clean up her mess. Aladin has been nice to you, wants to get to know you.

[iwasish]

6 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

My first instinct would be anger and I would probably say "good I hope he gets locked up that lying bastard!"

She should have walked up to him and kicked him in the balls. 

I can just see the little creep with his tiny fists all balled up, preparing to take on all of them. 

Didnt she say he declared his love for her as he was being hauled away?  So romantic,,, like Stanley Kowalski screaming “STELLA” “STELLA”!!!!!

[Armchair Critic]

2 minutes ago, iwasish said:

Didnt she say he declared his love for her as he was being hauled away?  So romantic,,, like Stanley Kowalski screaming “STELLA” “STELLA”!!!!!

LMAO! I am beginning to think Jenny is a nutcase living in some romance novel instead of reality.

[Gobi]

2 minutes ago, iwasish said:

She should have walked up to him and kicked him in the balls. 

I can just see the little creep with his tiny fists all balled up, preparing to take on all of them. 

Didnt she say he declared his love for her as he was being hauled away?  So romantic,,, like Stanley Kowalski screaming “STELLA” “STELLA”!!!!!

KHAN!!!!!!!!

[Armchair Critic]

Just now, Gobi said:

KHAN!!!!!!!!

[Frozendiva]

Indiana Jones/Temple of Doom sidekick was Short Round.

[iwasish]

3 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Sumit will be all snap, crackle and pop on the wedding spit.

No one heard any of this giant altercation? Why would the father in law show up? No photos of the wife, no nothing? Did any of this really happen?

I'd book the first flight home or to London or whatever I could get. Enough is enough with such a creep. Block the phone, cut off contact. Let Sumit fly to California to beg forgiveness.

Do wonder how much she really knew but did not let on.

Nice of Pole's mom to visit him and Karine. He actually seemed a bit better this episode. And Karine did not care if the mother in law held the baby.

Corey, stay home and don't go back to Evelin. Arrange to sell the bar or whatever you own with her, give her a share if you wish, and find someone else.

Tiffany, why did you get preggers so soon after you got married, or a few days before you got married? Your husband does not have a decent paying job, is not likely to get one within a few months, doesn't really have a way to pay for a private hospital for the birth. What were you thinking?

Liam, whether you like it or not, you suck it up and you make an appearance at your mother's wedding party. The family is watching you and it is rude to not show up. You do not have to like your mother's choices - they are hers to make even though you know things will go badly. You be kind, loving, and gracious, and get the broom and dustpan ready to clean up her mess. Aladin has been nice to you, wants to get to know you.

Who’s going to pay for her delivery in the US? Is She going to get charity care in a nice clean facility with plenty of drugs and nurses to help her and then scoot back to SA. She better think too about pediatric care for the baby and what if Daniel should get ill or injured. 

[mamadrama]

As bad as it sounds, I wanted to believe that Jenny was blind to all of this and didn't know that Sumit was married, but after watching the episode I believe she did know. I think the tears and upset were NOT because she found out that he was married but from embarrassment for it all coming down so publicly. I believe her tears were real, I just don't think they were tears of surprise. 

[iwasish]

5 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

LMAO! I am beginning to think Jenny is a nutcase living in some romance novel instead of reality.

She probably thinks of herself as an “ older” Meg Ryan. 

[Cherrio]

Sumit will escape India and go to California to the love of his life.

He has no teeth now (not such a bad thing) lots of scars.

He is so happy to be free of his forced upon wife and he almost gallops to Jenny's door.

Ding Dong, JENNY !! I AM HERE MY LOVE !

Jesse Meester opens the door and says "yoooou ruuuuuin everything !

[CattyK]

Sumit is the biggest wuss in the world.  His parents "put him into" a marriage?  He's an adult for pete's sake!   Jenny, Jenny, I hope you end up happy, because you've sure created a sh**show right now.  

Karine cleaned up pretty good.  Paul and  his mom look so much alike.

 Laura is a manipulative bitch.  She harassed Liam to come to the wedding, knowing he didn't want to be there.  now of course he's not all sweetness and light and she's so upset because she wanted someone to "speak English with" at the party.  Then instead of telling Aladin that Liam is jet lagged, she tells him what Liam said when she kept pushing him to come to the party.  THEN complains that she feels like she's in a tug of war.  Leave your poor kid alone, go have fun with your husband.    

[mamadrama]

11 hours ago, Adeejay said:

The fact that Jenny romanticized the ordeal, "they dragged him out of my arms", led me to  believe that she knew Sumit is a married man.  Most women would have been on the first thing smoking that was heading to the U.S. and yet, days later she is still there.  Based on her account, I think she should thank her lucky stars that they didn't beat her up. 

From the very beginning it's felt like Jenny was approaching this like a lovesick teen. Believing that a male model less than half her age would just randomly hit her up, calling him a "player", all the heart emjois and bullshit through the messenger and FB pages, weeping with joy when her visa arrived, etc. I am starting to think that she has some kind of developmental delay or something. IF all this is real (and I'm about 50/50 on it) then I really don't think Jenny should be out anywhere on her own. It does not seem like she can make mature, adult decisions. She's lucky she didn't get scammed into going somewhere, handing over all her money, and then killed. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by mamadrama

[mamadrama]

Okay, here's what I think happened:

I think Jenny knew he was married but TLC did not. I believe she and Sumit (known henceforth as "Jenmit") were hiding that bit of information from them. Maybe it was for the money or maybe they just wanted to be on TV. Or maybe it was for some other perks. Who knows. At some point I think producers found out (and that's when they forced Sumit to tell them in the talking head we saw last week), and it pissed them off for being played by Jenmit. They may have even threatened a lawsuit or something. The crew packed up and flew back to the USA and it was at that point that Jenmit devised this whole "fight" as a storyline. Naturally, it didn't happen until after the crew left and nothing was caught on camera...They may have done it for sympathy or as a way to remain on the show. 

Producers seemed pretty put out and upset to learn that Mollie and Luis were already married. They may have a clause in the contract now about such things. While producers love surprises kept from the audience, they're probably not big on surprises kept from THEM. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by mamadrama

[Iamthatmom]

30 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

From the very beginning it's felt like Jenny was approaching this like a lovesick teen. Believing that a male model more than half her age would just randomly hit her up, calling him a "player", all the heart emjois and bullshit through the messenger and FB pages, weeping with joy when her visa arrived, etc. I am starting to think that she has some kind of developmental delay or something. IF all this is real (and I'm about 50/50 on it) then I really don't think Jenny should be out anywhere on her own. It does not seem like she can make mature, adult decisions. She's lucky she didn't get scammed into going somewhere, handing over all her money, and then killed. 

This is pretty much what I keep going back to...I don’t think she is bright enough to pull off this kind of sham. She seems very simple to me.

[mamadrama]

3 minutes ago, Iamthatmom said:

This is pretty much what I keep going back to...I don’t think she is bright enough to pull off this kind of sham. She seems very simple to me.

And if you look at her FB correspondence with "Michael Jones" (stuff that goes back to 2014 so long before the show) it's evident even back then that her words and stuff don't line up with someone her age-or with someone who has any experience at all with men. I know plenty of older women who are childlike and innocent and even naive, but Jenny comes across as something a little extra. 

[DiamondGirl]

Jenny, go home and stop the caterwauling.  You have no business in India now; let the dude deal with his own life.

Tiffany needs to shut her hole (not that one, too late) about the conditions in SA for we-have-no-money birth.  What did she expect?  Forget the private hospital because you’re going to need the refrigerator with a growing family.

Liam is a dick.  If he was going to act like this, he should have stayed home.

[Christina]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

She's lucky she didn't get scammed into going somewhere, handing over all her money, and then killed. 

The season is not over yet. I have faith that she can behave even more foolishly than she has so far. 

Come on Janet, earn your pay.!

💰

[Delete]

Agree with others who say Jenny knew Submit was married. She wanted to play house, and he probably made promises he couldn't keep. Did he actually think he'd flee the wrath of two Indian families?  Dumb, and Dumber. 

Tiffany's Yelp ad for a South African hospital: "South Africa is Nothing like the US,  and because my husband Ronald is an addict, I'm stuck here, and really have no choice but drop this baby on an unclean bloody floor in a public hospital while wearing a hospital gown without cold shoulders."  

It looks like Pole and Karine cleaned up the place for Mother's visit. It must be hot as balls in there. Mother was drenched, and poor Pierre got  airplane smelling grandma sweating all over his sweet little head. That said, it was a cute moment. 

Liam needs to get dislodged from his mother's nipple, and get on with his own life. Get counselling if he has trouble letting go. And If Laura comes crawling back tell her that she made her bed, and now she has to lie in it. (a fav saying from my dear dad) 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Barbara Please

[spacenutty]

Am I the only one who would be calling the US embassy to get someone in India who could help me right away with Indian laws & law enforcement before calling TV producers? Yeah, I’m not buying Jenny’s story.

[talons]

I feel for Jenny- but she is very naive and lacks judgement.  The one who I get crazy insane about is Deavan.  She says "i gave up everything for someone I know very little about"---HMMM- and she has a baby with the guy.  Now is not the time to be worried about that- she should have never taken her underwear off and got under the sheets with this guy if she didn't know anything about him.  Of course she already has driscilla from another guy she is in no relationship with.  

Leam is a joke- what a jackass.  Arrogant ass hole.  He is the kind of guy no one likes-.  but tolerates.  

This show is the worst--terrible editing- terrible story telling--the stories are dragged out for weeks- and each episode has so many commercials and really is only trying to extend everyone watching.  

TLC--I'm done.  YOur show sucks.  You should have had Sumits parents and that drama on the show- not ronalds wife complaining about his criminal past---again ---its too late to be complaining about that.  Or devan complaining about jihoon- too late =get your tubes tied- you obviously have issues with keeping your legs closed. 

[MajorNelson]

2 or 2.5 years ago, Sumit was married.  Not sure of the timing, but that would have to be after when (whenever) Jenny stayed with Sumit's parents.  As to some conspiracy, I'm not so sure Jenny could carry off knowing he's married and yet playing the story out that he isn't

So we have Sumit with lots of lies which he himself says ("so many lies").  The catfisher's caught up in his web of lies.  And I don't believe he wants to be with Jenny and not his arranged wife.

Jenny's daughter continues to give good advice.

[moonbunnychan]

Is anyone more versed in Indian law?  I was googling it and all I could find about adultery laws was a man sleeping with a married woman, not the other way around, and that was overturned last year.  What sort of actual trouble is Sumit in?  Maybe some sort of legally binding contract signed at the arranged marriage?  As I understand it, while arranged marriages happen frequently in India, if your parents arrange it you aren't under any legal obligation to carry through with it, so he could have said no.  If Jenny truly didn't know...why on Earth would she still be considering staying with somebody who has done absolutely nothing but lie to her from day one.

Tiffany doesn't seem to have quite grasped yet how much South Africa has two very different societies.  The very privileged white population, which does live largely like we do in the US, aside from being behind electric fences, and the largely impoverished basically third world existence most of the black population has.  The public hospitals are for the impoverished with nowhere else to go.

Liam....why did he even come.  Just to start trouble?  I get that he's probably jet lagged and tired but at least put in an hour or so and politely excuse yourself.  If you didn't want to go that badly...he should have stuck to it and NOT FLOWN THERE.

Corey how obvious does it need to be that Evelyn doesn't love you?  Does she need to do it in skywriting over the beach by her bar? 

[MajorNelson]

Liam - I had defended him and his view of his Mom's marriage, back when he was in Florida.  But then I was disappointed that the producer's talked/paid him into going to Tunisia.  But regardless of his stance on the marriage and view of Aladin or his mother's choices, he really really should have gone to the wedding night parties.  At least to observe from the fringes, or to try the local grog.  Maybe talk to a couple of people; it wouldn't kill him.

Edited September 17, 2019 by MajorNelson

[Gigglepuff]

I feel bad for poor Pierre-e, that kid sure has the deck stacked against him. Sorry to be a downer, but I see nothing but a life of poverty and uncertainty in his future. His father is clearly unstable and unless Karine can get her act together, she and Pierre's lives will be bleak. Paul literally can't even shovel cow patties for a living and what skills does Karine have? I don't think she's dumb, but she'll have no emotional or financial support from Pole and it'll be hard for her to get ahead. These two had no business, (like so many of the other couples on this show) pro-creating. I hate seeing innocent children suffer. 

Speaking of suffering, I got the vibe from Ronald that he feels that he's "above" a public hospital. Like, really, dude? He was so insulting towards it, that I was getting seriously angry. I know nothing about hospitals in SA, but I'm assuming the public ones are for the "poors" and are severely underfunded. I hated how arrogant he was. Tiff can shove it too. She's no better than any of the women giving birth there. In fact, I'm willing to bet that none of the other women there flew half-way around the world to get knocked up by a criminal addict who stole from his mother, so she should lose the attitude. 

Not only that, but why the hell should S.A. pay for her to drop her kid on the public's dime? I'm 99.9% sure that no travel health insurance covers pregnancy or giving birth (check out all the stories of dumb-dumbs who don't read the fine print on their insurance documents and end up with hefty bills from foreign hospitals along with their little miracle), and I'm pretty sure that since she's not a citizen of S.A. she's not entitled to free health care there.  

[HaaCHOO]

22 minutes ago, talons said:

TLC--I'm done.  YOur show sucks.  You should have had Sumits parents and that drama on the show-

Production was not in India when it happened.  Jenny called them in a panic and they got there as quickly as possible--but missed the drama.

5 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Liam - I had defended him and his view of his Mom's marriage, back when he was in Florida.  But then I was disappointed that the producer's talked/paid him into going to Tunisia.  But regardless of his stance on the marriage and view of Aladin or his mother;s choices, he really really should have gone to the wedding night parties.  At least to observe from the fringes, or to try the local grog.  Maybe talk to a couple of people; it wouldn't kill him.

For someone who seems so socially awkward (does he have friends?), he sure is Man of the House and Mr. I Make the Rules.  Did his mother NEVER discuss other cultures with him?  He'll be lucky if he doesn't get beat up while he's there (she should have discussed THAT too).  And what is so great about him anyway?

Edited September 17, 2019 by HaaCHOO

[HaaCHOO]

23 minutes ago, spacenutty said:

Am I the only one who would be calling the US embassy to get someone in India who could help me right away with Indian laws & law enforcement before calling TV producers? Yeah, I’m not buying Jenny’s story.

Remember, there's that BIG TLC paycheck!  Her contract might require her to call Production first.  Hopefully, they'll help her get back and make sure they film any and all drama.

3 hours ago, hisbunkie said:

Paul’s Mother is so sweet and gracious and kind.

                 That is NOT the mother we met in previous seasons.

3 hours ago, hisbunkie said:

There is no way his family would ever cooperate and sign a release. 

Yes, this too!

[Hellohappylife]

Tiffany- is such an idiot. She just constantly talks shit about EVERY SINGLE THING in SA.... it’s probably not a wise choice to act like such a snob to the staff that could possibly end up delivering your “he will never leave me with the baby I trapped him with” child.....women have been giving birth since the beginning of time with no help. Calm down. You special snowflake. That hospital isn’t ideal for most people sure,but you get what you pay for. So.... stop bitching. 

Paul/karine-  it was Sad how poles mom said it would probably be the only time she gets to hold that baby again.  Karine could careless about meeting her mother in law. Which seemed kinda odd,but than again she’s married to pole. 

Jenni/Summit- So,like last week we basically learned very little about the situation. TLC will milk this for years. 

Laura- Her son is a douche,that seems to have traveled all the way there for nothing just to stay in a hotel room? It’s starting to seem like it’s aladin’s wedding because, Laura hasn’t shown an ounce of effort or excitement at all! 

Corey- Ugh I know you’re an adult but dude you just lost your dad, your mother lost her husband. Worry about them first. Evelin told your ass 3 episodes ago that she didn’t want to be married,so why the hell are you discussing proposal plans with your grieving mother? 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Hellohappylife

[Mu Shu]

I would have liked to have seen the kerfluffle. But Jenny’s blubbering was really first rate! “they pulled him out of my arms!”. She really thinks this embarrassment is some Romeo and Juliet shit.

Im not buying Jihoon as a criminal. He made a mistake and paid for it. Speaking of criminals, Ronald was very weird. Like this anger just under the surface he was only just containing. 

Lauras derpy looking son is a rude asshole. Aladin is being friendly and hospitable. He could just have stuck to his guns and refused to come, but decided to make an ass of himself on TV. Why is he trying to talk her out of marrying him? They already got married, doofus.

Kreeny looks much better. Pregnancy did not become her at all. 

[nutella fitzgerald]

If Sumit’s been married for two years, then this really puts a new spin on the scene where he told his friends about his plan to marry “that Jenny?!” - was the entire conversation scripted?

Speaking of That Jenny, she can miss me with her wailing and rending of garments over Father-in-Law Sumit’s brilliant disguise of a motorcycle helmet making it possible for him to carry out the dastardly plan of, well, following Sumit to his love nest. I hope Wife Sumit had friends to cocoon her with takeout and wine while her husband’s mom beat his ass with a flip-flop.

[LennieBriscoe]

If Jenny wasn't crying genuine tears,  then she can teach professional actresses how to cry on cue. 

Liam is fugly,  and I resented his being on my TV screen. 

I think Aladin is very handsome,  so I understand neither his attraction to Laura nor her own apparent lack of a mirror. 

Kareeeny had a first-rate make-up artist for meeting Mother Pole.  

Edited September 17, 2019 by LennieBriscoe

[Chippings]

Not the most compelling story of this episode, but I wondered as I was watching Tiffany and Ronald -- does no one on this show ever carry a conversation to its logical conclusion?  In this case ..  they seem to have decided they'd rather have the baby born at a private hospital. Ronald:  "I'll see that there is enough money." Tiffany:  (Silence.  Scowls.)   Wouldn't the next thing be to say "How do you propose to do that?  What is your plan?  Can you afford it with what you make at the rehab centre?  Can you make some extra money delivering packages for Amazon?  Be specific."

Just a scowl and silence.   Off the top of my head I also remember Jihoon saying "Don't worry .."  And Deaven just looked vague..   Jenny could have asked Sumit a few more questions too.  The Tiffany / Ronald caught my attention this time.

[Christina]

UPCOMING FRAUDING ALERT!!

I'm calling it now so when it happens I can proclaim my psychic abilities for announcing the obvious before it happens.

Since I was watching football when this was on, I went back and rewatched the part I missed, which was Tiffany at the hospital, along with Jenny's caterwauling of course. At one point, the hospital rep tells Tiffany that Ronald would not be able to be with her when she delivers because there isn't enough room. Okay, that may be true, but I'm calling future FRAUDING!

We now have an excuse for Tiffany to return to the US and deliver her baby with Ronald watching on video like with Deavan/Jihoon. Ronald is not going to be able to "make sure the funds are available" by any legal means so she'll let the American taxpayers pay for her bundle of joy while Ronald watches on a video stream. 

At least if that happens, (I mean WHEN since I'm psychic), Daniel will get to return to the US for a bit, see his friends and family, and maybe, Tiffany will end up enrolling him back in school here for some other reason yet to be disclosed. I truly dislike her and Ronald and both of their behaviors. 

14 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Im not buying Jihoon as a criminal. He made a mistake and paid for it. Speaking of criminals, Ronald was very weird. Like this anger just under the surface he was only just containing. 

Ronald comes across to me as someone who is white-knuckling his addictions instead of actually treating them. In the scene of that car trip to get a part for the car he looked triggered and minutes away from using. He is probably a gambling addict, too, but he really comes across as a drug addict to me. 

Why actually go to rehab when you can go to a Wellness Center? Something about that has always come across as not legitimate to me, but I can't actually say why. It's like he's not being honest about his issues or something. I'm sure the baby will fix all their issues right up!

32 minutes ago, Hellohappylife said:

Paul/karine-  it was Sad how poles mom said it would probably be the only time she gets to hold that baby again.  Karine could careless about meeting her mother in law. Which seemed kinda odd,but than again she’s married to pole.  

Apparently, there were some scenes cut for time that may be in the More to Love episodes, but it sounds like Karine's really rough labor continued with a rougher than typical postpartum. Her mom and Pole actually tried to get along and help Karine out, and I suspect we are going to learn that she had postpartum depression that was more than the typical exhaustion from childbirth. 

I don't care for Karine but she was still a better host to her MIL than Pao and I think she was really struggling there for a bit making her come across as more odd than normal.

Anyway, I'm sure Pierre is going to fix all their problems, you know, like baby's do.

[LennieBriscoe]

6 minutes ago, Chippings said:

Not the most compelling story of this episode, but I wondered as I was watching Tiffany and Ronald -- does no one on this show ever carry a conversation to its logical conclusion?  In this case ..  they seem to have decided they'd rather have the baby born at a private hospital. Ronald:  "I'll see that there is enough money." Tiffany:  (Silence.  Scowls.)   Wouldn't the next thing be to say "How do you propose to do that?  What is your plan?  Can you afford it with what you make at the rehab centre?  Can you make some extra money delivering packages for Amazon?  Be specific."

Just a scowl and silence.   Off the top of my head I also remember Jihoon saying "Don't worry .."  And Deaven just looked vague..   Jenny could have asked Sumit a few more questions too.  The Tiffany / Ronald caught my attention this time.

Because soap operas gotta soap!

[Christina]

7 minutes ago, Chippings said:

Not the most compelling story of this episode, but I wondered as I was watching Tiffany and Ronald -- does no one on this show ever carry a conversation to its logical conclusion?  In this case ..  they seem to have decided they'd rather have the baby born at a private hospital. Ronald:  "I'll see that there is enough money." Tiffany:  (Silence.  Scowls.)   Wouldn't the next thing be to say "How do you propose to do that?  What is your plan?  Can you afford it with what you make at the rehab centre?  Can you make some extra money delivering packages for Amazon?  Be specific."

The specific is selling drugs or whatever stolen items he obtains, though, and she can't claim ignorance if it's on film.