S04.E11: Monte Car-loco

[langford peel]

Actions trump words. It is certainly wrong to call a coworker a prostitute because we know no money has changed hands. I think he would have been within his rights to call out their behavior. Remember their raunchy sex play has bled into their job as they are licking each other in the galley where a passing client could of see them. Their drunken behavior led to them trashing the bar in the lounge. It seems to be spiraling and Joao is not wrong to call them out.

Joao also has to man up and call out Jack and especially Travis on their behavior directly and threaten their jobs. The others can’t do it for various reasons. I noticed several scenes where Travis was taunting Colin. In this episode there was a very tense exchange where a tight lipped Colin was disagreeing with Travis in his ridiculous take on the discussion between Joao and Aesha. I think Colin is physically afraid of Travis because he is a violent and unpredictable drunk.

I am very impressed with Joao surviving an attack by a Rhino. I know it happened to me. Meghan McCain once yelled at me in an airport.

Edited August 14, 2019 by langford peel

[luvthepros]

On 8/13/2019 at 11:20 AM, Special K said:

I don't understand Cap Sandy's reasoning that Anastasia will get better with less help.  Unless production made her do it...

Agree. I'm scratching my head on that one too.

[njbchlover]

4 hours ago, luvthepros said:

I don't like Aesha at all, right down to her grating voice and annoying as hell voice inflections. What is there to like with this woman?

I think, when Aesha isn't being vulgar or sucking/licking face with Jack, she can be very sweet.  She seems to genuinely care for people, and that shows in how she treats the guests and other crew members.  Again, that is when she is not being juvenile or vulgar, which isn't very often.  

I feel bad for what she went through, but I also don't have a lot of respect for someone who acts/talks like a 6th grade boy in the school yard - male or female.

I do agree, however, that her voice is completely grating and annoying!  

Edited August 14, 2019 by njbchlover

[Red Bridey]

So here's what I think is going to happen from the "Next time on Below Deck Med":  Trevor hits someone.  He's the "redundant" person Captain Sandy fires. Anastasia can't handle the stress and they find another chef.  June goes on deck crew, Ana goes back to 3rd stew.  Everyone lives happily ever after.  The End.

[Passing Strange]

12 hours ago, dosodog said:

What if I'm Colin?  I'm not a part of the behavior, but I'm on a work paid for fun day.  And the co workers actions, while not directed at me, are being done in front of me. 

If it bothers a co worker, are there repercussions?   

I'm asking for knowledge. Not to be argumentative!

If it bothers a co-worker there should be repercussions, but you'd go to HR or its equivalent, not the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The reason I posted was because people are using terms that apply to workplace discrimination and that's not what Aesha is doing. As we've seen recently sexual harassment in the workplace has been, and continues to be, pervasive and very damaging. That's why I think we need to be accurate when we talk about this stuff.

9 hours ago, smores said:

Aesha's behavior could definitely create a hostile work environment.  It wouldn't be a case of sexual harassment if Colin complained about it, for example, as he wasn't the target of the behavior, however, if it makes him uncomfortable it's a hostile work environment and Aesha would most definitely be in trouble for it. 

4 hours ago, spunky said:

Her behavior still creates a hostile work environment if she’s making at least one person feel uncomfortable, which she was. 

If what folks are meaning is that Aesha's behavior makes it hard for some people to work on the ship, that's probably true. Using terms like "hostile work environment" and "sexual harassment" gets into the arena of discrimination and that's not what's happening here.

Edited August 14, 2019 by Passing Strange
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[luvthepros]

On 8/13/2019 at 12:13 PM, Thisgirllovespasta said:

But if they are having an issue with heat.... why doesn't a super yacht invest in some covers?

There are much nicer cloches for an upscale presentation.........

Edited August 14, 2019 by luvthepros

[luvthepros]

On 8/13/2019 at 12:13 PM, Thisgirllovespasta said:

When I make home made fries, (I bake them only because I try and be somewhat healthy)... I mix with a little flour and a little olive oil and they turn out crispy.  but they take a while in the oven....

I would have made the fries first, kept them warm in the oven and then made the burgers...

That's my $.02 😃

But if they are having an issue with heat.... why doesn't a super yacht invest in some covers?

I also suggested covers in last episode's thread. Now that I think about it though......no other chef has ever had food sent back because it was not hot. There is more to the problem than just the time it takes to transport the food from the galley to the dining table.

[Special K]

10 minutes ago, luvthepros said:

I also suggested covers in last episode's thread. Now that I think about it though......no other chef has ever had food sent back because it was not hot. There is more to the problem than just the time it takes to transport the food from the galley to the dining table.

I think it's her plating -- she seems to do it in stages.  So, like, she plates the rice and it sits there on the plate getting cold while she finishes the meat/fish.  I also think when she is resting the meat, it's someplace where it can cool off.   If she doesn't have heat lamps or help plating, she needs to do it strategically and fast.  She also shouldn't be plating until there are stews/deckhands right there, ready to take the plates up.  Seems like she sometimes plates and then calls for people to bring the food up.  Timing is everything.

Being a chef is more than just cooking well, right?  🙂

ETA:  I don't understand why the stews can't help her plate...

Edited August 14, 2019 by Special K

[luvthepros]

On 8/13/2019 at 12:16 PM, bosawks said:

The fact that Travis seems so over everything at the ripe old age of 26 makes me kind of sad.

I don't like Travis ever since he came down so hard on Mila when she made it known she did not want to see PDA with two men. That is her right to make that statement as it is just as much as someone else's right to disagree with her.

Having said that, Travis came down on her so badly, IIRC, he told her she was "dead" to him. I was absolutely appalled at Travis for being so closed minded as not to accept someone else's POV. His POV is not the agreed upon POV of everyone. Travis needs to be accepting of other people's feelings and understand anyone has a right to discuss their feelings and beliefs. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and their own feelings. Whether you agree or disagree, that person should not be persecuted for their beliefs and statements as such.

I'm thinking maybe Travis was very drunk when he came down on Mila but I don't exactly remember if he made those statements before or after they all went out for the evening. I just recall I was aghast at Travis' attitude and the way he treated Mila.

[luvthepros]

On 8/13/2019 at 12:48 PM, Inga said:

 We already know that their is eventually an extra person because we have seen previews of Sandy saying “you have become obsolete” to someone, we just don’t know who yet.

I think the word Capt. Sandy uses is "redundant".

[blixie]

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She also shouldn't be plating until there are stews/deckhands right there,

Yeah it's for sure her plating, but she plates based on how she's planned her timing cooking. They have repeatedly shown her plating, in stages and only then calling for Hannah/servers. Assuming of course these complaints are good faith rather than just a story line to get Ben back. 

Also not to give her another excuse but the galley on the Sirocco looks especially shitty (small) compared with other boats on both shows.

Edited August 14, 2019 by blixie

[Inga]

48 minutes ago, luvthepros said:

I think the word Capt. Sandy uses is "redundant".

Yes! Redundant! I don’t know how i got obsolete. Thank u

2 hours ago, Red Bridey said:

So here's what I think is going to happen from the "Next time on Below Deck Med":  Trevor hits someone.  He's the "redundant" person Captain Sandy fires. Anastasia can't handle the stress and they find another chef.  June goes on deck crew, Ana goes back to 3rd stew.  Everyone lives happily ever after.  The End.

Totally, but then Colin also quits

Edited August 14, 2019 by Inga
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[Lamima]

I think it's June who gets canned after a new chef comes on and Ana goes back to being 3rd stew. And then Colin quits. And we'll be blessed with Trevor for the duration of the season. Unless when Colin goes to quit Sandy realizes how bad it is for him to deal with the Trevor BS and she fires Trevor to keep Colin. Oh, I so hope. Colin is the good guy. I want the good guy to win.

[psychoticstate]

I was just in Monaco and Monte Carlo back in May and I was horrified by the behavior exhibited by Aesha, Jack, and Travis.  I mean, it's tacky anywhere but there's just a different level in Monaco/Monte Carlo.  

Travis clearly has a drinking problem, between passing at in a public place at 4 pm to looking a decade older than his 26 years.  Get your shit together, bro.  

If Joao and Hannah hook up, after puking repeatedly, I will be forced to quit this show.  OF COURSE Hannah assumes that Joao has a crush on her.  Heaven forbid she goes the 6 weeks of this charter season without someone crushing on her and/or hooking up.   Hannah can be such a gross person.  

Ana really needs to quit making excuses.  Accept the critique and then correct it.  Frankly, it could have been anyone's hair in that food - - all the stews have long hair and they all serve with their hair down.  But Ana, don't immediately say it wasn't my hair because you don't know.   

I do side with Ana a little bit over the food getting cold en route, especially when Sandy stops a stew to ask a question when they're carrying food up to the guests.  This is when the ship really needs a dumbwaiter.  

Clearly Ana will get demoted.  I wonder if she'll go back to being the third stew and June will get booted, as her position will indeed be "redundant" as we've heard in the preview.   She seems harmless if not the brightest bulb in the pack.  

I hope Colin doesn't leave!  He and Joao are the only 2 members of the deck crew that actually work!  

And as awful as Joao's statement about Aesha looking like a paid escort was, I absolutely admire and appreciate his work ethic this season.  He does work hard and without complaint.

[scenicbyway]

I don’t think it’s the temperature that’s the problem, all the other chefs have taken forever to plate as well, someone is slowing up the plates.  She’s even sending up 2 at a time to keep things hot.  Also, why is Sandy in every scene?

Why is precious Colin going to quit?  He must be homesick.  Everyone is nice to him but no one is his friend?

[MajorNelson]

Haven't watched the whole show yet but...

$17k is not a good tip for FOUR DAYS!

...Despite Capt. Yawn proclaiming it as a good tip.

[spunky]

3 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

Why is precious Colin going to quit?  He must be homesick.  Everyone is nice to him but no one is his friend?

His only true friend on the boat is Joao. He made it clear from day one the others were not “his type of people.”

[langford peel]

Actually Colin is everyone else’s friend. He starts off being nice to everybody and only turned away from some of the other crew members when they proved to be drunken degenerates.

He is one of the few people in all of the Bravo shows that nobody has a bad word to say. That’s unique.  

[HunterHunted]

10 hours ago, langford peel said:

Actually Colin is everyone else’s friend. He starts off being nice to everybody and only turned away from some of the other crew members when they proved to be drunken degenerates.

He is one of the few people in all of the Bravo shows that nobody has a bad word to say. That’s unique.  

There's also Rachel, Everybody's Friend, from Southern Charm: New Orleans. Her chyron actually says "Everybody's Friend."

I think Colin is a good egg, but I question his loyalty to Joao. Joao is a hard worker and isn't constantly puerile and base, but Joao is noxious in his own way. Joao's behavior with women is disturbing. Colin was present during Joao's very disturbing behavior last season. I know that Colin was actually critical of Joao's treatment of women because Captain Moron decided to chastise Colin for being critical of Joao's treatment of women. Maybe Joao has truly improved, which Colin might have witnessed, but I wouldn't want to be a woman around Joao especially when he's been drinking. The axis of idiocy are annoying and dumb. I think Joao is dangerous.

Maybe that's part of why Colin is unhappy. He's got 3 immature idiots, an unbelievably arrogant jumped up chef, a space cadet, a barely reformed woman hater, and Hannah to hang out with. It's not any single person, but the totality of the crew that gets to him.

Edited August 15, 2019 by HunterHunted

[spunky]

8 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

There's also Rachel, Everybody's Friend, from Southern Charm: New Orleans. Her chyron actually says "Everybody's Friend."

I think Colin is a good egg, but I question his loyalty to Joao. Joao is a hard worker and isn't constantly puerile and base, but Joao is noxious in his own way. Joao's behavior with women is disturbing. Colin was present during Joao's very disturbing behavior last season. I know that Colin was actually critical of Joao's treatment of women because Captain Moron decided to chastise Colin for being critical of Joao's treatment of women. Maybe Joao has truly improved, which Colin might have witnessed, but I wouldn't want to be a woman around Joao especially when he's been drinking. The axis of idiocy are annoying and dumb. I think Joao is dangerous.

Maybe that's part of why Colin is unhappy. He's got 3 immature idiots, an unbelievably arrogant jumped up chef, a space cadet, a barely reformed woman hater, and Hannah to hang out with. It's not any single person, but the totality of the crew that gets to him.

Joao credits Colin as the reason why he’s back this season, and keeping him sane this season. From their interactions on social media it appears that they’re very close friends and Joao has referred to Colin as “broby” a few times on the show. Colin’s mother also appears to love Joao. Then there’s João’s gorgeous girlfriend who apparently seems head over heels in love, and he appears the same way. All this to say, there might be more to him than what we’re seeing of him. I think Colin is just over being the dependable one while the other two morons do absolutely nothing.

[spunky]

19 hours ago, Passing Strange said:

If it bothers a co-worker there should be repercussions, but you'd go to HR or its equivalent, not the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The reason I posted was because people are using terms that apply to workplace discrimination and that's not what Aesha is doing. As we've seen recently sexual harassment in the workplace has been, and continues to be, pervasive and very damaging. That's why I think we need to be accurate when we talk about this stuff.

If what folks are meaning is that Aesha's behavior makes it hard for some people to work on the ship, that's probably true. Using terms like "hostile work environment" and "sexual harassment" gets into the arena of discrimination and that's not what's happening here.

Her gross behavior is making at least one person uncomfortable. If it were Colin complaining no one would have an issue. Everyone is upset because it’s the out spoken male who is saying something. Why? Because last year his behind needed to go sit down in sensitivity training. This year Aesha, Jack and Travis need the same damn training.

[dosodog]

Is it 100% that Colin leaves? 

[Mr. Miner]

3 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Captain Moron decided to chastise Colin

Captain Moron = genuine lol!

[terrymct]

14 hours ago, spunky said:

His only true friend on the boat is Joao. He made it clear from day one the others were not “his type of people.”

In his defense, this group is rather gross in a couple of different ways.  The more I watch this show the more I believe that the stews and deck hands in this show for the most part couldn't hold regular jobs.  That's why they drifted into this work.

[Lamima]

Maybe it's that he can't stand the 3 stooges and their crass behavior PLUS then June gets let go and that's the last straw for him. Remember he is crushing on June. Maybe Joao asks Sandy to replace Trevor with June and she says nope and Colin is fed up and wants to be the hero so he goes to quit so June can stay. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Lamima

[langford peel]

I still think Colin wants to quit because of a confrontation with Travis who has been mocking him all season.

Colin has been a loyal sidekick and friend to Joao and was not afraid to call him out when he thought he was wrong last season. That’s what a real friend does and it seems like Joao appreciates it. Unfortunately he relies on Colin too much instead of insisting that the others do their jobs because he doesn’t to come off as a humorless dick. Travis and Jack try to undermine that friendship and the nonsense they bring adds to stress of overwork to the point that Colin must have had enough.

When he goes to Captain Clueless she has to understand what is happening when her hardest working most loyal deckhand wants to quit. She has to kick ass and take names. What do you think will happen?

[Stsimonsgal]

I think June is high half the time. Am I the only one who thinks that?

[Passing Strange]

4 hours ago, spunky said:

Her gross behavior is making at least one person uncomfortable. If it were Colin complaining no one would have an issue. Everyone is upset because it’s the out spoken male who is saying something. Why? Because last year his behind needed to go sit down in sensitivity training. This year Aesha, Jack and Travis need the same damn training.

I don't disagree. I think most everyone here thinks Aesha's behavior was at least inappropriate. And, yes, the irritation with Joao is because last year his behavior was abhorrent. In fact, for me, Joao's behavior was significantly worse than Aesha's. I think his actions genuinely were sexual harassment and Captain Sandy should have said so rather than defending Joao when Colin called him out on social media.

Speaking of Colin, are there any Summer House watchers here? As Colin was effortlessly rocking his white pants I thought of how bad Carl looked in his. And smiled.

[LoneHaranguer]

21 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

$17k is not a good tip for FOUR DAYS!

...Despite Capt. Yawn proclaiming it as a good tip.

She probably meant for the experience the guests received. How many times have we seen guests get jerked around because Sandy hasn't figured out how the weather works in that area, or decides that the boat needs to be moved? And some guests care that the food is not being prepared by a real chef. If you're dropping around $100K for a charter (tips are customarily 15-20%), you want the best.

[spunky]

2 hours ago, Passing Strange said:

I don't disagree. I think most everyone here thinks Aesha's behavior was at least inappropriate. And, yes, the irritation with Joao is because last year his behavior was abhorrent. In fact, for me, Joao's behavior was significantly worse than Aesha's. I think his actions genuinely were sexual harassment and Captain Sandy should have said so rather than defending Joao when Colin called him out on social media.

Speaking of Colin, are there any Summer House watchers here? As Colin was effortlessly rocking his white pants I thought of how bad Carl looked in his. And smiled.

I've never seen Summer House. I've always liked Joao because I always saw his behavior with Conrad and on nights out as someone who is asking for guidance but didn't know how to ask for it appropriately. That being said, I was really hoping that both Brooke and Kasey would have just ignored his immature games. Instead they tried to be the President and CEO of Build a Man Workshop.  

[biakbiak]

8 hours ago, dosodog said:

Is it 100% that Colin leaves? 

No and in the preview for the season there is more of Colin that we haven’t seen.

Edited August 15, 2019 by biakbiak

[spunky]

6 hours ago, terrymct said:

In his defense, this group is rather gross in a couple of different ways.  The more I watch this show the more I believe that the stews and deck hands in this show for the most part couldn't hold regular jobs.  That's why they drifted into this work.

I agree with you 100%

[MajorNelson]

2 hours ago, LoneHaranguer said:

She probably meant for the experience the guests received. How many times have we seen guests get jerked around because Sandy hasn't figured out how the weather works in that area, or decides that the boat needs to be moved? And some guests care that the food is not being prepared by a real chef. If you're dropping around $100K for a charter (tips are customarily 15-20%), you want the best.

Yeah but....didn't they get earlier 23k for like a 2 day charter?  I think we've seen 10k tips for 1 days, so 4 days decent might be 40K, but 17k is then low low low.

[scrb]

The charter guests are fake so the tips are probably fake too.

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, scrb said:

The charter guests are fake so the tips are probably fake too.

They aren’t fake and they do still have to pay though at a discounted rate but still a chunk of change.

[scrb]

23 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

They aren’t fake and they do still have to pay though at a discounted rate but still a chunk of change.

Yeah that may be Bravo's company line.

But obviously they're paying the owners of the yacht to charter the boat and then sub-chartering to guests.

If they want certain minor celebrities as guests, if they thought it would help draw ratings, are they really going to impose a high sub-charter fee on them?

And I don't see them counting the tip money on camera.

[langford peel]

 If the charter cost was $100,000 as has been speculated than $17,000 is a generous tip. 

I read somewhere that the charter guests get a very discounted rate and I bet celebrities get an even bigger discount.

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, scrb said:

Yeah that may be Bravo's company line.

No it’s what it says in the actual contract the guests sign.

[luvthepros]

On 8/14/2019 at 12:46 PM, Special K said:

I think it's her plating -- she seems to do it in stages.  So, like, she plates the rice and it sits there on the plate getting cold while she finishes the meat/fish.  I also think when she is resting the meat, it's someplace where it can cool off.   If she doesn't have heat lamps or help plating, she needs to do it strategically and fast.  She also shouldn't be plating until there are stews/deckhands right there, ready to take the plates up.  Seems like she sometimes plates and then calls for people to bring the food up.  Timing is everything.

Being a chef is more than just cooking well, right?  🙂

ETA:  I don't understand why the stews can't help her plate...

This makes a lot of sense. I am just a home cook and I always serve all my food hot. I can even manage to serve all the food for a Thanksgiving Day feast hot. Of course, the food is not plated by me but is served family style.

I'm getting very annoyed with Ana as chef. One of the reasons I love to watch the Below Deck franchise is to watch the chefs prepare awesome upscale food that the guests rave about. I am being let down big time with Ana as chef. I really want her gone.

[scrb]

1 hour ago, langford peel said:

 If the charter cost was $100,000 as has been speculated than $17,000 is a generous tip. 

I read somewhere that the charter guests get a very discounted rate and I bet celebrities get an even bigger discount.

A minor TV personality like Damon would probably expect to be paid to appear on the show.

In fact, why would any charter guest pay a lot of money to be on the boat and filmed for a TV show which is making millions in advertising revenues and not get compensated for it?

Presumably, it's Bravo which asks them to be on the show, not the other way around.

So what is Bravo offering them to appear on the show?  A discount is enough to get them to appear on the show?

[MajorNelson]

Sirocco goes for about $200k plus expenses per WEEK retail.  Not sure the cost to Sharp, and then the daily rates might be, nor the discount.

Info:
https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-23274/sirocco.htm

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/how-much-it-costs-to-be-a-passenger-on-below-deck-and-the-1-complaint-some-of-them-make.html/

  says 50% discount for BD/M guests.  Tip is to be on full rate.

So maybe 17k would be "average" perhaps but then everyone else, imo, have been far more generous for those shorter trips.

[scrb]

Either the guests would expect to be compensated some other way for appearing on the show or maybe they're promoting something so they look at paying for the charter as a marketing expense

The ones who pay a good tip may care about how they come across on TV.  They probably watched the show, have an idea of how much others leave in tip.

Jackie Siegel can supposedly pay the real fees but maybe she wanted to be on TV.  Otherwise, I don't know why someone who's rich enough for a luxury yacht charter would want to appear on TV.

Edited August 16, 2019 by scrb

[spunky]

12 hours ago, terrymct said:

In his defense, this group is rather gross in a couple of different ways.  The more I watch this show the more I believe that the stews and deck hands in this show for the most part couldn't hold regular jobs.  That's why they drifted into this work.

If I was a yacht owner I wouldn’t want a Jack, Aesha and Travis within 1000 feet of my boat. 

[duddley]

6 hours ago, biakbiak said:

No and in the preview for the season there is more of Colin that we haven’t seen.

I may be wrong but I'm fairly certain that they showed Colin with a foot or leg injury and Captain Sandy was getting him medical attention?

[sasha206]

On 8/12/2019 at 10:07 PM, Lamima said:

And who the heck is the drunk who thinks he can call a meeting with his boss to lecture him on how he treats Aesha....his friggin boss??? After he got black out drunk at the dinner table, called his date boring and was rude to the wine sommelier. Get the eff out with that shit, Jack Trevor or whatever you're irrelevant name is.

I love how he was all big and bad before meeting with J and then caved.

Meanwhile, that guy needs to get some professional help.  He is a BAD drunk.

[sasha206]

On 8/13/2019 at 9:20 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I don't know about some of the issues between the crew, but, with the food thing.....omg...so producer driven. I suspect the guests and cast of the show get the memo about the food will be a problem this time and this time someone will say this.....we'll film it one time and if we need more, we'll go back and get some more on that issue.  Recall how some old issues were that the chef couldn't seem to steer clear of food that the guests had allergies to.  It's always something.  This whole thing with having to replace the original chef was staged, imo and the theme continues.  I'm pretty much done with it. 

It's so producer driven.  I mean come on.  Food and booze seems to be the most important thing on a yacht.  You can't tell me there is no way they can't find a qualified chef?  IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE for fux sake?  On a real yacht, there is no way they'd put someone without formal training in this position.

15 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

Sirocco goes for about $200k plus expenses per WEEK retail.  Not sure the cost to Sharp, and then the daily rates might be, nor the discount.

Info:
https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-23274/sirocco.htm

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/how-much-it-costs-to-be-a-passenger-on-below-deck-and-the-1-complaint-some-of-them-make.html/

  says 50% discount for BD/M guests.  Tip is to be on full rate.

So maybe 17k would be "average" perhaps but then everyone else, imo, have been far more generous for those shorter trips.

This is why the 3rd stew being the Chef is such bullshit.  No way in hell would a yacht owner charging that have someone so inexperienced in that role.

[LoneHaranguer]

22 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

You can't tell me there is no way they can't find a qualified chef?

I suspect there's a "for what they're willing to pay" involved. Reality shows are supposed to be cheap to produce and this one has the costs of a yacht and BTS crew limiting what they can spend elsewhere. In peak charter season, getting a qualified chef willing to be on camera and quickly enough not to disrupt shooting would have been expensive.

[spunky]

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

I love how he was all big and bad before meeting with J and then caved.

Meanwhile, that guy needs to get some professional help.  He is a BAD drunk.

That was hilarious. He simmered down once he got that "don't test me" side eye. Talking about he want's his side of the story before he becomes pissed, and why he doesn't speak to him outside of work. 

[Smky Mtns]

A few thoughts from watching some After  Show interviews.

Wow Travis and Jack are cocky!  They come across as totally smug assholes.  I can’t stand either of them. 

Watching the TV show I was turned off by Aesha’s behavior and thought Anastasia was confident and gorgeous.  After watching the After Show interviews Aesha looked stunning and came across better than the edited TV show while Anastasia rubbed me the wrong way. 

[jumper sage]

On 8/14/2019 at 1:10 PM, luvthepros said:

Having said that, Travis came down on her so badly, IIRC, he told her she was "dead" to him. I was absolutely appalled at Travis for being so closed minded as not to accept someone else's POV.

In this day and age it is ridiculous to rail against gay people.  I have given up friends who have a "different POV".  I call it discrimination.