S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

[chlban]

36 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I can’t decide if the dress looks more like a sign at a construction site on the highway or something Seinfeld’s Roy The Triangle Guy created.

I barely noticed the tacky dress, too focused on the ridiculous hair. Then Andy compliments her on her "look". Seriously honey, he is messing with you, you look ridiculous. It pains me to say anthing nice about any of these bitches, but I actually like Rinna's hair. 

[tranquilidade]

6 minutes ago, chlban said:

I barely noticed the tacky dress, too focused on the ridiculous hair. Then Andy compliments her on her "look". Seriously honey, he is messing with you, you look ridiculous. It pains me to say anthing nice about any of these bitches, but I actually like Rinna's hair. 

Rinna was wearing a wig.  LOL.

[RealHousewife]

23 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Camille is still on that high horse she was on in season 1 when she was up here and everyone else was down there. SHE was the one married to the (what she considered) A List celebrity! Kyle's husband worked for THEM; Know That. 

She doesn't realize who/what she is potentially dealing with in Denise. Denise has her own successful acting career, and her name and face (although somewhat altered) are still recognizable. I hate to quote Yolanda, but, Who is Camille Grammer in this world? Ok, she was married to Kelsey, but is/was Charlie's career just as, if not more lucrative?, not to mention dear old dad, Martin, or brother Emilio. Sorry, Camille, Denise may only rent ((shudder)), but you lose this popularity contest. imo. and even more so, because Denise doesn't seem to give a rat's ass. I believe it was season 1 Camille that said the one who remains calm, wins the argument.

Exactly. Most people know Denise Richards, and not just because of the tabloids/Charlie. She is a well known actress and the biggest star this show has had. And yet she’s so much more down to earth than Camille. 

[Keywestclubkid]

45 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Camille is still on that high horse she was on in season 1 when she was up here and everyone else was down there. SHE was the one married to the (what she considered) A List celebrity! Kyle's husband worked for THEM; Know That. 

She doesn't realize who/what she is potentially dealing with in Denise. Denise has her own successful acting career, and her name and face (although somewhat altered) are still recognizable. I hate to quote Yolanda, but, Who is Camille Grammer in this world? Ok, she was married to Kelsey, but is/was Charlie's career just as, if not more lucrative?, not to mention dear old dad, Martin, or brother Emilio. Sorry, Camille, Denise may only rent ((shudder)), but you lose this popularity contest. imo. and even more so, because Denise doesn't seem to give a rat's ass. I believe it was season 1 Camille that said the one who remains calm, wins the argument.

That’s the Main difference between Denise and Camille.... Denise doesn’t think her celebrity makes her any better then anyone else and treats everyone the same. Camille thought/thinks because she was married to Kelsey and now she has HIS money her shit don’t/didn’t stink and everyone is/was below her. Her inflated sense of Ego is still astounding. Her ability to try to make herself the victim in this is also baffling to me. Camille needs a reality check. 

Edited July 17, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[langford peel]

Kim Richards was the biggest star on this show albeit as a child star. 

They got Denise Richards because Sybil Danning wasn’t available. 

They should have held out for Traci Lords.

Edited July 17, 2019 by langford peel

[nexxie]

23 minutes ago, Sarah Heart said:

Then she fits right in,  with the other assholes left on this show

Nah, she messes up the synergy - Eileen would fit in much better, but doubt she’s interested.

[SweetieDarling]

8 minutes ago, langford peel said:

Kim Richards was the biggest star on this show albeit as a child star. 

They got Denise Richards because Sybil Danning wasn’t available.

I was going to mention Kim, but a lot of people here said they had never heard of her. Me? I was a fan since Nanny and the Professor. I had no idea Kyle had been on LHOP or ER, though I was aware of her. I must have stopped watching before her character(s) showed up.

[Beachdreamer]

59 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

See I thought that entire exchange was weird and seemed very ass-kissy.  Like I am going to suck up to Kyle so I am not next to be driven off the show.  

I thought it was weird, but because I think it was actually pretend ass- kissy.  I think what they were really doing was laying the groundwork for Lisa's departure to be Kyle's fault the most.  And also getting in a dig at Lisa.  Erika used the word leader of the group to describe Kyle.

[BluBrd47]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Does anyone remember that Seinfeld episode where the dentist converted to Judiasm for the jokes?  

Y'all are making me want to side with LVP because so many funny, witty things have been said in her favor.  I just can't side with her.  I just can't with the punching down she does on VanderPump Rules.  As someone who bends over backward all day to be as nice to the lowliest clerical worker as I am to the Big Boss, Lisa's behavior affects me the way I imagine the "dog dumping" affects others. I have just seen LVP belittle grown people this past season of VPR one too many times; I've seen and heard her say things like, "you're not a pussy-wussy anymore, are you?" to grown men's faces, in front of their significant others, with cameras running, and, hey, no one can say anything to her because...Vanderpump Rules!  Oh, and didn't you know she was kidding daaahling.

LVP's elitist bullshit doesn't carry over as much onto this show, but now that I've seen it, it can't be unseen and not only do I dislike her, this is the first time in RH history I don't mind a pile-up because nobody is really saying or doing anything against Lisa that she hasn't said or done to another. I just don't think you can treat people poorly because they're below your station in life.  This isn't Oliver Twist.  

So I may be party of one, and I'm fine with that, but...say what you will about her breath, Camille.  I believe LVP said something very similar about and to Dorit on the plane ride to the Bahamas.  I don't like someone who does all the dishing, but no taking.

I am just going to take the plunge and say something even less popular--I thought this installment of the reunion was leaps and bounds above the first reunion installment of RHNYC.  I felt like I was holding my breath during the entire episode of RHNYC, because Bethenny is a manic rollercoaster who never stops taking jabs at people.  On this show, it was so much more evenly spread (although I thought they talked about Eloise too long), but I felt like I could just relax, enjoy and watch.  I don't feel like there's an evil dark cloud hovering over the whole damn thing.

Maybe I am a hypocrite, because I am ok with Dorit, and I guess it's because I didn't see her do what she did firsthand.  A lot of it is conjecture.  I have seen Lisa belittle people to their faces a few dozen times.  I can't just call her the queen and look the other way now.  I can't giggle at how rich and British her humor is.  She's hurting people.  And even if it is just for the show, what kind of asshole signs up to play that role in a reality show?  I don't get her, and I hope she doesn't let the door hit her on the way out.

Your totally not alone, we’re here and we’re not going away. I’ve always thought the way Lisa and Ken talk to their help is despicable. I remember once unprompted Ken thought Rosa- is that her name?- wanted one of Lisa’s dresses and he snapped at her that “surely we treat you well enough!!” What a dick. Give the lady a damn dress!

[Natalie68]

Just now, Beachdreamer said:

I thought it was weird, but because I think it was actually pretend ass- kissy.  I think what they were really doing was laying the groundwork for Lisa's departure to be Kyle's fault the most.  And also getting in a dig at Lisa.  Erika used the word leader of the group to describe Kyle.

I like this line of thinking!  

[chlban]

1 hour ago, tranquilidade said:

Rinna was wearing a wig.  LOL.

Well, it looks better than her own hair.

[tranquilidade]

2 minutes ago, chlban said:

Well, it looks better than her own hair.

I agree and I hate saying anything nice about her...

[TVFANNO1]

I am so shocked at how thick the make up is on all of them.   When we saw them getting done up before the show it was totally piled on like a trowel.

It showed you that they might not be as good looking without all that gunk on eh.   I really got a shock.

[RealHousewife]

59 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I was going to mention Kim, but a lot of people here said they had never heard of her. Me? I was a fan since Nanny and the Professor. I had no idea Kyle had been on LHOP or ER, though I was aware of her. I must have stopped watching before her character(s) showed up.

I had never heard of Kim either. Apparently she was a big star in the 70’s, and not to be shady but I wasn’t born yet. Denise Richards has been far more famous in the last few decades. 

[SweetieDarling]

I don't know when I first heard of Denise Richards, and I can't name everything she was in, but it would be hard to surpass Drop Dead Gorgeous. 

[parrotlover]

I am celebrating - lol - my 10th year of watching most of the various Housewives franchises, and I swear on everything holy that was the most boring reunion in the history of Housewives reunions, that has ever been seen.  I wait for these reunions all season long - what a dud that hour was. Camille did inject the only sparks into it, and I'm not a fan of her, but at least there was that. For the life of me, I cannot even begin to fathom how on earth this shitfest can be stretched into 3 episodes.

And if I was in charge - they would all be gone next season except Denise and maybe Kyle - since before this season, I liked her. That talk last night about Nicolette Sheridan and Rinna saying people on Twitter wanted the show to make her a housewive  next season. I would so be on board with that to drive Rinna crazy.

[RealHousewife]

The first thing I saw Denise in was Saved by the Bell. She was the pretty girl who faked drowning at the beach so Slater would save her. 

[Keywestclubkid]

9 minutes ago, parrotlover said:

I am celebrating - lol - my 10th year of watching most of the various Housewives franchises, and I swear on everything holy that was the most boring reunion in the history of Housewives reunions, that has ever been seen.  I wait for these reunions all season long - what a dud that hour was. Camille did inject the only sparks into it, and I'm not a fan of her, but at least there was that. For the life of me, I cannot even begin to fathom how on earth this shitfest can be stretched into 3 episodes.

And if I was in charge - they would all be gone next season except Denise and maybe Kyle - since before this season, I liked her. That talk last night about Nicolette Sheridan and Rinna saying people on Twitter wanted the show to make her a housewive  next season. I would so be on board with that to drive Rinna crazy.

You obviously didn’t watch part one of New York’s reunion this year good god it could have been wrapped up in 15mins that full hour. It creeped by so slow they really are reaching trying to stretch these things out more then two episodes. They end up just being mostly filler. There is no way in hell that this season of Beverly Hills ( hell even New York) should be 3 different parts nothing happened to warrant it. 

Edited July 17, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[parrotlover]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

You obviously didn’t t watch part one of New York’s reunion this year good god it could have been wrapped up in 15mins that full hour. It creeped by so slow they really are reaching trying to stretch these things out of more then two episodes 

Well I did watch it last week and had already forgetten - you're right - that was a dull hour as well!

I don't get why some of the franchises get 3 episode reunions and some get 2 - popularity maybe? I know Dallas and lately New Jersey have only gotten 2, and maybe Potomac too - I don't watch that one. But all the rest get 3 episodes. Honestly,  I'm fine with 2 episodes if Andy would just ask the right questions.

[DebbieM4]

19 hours ago, Choco9 said:

She wasn't saying Denise ate BonBons!  Andy and the women were making something out of nothing.  She defended herself by saying SHE didn't just sit around in her marriage.  Then they all made that about Denise.  

Exactly.  She was explaining her own situation.  She was pretty clear about not feeling qualified to comment on Denise's.  The bon bon comment was not directed at Denise.

19 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

Camille was being made to look like she didn't deserve her settlement.  I don't think she aimed her reply at Denise, but to show how much she put into the marriage.  Every one else went into the interview with an agenda to disagree with everything Camille says. You can see it on their faces/

I thought that was pretty obvious too.  

19 hours ago, Choco9 said:

If by "a lot of fun" you mean the most boring part one of a reunion ever, then yes.

Agreed.  I didn't see any fun at all.  Worst reunion so far that I've ever seen on any franchise in all my years of watching.  I kept waiting for something to happen, something lively, or..........something.  Boring women who think they're fascinating.  Total snoozefest.  

19 hours ago, endure said:

I didn't think the bon bon comment was actually directed at anyone - she was defending herself

Yes.  We know her claws can come out.  She's not shy about letting that show.  But this wasn't that at all.  

[Gem 10]

5 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think that B's wanted to join them for years, but, can't get out of NYC, due to child situation.  We'll see how that turns out. 

OMG .. Beth would squash them all in ten seconds with her mouth.  They wouldn’t know what hit them.  Besides, we need here here.  I can’t see her out there.  Not enough action as she’s too fast paced.  But then again, you never know.

[parrotlover]

Betheny would definitely squash them. From time to time I've also read that Alana Stewart (Hamilton) was being considered for Beverly Hills....I don't really know much about her except that she was married to George Hamilton and Rod Stewart, but I remember George Hamilton having a reality show about 4 years ago on E! and she was in it along with his and their grown kids. It only lasted one season and I think maybe I watched one episode. She might be interesting. They definitely need to look for new blood. Don't bring back anyone from the past.

[bravofan27]

I always got Denise Richards and Rebecca Greyhart mixed up in the 90s. Denise Richards was VERY famous from her movie "Wild Things." It was the rage of anyone sexually active in the 90s. 

Lisa Rinna. Not sure about the look. I think she looks way cuter with her iconic shag hair. I also didn't like how her lips were lined. She had a thick beige/pink line on her top lip, which I didn't really get. Ericka also had nude lipstick, but hers looked really good. 

Camille is on a huge high horse, and in season 1 she presented herself as someone better than everyone. At the time I thought it was because she was married to Grammar who is highly regarded as talented as an actor. But she is still the same way, long after Grammar basically said she was hell to live with, and it's almost worse. That said, it was kind of shitty Andy pitting Camille (who tried to get everything possible) and Denise (who was super kind) against each other and their divorces. I think Camille is a keen and sharp business lady. I think Denise is happy with some sunshine and a big dick and weed. Charlie and Grammar are so different. Charlie is all about being sleazy, where Grammar is all about being the intellect. So they married people that supported their images. 

I don't think Camille is intelligent. I do think she is more aware  of her image and values looking intelligent. I don't think Denise really thinks about whether she looks intelligent. She does want people to know she is getting laid, however, and her kids have a dad. I don't think Denise is any more intelligent than Camille, she just has a different lifestyle. 

Edited July 17, 2019 by bravofan27

[Gem 10]

8 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

A baboon's WRINKLED ass. Rinna's upper lip is just gross. 

No wonder Harry is always in Canada.  Being skinny as a rail means nothing in her case.

[gingerella]

16 hours ago, smores said:

Camille put in the time and work alongside Kelsey to build what they had.  It isn't wrong for her to have gotten a settlement for it.   

What 'work' did she do, other than blow him and spend his money? She doesn't have a 'job', I don't even think she is regularly involved with charities, unless it's about getting herself publicity. Nah, she was a wifey at best with Kelsey, IMO. She always acts so high and mighty and seems to think the public doesn't know or remember that she was a low rent stripper who came from nothing. Bitch, we REMEMBER.

10 hours ago, film noire said:

I love that LVP quit the day before the reunion.  Beyond fucking brilliant. 

She didn't give these monsters a heads-up. She left them hanging.  She left Andy Cohen waiting on her decision, fidget-spinning and  drunk-dialing ("Anderson do you think LVP will come? And then I can SMASH her like I want to smash MY MOMMY?") She left Kyle dreaming of finally destroying LVP ("I will fake-cry and my tears will make deep grooves on my pancaked face like Chernobyl-ash and then pink flowered Lady Luncheons will finally be mine!") She left Teddi sitting there with her paddle-hands waving like Free Willy's giant fins cresting the water,  she left Rinna sitting there with her sickening body-shaming intact (my girls mocked fat people and now one of them is is anorexic - go figure!) as well as all the repulsive after-thoughts: Erika the morally above-it-all child abandoner, Dorit the morally indignant dog dumper,  and Denise (dear god, Denise,  who took a turn so crooked,  she is now the defender of the deeply immoral Brandi and Rinna, the shit-souled ghouls of this franchise).   Congratulations, you smug, festering suck-holed pretend-friends.  You were fucking dismissed.

Once again @film noire, I bow to your witty reparte. Thank you for saying what was in my head 1000% better than I could have!

I love that LVP didn't get them the chance to pile on, mean girl style. They are filled with their glorious Mean Girls Bullying Plan: 2019 Edition, and with nowhere to go because their target has dismissed them like the childish, churlish, straight-up cunty bitches that they really are. It's funny to see them continuously harp on 'LVP this' and 'LVP that', all while giving DUHrit the Puppy Dumper and Teddi the Most Lyingist Liar Who Never Lies' complete passes. They deserve to have no resolution or closure on this. They're too stupid to understand that LVP won - IMO - and the lost because now everyone can see how disgusting they all really are.

[Gem 10]

5 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I think LVP quit because she didn’t want to deal with Andy trying to tell her that she could stay if she did some major ass kissing and sucking up. I don’t think that he would have flat out fired her even though the precedent had been set on RHOBH with A. Maloof. He knows that she has a large fan base and she brought the house and animal porn. Who wouldn’t want to sit at one of her beautifully set tables for delicious food. I for one will miss the mini ponies, puppies and the swans. Especially the one that went after Kyle.  

What does LVP need this show for and all the phony crap it comes with?  She has enough on her plate. Plus, she went out with a “kiss my Royal British Ass”.

[smores]

13 hours ago, Hagosaurus said:

Career-wise, I don't think it'd look good for her to miss that wedding. That's two major show events she would have missed. Bravo wouldn't be too happy with her.

I can't imagine that Bravo would have had an issue with LVP not attending Jax and Brittany's wedding because of the death of her mother.  First because there's been a bunch of press about how she should have taken time off from RHOBH this year (even Andy has said they should have given her time off), after the death of her brother.  Second, though, because you could also have all sorts of intense, worried interviews and tearful conversations about how the "kids" are worried about LVP after losing her mother.  Jax and Brittany can have a conversation with LVP where they tell her not to worry about coming, then they can have solemn conversations about how they love her and wish she could be there, but of course she should be more concerned with her family, etc.

11 hours ago, renatae said:

Kyle brought her resting bitch face persona in preparation for another confrontation with LVP. Too bad for her that LVP didn't cooperate.

The birthday gift shouting "Manolos" seemed more Dorito than Kyle, but the new "queen" seems to be assimilating all the worst characteristics of her fellow harpies.

So Kyle has had this gift for months, but somehow she didn't have it when she went to LVP's house the day before her birthday to confront LVP and tell her she had to confess and how everyone had decided she was wrong? Ok then.  

7 hours ago, ChitChat said:

She was rather quiet most of the season.  She faded into the background in many instances.  I could never tell if she didn't feel good, or had issues she was dealing with, or simply didn't care.  

One of the things that I have always liked about Erika is that she generally didn't get super involved in the petty BS that the women tended to snipe at each other about.  Dorit and Kyle arguing about who is LVP's very favorite most bestest friend ever? Erika doesn't care if you like her or not.  I appreciated that about her.  This year with her wading into the crap with LVP and talking about the dark clouds and all of that? Not a fan.

7 hours ago, Choco9 said:

It is so funny how people can see totally different things in the show.  I think Camille (and, agan, I am no fan) was annoyed that Andy was trying to make her taking a divorce settlement an affront to Denise, somehow.  Camille answered as to why she kept her last name and Denise jumps in, "I couldn't WAIT to get rid of mine, sorry" which was egging Camille on.  Side note, Denise, did anyone on the face of this planet ever refer to you as Denise Sheen?  No.  Shut up.

The whole thing was set up to pit Camille against Denise and Camille tried to say, "Okay... good for you, not the same scenario" basically, but she handles everything horribly so it came out looking like the battle Andy wanted.

Denise made her feelings clear, basically she seems to think that the way she handled her divorce is the way they should all be handled.  What does it matter to her if someone else has a different settlement? And why does she care if Camille kept Grammar in her name? Denise was ALWAYS Denise Richards, even when married to Charlie.  She is STILL Denise Richards, while married to Aaron, so it's not like she was publicly changing the way she was known. 

6 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

why would a 23 yo be that close to a 58 yo women and vice versa? so its ok for them to be close but its somehow weird that teddI was texting him to? she explained why she was texting him because he was at all the events that had to do with vanderpump dogs and was lisa's friend/employee 

I have friends who are older than my parents and also young enough to be my children.  I don't think it's necessarily strange that a 23 year old would be close to a 58 year old if they had similar interests.  I also don't think that Sessa/Blizzard are personally all that close to LVP, I think they're work associates but not necessarily social friends who are in touch about personal issues or anything like that.  

Teddi spent the whole season showing all of these texts that she had from Blizzard as her "proof" that she was set up by LVP.  Now she's saying that she didn't even know Blizzard that well and only dealt with him regarding events.  That doesn't really seem to add up, given that she has all of these texts that have nothing really to do with the events.  

5 hours ago, Set Them Free said:

I didn't watch the reunion yet.  But I have to say, the thing I have come to really like about RHoNY is that the bolded above actually works there.

I snipped some stuff out of your post for space reasons.  NY works because they all treat the show like it's a job, which it is.  They leave what they have "at the office" for the most part and then discuss it at the reunion and then let it go, because it is done and over with.  They also recognize that they will have to work with the same people next year.  BH, on the other hand, are all busy pretending that they are real life BFFs and also make it about teams.  They catalog every potential slight and spend their time trying to prove they are the best friend and their life is the best ever and everyone else is just jealous of them.  

5 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

Why is Kyle kissing LVP’s ass by bringing her am expensive gift after she threw her out?  These women crack me up.  Such ass kissers who hate each other underneath.  I can’t stand all of them, but still watch, lol.  Maybe I just crave aggravation.

Because she can look like the long suffering great friend who has just been trying to move past this horrible situation.  All she has wanted to do is give LVP her birthday gift and she won't talk to her! Pity Kyle!

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I love this post, and I totally get what you mean. I have friends who I know lie about things now and then. I too have things I keep secret. I don’t think you need to be an open book with your friends. Matter of fact, the people who say they NEVER lie are some of the shadiest ones of all. I always think, really, never? Then I’m proven right to be suspicious of their supposed transparency. I don’t have any friends I can picture selling me out though, nor would I dream of doing anything that would make my friend look bad publicly and result in her getting threats. I wouldn’t want such a person in my life. There are lies one tells in order to spare feelings or to protect oneself or little fibs, and there’s throwing your friend under the bus and denying you did so.

I also agree that people who say they never lie can't be trusted.  Seriously, what do you do when someone invites you somewhere and you don't want to go but there isn't a graceful way out? How is it not polite to say "I need to check my schedule and make sure the kids don't have something, etc." Rather than saying what you are thinking, which is "Oh that sounds like torture, no way am I going to do that?"

2 hours ago, Raiderred said:

I have never liked Erika but I do think she is pretty but when they do flashbacks to her early years 20's/30's she is kind of homely so she has had great work done somewhere.  Kyle seems the same and at one point her work looked almost natural and it seems now she has reach the point of no return...it seems everyone that continues with procedures and such get the same outcome. Everyone morphs into the same woman or man! 😖

I think Erika had good work done and is also good with aging.  She wanted to look better, but is fine looking her age.  Kyle is determined to look 20 or 30, rather than aging well and that never works out well for women.  

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

 She doesn't realize who/what she is potentially dealing with in Denise. Denise has her own successful acting career, and her name and face (although somewhat altered) are still recognizable. I hate to quote Yolanda, but, Who is Camille Grammer in this world? Ok, she was married to Kelsey, but is/was Charlie's career just as, if not more lucrative?, not to mention dear old dad, Martin, or brother Emilio. Sorry, Camille, Denise may only rent ((shudder)), but you lose this popularity contest. imo. and even more so, because Denise doesn't seem to give a rat's ass. I believe it was season 1 Camille that said the one who remains calm, wins the argument.

I actually don’t think Camille cares that much if people know who she is.  I think she's good with living her own life in the way she wants to, but I don't know that she's super concerned with being a celebrity in the same way that Rinna and Kyle are.

22 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I was going to mention Kim, but a lot of people here said they had never heard of her. Me? I was a fan since Nanny and the Professor. I had no idea Kyle had been on LHOP or ER, though I was aware of her. I must have stopped watching before her character(s) showed up.

I watched ER back when it was on and had no idea who Kyle was.  Later when I was watching it again, after having seen RHOBH, I realized who Kyle was on the show.  She played a nurse, specifically a dialysis nurse who popped up in the background off and on throughout the show.  Her name was Dory, and she might have a line once in a while, but it wasn't like she was a major player on the show.  

7 minutes ago, gingerella said:

What 'work' did she do, other than blow him and spend his money? She doesn't have a 'job', I don't even think she is regularly involved with charities, unless it's about getting herself publicity. Nah, she was a wifey at best with Kelsey, IMO. She always acts so high and mighty and seems to think the public doesn't know or remember that she was a low rent stripper who came from nothing. Bitch, we REMEMBER.

I find this kind of thing insulting.  Together, during their marriage, she and Kelsey invested in a large portfolio of real estate.  They also had a production company, and she worked as a creator, writer and executive producer in it.  

On top of that, no one ever contradicts Kyle when she claims credit for what has been created at The Agency.  In her speech she talked about how she and Mauricio went and got their real estate licenses and now look at what they've built.  Yet we never see Kyle showing houses or doing paperwork.  But no one would argue that she doesn't help to promote his business, and host parties for him, etc.  So why trash Camille for doing a similar role in Kelsey's life?

[RealHousewife]

58 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

I always got Denise Richards and Rebecca Greyhart mixed up in the 90s. Denise Camille is on a huge high horse, and in season 1 she presented herself as someone better than everyone. At the time I thought it was because she was married to Grammar who is highly regarded as talented as an actor. But she is still the same way, long after Grammar basically said she was hell to live with, and it's almost worse. That said, it was kind of shitty Andy pitting Camille (who tried to get everything possible) and Denise (who was super kind) against each other and their divorces. I think Camille is a keen and sharp business lady. I think Denise is happy with some sunshine and a big dick and weed. Charlie and Grammar are so different. Charlie is all about being sleazy, where Grammar is all about being the intellect. So they married people that supported their images. 

I don't think Camille is intelligent. I do think she is more aware  of her image and values looking intelligent. I don't think Denise really thinks about whether she looks intelligent. She does want people to know she is getting laid, however, and her kids have a dad. I don't think Denise is any more intelligent than Camille, she just has a different lifestyle. 

Yeah it was Andy who pitted them against each other, not Denise. Camille should not have directed her annoyance (which I totally get) at Denise. 

lmao @ the bolded part

I don't know the degree to which Camille was involved with Kelsey's success and $. Maybe she's got great business smarts, I don't know. Regarding the show, I don't thinks she comes across particularly bright, but I agree that she does want to come across intelligent. Denise is a lot smarter when it comes to her image, naughty talk and all. I do think Denise still wants to come across as more of the sexy girl. I thought Camille wised up since season 1, but she is coming across as bitchy and snobby again. Did she get new people or fire the ones she hired to repair her image? Someone like LVP is intelligent enough to not make too many mistakes on camera, and when she does slip, her mind works pretty quickly with damage control. Camille doesn't inherently have this skill.

[Sharonana]

1 hour ago, TVFANNO1 said:

I am so shocked at how thick the make up is on all of them.   When we saw them getting done up before the show it was totally piled on like a trowel.

It showed you that they might not be as good looking without all that gunk on eh.   I really got a shock.

I also noticed this, and what's with the thick dark eyebrows? Is that en vogue? It's a horrible look. Don't like it one bit.

[gingerella]

1 minute ago, smores said:

15 minutes ago, gingerella said:

What 'work' did she do, other than blow him and spend his money? She doesn't have a 'job', I don't even think she is regularly involved with charities, unless it's about getting herself publicity. Nah, she was a wifey at best with Kelsey, IMO. She always acts so high and mighty and seems to think the public doesn't know or remember that she was a low rent stripper who came from nothing. Bitch, we REMEMBER.

I find this kind of thing insulting.  Together, during their marriage, she and Kelsey invested in a large portfolio of real estate.  They also had a production company, and she worked as a creator, writer and executive producer in it.  

Really? Given it's Camille Donatucci ('Golddigger') Grammar Meyer we're talking about, I'm a bit surprised! My point is whose money was used to invest in real estate, because it sure wasn't Camille's. From where would she get money to invest in the kind of real estate they owned? From her illustrious stripping career? Highly doubtful. From Kelsey, that's who.  And as far as a production company goes, again, it was Kelsey who funded that. Did she have an actual, active, go-to-work every day job? I'm highly doubting it but if you can find me evidence otherwise, I'd be happy to see it and retract what I said. Likewise as being a 'creator, writer, and executive producer'. Most 'producers' provide funding. Again, where would that money come from? Kelsey Grammar. Did Camille ever actually 'create or write' anything in her life? I've never seen her on credits for that, but if someone finds them, I'd love to see them - assuming they reflect her actually doing a job and not just paying lip service to her because she felt she deserved a credit for being Mrs. Grammer.

No, Camille doesn't get a pass from me for anything. Her modus operandi, her main raison d'etre appears to be hooking and marrying men who will keep her in the manner to which she has become accustomed and to which she feels she deserves.  That's nothing to crow about as far as I'm concerned. IMO, she is embarrassing to women who bust their humps working real jobs to provide the basics for themselves and their families whilst she swans about, looking down upon the dirty masses, all while complaining about the loss of her house in a fire when she owns - what was it? FOUR other homes - one of which I believe is right down the road ON the oceanfront (I believe it was in reno during the fire)...then there's her Hawaiian compound (purchased with that handy divorce money), and well, I don't even know where the rest of her manses are...;)

[Door County Cherry]

4 hours ago, TVFANNO1 said:

I am so shocked at how thick the make up is on all of them.   When we saw them getting done up before the show it was totally piled on like a trowel.

It showed you that they might not be as good looking without all that gunk on eh.   I really got a shock.

I think either the makeup artists were horrible or the lighting was bad or both.  I think they look fine on the show in general outside of questionable plastic surgery but the makeup looks like what happens when I apply a lot of makeup and I don't wear makeup so it was bad.   I get that sometimes you need that to look good under the lights but that didn't happen with these lights.

2 hours ago, smores said:

No one contradicts Kyle when she claims credit for what has been created at The Agency.  In her speech she talked about how she and Mauricio went and got their real estate licenses and now look at what they've built.  Yet we never see Kyle showing houses or doing paperwork.  But no one would argue that she doesn't help to promote his business, and host parties for him, etc.  So why trash Camille for doing a similar role in Kelsey's life?

I'm guessing people give more credit to Kyle because she came to the union with a working background and likely money.  She was investing in the ground up of the agency. And as partners in n business and in life, I assume they negotiated how to divide their labor to support the business growth.

I'm not saying Camille didn't deserve her settlement but her situation is different.  Kelsey already had about 14 or 15 years of being on hit sitcoms by the time they married.  Yes, they invested his money and made more but investing is easier when you have money to invest and it's easier to take risks when you have money to fall back on.  Plus, Kelsey was clearly going to have a job for the foreseeable future.

She did help him earn more money but I feel she clings to the notion of merit as if many many others couldn't have done something similar had they millions of capital at their disposal that they didn't have to raise themselves. 

[AnnA]

12 hours ago, film noire said:

I love that LVP quit the day before the reunion.  Beyond fucking brilliant. 

She didn't give these monsters a heads-up. She left them hanging.  She left Andy Cohen waiting on her decision, fidget-spinning and  drunk-dialing ("Anderson do you think LVP will come? And then I can SMASH her like I want to smash MY MOMMY?") She left Kyle dreaming of finally destroying LVP ("I will fake-cry and my tears will make deep grooves on my pancaked face like Chernobyl-ash and then pink flowered Lady Luncheons will finally be mine!") She left Teddi sitting there with her paddle-hands waving like Free Willy's giant fins cresting the water,  she left Rinna sitting there with her sickening body-shaming intact (my girls mocked fat people and now one of them is is anorexic - go figure!) as well as all the repulsive after-thoughts: Erika the morally above-it-all child abandoner, Dorit the morally indignant dog dumper,  and Denise (dear god, Denise,  who took a turn so crooked,  she is now the defender of the deeply immoral Brandi and Rinna, the shit-souled ghouls of this franchise).   Congratulations, you smug, festering suck-holed pretend-friends.  You were fucking dismissed.

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[Chit Chat]

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Such good friends, yet nobody has asked Denise these questions about Eloise before? Phony bitches. 

I remember back when LVP and Denise were talking (I think they were getting massages), and LVP asked her poignant questions about Eloise.  Then LVP invited them to her home.  It's those genuine moments that I miss.  

54 minutes ago, Sharonana said:

I also noticed this, and what's with the thick dark eyebrows? Is that en vogue? It's a horrible look. Don't like it one bit.

I've noticed this trend with young ladies.  They already have beautiful eyebrows, but then they cake on the eyebrow pencil.  It looks a little weird to me.  I'm older and my eyebrows are thinning, but I can only muster enough courage to add just a little bit of color to my eyebrows.  I couldn't be as bold as some I've seen!  To each her own though!  

[SunnyBeBe]

8 hours ago, Set Them Free said:

I didn't watch the reunion yet.  But I have to say, the thing I have come to really like about RHoNY is that the bolded above actually works there.

Dorinda can accuse Ramona of ditchng her at a party.  Ramona can "swear on her child's life" that she did not.  Dorinda can call her a liar (and be proven right).  And yet, a hour later they can hug it out, because this is not worth ditching a 20 year friendship for either of them.

Last season, I remember the entire group believed that Sonia was responsible for negative articles about Tinsley in some tabloid.  Sonia denied it.  They all thougth Sonia was lying.  Sonia didn't give a crap whether they belived her or not.  But everyone dropped it within the space of an episode moved on, because they all kind of like Sonia anyway.  

I can imagine having a friend who is a good person and a great friend, but just cannot admit to something that deep in my heart I know to be true.  I can pretend to go along with her, or I can tell her what I believe and she can tell me I am wrong.  But it shouldn't ruin a good friendship. I think it should be possible to be friends with someone, and still not believe that they are a 100% honest 100% of the time.  We all lie a little.  We all have our cherished myths and some of us have our secrets.  That shouldn't break up a real friendship.  

I really hope that they replace LVP with someone that has real friendships with members of this cast that can't be broken over minor things.  But maybe the fundamental problem with this show is that real friendships and deep relationships are harder to find among the wealthy in Beverly Hills.

 I can't imagine a true friend continuing to call me a liar, despite my earnest pledge on the lives of my children, attacking my integrity as a women and a business owner, and defending actual wrongdoers despite my pleas for fairness.  TV is one thing, but a true friend would not injure someone in that way, even for Andy Cohen, imo. 

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, gingerella said:

Really? Given it's Camille Donatucci ('Golddigger') Grammar Meyer we're talking about, I'm a bit surprised! My point is whose money was used to invest in real estate, because it sure wasn't Camille's. From where would she get money to invest in the kind of real estate they owned? From her illustrious stripping career? Highly doubtful. From Kelsey, that's who.  And as far as a production company goes, again, it was Kelsey who funded that. Did she have an actual, active, go-to-work every day job? I'm highly doubting it but if you can find me evidence otherwise, I'd be happy to see it and retract what I said. Likewise as being a 'creator, writer, and executive producer'. Most 'producers' provide funding. Again, where would that money come from? Kelsey Grammar. Did Camille ever actually 'create or write' anything in her life? I've never seen her on credits for that, but if someone finds them, I'd love to see them - assuming they reflect her actually doing a job and not just paying lip service to her because she felt she deserved a credit for being Mrs. Grammer.

No, Camille doesn't get a pass from me for anything. Her modus operandi, her main raison d'etre appears to be hooking and marrying men who will keep her in the manner to which she has become accustomed and to which she feels she deserves.  That's nothing to crow about as far as I'm concerned. IMO, she is embarrassing to women who bust their humps working real jobs to provide the basics for themselves and their families whilst she swans about, looking down upon the dirty masses, all while complaining about the loss of her house in a fire when she owns - what was it? FOUR other homes - one of which I believe is right down the road ON the oceanfront (I believe it was in reno during the fire)...then there's her Hawaiian compound (purchased with that handy divorce money), and well, I don't even know where the rest of her manses are...;)

A pole dancer who hit it big time.  Maybe the art of prostate exams helped.  50 million can buy 50 houses.  People only have one.  I don’t mind her marrying rich, but dont walk around as if you are a CEO who was educated and made a company by yourself.  She married money the easy way, not because she was smart and talented.  She slept her way up and should not be so conceited and snobby like she is.  Without those men, she would be nothing.  Talk about Denise.  What upscale snobby woman talks about squeezing prostates, strap ons and any other sex device that I never even heard of, and I am married a very long time.  My husband was even taken aghast.  She’s rich, but not classy as she thinks.  She’s got to get off her high horse.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Gem 10

[DebbieM4]

19 hours ago, Miss Slay said:

So they basically anointed Kyle as the new Queen B. I like Kyle but it couldn't be more obvious that this was a maneuver to get LVP off the show.

In reality Camille is making the show entertaining. Love her or hate her.

I agree with all of this.  The whole Queen thing was pretty transparent.  And Camille is the most entertaining part of this show, in every way.

11 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Erika was surprisingly quiet when they were going around the room answering the question about how much sex they all had per week. Unanimously, they all stated they had less than Denise was having. 

I didn't find that surprising.  For someone who's supposed to be so wild & free, and so outside the box, she's actually quite boring and predictable.

3 hours ago, parrotlover said:

 That talk last night about Nicolette Sheridan and Rinna saying people on Twitter wanted the show to make her a housewive  next season. I would so be on board with that to drive Rinna crazy.

I would love to see Nicolette Sheridan on this show.  For many reasons, but most of all because it would drive Rinna crazy.  I have a feeling Nicolette would do quite well not taking shit from anyone.  It might be just the shot in the arm this show needs!  #winwin

[AuntiePam]

6 hours ago, Raiderred said:

This franchise is quite boring even with LVP.  I just can't follow the Dorit/dog story and honestly do not care so I just FF through it.  I don't really like any of these women so I don't think I would have even noticed any one of them missing let alone LVP.  It's all so inorganic.

"Inorganic" -- perfect description.  Maybe that's the problem.  I think the show is a very small part of these women's real lives.  They have interests and friends outside of the show.  It may have been fun for awhile, but it seems that the old-timers are phoning it in, and the newbies (Erika and Denise) don't really care. 

Well, except for Teddi -- she cares too much.  My gosh, the woman practices a stone face so she won't cry (and then she cries anyway).

I'm not sure that Dorit even cares anymore, but she probably needs the paycheck.

Kyle's extensions were awful.  It was like she had a cocker spaniel on her shoulder.

[LibertarianSlut]

This didn't occur to me until today, but with LVP's quitting, I feel...vindicated.  I don't know if that's the perfect word, but at the beginning of the season, I was a strong advocate for the idea that LVP should remove herself from the show (and get off-camera professional support) if she couldn't perform due to personal circumstances.  A counter-idea formed that essentially went: if LVP was to do that--essentially "quitting"--that she would be hit with all kinds of fines, including having to reimburse Bravo for past seasons' pay (!).  I was vocal at the time that 1.) penalty clauses in contracts are generally unenforceable and; 2.) even if everything alleged about the financial injury were true, it wasn't an excuse to go on TV and act like an asshole if you're Lisa VanderBucks (someone who can't keep a roof over their head or feed their children has a better argument).

So...taking a leave of absence from reality TV while you grieve (which might result in a firing) is a bridge too far, but taking your toys and going home when you don't like your edit or whatever she did was empowering?  That sounds like logic being turned on its head.  Also, should we be looking forward to a LVP bankruptcy filing anytime soon, or is she going to be just fine, as was my position from the beginning?  

This is all just food for thought that I'm bandying about.  I'm always interested in seeing all the facets of the way a discussion could play out.  I think Lisa's actions are silly and betray a lack of character, but she is alone in her decision, and she is the only one I judge.

[albarino]

5 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I hate to quote Yolanda, but, Who is Camille Grammer in this world? Ok, she was married to Kelsey, but is/was Charlie's career just as, if not more lucrative?,

I laugh at the Camille talk.  Who cares who she is?  She married well and didn't have a pre-nup.  Her husband cheated on her and she was awarded half of his wealth (as the law allowed).  Good for her.  Why does she need to be as recognizable as Denise?  I don't watch the show anymore but read these boards.  I don't see this as some sort of contest.  

[Chit Chat]

16 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

...but taking your toys and going home when you don't like your edit or whatever she did was empowering?

I don't think it was the edit that she didn't like, it was the ladies basically calling her a liar.  She doesn't have to put up with that shit.  It doesn't bother me that she quit the way she did.  She doesn't need the money, and she doesn't need the aggravation from this show.  I wouldn't hang around to be their punching bag either.  Yeah, Andy's got his shorts in a wad, but he'll get over it.  It's just a silly reality show and he'll find other women to join the show.  Then we'll get to watch them all slowly turn on each other again.  It's the recipe for these shows.  

Kyle can wear that Queen Bee crown if she wants to, but it'll come with a price.  They'll eventually turn on her.  I've never viewed any of these women as the Queen Bee, but rather a group with a few of them possessing more class than others.  That has been in short supply this season though.

[DebbieM4]

15 minutes ago, albarino said:

I laugh at the Camille talk.  Who cares who she is?  She married well and didn't have a pre-nup.  Her husband cheated on her and she was awarded half of his wealth (as the law allowed).  Good for her.  Why does she need to be as recognizable as Denise?  I don't watch the show anymore but read these boards.  I don't see this as some sort of contest.  

I don't see why it needs to be a contest either. 

I actually knew of Camille long before I had ever heard of Denise.  Camille is certainly not a big celebrity, but she's not an actress so of course most people hadn't heard of her or knew too much about her.  It makes no sense to compare her to a working actress (who I would never think of as a major celebrity anyway).

Good for Camille for getting the money she did.  There's not one thing wrong with that.  Denise made her own choice, so good for her too.  I wish they had been guided to talk about what actually happened on the show rather than this nonsense which has nothing to do with anything.

[BluBrd47]

13 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

This didn't occur to me until today, but with LVP's quitting, I feel...vindicated.  I don't know if that's the perfect word, but at the beginning of the season, I was a strong advocate for the idea that LVP should remove herself from the show (and get off-camera professional support) if she couldn't perform due to personal circumstances.  A counter-idea formed that essentially went: if LVP was to do that--essentially "quitting"--that she would be hit with all kinds of fines, including having to reimburse Bravo for past seasons' pay (!).  I was vocal at the time that 1.) penalty clauses in contracts are generally unenforceable and; 2.) even if everything alleged about the financial injury were true, it wasn't an excuse to go on TV and act like an asshole if you're Lisa VanderBucks (someone who can't keep a roof over their head or feed their children has a better argument).

So...taking a leave of absence from reality TV while you grieve (which might result in a firing) is a bridge too far, but taking your toys and going home when you don't like your edit or whatever she did was empowering?  That sounds like logic being turned on its head.  Also, should we be looking forward to a LVP bankruptcy filing anytime soon, or is she going to be just fine, as was my position from the beginning?  

This is all just food for thought that I'm bandying about.  I'm always interested in seeing all the facets of the way a discussion could play out.  I think Lisa's actions are silly and betray a lack of character, but she is alone in her decision, and she is the only one I judge.

Also, what does the way the other women treated LVP have to do with LVP’s relationship with production. Now I agree that Andy is a satanic shit stirrer. But she was with Bravo for nearly ten years and they gave her plenty of perks. I’ve totally walked out of jobs I hated on short notice before in a huff, but those jobs never made me famous! (Yes I know that LVP was a successful restaurant owner pre-Bravo. But let’s not deny it helped her star rise significantly.)

Edited July 18, 2019 by BluBrd47

[chlban]

6 hours ago, Sarah Heart said:

Then she fits right in,  with the other assholes left on this show

Exactly.

[chlban]

5 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Exactly. Most people know Denise Richards, and not just because of the tabloids/Charlie. She is a well known actress and the biggest star this show has had. And yet she’s so much more down to earth than Camille. 

Really? If not for Charlie I would not have a clue who she is. As far as "down to earth" maybe she is  but to me Trashy is a better description.

[hoodooznoodooz]

10 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Because she decided she was quitting.  By not coming, that's how she finalized it.  She would have likely been fired so not showing meant not coming back. 

Wait. Did LVP quit, or did Frankel get her fired? 😉 

[DebbieM4]

3 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I don't think it was the edit that she didn't like, it was the ladies basically calling her a liar.  She doesn't have to put up with that shit.  It doesn't bother me that she quit the way she did.  She doesn't need the money, and she doesn't need the aggravation from this show.  I wouldn't hang around to be their punching bag either.  Yeah, Andy's got his shorts in a wad, but he'll get over it.  It's just a silly reality show and he'll find other women to join the show.  Then we'll get to watch them all slowly turn on each other again.  It's the recipe for these shows.  

I totally agree.  It wasn't the edit - It was the ongoing theme of being called a liar by pretty much everyone.  They were like dogs with bones.  Who would voluntarily stick around for that?  How many times can you go thru, "You're a liar!", "No, I'm not!", "Yes, you are!".  That would be tiresome under the best of circumstances, and these were not the best of circumstances.  The problem wasn't the edit - It was the reality of what she was actually living through.  I'm sure that was the issue for her.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Just now, chlban said:

Really? If not for Charlie I would not have a clue who she is. As far as "down to earth" maybe she is  but to me Trashy is a better description.

Yes, really. She was never a great actress but she did have a pretty big career prior to her marriage to Charlie Sheen.  I don't think of her as particularly trashy (though more prone to talk about her sex life than I would ever do) but I would say that "trashy" and "down to earth" aren't actually in opposition to each other.  A person can be both. 

[Chit Chat]

4 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't think of her as particularly trashy (though more prone to talk about her sex life than I would ever do) but I would say that "trashy" and "down to earth" aren't actually in opposition to each other. 

I find her to be down to earth, but I think she goes into too much detail about personal things, which can come across as trashy.  Maybe she's trying to be shocking with the sex talk (like many of them do,) but color me unimpressed with hearing the details of such things.  I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, so there's really nothing very shocking to me these days - as I'm sure is the case with many of you fine folks.  The need to impress people with one's supposed sexual prowess is so passé.   Yawn!  

[amypdx]

12 hours ago, Choco9 said:

It is so funny how people can see totally different things in the show.  I think Camille (and, agan, I am no fan) was annoyed that Andy was trying to make her taking a divorce settlement an affront to Denise, somehow.  Camille answered as to why she kept her last name and Denise jumps in, "I couldn't WAIT to get rid of mine, sorry" which was egging Camille on.  Side note, Denise, did anyone on the face of this planet ever refer to you as Denise Sheen?  No.  Shut up.

The whole thing was set up to pit Camille against Denise and Camille tried to say, "Okay... good for you, not the same scenario" basically, but she handles everything horribly so it came out looking like the battle Andy wanted.

That’s Denise Estevez to you!

[amypdx]

11 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Like, "Why didn't you just return the dog to Lisa, Dorit?!"?

Or “who did you give the dog to in the first place?”  My theory has been that she gave it to a cleaning woman or other employee who then dumped it at the shelter.