S11.E18: Reunion Part 1

[Mrs peel]

15 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I think that Luann asked Bethenny/Dennis for the $6M when she was on a drunken bender.  It seemed like her memory of it was slightly fuzzy, and that is why she asked Bethenny to explain it all.  

It could have been a drunken, rambling phone call that Luann didn't remember making, and of course, Bethenny, who never forgets anything (and often exaggerates the truth a bit), probably keeps throwing that back in Luann's face.

It sounded to me like Luann was in the middle of a drug and/or alcohol fueled mental breakdown, and she called multiple people asking for money for a house she certainly, in a sane moment, would have realized she could never afford.  In another sane moment, she would never have thought any of the people she called would give her money.

the part of the conversation about how Dennis connected her with a “brilliant” lawyer who told her “things my own lawyer never knew” sounded like bullshit.  Or Luann needed to fire her lawyer.  Her case wasn’t that complicated - she was a rich(ish) drunk woman in a posh town used to rich(ish) drunks.  Complication of hitting a cop, but likely not that unusual.  She checks into rehab, repents, gets supervision.  We all knew that would happen for crying out loud!

B really does need to sit down and make a list (oh ok, dictate a list to one of her minions/friends) of the various stories she has told about Dennis, along with dates.  Because I heard a ton of contradictory information about their “love match”.  Not the least of which was - how long were they together and how long had they known each other?

B must be paying these new guys, or they desperately want to be on TV or in Page Six, I can’t see any other reason someone would be with her.

kudos to the person who found the Sonja dress on another website, why that company doesn’t sue her is a mystery to me.  And that dress looked terrible on her.  Wasn’t a fan of most of the clothes, and the usually ok Luann wore a dress with a slit way, way too high.

[geauxaway]

5 hours ago, Real Housewife LI said:

People make such a BIG deal that Dennis, Paul etc are still married but are dating...ie:you’re dating a married man.....,when people have the amount of money and assets that they do divorces can take years and years....,my sister in law was nowhere near as wealthy as them and her divorce took 6 years to finalize....real estate had to be sold, stocks divided etc. they actually considered tax implications etc as to when to finalize. They were both engaged to other people yet still “married” to each other. 

Its not a big deal...at all.

Until someone dies.  Then it really does matter.  

50 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

I think I was stunned a lil bit when right after speaking about Dennis, Beth says...."hard pill to swallow." 

I woke my dog up yelling, "OH SHIT!"

SHALLOW Moment.....

NYC is on top of my Bravo must haves but I did not like the dresses this year;/  

When was this filmed?  They all look so “autumn,” yet we are in the dog days of summer.   

[chewycandy]

I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Sonja taped her face back? What? And Andy said that’s how old Hollywood did it. I guess I’ve sort of heard about that before, but why would she need to?

[ButterQueen]

27 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Sonja taped her face back? What? And Andy said that’s how old Hollywood did it. I guess I’ve sort of heard about that before, but why would she need to?

I read that Lucille Ball used to tape her face back.

What was with Beth’s hair and the tiny pieces of bangs showing through?

Dorinda was a bitch about her dress, among other things.

Glad to see Ramona relegated to the end of the couch.

i don’t believe that Beth has anything on Andy, I just think he favors her because they are friends.

[chewycandy]

2 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

What was with Beth’s hair and the tiny pieces of bangs showing through?

That bothered me too. If you want the stick straight look, tuck it behind the ear. It’s distracting. 

[Dutchgirl]

Sonja's dress is hideous.

[Giselle]

5 hours ago, chewycandy said:

I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but Sonja taped her face back? What? And Andy said that’s how old Hollywood did it. I guess I’ve sort of heard about that before, but why would she need to?

She probably used a Mark Traynor Face Lift Kit. They also have one for a neck lift. Makeup artists still use them for shaping features. Little tapes and strings with tiny clips. You attach the strings to the tapes, apply the tapes to the face in the direction you want the pull to go then pull & secure. The strings are hidden in the hair.

You can buy the kit online & some beauty supply shops carry them.

Robin Williams used one for a scene in Mrs. Doubtfire. If you watch Grace and Frankie, Jane Fonda takes one down in the first part of Season 1 ep. 1.

[chlban]

I am just going to say that I am sad to see the season end. This is my favorite of the franchises. As a CA girl, born and raised, (and living in the OC since 1983) I love seeing the NY real estate porn as well as the whole social scene. What struck me this season though is that I actually like these women. Don't get me wrong, every one of them have things I don't like about them, sometimes their actions are just awful, but I still like them. They are also clearly real friends. Unlike the vile, phony foul mouthed famewhores that are now all that are left on BH, these women do care about each other. They may fight like crazy, throw shade and gossip but, when it counts, they have each others backs. So, I am going to miss my old New York friends, that I have never met, until we get together again sometime next year.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I just woke up and caught reunion and GODDAMNIT I AM SINGING "FEELING JOVANI"!!! earworm! 

[hypnotoad]

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but why does Bethenny get to steamroll all over everyone? 

I gotta be honest, I much preferred this show when Bethenny wasn't on it. I used to enjoy her but since her return? She is mute and ignore material for me which of course was nearly impossible for this episode because all she did was talk and talk and talk.

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This is my favorite of the franchises.

Mine too though to be fair the only other one I've watched is BH! I hardly ever watch 'reality' shows but my sister got me into NYC and we used to watch together. Well her in Texas and me in Florida and then call during commercials!

[lasu]

9 hours ago, geauxaway said:

Until someone dies.  Then it really does matter.  

Why? Unless they don't have an updated will, I don't see why it matters. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

10 hours ago, DebbieM4 said:

I actually like Dorinda (most of the time), but yes, that long ponytail is awful!

I think she is so beautiful, but yeah I just realllllllllllly don't like that look on her.  

[Yours Truly]

14 hours ago, ChitChat said:

What she has done is great, but it doesn't negate the fact that she can't sing very well.  I think the ladies get irritated at being expected to make continued appearances at her shows.  I could handle one or two of them, but any more than that wouldn't be something I'd want to do.  I think they've seen enough.  It would be like Tinsley being Ringmaster of the circus every night for months.  Sure, the ladies would go a few times, but after that they'd be done! 

I understand that this is LuAnn's big moment, but I can also understand why the ladies get tired of hearing about it.   I do think they were unfair to her in certain moments, but on the other hand, LuAnn can be rather snobbish about things.  I think the ladies need to be a little more understanding about her struggle with alcohol, but LuAnn needs to tone it down with the "show biz" talk.  

That’s all the season has been the women are irritated. I didn’t see anything that warranted the ridiculous gang ups and constant negative mean girl gossip and antics towards Lu. Completely mean spirited all around. And sure they can be annoyed but it’s the negative energy and volatile behavior they allow themselves to aim at Lu. It’s way over board and I really don’t appreciate how they constantly try to strong arm her into conceding that her accomplishment ain’t all that. They constantly put it down. That ain’t cool. And on what premise?  That they’ve been to enough shows and they are done? Ok then don’t go to anymore and let Lu pout. Won’t kill anyone. Don’t want to hear about cabaret they tell her the topic is off limits and change the subject. I mean even if the topic keeps coming up then leave the room or I don’t know let her say her piece and be an adult. I get through eyeroll portions of conversations with friends all the time really ain’t that hard. If a part of a conversation aggravated me cause I think my friend is being full of herself I chuckle and say “you’re so fucking hysterical would you shut up with that shit already my ears are about to bleed” then she’ll call me a bitch we will laugh and then talk about something else. Simple. 

These women pretend that it’s some huge traumatic experience that they have no idea how to maneuver through aside from being down right mean to Lu. It’s absolutely ridiculous how unhinged they become about it. Lu’s bad behavior isn’t that extreme at least not melt downs and crying fits inducing bad. It’s the festering and mean spirited jabs, digs and gang ups that has made it into a more damaging problem. Lu can’t sing, wants the women to attend to shows, relishes her new act and is very pleased with herself. As annoying as those things may be it ain’t no catastrophic event. The women being so mean about it is what mainly fed the nonsense. Hearing them try to lay a lot of it at Lu’s feet bugs me cause all in all I didn’t see anything that needed those extremely negative responses to Lu. 

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, lasu said:

Why? Unless they don't have an updated will, I don't see why it matters. 

Well in NY the surviving spouse is required by law to receive 1/3 of the estate regardless of the will.

[hypnotoad]

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I understand that this is LuAnn's big moment, but I can also understand why the ladies get tired of hearing about it.

On the one hand I get that - she cannot sing and has been a bit overboard about it all. On the other hand though, we and they have had years of skinny girl crap, Ramona's wine and skin care and whatever it is that Sonya does. I mean we had Jill's business with Bobby. We had Carole and her stuff. We've had housewives with different business ventures.

So they cannot suffer Lu's one thing? And if they don't want to go to another performance, don't go and too bad if she is upset. Or maybe explain to her that you just don't feel like seeing another performance.

The whole she's so full of herself stuff is stupid too because first, duh! And second, all of them are full of themselves! Bethenny is a thousand times worse than Lu as far as that goes.

[lasu]

8 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Well in NY the surviving spouse is required by law to receive 1/3 of the estate regardless of the will.

OK?  I know you're not the original poster, but I still don't see where death suddenly makes dating someone who is still legally married would make it suddenly a big deal.

I can see if someone where injured and unable to speak for themselves, it might get tricky.  My ex and I have never legally divorced, so we are still each other next of kins.  This is actually fine with me, I trust him completely, and even better for him, because if we divorce, his parents become his next.  I love them dearly, but they are Jehoviah's Witnesses and my semi ex husband is not.  If something happened to him, he has been clear he would want me to overrule his parents and pump him full of that sweet, sweet blood.  And I would.  

[biakbiak]

57 minutes ago, lasu said:

know you're not the original poster, but I still don't see where death suddenly makes dating someone who is still legally married would make it suddenly a big deal.

Well in the Bethenny/Dennis situation I think it’s because she made a big deal about how they were engaged/not engaged, that he wanted to marry her more than anything in the world blah blah blah but he never heard even took the first step to divorcing his wife to make that possible. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

1 hour ago, hypnotoad said:

On the one hand I get that - she cannot sing and has been a bit overboard about it all. On the other hand though, we and they have had years of skinny girl crap, Ramona's wine and skin care and whatever it is that Sonya does. I mean we had Jill's business with Bobby. We had Carole and her stuff. We've had housewives with different business ventures.

So they cannot suffer Lu's one thing? And if they don't want to go to another performance, don't go and too bad if she is upset. Or maybe explain to her that you just don't feel like seeing another performance.

The whole she's so full of herself stuff is stupid too because first, duh! And second, all of them are full of themselves! Bethenny is a thousand times worse than Lu as far as that goes.

Hard to disagree with most of ^this, I'll just say that Lu should try to find some sense of humor in which to wrap her self-adoration.  That's the problem really.  She really does think she's Billy Holiday Deux.

[lasu]

44 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Well in the Bethenny/Dennis situation I think it’s because she made a big deal about how they were engaged/not engaged, that he wanted to marry her more than anything in the world blah blah blah but he never heard even took the first step to divorcing his wife to make that possible. 

Now this I get.  I do agree it doesn't make much sense to plan to get remarried when you aren't planning (actively) to get divorced.  The OP just had said it mattered if you were dating someone who died while they were still legally married, and I'm not following the reasoning.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, hypnotoad said:

And if they don't want to go to another performance, don't go and too bad if she is upset. Or maybe explain to her that you just don't feel like seeing another performance.

Ramona did do that by planning the surprise birthday party on the same night as LuAnn's cabaret act.  We see how she felt about that!  She insisted that they stop by to wish her luck - that's "show biz" don't 'cha know! 😉   Then when they did do what she wanted, she practically threw them out of her dressing room and acted like they shouldn't have been there.  You just can't win with LuAnn.  Granted, Bethenny and them piling on like they did at dinner was terrible, and I don't agree with how they went after her, but not all of their issues are with her cabaret act, it's her uppity attitude about being a star that seems to be the issue.  

I've always liked LuAnn, but I can understand some of the complaints the ladies have with her, and some of it is stuff they need to just let go of.  I do think that Dorinda is being a bit of an ass to LuAnn.  She apologized at the reunion, so it would be nice if Dorinda would pipe down now and get back to being friends with LuAnn.  Dorinda runs very hot and cold, IMO.  She's okay with a person one minute, then the next minute they're on her shit list.  Go figure.  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 7/11/2019 at 10:16 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

  There is very little that doesn't look ridiculous when grown women spend a day decked out in full hair, makeup and dress to hash out their petty grievances sitting in a semi-circle 

Right now I'm "Feelin So Sorry" that I even turned this on.  The only one I am rooting for is silence.  

I had to laugh when Lu got our her handbag to find her cell phone for the Dorinda texts. That bag did NOT go with her black dress and fake ass bedazzled dressed up trappings, it matched with the jeans and boots she wore TO the reunion. I literally giggled because it was NOT accessorized with her reunion outfit. So fake. 

LOVE "Feelin So Sorry" LOL 

On 7/11/2019 at 11:36 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

In the past, I've hand-waived comments chalking up Bethenny's casual vulgarity to her "New York" roots, because, let's face it, there is so much more to complain about with regard to Bethenny, but tonight she ended all that.

I don't think much of what Bethenny has to say means anything.  

Bethenny's non stop talking and shock value comes from a life of trying to get attention for her perceived gap of what her parents didn't provide.  That is all her schtick is. It's sick.  Someone needs to tell her that her father is dead. If she wants attention from her mother she is currently alive and there is probably a path to that if Bethenny can accept it won't be on her terms completely. Won't happen. Poor Bryn. Bethenny could have real therapy with all her money but she chooses reality TV to whore out her feelings and get that attention/supply!  

On 7/12/2019 at 11:52 AM, Yours Truly said:

This is what I think he actually did but that would just mean Beth overstepped her place by expecting a Mother's Day with him so instead she decided he stood her up in order to be in bed all day.

Does that explanation really jive? Not to me it doesn't. 

Right? I mean, shouldn't Bethenny be focusing on Mother's Day w/her daughter? HE is going to provide her with a great Mother's Day? Okkkkkk. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[izabella]

34 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I've always liked LuAnn, but I can understand some of the complaints the ladies have with her, and some of it is stuff they need to just let go of.  I do think that Dorinda is being a bit of an ass to LuAnn.  She apologized at the reunion, so it would be nice if Dorinda would pipe down now and get back to being friends with LuAnn.  Dorinda runs very hot and cold, IMO.  She's okay with a person one minute, then the next minute they're on her shit list.  Go figure.  

From what was shown of the preview for the next part of the reunion, Dorinda goes in again on Lu, so she is not done despite Lu's apology.

[sasha206]

15 hours ago, lasu said:

I'm another person whose hair is too thin for braids (I have on CLIP ON HAIR in my profile pic, shhhhhh!), so I think no one of any age should be able to wear them because I'm so super jelly.  But I'm 44, and I'm so not down with the idea I'm too old to wear certain looks.  I've also outgrown the idea that only women with certain shapes should wear certain outfits.  I used to judge heavier women wearing skimpy or tight clothes, and now I'm like, girl, do you.  It seems like younger women today (I am soooo old! lol) seem to be embracing that more than generations past, and I think it's great. I wish had spent a lot less time judging other women for shit that literally has no ill effect on anyone.  Sometimes I definitely see still an ugly or unflattering outfit, of course, but I really try not to let age or body shape influence what I find unattractive, because that's all of bunch of bullshit that was handed down to me, and I do my best to reject it and not pass it on.

Guess what -- people can actually have opinions and not actually be judgmental.   I'm not strolling around telling women what not to wear in person.  I'm simply commenting on a message board about my views on what these reality stars are wearing and my personal opinions on what I feel is age appropriate.  

Edited July 13, 2019 by sasha206

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

Ramona did do that by planning the surprise birthday party on the same night as LuAnn's cabaret act.  We see how she felt about that!  She insisted that they stop by to wish her luck - that's "show biz" don't 'cha know! 😉   Then when they did do what she wanted, she practically threw them out of her dressing room and acted like they shouldn't have been there.  You just can't win with LuAnn.  Granted, Bethenny and them piling on like they did at dinner was terrible, and I don't agree with how they went after her, but not all of their issues are with her cabaret act, it's her uppity attitude about being a star that seems to be the issue.  

I've always liked LuAnn, but I can understand some of the complaints the ladies have with her, and some of it is stuff they need to just let go of.  I do think that Dorinda is being a bit of an ass to LuAnn.  She apologized at the reunion, so it would be nice if Dorinda would pipe down now and get back to being friends with LuAnn.  Dorinda runs very hot and cold, IMO.  She's okay with a person one minute, then the next minute they're on her shit list.  Go figure.  

I also think the other issue the ladies had with Lu is how much Lu wanted to promote her cabaret during the show.  Lu already had the Halloween performance, her trip to her new house and coincidentally another cabaret, Lu wanting to get her picture with the ad for her upcoming cabaret in Miami, etc the ladies did not want to participate in another event--the Christmas show.  There was a good possibility that the season would end with Lu's cabaret being the closing party just like the season before.  They were upset that Lu was hogging all the camera time.  Now, they just can't come out and admit this, so they are saying the issue is Lu's attitude. 

Now if Ramona and the other women would be willing to shell out money, then this might not have been an issue.  Bethanny did throw together that final party after Lu's cabaret to ensure her party would make it on camera and possibly  be the season closer.  Ramona in particular seems to be too cheap to shell out the money for a large bash so her events can easily end up on the cutting room floor or just be a total shitshow like that charity thing and the hastily thrown together surprise party.  Has Tinsley thrown a party for the cameras since the one where she gave Sonja the $5000 gift card?  Lu is giving Bravo material for the show, the rest are not.  That is why she got the lion's share of the edit this season.

[lasu]

22 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I'm simply commenting on a message board about my views on what these reality stars are wearing and my personal opinions on what I feel is age appropriate.  

Which is perfectly fine, but myself and others are going to push back on the idea that something is "age appropriate," like braids or high ponies.

[hypnotoad]

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I'll just say that Lu should try to find some sense of humor in which to wrap her self-adoration.

Oh I agree. I wish she'd be a bit more 'no I cannot sing but hey it's fun' rather than pretending she's an actual singer. And I wish she'd stop saying stuff about show biz. Lawd.

Though I will say this, there are a number of folks on the music charts (past and present) who cannot sing all that well and who even talk sing. I will grant you they have much better songs than anything Lu has done on this show but still a great voice isn't always a prerequisite to a singing career.

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Lu is giving Bravo material for the show, the rest are not.  That is why she got the lion's share of the edit this season.

And there it is. She has dominated the 'storylines' in the last couple of seasons to be sure. I get where the others are pissy because they aren't getting the screen time. I mean Ramona, Sonya, Dorinda and Tinsley because of course Bethenny always has screen time.

[sasha206]

42 minutes ago, lasu said:

Which is perfectly fine, but myself and others are going to push back on the idea that something is "age appropriate," like braids or high ponies.

Right.   I have no problem with opinions.  I have problems with people acting as though they are above it all and essentially calling others judgmental because they have an opinion contrary to yours.

Edited July 13, 2019 by sasha206

[HunterHunted]

21 hours ago, lizajane said:

Rumour has it that Beth has a lot of dirt on ol' Andy.

21 hours ago, gingerella said:

I find it difficult to believe that Andy would have any fucks to give about dirt anyone would have on him. He seems unperturbed about any revelations about himself on TV, and he regularly gloats about this and that. I don't think he gives a shit. I mean, look at his WWHL show - it's a swirling lawsuit waiting to happen with all the objectification that goes on regularly. Naw, I think that's a rumor someone started for shits and giggles.

19 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I keep waiting for some young guy to come out that he was #metoo'd by him.  Based on how fucking pervy he is on WWHL it surprises me it hasn't happened yet

I keep wondering what this alleged dirt could be. Andy is completely indiscrete. He won't date anyone over 30. He's selfish and bad in bed because he doesn't care if his partner gets off. He never bottoms. He does a ton of drugs. He sleeps with fans during his book and AC squared tours. And once when he was in LA possibly to tape a reunion, he had sex with some dude (unknown about his age) under the stands at Beverly Hills High School. And I know this because he talks about this stuff constantly on WWHL, his radio show, in interviews, and in his books. I'm not even really sure what he might consider enough dirt that Bethenny could blackmail him to get her way: sexual predator, cannibal, small dick? It's probably a small dick.

[lasu]

6 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I have problems with people acting as though they are above it all and essentially calling others judgmental because they have an opinion contrary to yours.

Since this is pretty obviously directed at me and spiraling down, I'm going to bow out of the conversation and just say to you like I do women in their 50s wearing a high pony, girl, do you.  

[sasha206]

15 minutes ago, lasu said:

Since this is pretty obviously directed at me and spiraling down, I'm going to bow out of the conversation and just say to you like I do women in their 50s wearing a high pony, girl, do you.  

Ha, I'll take it.  I actually just came back to say sorry I'm being a bitch.  

[gingerella]

17 minutes ago, lasu said:

Since this is pretty obviously directed at me and spiraling down, I'm going to bow out of the conversation and just say to you like I do women in their 50s wearing a high pony, girl, do you.  

I'm in my 50's and wear a pony tail, what's your point?

[lasu]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Ha, I'll take it.  I actually just came back to say sorry I'm being a bitch.  

That was nice, and a better way to end things.  Thank you, and same to you.

Just now, gingerella said:

I'm in my 50's and wear a pony tail, what's your point?

Nope, I'm on the side of you wear what you want, regardless.  That's why I say, girl, do you.  I'm supportive of your choices!

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, lasu said:

That was nice, and a better way to end things.  Thank you, and same to you.

Yes indeed much better way.   And thank you for being classy and accepting my apology! 

Also, I do like pony tails.  Just the full pony, not the high pony with the rest of the hair out.  😉 

[lasu]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

Yes indeed much better way.   And thank you for being classy and accepting my apology! 

LOL, are we drunk in the women's bathroom??  Because things just got very supportive with a swiftness.  I'm literally laughing out loud.  And pleased!

[sasha206]

2 minutes ago, lasu said:

LOL, are we drunk in the women's bathroom??  Because things just got very supportive with a swiftness.  I'm literally laughing out loud.  And pleased!

OMG yes.  I love you already!  

[sasha206]

6 minutes ago, lasu said:

LOL, are we drunk in the women's bathroom??  Because things just got very supportive with a swiftness.  I'm literally laughing out loud.  And pleased!

I am, however, heading out to get drunk.  Will drunk message you later, my new BFF.  😋

[film noire]

18 hours ago, lasu said:

I would find it super weird if something happened to him, and people tried to give me support over his girlfriend.  I mean, I would be DEVASTATED, but I wouldn't feel like his widow, though technically I would be.  

I think Jill Shields did feel/act like the widow.

Between telling the world they were not divorced/never separated, her comments re: his death (Dennis being "the love of her life",  nobody understanding their marriage but the two of them) the media stories about Jill not wanting Frankel at the funeral (followed by Shields herself posting her anger re: trying to protect her kids from  years of "negative press" due to "useless ratings" and the insult of having paps at the funeral, just to feed "d rated news") and the overall way family and friends closed ranks - to me, it  looked like Jill Shields found it perfectly natural to be treated as his widow. 

As to dating a married man who dies - in this case,  I think it could  it could have gone badly for Frankel,  if Shields had played tit-for-tat with the publicity machine Bethenny set in motion (the one Frankel used to plant stories she was engaged to Dennis,  get photos of Frankel sobbing as she faced the cameras at his funeral,  photos of her wearing Dennis' ring to custody court).  Shields could have thrown a wrench in Frankel's image (and maybe even her custody battle. Frankel is seeking not just sole custody, but also to "minimize Hoppy’s interaction with Bryn or have it supervised" in order to "prevent further harm" to Bryn.  If Shields took a page out of Frankel's own playbook,  she could have painted a media picture of Bethenny that left the woman looking unfit to have a houseplant).

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 I was more disturbed tonight when Beth said that she's in a better place today because Dennis is gone. Holy Mother of God, there is something truly wrong with her. What a disgusting, indefensible thing to say. 

Agreed - I can't imagine how ugly this season/reunion must have been for Dennis' family.  To know someone is using the death of a man you  loved must be enraging and depressing. And the way it was done - so dirty and toxic - not one moment was in honour of the man himself.  His whole existence reduced to a storyline - one built on lies and contradictory versions of the same me me me/poor Bethenny theme.  Engaged/not engaged.  Hope he didn't kill himself because of me/thank god I'm free at last.  Can't even draw breath my grief is so vast/I was settling because I thought I didn't deserve a grand love. Great guy/always there for me and Bryn. Not a great guy/he always blew me off  (except when he tried to lure me to my death - THEN he turned up.)  Spectral love notes and death wishes,   all my best,  Dennis.  

May this be the last reunion the man ever attends.

Edited July 13, 2019 by film noire
a whole mess of things!

[Mardo2044]

On 7/11/2019 at 11:43 PM, Emmeline said:

I didn’t like that Dorinda is now mocking Luann’s $400 Jovani dresses.  She seemed to appreciate the brand before LuAnn started wearing them at her shows.  That company could not even keep up with demand after they dresses were worn on the show.  That said, both Jovani and Naeem Kahn are available at Nieman Marcus.  I believe this is Dorinda’s reunion dress on sale for $585.

Yes. That wasn't cool of Dorinda.  Luann actually looks really good in Jovani.  It just shows me that Dorinda is still hurt about Luann not being appreciative.

[lasu]

18 minutes ago, film noire said:

As to dating a married man who dies - in this case,  I think it could have gone badly for Frankel, if Shields had played tit-for-tat with the publicity machine Bethenny set in motion (the one Frankel used to plant stories she was engaged to Dennis,  get pap pictures of Frankel sobbing as she faced the cameras at his funeral, and photos of her wearing Dennis' ring to custody court).  Shields could have thrown a wrench in Frankel's public image (and maybe even her custody battle. Frankel is seeking not just sole custody, but also to "minimize Hoppy’s interaction with Bryn or have it supervised" in order to "prevent further harm" to Bryn.  If Shields took a page out of Frankel's own playbook,  she could have painted a media picture of Bethenny that left the woman looking unfit to have a houseplant).

But she could have done this when Dennis was alive, right?  I guess at the end of the day, I just don't see it as a big deal to date someone who is still legally wed, provided the marriage is over.  Jill Shields was dating someone else, too, right?  Again, I would be devastated if my semi-ex died and I don't have nearly the history with him that Dennis and Jill did.  And absolutely I agree that Bethenny has been messy and not at all sympathetic to the other people Dennis left behind.  I'm sure that is very hard on his family, but I don't think it would have made much difference if her behavior happened after his divorced death rather than his still married death.  She makes it seem like she was the only person on earth Dennis cared about, and of course that is going to cause hurt and resentment.  

As someone who has been legally separated for OVER A DECADE, I obviously look at this differently than most! And I have absolutely had men not want to date me because of my status, and I totally get it.  It absolutely clues you in on some of my real character flaws, and I don't blame someone for finding not getting divorced for 11 years a major red flag.  But just not because I'm still married-married.  I'm not.  I'm not cheating on my semi ex in anyway, nor he is cheating on me when he dates.

[Mardo2044]

On 7/12/2019 at 12:10 AM, Jextella said:

When Lu didn't thank Dorinda for the dress on stage, Dorinda sulked and became belligerent, and it was downhill from there.  In the end, both were just trying to get their slice of the pie.
 

Yes, this exactly.  And then Luann seems to always expect Dorinda to apologize but it's rare it goes the other way.  I guess the reunion forced Luann to say the fish room was an overreaction.  Hard to believe she talked about writing a book on etiquette and class.

[TzuShih]

I think Sonja is a lovely looking lady when she pays attention to clothing and make-up with a little 'class.'  That teal dress just made me feel sad.  (Though I COULD see it making quite a hit at NY costume parties.  Perhaps its sales will go up during next season's Greenwich Village Halloween Parade.  I can envision a lot of "Sonyas" tripping along Sixth Avenue - and getting rounds of applause.)

That said, I truly wish Sonja would do herself justice....check/recheck the mirror and, sometimes, just say "no."

[film noire]

50 minutes ago, lasu said:

But she could have done this when Dennis was alive, right?

Absolutely -  I think his death matters  (in terms of Bethenny's image) because media sympathy for a widow (surrouded by four kids) is greater than media sympathy for an on again/off again girlfriend who was already dating her current boyfriend less than six weeks later.  

Re: dating a married man who dies in general  (not Bethenny related) - aren't there stories of widows and mistresses suing each other/the estate over real estate/family heirlooms and  even frozen sperm?  

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 I guess at the end of the day, I just don't see it as a big deal to date someone who is still legally wed, provided the marriage is over.

Sure - if Jill Shields had said something indicating the marriage was over,  that would be a different ballgame -  what she did instead was make it clear they were not divorced or even legally separated.

Do you say that if you're trying to make the point you're not actually married anymore? 

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As someone who has been legally separated for OVER A DECADE, I obviously look at this differently than most! 

Good on you and your ex for finding a way that works so well for you both (and double bravo given the religious element. To have to stand by while he was denied a blood transfusion would be devastating, I'm sure).  

Edited July 13, 2019 by film noire

[ShawnaLanne]

Finally watched this episode and oh my God, I like Bethenny, but shut up about Dennis! If I have to hear about how Dennis tried to pull her to the otherside with him one more time. Shut up! He had kids, be respectful.

[Cherrio]

50 minutes ago, Mardo2044 said:

And then Luann seems to always expect Dorinda to apologize but it's rare it goes the other way. 

Whoever it may be, Luann has been like this since the first season.  Ten apologies for the same thing aren't enough either.   

Luann has barely apologized for anything and when forced or pressured its always with a but and a deflection.    Then its quickly forgotten and we are back to square one.

I think Dorinda nailed it when she said Luann has no substance. Imo, she never has.

[SuprSuprElevated]

Funny

Edited July 13, 2019 by SuprSuprElevated

[divsc]

33 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

Whoever it may be, Luann has been like this since the first season.  Ten apologies for the same thing aren't enough either.   

Luann has barely apologized for anything and when forced or pressured its always with a but and a deflection.    Then its quickly forgotten and we are back to square one.

I think Dorinda nailed it when she said Luann has no substance. Imo, she never has.

Agreed. And even from watching old seasons lately, I've been noticing these patterns where Luann has a very hard time coming up with her own thoughts. There are so many instances where  she can't quite express what she means, and it's weird, but someone always seems to be trying to help her out by suggesting a word or trying to fill in the silence or guess at what she means, and she instantly grabs on to that lifeline and repeats it. It happens so quickly, but if you watch for it, it's there. She kind of latches on to whatever excuse or explanation or justification someone offers up for her. I'll have to start paying attention to specific instances. (Mention them all! Haha). I do feel bad when she goes up against Bethenny, because she just doesn't think that quick and isn't as pithy and articulate - most people are not. But yeah, I just don't get the sense there is a lot of substance there.

[ButterQueen]

32 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Tinsley’s face looks frozen.  Too much work.

Edited July 13, 2019 by ButterQueen

[SuprSuprElevated]

Just now, ButterQueen said:

Tinsley’s face looks frozen.  Too much work.

Yeah, that's the rub.  So few stop at just the right time.  It appears there is no end, no there there.

[ButterQueen]

1 minute ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Yeah, that's the rub.  So few stop at just the right time.  It appears there is no end, no there there.

Her nose is disappearing too.  

[Marley]

I liked the reunion. I’m weird tho because I like Dorinda and Bethenny. Probably not in real life but on the show they are my fave characters pretty much lol.

I don’t know why blame is put on Bethenny for Dennis and his poor family. That blame should be put. Dennis. He’s the one who was still legally married and dating around. He came on the show so it obviously wasn’t a secret he was dating other ppl. Who knows why he was still married to his wife it seems shady but I don’t think they were together at all. Yea Bethenny is annoying about his death but it’s not like she broke up and ruined a family. Not trying to speak I’ll about the dead but he didn’t seem like a great guy.

Luannes damn song is still stuck in my head.

Edited July 14, 2019 by Marley