S07.E15: Trouble in Lala-land

[yourmomiseasy]

26 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Which is why they make you get a new picture whenever you go there because who knows when they are going to see you again.

I can’t believe Sandavol is going to all this expense and time to do squat based on IG stories was a two minute entrance. I mean I can because it’s incredibly stupid but still. 

They control when they are going to see you again because they are the ones that decide if you can renew by mail or not.  You have to go in person every X years for renewal.  Name changes are a thing that specifically has to be done in person and specifically requires a new picture. If you lose your license you have to go in person, but a new photo is not required if you are just getting a duplicate.  

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, yourmomiseasy said:

They control when they are going to see you again because they are the ones that decide if you can renew by mail or not.  You have to go in person every X years for renewal.  Name changes are a thing that specifically has to be done in person and specifically requires a new picture. If you lose your license you have to go in person, but a new photo is not required if you are just getting a duplicate.  

I was mainly joking but changing your name is choosing a part of your identity which is the whole purpose of an ID so it makes sense to me.

[Carolina Girl]

Stassi tweeted out yesterday that everyone should be mindful of what poor Lala has been going through and to try to understand her.  She didn't exactly get the response she expected.  

[Mr. Miner]

17 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

They are such disingenuous duplicitous assholes. They've never really liked James so you'd think they would have been champing at the bit to bring it up every year until he's gone.

What's to like? The dude is a raging wanker/douchebag!

[TattleTeeny]

12 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

I don’t understand why Lala was working the hostess station for Billie’s Brunch when she can’t stand her.   Also I could sworn I saw a brief throwaway second where the two of them were laughing together   

Haha, I always catch Teresa/Melissa moments like this in RHoNJ, including a few during the super-feud season!

[iloveit]

1 hour ago, Carolina Girl said:

Stassi tweeted out yesterday that everyone should be mindful of what poor Lala has been going through and to try to understand her.  She didn't exactly get the response she expected.  

I think some people would be more forgiving of Lala's behavior if she seemed somewhat remorseful.  Based on her interviews in the After Show, she seems not at all remorseful or aware that perhaps she could have handled things better. She acknowledged that she was in a bad place that day but didn't indicate that she had any regret about the way she behaved. Like everyone just has to deal with her being awful. I really felt for her in the earlier episode when she said she was really in a bad place  but it is hard to defend her behavior here.  Everyone can make mistakes but you have to own up to them.  I think she has serious anger management issues. 

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, iloveit said:

Like everyone just has to deal with her being awful. 

And I hate to defend Jax but I couldn’t believe when Lala said to Brittany of all people that she was going through so much more than anyone else when Jax also lost his father.

[SarahC]

3 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

And I hate to defend Jax but I couldn’t believe when Lala said to Brittany of all people that she was going through so much more than anyone else when Jax also lost his father.

In Lala's world, her tragedy is the worst and ONLY one. So much more important that anything else that anybody in the room has gone through.  What a small minded way to think about things. Each person has their own lives and own traumas. Also...at this age in life, not many people haven't suffered sudden losses. 

[b2H]

22 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

Katie is not obese, not by a long shot.  She may not be WeHo thin, but she's not obese.  

That was my point and it hasn't been life-long - I guess I'm watching too much of '600 lb Life' and she isn't even close to that.  But she is carrying more than she should for her frame.  Look, she's a very pretty girl.  I think she's just also very unhappy and it's causing her to lash out at everyone, including the people who love her most.  She needs to take a good look at herself and work on the within part.

[Rebecca]

8 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I wish I was fat like Katie.

Right? “Fat” with a flat stomach and some curves. 

[SheTalksShit]

I'm not surprised that Lala's deleted her Twitter and doesn't allow comments on her IG, given her delusional arrogant behavior this season. Self-awareness has never been her strong suit, but this season, it's gone completely out the window! I don't think it has that much to do with her Dad, like yes, I'm sure she's sad he died, but I think she's lashing out the way she is because she's become overly emboldened by her newfound close friendships/acceptance with Katie, Kristen and Stassi and the fact that her relationship with Randall is now officially public and she's engaged to him. I don't believe for a minute she'd be acting like this if it weren't for that and that is so pathetic, to me. 

James is definitely a very flawed person, especially when it comes to controlling his emotions and the fact that he keeps losing his shit over and over and over doesn't help his cause, but at least he's entertaining and doesn't come across as delusional. And he doesn't talk shit to people unless they talk shit to him, first. If you're cool to him, he'll be cool to you. 

I like Raquel. 

Edited March 20, 2019 by SheTalksShit

[Rebecca]

12 hours ago, Rubyslippahz said:

Kristen was a real peach walking into Scheanas.   I agree it was rude I was enjoying every glimpse of the enchiladas! 

Kristen is also the only vegetarian in the group so when Scheana said that some of the enchiladas were chicken and some weren’t I have to assume she made the ones without chicken specifically for Kristen and then Kristen doesn’t even eat them? So fucking rude. As a vegetarian since I was 9 I found it really rude that Scheana went out of her way to accommodate Kristen and she didn’t even eat a bite! She should’ve choked down a few bites, at least. It’s also rude to go to a meal at someone’s house in general and say you’re full immediately before eating a thing there. But no one should expect Kristen to have any tact anyway.

[ghoulina]

10 hours ago, smores said:

It has never occurred to Kristin to apologize to Lisa.  Somehow she thinks Lisa owes HER something.  This is puzzling to me. 

Right. I'm not the biggest LVP fan. But these other assholes at least give her the courtesy of an apology, fake or not. Kristen has always been bitter and unrelenting about what went down when she was let go. She wants to be able to waltz back into that SUR life, but she's never owned her shit. 

3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

And I hate to defend Jax but I couldn’t believe when Lala said to Brittany of all people that she was going through so much more than anyone else when Jax also lost his father.

That's the issue here. Lala has no self-awareness. I originally felt horribly for her. It was quite obvious she was in so much pain. But she's now deciding to don her pain like a protective suit, daring anyone to challenge even the most vile behavior. I don't want to offend; but Racquel is right - she IS playing the dad card. She brings it up constantly; and I think people would automatically have more sympathy for her and give her a pass if she wasn't reminding them every 5 minutes that her dad died, in a very aggressive and defensive way. 

50 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Kristen is also the only vegetarian in the group so when Scheana said that some of the enchiladas were chicken and some weren’t I have to assume she made the ones without chicken specifically for Kristen and then Kristen doesn’t even eat them? So fucking rude. As a vegetarian since I was 9 I found it really rude that Scheana went out of her way to accommodate Kristen and she didn’t even eat a bite! She should’ve choked down a few bites, at least. It’s also rude to go to a meal at someone’s house in general and say you’re full immediately before eating a thing there. But no one should expect Kristen to have any tact anyway.

I noticed that as well and assumed she made a veg option just for Kristen. I agree - why not cut a small piece and nibble at it? It was a small, intimate gathering. No way to really hide the fact that you're not eating. And I assume they were aware that she was cooking for them ahead of time. Kristen doesn't even really have any beef with Scheana; so it was just typical, self-involved behavior. 

[Rubyslippahz]

If Raquel's end game is that she wants to be friends with the other women in the cast (which is what she said to James at some point in their apartment)--hahaahahahaha.  She's no Brittany.

Off this episode - but I am still traumatized by seeing Tom's Triplets getting lap dances last week.

[Drogo]

18 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Kristen doesn't even really have any beef with Scheana;

+100 points to Gryffindor for using this expression in a post about vegetarian enchiladas. 

[iloveit]

1 hour ago, SheTalksShit said:

I'm not surprised that Lala's deleted her Twitter and doesn't allow comments on her IG, given her delusional arrogant behavior this season. Self-awareness has never been her strong suit, but this season, it's gone completely out the window! I don't think it has that much to do with her Dad, like yes, I'm sure she's sad he died, but I think she's lashing out the way she is because she's become overly emboldened by her newfound close friendships/acceptance with Katie, Kristen and Stassi and the fact that her relationship with Randall is now officially public and she's engaged to him. I don't believe for a minute she'd be acting like this if it weren't for that and that is so pathetic, to me. 

In her after show interview, she also said it was wrong of Billie to question her character because her parents are of excellent character and they raised her so any attack on her is an attack on them and that is wrong.  That is such a delusional line of thinking and is a way for her to make herself bulletproof.  

[Brooke0707]

Do you guys think Lala is at all protected by Lisa because of her relationship with Randall or do you think Lisa doesn't care?

I'm rooting for James.  I find him to be an entertaining character for a reality tv show.

Was Kristen actually being serious that Lisa likes her a little?  How could she not see Lisa's visible discomfort?  She should have come away from that with the opposite impression.  Also, Lisa would probably warm up to her much more if instead of the fake kissy kissy, Kristen just apologized for her past behavior.

[politichick]

3 hours ago, Rebecca said:

Right? “Fat” with a flat stomach and some curves. 

Would not be surprised if this was photoshopped. Not saying it definitely was, but one never knows.

[Carolina Girl]

1 hour ago, Rubyslippahz said:

If Raquel's end game is that she wants to be friends with the other women in the cast (which is what she said to James at some point in their apartment)--hahaahahahaha.  She's no Brittany.

Off this episode - but I am still traumatized by seeing Tom's Triplets getting lap dances last week.

If that is her end game, she'll need to either get a Private Jet of her own or access to a limousine 24/7.  Oh, and she'll have to scream and insult James in a very public place while they're all there to watch it, so they can all feel good about her abandoning him.  

Kristin said "look at all he's done and Lisa forgives him; I just blew up at Diana once and I'm not allowed back at SUR."  You blew up at the MANAGER when the restaurant was full of people.  You told her to go suck a dick, as I recall, after an incident that YOU engineered caused a scene and prompted an employee to abandon his post during his shift.  Which created more work for the others at the bar.   James made a vulgar reference when he was DJ'ing which I bet half the bar didn't hear or notice, and his comments to Katie were in the back alley at Pump.  He apologized to Lisa for both.  He apologized to Brittany and Jax.  You have never apologized to Lisa for your behavior that day.  Diana forgave you, but Diana is not the owner.  

Another case in point.  Notice, Kristin, that when Lisa BROADLY hinted that James should probably not attend the TomTom opening, he picked up on it and told her he would not attend.  The opening of a bar in which his actual friend Sandoval has a stake and who wanted him to come.  You, on the other hand, crashed an engagement party at LISA'S HOUSE after being told specifically that you were not invited.  Lisa would have been well within her rights to have you escorted from her property but did not do so.  Not simply satisfied with crashing and perhaps keeping a low profile, you insisted on making a speech - which literally rubbed in Lisa's face your disregard for her wishes on her PERSONAL property.  

I suggest you stay grateful that Lisa didn't demand you be removed from the show and stop pushing it.  Because, Girlfriend, your buddies Katie, Ariana, Brittany and Stassi will drop you like a bad habit if having you around interferes with their revenue stream.

[LibertarianSlut]

Do we know the dates the above pics were taken?  Katie may not have always been heavy, but as of about two weeks ago, she looked like this (scroll down):

I don't think she's obese, I don't think she is in 600 lb life territory, but the height and weight charts (which are baloney, as they don't take muscle mass into account) would almost definitely characterize her as "overweight" at this point in time.  If she is 5'6" and above 160 lbs, she is most certainly "overweight." 

I just don't know why that's such a negative.  I find it refreshing.  She is still gorgeous, but she's zaftig.  There are probably literally millions of women in this country who are technically overweight on the BMI charts who are gorgeous and healthy.  It almost makes me uncomfortable how much people sometimes protest so strongly that Katie is not overweight, as if they are denying that she is a murderer.  She's a big, beatiful woman who happens to be a complete bitch, but that is another story.  

Does it justify James's comments?  Hell no.  Sometimes things that are approaching the truth hurt the most.  If someone called me "old" now, I'd be like, "yeah...". If they called me old when I was 85, I'd be like, "now that's below the belt."  It's not even that fat is such a bad word.  I love when women reclaim the word "fat" (as long as they are mindful of health), but since James was using it perjoratively, he is still a raging dickhole (actually never heard that term until Kristen or Katie used it in this episode). Learn something new every day!

[Callaphera]

2 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Do we know the dates the above pics were taken?  Katie may not have always been heavy, but as of about two weeks ago, she looked like this (scroll down):

<picture snip. Y'all, it's right above. We don't need a repeat already. The outfit is that bad.>

WTF is that outfit? Miami Vice for Grandma's?

[Judi Sunshine]

On 3/19/2019 at 7:45 AM, bichonblitz said:

I still can't even figure out what Lala has against Raquel. Raquel may not be smart and she may be blind when it comes to James but that isn't anybody's business. The girl is not mean or vicious to anybody so Lala needs to lay off! I hope when she's looking back at these episodes that are airing now she is supremely embarrassed of her behavior. 

My husband used to watch with me, but hasn't seen much of this or last season because he's been working Tuesdays when I watch. Anyway, he was home last night and said "Lala seems really jealous of Raquel. Like she doesn't want James for herself but she doesn't like not having him to adore her and be there unconditionally for her anymore." And I agree. She reminds me a lot of my ex's "bestie" in that way. It's exhausting to deal with if you're the Raquel in the equation. 

[Rebecca]

I’m defending the fact that Katie isn’t fat because she’s not. She’s not even overweight according to a bunch of people who have seen her in person. I agree that she has horrendous fashion sense and she has no idea how to dress for her body. That doesn’t make her overweight. She’s surrounded by women who are size 0 and are way outside the norm for body size, it would be easy to look bigger around them. It’s actually insane to me that people think she’s overweight and is anywhere near 160 pounds. 

It kind of reminds me of when Kelly Osborne was chubby and she said that people would mail her clothes and things in size 14 or 16 and meanwhile she actually was a 10, she looked bigger on TV.

[Judi Sunshine]

6 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

It kind of reminds me of when Kelly Osborne was chubby and she said that people would mail her clothes and things in size 14 or 16 and meanwhile she actually was a 10, she looked bigger on TV.

That happened with Amber Benson too when she was on "Buffy." And that woman is hot af IMO.  

And really, hearing/reading people justify body shaming because they don't like someone's personality is...icky.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Judi Sunshine

[LibertarianSlut]

16 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

I’m defending the fact that Katie isn’t fat because she’s not. She’s not even overweight according to a bunch of people who have seen her in person. I agree that she has horrendous fashion sense and she has no idea how to dress for her body. That doesn’t make her overweight. She’s surrounded by women who are size 0 and are way outside the norm for body size, it would be easy to look bigger around them. It’s actually insane to me that people think she’s overweight and is anywhere near 160 pounds. 

It kind of reminds me of when Kelly Osborne was chubby and she said that people would mail her clothes and things in size 14 or 16 and meanwhile she actually was a 10, she looked bigger on TV.

I think the only woman on the show who is probably a size zero across the board is Ariana.  Scheana is a tiny little thing, but her hips might make her a 2.  Kristen is so tall that she is probably a 2 or 4. Raquel is so tall that she's probably a 2.  Lala purposely enhanced the size of her legs and butt over the summer (she gave an interview about it), so she is probably more like a 2 or 4, and I think Stassi and Brittney probably vacillate between 4 and 6.  I think I read somewhere that Lisa is an 8.  And Katie is now bigger than all of those people.  The only one who competes with Katie for size, now, on this season, not in past seasons, is Billie, and Billie is probably also overweight.  Katie is in the midst of very thin women, but I don't think it's as extreme as a bunch of size zeroes.  

Whether someone is overweight is not an opinion, it's just a fact that doctors rely upon.   If you weigh a certain amount and your height is a certain amount, you may be overweight.  That's all "overweight" tells us.  That someone weighs more than some "experts" think they should.  I stated it was flawed.  But I also don't think it's subjective. 

https://www.rush.edu/health-wellness/quick-guides/what-is-a-healthy-weight

According to this link, above, Katie is overweight if she is 158 lbs or more. It's not a medical diagnosis; it doesn't mean she's unhealthy.  A lot of professional athletes are overweight.  It just means that someone weighs a certain amount.

As far as Katie not being anywhere near 160 lbs, I beg to differ.  When Porsha Williams started last season of RHOA, she told Kandi that she had to get her weight down, because she was getting close to 175.  This is a picture of Porsha from season 10.  

To me, this is a woman who is close to Katie in size right now, not as Katie was in the past, but now, except it appears that Porsha is tighter and has better muscle tone.  Porsha is clearly on TV too, so there is no differential for that.  If Porsha slimmed down, as she stated, she is probably about 165 lbs here, which would lead me to believe, through logic, that Katie is around 160.  I believe what I see more than hearsay.  

10 minutes ago, Judi Sunshine said:

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And really, hearing/reading people justify body shaming because they don't like someone's personality is...icky.

I'm going to go ahead and agree with you, and assume this isn't directed at me, as I said Katie is a gorgeous, zaftig woman who happened to be a bitch.  I said that I think there is nothing wrong with being overweight.  I'm not sure if that can be anything more different from body shaming.  I'm saying, "girl, take that overweight and work it, you sexy bitch!"  I said that I think it's cool for women to reclaim the word "fat," but that James isn't right to call her that word perjoratively, as it's hurtful in that context.  I'm not sure how I could be any more body positive.  

Just to demonstrate how misleading "overweight' can be,  I'm sure Serena Williams is "overweight" because she probably weighs a lot because of all the muscle she carries.  Her body fat percentage on the other hand?  Is probably extremely low.  That's why trainers tell people not to focus on the number; it's how your clothes fit and whether you are healthy.  Almost every person in the NFL is "overweight."  It just means a weight and a height.  It's not a comment on health, or attractiveness, or fertility.  

If anyone wants to argue that we should do away with the height and weight charts, I will stand next to them and join the argument.  But until that happens, I am not going to deny people are overweight because I don't think it's hurtful.  It means very little.  It's not the same as saying someone is fat and sloppy, which is hurtful.

I just don't think it helps to deny, deny, deny someone is overweight, or fat (which Katie isn't, but if she had been, so what?). I think it is more empowering to just own it.  And as much as I have been down on Katie recently, I do think she owns her body well.  She says she is not skinny.  She says she gained a lot of weight, but she is happier now.  I'm not sure why more people aren't like, "you go girl" as opposed to "no, she's perfect."  Maybe I just look at beauty and societal perceptions differently...

[Judi Sunshine]

4 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I'm going to go ahead and agree with you, and assume this isn't directed at me

No it wasn't towards anyone here. I've read it on other sites; if it's here, I haven't gotten to it yet.

[SFoster21]

On 3/19/2019 at 7:06 AM, kelseykixx said:

I would hazard a guess that rather than eating before she came, Kristen had taken an ADDERALL before she came. That's usually her & everyone else in that groups go to. Rude to come over, say you're not hungry, but that you'll take some later for home. Like... just take a few bites at least.

Kristen’s behavior from start to finish was odd.  She comes in, remarks that it’s big, barely says hello, announces she’s not eating, retreats to the porch with Katie...

almost makes you feel sorry for Scheana

Then, that Lisa meeting!  The outfit?  The smart remarks?  The insistence on kissing - twice?

”her best friend” is opening TomTom?

She must be “on” something.

[Rebecca]

@LibertarianSlut It is all opinion because neither of us have even seen her in person and people definitely look differently in person versus what is on TV.  I also don’t think she appears overweight on TV. Bigger than she was, yes, but still not overweight. I think calling her overweight is insulting to actual overweight people, like when companies have women who are size 10 modeling “plus size” clothing. For the record I’m certain I’m larger than her and I don’t wear plus size clothing and am not considered medically overweight.

We also don’t actually know her weight or BMI or what her doctor may have told her. She has gained some weight since the beginning of the show but that’s all we know. You think she looks overweight, I do not. Neither of us actually know her stats. Therefore it’s  all opinion. We’re not going to change each other’s so I’m just going to stop now. 🙂

Edited March 20, 2019 by Rebecca

[Callaphera]

1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I think the only woman on the show who is probably a size zero across the board is Ariana.  Scheana is a tiny little thing, but her hips might make her a 2.  Kristen is so tall that she is probably a 2 or 4. Raquel is so tall that she's probably a 2.  Lala purposely enhanced the size of her legs and butt over the summer (she gave an interview about it), so she is probably more like a 2 or 4, and I think Stassi and Brittney probably vacillate between 4 and 6.  I think I read somewhere that Lisa is an 8.  And Katie is now bigger than all of those people.  The only one who competes with Katie for size, now, on this season, not in past seasons, is Billie, and Billie is probably also overweight.  Katie is in the midst of very thin women, but I don't think it's as extreme as a bunch of size zeroes.  

You can be super tall and still a size zero. Or else all those jeans in my closet have been lying to me. The real problem is finding pants with a long enough inseam and a small enough waist. That's, like, the tall skinny girl's unicorn right there. 

[smores]

1 hour ago, Callaphera said:

You can be super tall and still a size zero. Or else all those jeans in my closet have been lying to me. The real problem is finding pants with a long enough inseam and a small enough waist. That's, like, the tall skinny girl's unicorn right there. 

Try having a big ass and a small waist.  It's like wearing a paper bag.  

I wonder, though, if it would be easier to get mens jeans if you need a smaller waist with a longer inseam?  I should preface this with the fact that I'm the unicorn that does not ever EVER wear jeans because I don't like how they feel, so I don't know what options you'd have if you wore mens vs women's, but I know they are sold by actual measurements vs whatever fucked up size metric that particular maker wants to use to determine size for their garments.  I tried to explain the concept of women's clothing sizes to my husband once and he couldn't understand how you could be like 6 different sizes all at one time, in just shirts.

[glowbug]

Try being a woman and apple shaped. Skinny legs, no butt, but a bigger midsection. Apples look good when they’re underweight (many models are probably apples with zero fat) but it’s problematic if you’re normal weight or overweight. If the jeans fit your waist they are baggy in the butt and legs. I always look like I’m wearing gangsta jeans circa 1995, especially since I have no butt to hold them up so no matter how much of a muffin top I give myself they still slide down exposing my ass crack. They don’t make clothes for us poor apples. Stassi is actually an apple and you can tell when she’s on the chunkier side. 

[FancyNancy]

On 3/20/2019 at 3:25 AM, smores said:

Raquel was talking about Lala, though, which wasn't cool.  I'm not saying it justifies Lala going off on her, but, Raquel was basically just standing around playing Michelle Duggar to her boyfriend James while he works as the super cool DJ at SUR, and also managed to talk shit about Lala.  Then when Lala confronted her about it, she brought up Lala's dad, which is not a great topic to mention and Raquel's aware of that.  It's a bit disingenuous to then say "I'm a patron! How dare she!"  

I really don't see how James has any standing to say anything about Lala's freakout when he literally had to be walked out of TomTom the day before.  He really doesn't seem to grasp that he has caused damage and it will take time to rebuild his reputation with everyone and that at this point, some people may not ever want anything to do with him again.  And they don't have to.  He's been a dick to a bunch of people a bunch of times and he isn't OWED another chance.  If Sandoval wants to give him one? Fantastic! But that doesn't mean that other people have to.  But, he shows up and is all "I've changed! I swear! What do you mean I can't get what I want right this minute? I've put 4 days of effort into this changing thing!" And then when they don't give him what he wants "Fuck that bitch! She's just a fat fucking bitch and she doesn't want me to succeed!" And that's exactly why people don't want to give him another chance just yet.

It has never occurred to Kristin to apologize to Lisa.  Somehow she thinks Lisa owes HER something.  This is puzzling to me. 

This.

I mean, I've watched Springer and Cops, so I kind of feel like yeah, I'm probably better than some people.  Maybe not better than them all the time, but, what I'm seeing on tv?  Yep, I'm not wrestling someone in a baby pool of jello or in a wife beater running barefoot down the street screaming that they can't catch me to the police, so I kind of feel like I have a bit of an edge for that particular moment.  I'm not gonna lie.  

Lala has had a problem with Raquel ever since she came on the scene. At this point, Raquel has a right to talk shit. I wish she had some balls and knocked the shit out of Lala

[Higgins]

14 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I think the only woman on the show who is probably a size zero across the board is Ariana.  Scheana is a tiny little thing, but her hips might make her a 2.  Kristen is so tall that she is probably a 2 or 4. Raquel is so tall that she's probably a 2.  Lala purposely enhanced the size of her legs and butt over the summer (she gave an interview about it), so she is probably more like a 2 or 4, and I think Stassi and Brittney probably vacillate between 4 and 6.  I think I read somewhere that Lisa is an 8.  And Katie is now bigger than all of those people.  The only one who competes with Katie for size, now, on this season, not in past seasons, is Billie, and Billie is probably also overweight.  Katie is in the midst of very thin women, but I don't think it's as extreme as a bunch of size zeroes.  

Whether someone is overweight is not an opinion, it's just a fact that doctors rely upon.   If you weigh a certain amount and your height is a certain amount, you may be overweight.  That's all "overweight" tells us.  That someone weighs more than some "experts" think they should.  I stated it was flawed.  But I also don't think it's subjective. 

https://www.rush.edu/health-wellness/quick-guides/what-is-a-healthy-weight

According to this link, above, Katie is overweight if she is 158 lbs or more. It's not a medical diagnosis; it doesn't mean she's unhealthy.  A lot of professional athletes are overweight.  It just means that someone weighs a certain amount.

As far as Katie not being anywhere near 160 lbs, I beg to differ.  When Porsha Williams started last season of RHOA, she told Kandi that she had to get her weight down, because she was getting close to 175.  This is a picture of Porsha from season 10.  

To me, this is a woman who is close to Katie in size right now, not as Katie was in the past, but now, except it appears that Porsha is tighter and has better muscle tone.  Porsha is clearly on TV too, so there is no differential for that.  If Porsha slimmed down, as she stated, she is probably about 165 lbs here, which would lead me to believe, through logic, that Katie is around 160.  I believe what I see more than hearsay.  

I'm going to go ahead and agree with you, and assume this isn't directed at me, as I said Katie is a gorgeous, zaftig woman who happened to be a bitch.  I said that I think there is nothing wrong with being overweight.  I'm not sure if that can be anything more different from body shaming.  I'm saying, "girl, take that overweight and work it, you sexy bitch!"  I said that I think it's cool for women to reclaim the word "fat," but that James isn't right to call her that word perjoratively, as it's hurtful in that context.  I'm not sure how I could be any more body positive.  

Just to demonstrate how misleading "overweight' can be,  I'm sure Serena Williams is "overweight" because she probably weighs a lot because of all the muscle she carries.  Her body fat percentage on the other hand?  Is probably extremely low.  That's why trainers tell people not to focus on the number; it's how your clothes fit and whether you are healthy.  Almost every person in the NFL is "overweight."  It just means a weight and a height.  It's not a comment on health, or attractiveness, or fertility.  

If anyone wants to argue that we should do away with the height and weight charts, I will stand next to them and join the argument.  But until that happens, I am not going to deny people are overweight because I don't think it's hurtful.  It means very little.  It's not the same as saying someone is fat and sloppy, which is hurtful.

I just don't think it helps to deny, deny, deny someone is overweight, or fat (which Katie isn't, but if she had been, so what?). I think it is more empowering to just own it.  And as much as I have been down on Katie recently, I do think she owns her body well.  She says she is not skinny.  She says she gained a lot of weight, but she is happier now.  I'm not sure why more people aren't like, "you go girl" as opposed to "no, she's perfect."  Maybe I just look at beauty and societal perceptions differently...

Why would you use a method (BMI) that is considered faulty and inaccurate.

[dosodog]

18 hours ago, Rubyslippahz said:

If Raquel's end game is that she wants to be friends with the other women in the cast (which is what she said to James at some point in their apartment)--hahaahahahaha.  She's no Brittany.

Off this episode - but I am still traumatized by seeing Tom's Triplets getting lap dances last week.

Why WOULD you want to be friends with people who don't like your boyfriend? Particularly because you only know them BECAUSE of your boyfriend?  More tv time........

I can see being cordial, friendly and civil to them at public events, but to seek out private time to spend with them?  More tv time........

[Carolina Girl]

45 minutes ago, dosodog said:

Why WOULD you want to be friends with people who don't like your boyfriend? Particularly because you only know them BECAUSE of your boyfriend?  More tv time........

I can see being cordial, friendly and civil to them at public events, but to seek out private time to spend with them?  More tv time........

I seem to recall a few episodes back that Ariana (I think) invited Raquel out to a girls' event that also included the Witches of Weho and Raquel went, much to James' surprise.  

[SheTalksShit]

19 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Do we know the dates the above pics were taken?  Katie may not have always been heavy, but as of about two weeks ago, she looked like this (scroll down):

I don't think she's obese, I don't think she is in 600 lb life territory, but the height and weight charts (which are baloney, as they don't take muscle mass into account) would almost definitely characterize her as "overweight" at this point in time.  If she is 5'6" and above 160 lbs, she is most certainly "overweight." 

I just don't know why that's such a negative.  I find it refreshing.  She is still gorgeous, but she's zaftig.  There are probably literally millions of women in this country who are technically overweight on the BMI charts who are gorgeous and healthy.  It almost makes me uncomfortable how much people sometimes protest so strongly that Katie is not overweight, as if they are denying that she is a murderer.  She's a big, beatiful woman who happens to be a complete bitch, but that is another story.  

Does it justify James's comments?  Hell no.  Sometimes things that are approaching the truth hurt the most.  If someone called me "old" now, I'd be like, "yeah...". If they called me old when I was 85, I'd be like, "now that's below the belt."  It's not even that fat is such a bad word.  I love when women reclaim the word "fat" (as long as they are mindful of health), but since James was using it perjoratively, he is still a raging dickhole (actually never heard that term until Kristen or Katie used it in this episode). Learn something new every day!

I wouldn’t say she’s above 160. Maybe around 145, 150. 

[SheTalksShit]

17 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I think the only woman on the show who is probably a size zero across the board is Ariana.  Scheana is a tiny little thing, but her hips might make her a 2.  Kristen is so tall that she is probably a 2 or 4. Raquel is so tall that she's probably a 2.  Lala purposely enhanced the size of her legs and butt over the summer (she gave an interview about it), so she is probably more like a 2 or 4, and I think Stassi and Brittney probably vacillate between 4 and 6.  I think I read somewhere that Lisa is an 8.  And Katie is now bigger than all of those people.  The only one who competes with Katie for size, now, on this season, not in past seasons, is Billie, and Billie is probably also overweight.  Katie is in the midst of very thin women, but I don't think it's as extreme as a bunch of size zeroes.  

Whether someone is overweight is not an opinion, it's just a fact that doctors rely upon.   If you weigh a certain amount and your height is a certain amount, you may be overweight.  That's all "overweight" tells us.  That someone weighs more than some "experts" think they should.  I stated it was flawed.  But I also don't think it's subjective. 

https://www.rush.edu/health-wellness/quick-guides/what-is-a-healthy-weight

According to this link, above, Katie is overweight if she is 158 lbs or more. It's not a medical diagnosis; it doesn't mean she's unhealthy.  A lot of professional athletes are overweight.  It just means that someone weighs a certain amount.

As far as Katie not being anywhere near 160 lbs, I beg to differ.  When Porsha Williams started last season of RHOA, she told Kandi that she had to get her weight down, because she was getting close to 175.  This is a picture of Porsha from season 10.  

To me, this is a woman who is close to Katie in size right now, not as Katie was in the past, but now, except it appears that Porsha is tighter and has better muscle tone.  Porsha is clearly on TV too, so there is no differential for that.  If Porsha slimmed down, as she stated, she is probably about 165 lbs here, which would lead me to believe, through logic, that Katie is around 160.  I believe what I see more than hearsay.  

I'm going to go ahead and agree with you, and assume this isn't directed at me, as I said Katie is a gorgeous, zaftig woman who happened to be a bitch.  I said that I think there is nothing wrong with being overweight.  I'm not sure if that can be anything more different from body shaming.  I'm saying, "girl, take that overweight and work it, you sexy bitch!"  I said that I think it's cool for women to reclaim the word "fat," but that James isn't right to call her that word perjoratively, as it's hurtful in that context.  I'm not sure how I could be any more body positive.  

Just to demonstrate how misleading "overweight' can be,  I'm sure Serena Williams is "overweight" because she probably weighs a lot because of all the muscle she carries.  Her body fat percentage on the other hand?  Is probably extremely low.  That's why trainers tell people not to focus on the number; it's how your clothes fit and whether you are healthy.  Almost every person in the NFL is "overweight."  It just means a weight and a height.  It's not a comment on health, or attractiveness, or fertility.  

If anyone wants to argue that we should do away with the height and weight charts, I will stand next to them and join the argument.  But until that happens, I am not going to deny people are overweight because I don't think it's hurtful.  It means very little.  It's not the same as saying someone is fat and sloppy, which is hurtful.

I just don't think it helps to deny, deny, deny someone is overweight, or fat (which Katie isn't, but if she had been, so what?). I think it is more empowering to just own it.  And as much as I have been down on Katie recently, I do think she owns her body well.  She says she is not skinny.  She says she gained a lot of weight, but she is happier now.  I'm not sure why more people aren't like, "you go girl" as opposed to "no, she's perfect."  Maybe I just look at beauty and societal perceptions differently...

That pic of Porsha is most certainly photoshopped/slimmed, so not necessarily a real example of 165. 

[SheTalksShit]

20 hours ago, Brooke0707 said:

Do you guys think Lala is at all protected by Lisa because of her relationship with Randall or do you think Lisa doesn't care?

I'm rooting for James.  I find him to be an entertaining character for a reality tv show.

Was Kristen actually being serious that Lisa likes her a little?  How could she not see Lisa's visible discomfort?  She should have come away from that with the opposite impression.  Also, Lisa would probably warm up to her much more if instead of the fake kissy kissy, Kristen just apologized for her past behavior.

Here’s what Kristen doesn’t get (since she loves to compare Lisa’s treatment of James to herself): James contributed to her business in a major way, like his DJing brought in the $$$. Kristen, for the most part, just brought headache. 

I think LVP has trouble understanding Kristen, they are polar opposites in how they operate. Lisa is calm, controlled, poised, calculating, demands respect, almost won’t settle for any less than ppl kissing her ass, tbh. 

Kristen is the opposite, temperamental, impulsive, trouble controlling her emotions, spontaneous, genuine, non-strategic, stormy, will put up with a certain amount of disrespect. 

They don’t get each other, probably never will. 

[LibertarianSlut]

3 hours ago, Higgins said:

Why would you use a method (BMI) that is considered faulty and inaccurate.

Because people were discussing whether Katie was "overweight" and posting pictures to nullify that idea.  The height and weight charts are what measure whether someone is "overweight," so I needed to meet people at their level of discussion.  It is flawed--this is my third time mentioning it--but if other people say "Katie is not overweight," the only way I can respond if I disagree is to say, "she likely is overweight, here is the evidence," and "overweight doesn't mean anything to me. Most NFL players--people at the zenith of fitness--are overweight."  

If people were saying that Katie was over fat?  I would say, "No, I don't think she has a higher level of body fat percentage than is healthy," which is the indication that I think really matters.  But no one was talking about body fat percentages at the time, so we would have been talking about apples and oranges.  

I also think height has so much to do with how a person's body is perceived, so when I said that Kristen may have worn a bigger size than Scheana, I wasn't saying it was impossible to be tall and a size zero, only that a taller, thinner person might wear a bigger size than someone who is shorter and less thin.  Kristen is probably thinner than Scheana.  She probably has less body fat, if you will, and if she wears a bigger or the same size, that is not indicative of much, is all I was trying to say.  

On RHOA, Kandi's daughter Riley lost a bunch of weight, and in her after pic, where she is 168, she looks markedly thinner than Katie to me.  I don't think the pic is indicative of photoshop--there are no squiggly lines or disappearing crotch areas--but if people want to think it's photoshopped, I am not going to argue.  No, I have not seen Katie and Riley side-by-side, but they appear to have similar heights--neither is 5'1" or 6'.

I think it's becoming a moot point, as my fellow poster upthread mentioned.  No one is really giving in here, and it's fine to disagree.  This young girl is beautiful before and after, Katie is beautiful now and before, it's all good.

[ghoulina]

5 hours ago, dosodog said:

Why WOULD you want to be friends with people who don't like your boyfriend? Particularly because you only know them BECAUSE of your boyfriend?  More tv time........

I can see being cordial, friendly and civil to them at public events, but to seek out private time to spend with them?  More tv time........

Yup. This is why I do not care for Raquel. She admonishes James to be cool with everyone - not because it will save him grief in the long run, not because he wants his job back, not because it's the right thing to do. No, because SHE wants to be friends with these people. For what reason, I don't know. TV time is the only thing that makes sense. She's definitely not ride or die. 

[SheTalksShit]

1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Because people were discussing whether Katie was "overweight" and posting pictures to nullify that idea.  The height and weight charts are what measure whether someone is "overweight," so I needed to meet people at their level of discussion.  It is flawed--this is my third time mentioning it--but if other people say "Katie is not overweight," the only way I can respond if I disagree is to say, "she likely is overweight, here is the evidence," and "overweight doesn't mean anything to me. Most NFL players--people at the zenith of fitness--are overweight."  

If people were saying that Katie was over fat?  I would say, "No, I don't think she has a higher level of body fat percentage than is healthy," which is the indication that I think really matters.  But no one was talking about body fat percentages at the time, so we would have been talking about apples and oranges.  

I also think height has so much to do with how a person's body is perceived, so when I said that Kristen may have worn a bigger size than Scheana, I wasn't saying it was impossible to be tall and a size zero, only that a taller, thinner person might wear a bigger size than someone who is shorter and less thin.  Kristen is probably thinner than Scheana.  She probably has less body fat, if you will, and if she wears a bigger or the same size, that is not indicative of much, is all I was trying to say.  

On RHOA, Kandi's daughter Riley lost a bunch of weight, and in her after pic, where she is 168, she looks markedly thinner than Katie to me.  I don't think the pic is indicative of photoshop--there are no squiggly lines or disappearing crotch areas--but if people want to think it's photoshopped, I am not going to argue.  No, I have not seen Katie and Riley side-by-side, but they appear to have similar heights--neither is 5'1" or 6'.

I think it's becoming a moot point, as my fellow poster upthread mentioned.  No one is really giving in here, and it's fine to disagree.  This young girl is beautiful before and after, Katie is beautiful now and before, it's all good.

I’m just gonna say it, black girls pull off higher weight/fat than white girls (IMO). And I say this as a white girl, so I’m not being conceited or self-serving or anything like that and of course, this is not 100% always the case but it’s something I notice. Like they can carry more fat before it becomes noticeably unattractive. I’m not sure why but I think it’s bc they tend to carry weight in different areas than white girls. So it’s not always necessarily compatible. So Riley and Porsha’s 160 might be different than Katie’s 160.

Katie wears a lot of baggy clothes that hide her frame, but here is a pic of her and Shwartz from 4 months ago. Considering her lack of muscle tone, she doesn’t look 160 to me. 

[gunderda]

On 3/18/2019 at 11:29 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Love how DMV guy doesn’t give a hoot what Sandoval is babbling about. 

And I loved how Tom just kept going like the guy did care lol 

On 3/19/2019 at 8:33 AM, Carolina Girl said:

Also, your motorcycle license is just an endorsement to your regular driver's license, so unless Sandoval was renewing his driver's license, there was no need for him to have a photo taken.  Odd.  

I think I had to get an entirely new license when I got my motorcycle endorsement added to it.  It's not really something they can add to an existing license.  And hopefully he had to take a motorcycle safety course before even taking the tests to get his license. 

I didn't have to take the actual driving portion of my license - I was so happy!

[LibertarianSlut]

Yes, @shetalksshit, I agree that Katie looks a lot slimmer in that photo, and  not even "technically" overweight.  Maybe I was wrong.  It happens every once in a blue moon. 🙂 

[Mazzy]

I don't care about Katie's weight one way or the other. Fat, not fat.. ~shrug~ it is of no consequence to me. What I do care about is that she's a horrible person who always needs someone to hate or it's like her life isn't worth living or something. What I found super interesting about next week's preview was that now, with James being marginalized and Kristin basically telling Katie to piss off about her man, Katie needs a new person to direct her hatefire toward and it looks like she is going for the only person in her direct vicinity - her husband. I don't care if she's fat or not; she could be 600lb and it would be just as boring to me, but her need to have someone to hate at all times I find super interesting (not saying anyone else does, but I do) and I enjoy seeing who she's going to direct her hates-her-own-life rage at next.

[Thumper]

1 hour ago, Mazzy said:

I don't care about Katie's weight one way or the other. Fat, not fat.. ~shrug~ it is of no consequence to me. What I do care about is that she's a horrible person who always needs someone to hate or it's like her life isn't worth living or something. What I found super interesting about next week's preview was that now, with James being marginalized and Kristin basically telling Katie to piss off about her man, Katie needs a new person to direct her hatefire toward and it looks like she is going for the only person in her direct vicinity - her husband. I don't care if she's fat or not; she could be 600lb and it would be just as boring to me, but her need to have someone to hate at all times I find super interesting (not saying anyone else does, but I do) and I enjoy seeing who she's going to direct her hates-her-own-life rage at next.

I don't care about her weight either.  And height enters into it too.  At 5'4", I only have perspective about weight in regards to my height. lol

I do think she chooses some clothing that is not flattering, however.  The short shorts when James slammed her, wrongly. She may be trying to fit in with the others.  Oh well.  I'm sure she is tinier than I am.  Glad I don't live in their world!

[Rebecca]

I wonder if Katie hasn’t totally come to terms with the fact she is bigger than before, when she was rail thin, so she keeps trying to dress in ways she once could but they are no longer flattering. I think Brittany does this sometimes, she doesn’t always know how to dress for her giant boob implants either.

[AntAnn]

6 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

I think Brittany does this sometimes, she doesn’t always know how to dress for her giant boob implants either.

Agree, I got them at 35, after I had kids... (20 yrs ago) ... because. They definitely make you look heavier and your body perception changes to try to balance things out. Ymmv. Plus, it’s almost impossible to find clothing that fits. XL on top and S on bottom. Ugh. 

[MrsWitter]

43 minutes ago, AntAnn said:

Agree, I got them at 35, after I had kids... (20 yrs ago) ... because. They definitely make you look heavier and your body perception changes to try to balance things out. Ymmv. Plus, it’s almost impossible to find clothing that fits. XL on top and S on bottom. Ugh. 

This is an excellent point both you and @Rebecca are making. I have the inverse issue. I had a reduction several years ago and I still find it challenging to remember that my top and bottom are now fairly similar in size and that all the types of clothes I used to avoid might look better now. When you spend much of your life dressing your body a certain way and learning what works for you, it can be really hard to shift and learn to dress differently. I feel like I sometimes still dress like the girl with a G cup even though I’m a lot smaller now.

I do think Katie would benefit from a stylist of some sort (no shade- if I were on reality tv, I’d want someone helping me too), but I do think her body is beautiful (although it doesn’t really matter what I think). My overriding opinion on Katie’s appearance is pretty basic: I just thank God that her hair isn’t that awful shade of orange anymore.

[politichick]

On 3/21/2019 at 12:09 PM, SheTalksShit said:

I wouldn’t say she’s above 160. Maybe around 145, 150. 

She would probably look a lot better if she went to the gym and toned herself up. Plus, her clothing choices suck, just like her attitude.

[iloveit]

other thought besides Lala's screaming and Katie'k weight:

Katie & Kristen are so rude to Scheana. Didn't bring at least a bottle of wine or flowers, Kristen didn't eat, and then Katie takes her plate outside.  Also, does Scheana not have a table?  Why did everyone crowd at that small bar?  Scheana and Adam were eating standing up holding their plates.

Loved the shot of Kristen marching into Sur and Kristen calling herself a loser for eating pasta in bed.

This is not a defense of James but in what way is Lala more successful than James?  I don't think James is pining over Lala anymore or cares anymore that he slept with her.  He probably did at one time but I don't think he cares for her anymore after she ditched him for the coven.  Lala seems to think she is better than everyone else because she is rich adjacent now and is sexually adventurous.  James and Lala both have serious anger management issues.