Bethenny & Jason: The Divorce Showdown

[msblossom]

From what I remember, it was Bethenny who kept wanting Jason to get more involved with SKG, he was the one that worked to get the distribution log jam cleared up in the beginning when they had several hundred liquor stores nationally interested in carrying SKGM, and existing liquor stores that could not get or keep product on their shelves. She was forever begging Jason to get more involved on a full time basis( season 1 BGM or season 2 BEA). He relented, quit his pharm rep position and was in charge of who-knows-what and had 2 of the 3 new employees under his direct supervision (season 3 BEA).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear I remember Bethenny wanting Jason involved at the preliminary negotiation table with her, Beam, and her SKG partner. And I do think Jason is entitled to a small percentage from the wealth generated from SKG during the years they were married, but nothing more.

[OhGromit]

40 minutes ago, msblossom said:

From what I remember, it was Bethenny who kept wanting Jason to get more involved with SKG, he was the one that worked to get the distribution log jam cleared up in the beginning when they had several hundred liquor stores nationally interested in carrying SKGM, and existing liquor stores that could not get or keep product on their shelves. She was forever begging Jason to get more involved on a full time basis( season 1 BGM or season 2 BEA). He relented, quit his pharm rep position and was in charge of who-knows-what and had 2 of the 3 new employees under his direct supervision (season 3 BEA).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear I remember Bethenny wanting Jason involved at the preliminary negotiation table with her, Beam, and her SKG partner. And I do think Jason is entitled to a small percentage from the wealth generated from SKG during the years they were married, but nothing more.

You are correct-- in fact, Jason was the one who received the email with Beam's final offer on the SKM purchase.  

[This2getsold]

On 3/23/2016 at 3:51 PM, Celia Rubenstein said:

 

 

 

 

The ownership of the apartment is still being litigated but I think it's just a matter of time before the fraud Jason committed with the trust results in his ass landing on the street.  Then it will be back to Bumfuck, Pennsylvania, to sleep on his co-conspirator's couch.   Oh well, he always said he wanted to spend more time with them, didn't he?  Maybe he will get his wish.

 

 

 

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/bethenny-frankel-done-paying-12k-a-month-to-ex-jason-hoppy-w199945

I've not kept up with this. What fraud did Jason commit with the trust? 

[Almost 3000]

2 hours ago, msblossom said:

From what I remember, it was Bethenny who kept wanting Jason to get more involved with SKG, he was the one that worked to get the distribution log jam cleared up in the beginning when they had several hundred liquor stores nationally interested in carrying SKGM, and existing liquor stores that could not get or keep product on their shelves. She was forever begging Jason to get more involved on a full time basis( season 1 BGM or season 2 BEA). He relented, quit his pharm rep position and was in charge of who-knows-what and had 2 of the 3 new employees under his direct supervision (season 3 BEA).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear I remember Bethenny wanting Jason involved at the preliminary negotiation table with her, Beam, and her SKG partner. And I do think Jason is entitled to a small percentage from the wealth generated from SKG during the years they were married, but nothing more.

I always thought that none of that was real but only their story because B had partners for the liquor deal. B wanted Jason to appear to be doing something, anything.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, msblossom said:

1 hour ago, This2getsold said:

I've not kept up with this. What fraud did Jason commit with the trust? 

Jason's mom notarized the trust documents associated with the apartment and was not licensed in NY to do so.  So the apartment reverted back to Bethenny's holding company. 

[Aunt Kiki]

7 hours ago, teapot said:

was that trip the one that Jill thought that Beth should've taken *her* on & part of their fight?  (I am so glad the details came out about B & J's fight;  it was so confusing that whole season....like, what???)

I believe it was.  That was the final straw for Jill.  She was already angry that Bethenny was being booked on shows and no one was booking them (B & J) as a team.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

The Zapruder film for me with the smoking gun will be if Bethenny's dad got her the connections for Kanbar and the  SKG deal. I believe that happened. Where's Jesse Ventura when ya need him? (In Mexico off the grid, I know I know). That's my conspiracy theory. 

Also, Jason should get a boatload of dough IMHO. 

Edited May 19, 2016 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[Aunt Kiki]

8 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

 

Wasn't that trust document notarized by Carole Hoppy without Bethenny's knowledge?  I thought that was the other piece of the "fraud".

 

JMO but if, in fact, Bethenny did convince Jason to quit his job, I don't think she had to exert much pressure or twist his arm.  I had several friends in the pharmacutical business in the 2010-2012  time frame (some were reps, some were HQ employees) that either lost their jobs or had their income severely cut because of consolidation.  Pharma companies are constantly merging and a large part of the acquired company employees are let go.  A friend of mine who works for a doctor told me that the weekly, fairly lavish lunches that the reps had catered into their office was cut to once a month, and then ended.  Drug samples and coupons that once were distributed like candy suddenly were cut to nothing.   He might have been caught in a similar situation. 

[bagatelle]

From what I remember, Beth met Jason, they hooked up and she got pregnant fairly quickly.

She wanted that baby and agreed to get married, but she never really loved the guy. It was pretty obvious, just watching her spin off, that she wasn't into him. Their honeymoon was painful.  Beth can usually talk a  mile a minute, but she had nothing to say to the guy and the chemistry wasn't there either.

[OhGromit]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Jason's mom notarized the trust documents associated with the apartment and was not licensed in NY to do so.  So the apartment reverted back to Bethenny's holding company.

It's true that her notary license was issued in Pennsylvania rather than New York.  That doesn't mean Bethenny was "defrauded" (which is the question the quoted post was responding to).  For there to be civil fraud, the person defrauded must have relied on the incorrect fact.  Was Bethenny focused on Jason's mother's notary license state of issuance when she decided whether to form the trust?  Of course not.  There was no fraud, just a technical mistake with the notarizing.  (I will add this snark-- it didn't stop Bethenny's lawyers from inaccurately claiming the court of appeal had found there was fraud.)

http://www.people.com/article/real-housewives-new-york-city-bethenny-frankel-pay-less-jason-hoppy

Edited May 19, 2016 by OhGromit

[teapot]

12 hours ago, Almost 3000 said:

I always thought that none of that was real but only their story because B had partners for the liquor deal. B wanted Jason to appear to be doing something, anything.

I kinda remember a conversation about Beth having found her passion and J really hadn't;  that she wanted him to love what he did, whether it be fixing computers or helping w/her business

[zoeysmom]

36 minutes ago, teapot said:

I kinda remember a conversation about Beth having found her passion and J really hadn't;  that she wanted him to love what he did, whether it be fixing computers or helping w/her business

That is what transpired on the show.  I did not blame Jason for not wanting to give up his job, there was nothing remotely attractive to want anyone to work for Bethenny.  People piled together in her home working-just not a great environment.  Any power and responsibility Jason would be given could be quickly vetoed by Bethenny.  It was not a good idea.  I am sure if Jason negotiated a deal for snack bars, Bethenny would let him know she could have done better.  It isn't that she is an awful person it is just how she operates. 

[shoegal]

I am rewatching Season 3 of RHONY, when Jason first made his appearance on the show, they had just started dating and spent the summer together, at the end of the summer Jason drops Bethenny off for drinks in the Hamptons, they are driving the Skinnygirl logo'd car.  They go to dinner and discuss moving in together (in which Bethenny flat out tells Jason she is tortured, damaged and mentally unstable) and lo and behold, there are not one but TWO bottle of Skinnygirl margarita at the bar behind them.  This idea that Jason was there before Skinnygirl was a thing is a whole lot of BS, Skinnygirl is all B.  

Edited June 1, 2016 by shoegal

[Otherkate]

On 5/18/2016 at 7:45 AM, motorcitymom65 said:

I remember it very differently.  I always saw Beth as the breakout star of the NY show, pretty much from the beginning.  I also never watched her other shows because I just didn't care, but she was a big deal to me because of the NY show.  She was already a success before she met Jason, although not to the same extent.  Didn't he benefit from her other shows as well? Did he work for free? I don't know much about him, but from what I have come to understand, they were both unhappy in the marriage and it wasn't a good fit from the beginning. It wasn't like he was desperately in love with her and she left him high and dry for another man. It didn't work and they split up. I think they are both at fault, and act ridiculous, but it seems to me like he is the one who just needs to move the fuck on. I never get why he is is defended in such a manner as if he is taking the high road. He just looks like a guy who has zero pride IMO. 

Same. I have no doubt B was on her way to a spinoff with or without him. I watched her spinoff because I liked her but found that relationship VERY difficult to watch. I would have been much happier without his charismatic-less ass there at all. I hated the way he handled her not being "normal" and his passive aggressive bullshit. If my friend was dating him, I would tell her to run for the hills.

And, yeah, I'm guessing that apartment and the support he gets paid is making him quite happy and much more attractive as well. Personally, I'm excited for this divorce to be over so he can fall even further into obscurity. Boy, bye.

[WireWrap]

I guess Bethenny will just say that it is Ok for them to be an item as they are both separated but how will she explain away her dating the estranged husband of her good friend of 20 years?  http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/08/bethenny-frankel-caught-holding-hands-with-her-friends-husband/  Well except for this blind item........ http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/07/hypocrite-housewife-the-wife-never-suspected/

Edited June 8, 2016 by WireWrap

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I guess Bethenny will just say that it is Ok for them to be an item as they are both separated but how will she explain away her dating the estranged husband of her good friend of 20 years?  http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/08/bethenny-frankel-caught-holding-hands-with-her-friends-husband/  Well except for this blind item........ http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/07/hypocrite-housewife-the-wife-never-suspected/

Dayum Wire, you are good.  I am telling you these women need to stop throwing around the hypocrite label.  Ouch!!!!

[ryebread]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I guess Bethenny will just say that it is Ok for them to be an item as they are both separated but how will she explain away her dating the estranged husband of her good friend of 20 years? 

Gross.  She probably won't say anything.  Because she doesn't care what people think.

In her pumpkinhead, she owes no explanations to anyone for anything.  So gross.  I wonder who her friend was. Past tense. 

[jnymph]

5 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I guess Bethenny will just say that it is Ok for them to be an item as they are both separated but how will she explain away her dating the estranged husband of her good friend of 20 years?  http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/08/bethenny-frankel-caught-holding-hands-with-her-friends-husband/  Well except for this blind item........ http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/07/hypocrite-housewife-the-wife-never-suspected/

Bethenny is a nasty piece of shit. 

[zoeysmom]

Okay, this may be what is happening.  Awhile ago, Bethenny who was kind of off the radar she made it seem as if there was a possibility she and massive Eric Stonestreet were dating.  She pulled this I don't discuss who I am dating, but we will be sleeping together tonight.  http://www.people.com/article/eric-stonestreet-bethenny-frankel-sleeping-together-watch-what-happens-live  It would not surprise me to find out Bethenny is pulling a similar stunt here.  To me this is like D List celebrity tricks.  You either have to be A++ list like George Clooney and be known for the great joke to  pull a stunt like this or do it and have people pity and despise you.   I don't know that I have ever seen Clooney actually fake a relationship for press but he has been known to pull some pranks.

[WireWrap]

23 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Okay, this may be what is happening.  Awhile ago, Bethenny who was kind of off the radar she made it seem as if there was a possibility she and massive Eric Stonestreet were dating.  She pulled this I don't discuss who I am dating, but we will be sleeping together tonight.  http://www.people.com/article/eric-stonestreet-bethenny-frankel-sleeping-together-watch-what-happens-live  It would not surprise me to find out Bethenny is pulling a similar stunt here.  To me this is like D List celebrity tricks.  You either have to be A++ list like George Clooney and be known for the great joke to  pull a stunt like this or do it and have people pity and despise you.   I don't know that I have ever seen Clooney actually fake a relationship for press but he has been known to pull some pranks.

I'm not so sure it is another stunt this time. They look cozy, really cozy with each other, that is an intimate way of holding hands.

[islandgal140]

7 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I guess Bethenny will just say that it is Ok for them to be an item as they are both separated but how will she explain away her dating the estranged husband of her good friend of 20 years?  http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/08/bethenny-frankel-caught-holding-hands-with-her-friends-husband/  Well except for this blind item........ http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/06/07/hypocrite-housewife-the-wife-never-suspected/

Oww. Dish the dirt! Dating your friend of 20 years husband even if they are separated - trifling!!!! Yet Bethenny is afraid to introduce 'fuck doll' Lu to her boyfriend. Yeah, ok!! 

It is kinda fun to see almost the universal vitriol being thrown at B over her screaming session with Lu. I could almost believe that B believed that the last episode would have the audience cheering in her corner. It did nothing but make Lu the underdog and victim and paint B as a bully. 

Edited June 8, 2016 by islandgal140

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Oww. Dish the dirt! Dating your friend of 20 years husband even if they are separated - trifling!!!! Yet Bethenny is afraid to introduce 'fuck doll' Lu to her boyfriend. Yeah, ok!! 

She doesn't discuss her dating life.  I wonder if she asked/told her friend before going semi-public.  Who were the other people with them?

 

ETA-What is with the Snoopy scarf-just every level of hypocrisy. 

Edited June 8, 2016 by zoeysmom

[jaync]

Man, Beth will fuck ANYBODY!

[izabella]

Can't wait to see Bethy holding hands around town with Mario next, lol. 

[NewDigs]

44 minutes ago, jaync said:

Man, Beth will fuck ANYBODY!

I heard she fucks EVERYBODY!

[jaync]

What's next, a Skinnygirl blow-up doll?

[islandgal140]

1 minute ago, jaync said:

What's next, a Skinnygirl blow-up doll?

Now with 50% less jaw!!

[seasick]

Skinny girl was a brand before Jason, (remember she asked Alex to do a logo for that Jill event?  It isn't the one she uses tho)  but it hadn't been sold for 100 mil. yet. She was still couch surfing at the Hamptons that summer as I recall, and trying to push her brand.

I always assumed those men at the racetrack that day were her biz connections. from Dad.  Remember that guy giving her a negligee as a birthday present? They were creepy..but otherwise why did she meet with them?  (I haven't seen these episodes in years;) 

I think Jason has a good argument for SG /Beam money.  Their apartment was the office. He lived SG 24/7 and even if it wasn't a formal business arrangement or a titled job, he supported, advised, helped.  He was a business partner in every way except without the title.  Actually, the fact that he wasn't 'employed' and 'paid' for that at that time bolsters this.  (otherwise her other employees could make similar claim)  

Maybe Jason was always a passive-aggressive prick.  But in all her (endlessly annoying)  boo-hoo-ing about how "i'm sick of you being the normal one and me being the damaged one, and everyone thinking you're so great" I never heard her say "but you're not.  I'm sick of your shit."until it was over over.     So how long can one listen to this no-win blame game?  (You resent me for your fucking problems??  WTF do you want from me?)   I'll bet once the Beam offer came she started to change.  B's all over you when she needs you, but once she succeeds ,you are a threat in knowing that she needed (any--even emotional) support and she doesn't want to know you.  Maybe Jason got a little pissed at her.  (ya think?)

[ryebread]

4 hours ago, seasick said:

I'll bet once the Beam offer came she started to change.  B's all over you when she needs you, but once she succeeds ,you are a threat in knowing that she needed (any--even emotional) support and she doesn't want to know you.  

Which is pretty much what her mom said in 2011 when Beth and Jason first got married:

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The Real Housewives of New York City star married businessman Jason Hoppy in March last year and the pair welcomed a daughter, Bryn, two months later.

'Right now, he is a good father, but soon she won't need him and she will dump him,' Birk told America's Star magazine. 

'Her husband seems like a really nice guy, but it won't last. He is really too weak for her.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045755/Why-Bethenny-Frankels-estranged-mother-believes-reality-TV-stars-marriage-end-divorce.html

I don't think you even have to be related to Bethenny to know she uses people and then dumps them. The guy she's dating is probably as rotten as she is.  If he's not, then he's probably deaf.  Or a saint.

[Giselle]

10 hours ago, jaync said:

What's next, a Skinnygirl blow-up doll?

Does it come with short brown hair and a painted on squash blossom necklace.

[jaync]

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Now with 50% less jaw!!

Hee. But it still comes full of hot air and with a mouth that's always open.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

It comes with a life preserver in case lost at sea.

[zoeysmom]

19 hours ago, ryebread said:

Which is pretty much what her mom said in 2011 when Beth and Jason first got married:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045755/Why-Bethenny-Frankels-estranged-mother-believes-reality-TV-stars-marriage-end-divorce.html

I don't think you even have to be related to Bethenny to know she uses people and then dumps them. The guy she's dating is probably as rotten as she is.  If he's not, then he's probably deaf.  Or a saint.

Since you brought up Bethenny's mom-didn't she jump from a marriage with Bethenny's dad to a marriage with one of her father's best friends?  Boundaries don't seem to apply with the Frankel women.

[jinjer]

12 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Since you brought up Bethenny's mom-didn't she jump from a marriage with Bethenny's dad to a marriage with one of her father's best friends?  Boundaries don't seem to apply with the Frankel women.

Geez apple really doesn't fall far from the tree.  These women are so hateful with the words they spew. I hope Bethenny never says shit like this about Bryn. This is one cycle that needs to stop. Can you imagine a mother saying this about her daughter? I mean I can after watching Bethenny this season, but damn. What f'ing dysfunction. (oops I meant to also quote the statement from Bernadette about Bethenny dumping Jason.)

Edited June 10, 2016 by jinjer

[One Tough Cookie]

2 hours ago, jinjer said:

Can you imagine a mother saying this about her daughter? I mean I can after watching Bethenny this season, but damn

You obviously never met MY mother--he was the champ at throwing her kids under the bus or saying awful things about them.

I honestly do think Jason is entitled to some SG revenue and I think he as more helpful to her at that time then he will EVER admit.

[PhilMarlowe2]

On 6/10/2016 at 5:44 AM, jinjer said:

Geez apple really doesn't fall far from the tree.  These women are so hateful with the words they spew. I hope Bethenny never says shit like this about Bryn. This is one cycle that needs to stop. Can you imagine a mother saying this about her daughter? I mean I can after watching Bethenny this season, but damn. What f'ing dysfunction. (oops I meant to also quote the statement from Bernadette about Bethenny dumping Jason.)

Yeah, I don't care what your kid has done or said - it says something about you if you're spreading malicious stuff about your own kid in the media.

[NewDigs]

On June 10, 2016 at 8:44 AM, jinjer said:

Geez apple really doesn't fall far from the tree.  These women are so hateful with the words they spew. I hope Bethenny never says shit like this about Bryn. This is one cycle that needs to stop. Can you imagine a mother saying this about her daughter? I mean I can after watching Bethenny this season, but damn. What f'ing dysfunction. (oops I meant to also quote the statement from Bernadette about Bethenny dumping Jason.)

I can't imagine that Bethy does not carry her acute toxicity home. Maybe she's not the shrieking harpy we've seen but I would guess that her adderal-fueled mouth continues to operate in overdrive. 

[WireWrap]

In reply to QuinnM post...."On BEA there was an argument over going to his parents every weekend. She wanted some quality time after working all week. His compromise was that he would just take the baby and she could stay in NYC.  She wanted the three of them to do things like walki in the park etc. he told her she had no idea how families worked. 

Every weekend?  

Next was his fathers behavior in front of staff after the divorce filing. They documented him walking around in his boxers and eating from craft services. 

But the creepiest behavior belongs to his mother who notarized a document giving him half the apartment.  A document the court ruled as fraudulent. Hence the big freeloader had to move after three years of Bethenny paying the roof over his head.

So she is probably a little distrustful of a couple of clinging criminals.

I!m answering since I believe them to be two of the creepiest people ever. And that was before they conspired to steal from her."

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Bethenny didn't want to see them more then a few times each year and never during the holidays. Yes, Jason wanted more and neither was willing to compromise but it was both of them, not just Jason.

We never heard/saw any proof that Sr. Hoppy did that, we only have Bethenny and her paid staff that he did it because she suddenly agreed to joint 50/50 custody after she took the stand, Jason never took the stand. Jason and his legal team have been very quiet in the public. The only "quotes" from his lawyer/team have been taken from court transcripts/documents and never the press/tabloids unlike Bethenny/lawyers/team.

As for his mother, she is a licensed NR in PA and Bethenny was well aware of that fact and Bethenny drew up those papers to begin with. The document wasn't forged nor was Bethenny's signature. She was the one that wanted the Trust set up and it was done by her/Jason, the only reason it was declared invalid/fraudulent was because the NR license was only good in Pa and not in NY.

I don't find it odd that his parents sided with/supported him during the divorce. They knew if Bethenny had her way, they would rarely get to see their only grandchild, someone that they love and adore.

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

In reply to QuinnM post...."On BEA there was an argument over going to his parents every weekend. She wanted some quality time after working all week. His compromise was that he would just take the baby and she could stay in NYC.  She wanted the three of them to do things like walki in the park etc. he told her she had no idea how families worked. 

Every weekend?  

Next was his fathers behavior in front of staff after the divorce filing. They documented him walking around in his boxers and eating from craft services. 

But the creepiest behavior belongs to his mother who notarized a document giving him half the apartment.  A document the court ruled as fraudulent. Hence the big freeloader had to move after three years of Bethenny paying the roof over his head.

So she is probably a little distrustful of a couple of clinging criminals.

I!m answering since I believe them to be two of the creepiest people ever. And that was before they conspired to steal from her."

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Bethenny didn't want to see them more then a few times each year and never during the holidays. Yes, Jason wanted more and neither was willing to compromise but it was both of them, not just Jason.

We never heard/saw any proof that Sr. Hoppy did that, we only have Bethenny and her paid staff that he did it because she suddenly agreed to joint 50/50 custody after she took the stand, Jason never took the stand. Jason and his legal team have been very quiet in the public. The only "quotes" from his lawyer/team have been taken from court transcripts/documents and never the press/tabloids unlike Bethenny/lawyers/team.

As for his mother, she is a licensed NR in PA and Bethenny was well aware of that fact and Bethenny drew up those papers to begin with. The document wasn't forged nor was Bethenny's signature. She was the one that wanted the Trust set up and it was done by her/Jason, the only reason it was declared invalid/fraudulent was because the NR license was only good in Pa and not in NY.

I don't find it odd that his parents sided with/supported him during the divorce. They knew if Bethenny had her way, they would rarely get to see their only grandchild, someone that they love and adore.

I don't recall Jason ever saying every weekend or if he did it was in response to Bethenny's wishes.  However I do think some grandparents can be a little over enthusiastic. 

Since Bethenny's hue and cry ahs been she is so damaged, and she did not have a traditional family and sport for her his tearing down her mom, there were some huge obstacles.  One thing I will say, is with her 100 million dollars I think she could have arranged for the Hoppys to come to NY once or twice a month, stay at a hotel and do some scheduled visits/plans.  Having them underfoot because she insisted on turning the family home into an office might be daunting.  Obviously, from her quest for being the primary custodial parent, Bethenny seems to lack the understanding conceiving a child with someone that she would have to share Bryn.  She wanted it all, had it and it involved a word Bethenny is not use to compromise.  Part of being a family is enduring activities that may not be what you wanted in the moment.  I can't imagine the Hoppys would be in the way during a walk in the park.  What dawned on me by the end of the season, Bethenny wanted to manage her life, Bryn's and Jason to coincide when she needed or wanted to socialize and with who they would socialize. Amazing how with the wisdom of Solomon once Bethenny was forced into a 50/50 arrangement how she able to arrange her work schedule

I am not knocking her as a mom but prior to the divorce, one of the things Jason asked, after returning from work, is that her Skinnygirl staff be out of the family home by 6:00 pm.  It was a strange dynamic, staff was okay to be around the child constantly but grandparents-not so much.  I think had they tried to work out feasible solutions, such as the Hoppy's visiting during Bethenny's taping days, they might have made it work.  If her sole reason for disliking the Hoppys was they wanted too much of her family time, there are reasonable ways to present it-and not I want to start our own holiday traditions and they don't include you. 

We have all seen Bethenny rip into Luann, on camera, unreasonable and not able to remember some of what she said, I can only imagine what Jason and his folks have been subjected to.  She is very clear, if she slams someone hard enough she can't fathom why they would ever want to be around her again.  Self-fulfilling prophecy. 

[HunterHunted]

As much as I can't stand Bethenny, I always felt that she was more right than wrong when it came to seeing Jason's parents every week. I thought it was a little much that Jason couldn't understand why she might want family time with just her family, Brynn and Jason. His parents also lived like 3 or 4 hours away. I just felt like it was a bad dynamic to get themselves into especially as Brynn starts growing she's going to have her own weekend activities like play dates, birthdays, sports and dance. And as the Hoppys visits with Brynn start to dwindle it's possible that they may start to resent Bethenny because they know she wanted to limit their visits. I feel like it's great if Brynn can build a relationship with her grandparents, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the relationship Bethenny and Jason had with each other and the relationship they have with Brynn. I felt like Brynn seeing her grandparents once a month was probably fine.

I was always disappointed in Jason when he couldn't compromise on this issue. Bethenny's childhood was dysfunctional, but he acted like there was something fundamentally wrong with her for not wanting to spend every weekend with her in laws. The fact that Jason couldn't even empathize with what Bethenny was saying clued me in that this marriage was not long for the world.

[zoeysmom]

5 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

As much as I can't stand Bethenny, I always felt that she was more right than wrong when it came to seeing Jason's parents every week. I thought it was a little much that Jason couldn't understand why she might want family time with just her family, Brynn and Jason. His parents also lived like 3 or 4 hours away. I just felt like it was a bad dynamic to get themselves into especially as Brynn starts growing she's going to have her own weekend activities like play dates, birthdays, sports and dance. And as the Hoppys visits with Brynn start to dwindle it's possible that they may start to resent Bethenny because they know she wanted to limit their visits. I feel like it's great if Brynn can build a relationship with her grandparents, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the relationship Bethenny and Jason had with each other and the relationship they have with Brynn. I felt like Brynn seeing her grandparents once a month was probably fine.

I was always disappointed in Jason when he couldn't compromise on this issue. Bethenny's childhood was dysfunctional, but he acted like there was something fundamentally wrong with her for not wanting to spend every weekend with her in laws. The fact that Jason couldn't even empathize with what Bethenny was saying clued me in that this marriage was not long for the world.

I never got that he didn't compromise.  During their marriage they rented a summer home in the Hamptons, travelled extensively, so I just don't know that I have seen that Jason was unrelenting on seeing his parents four times a month.  They had some huge miscommunications, from Jason throwing the wrong birthday party for her, to Bethenny buying him a golf weekend with his friends and not wanting his father on the trip.  Bethenny tends to wallow in the minutia.  There were so many ways to make it work, and if she no longer had any use for them once Bryn came along that is on her. 

I am not a grandparent, but I can only assume that once a month, if financially able is probably a little too infrequent.  I think it would be reasonable for the grandparents to trot into  NYC once a month and for Bryn to see them in PA once a month. 

I agree it is hard to put the genie back in the bottle once you reveal that you don't want that kind of schedule but they could have done it off camera and there is a little something out there called diplomacy.  It would not seem unreasonable to say, "travelling every weekend just doesn't work for us, let's work on a compromise."   I can't imagine anyone thinking that every weekend should be spent with them-be it friends or family.

[straightshooter]

The reason I asked the question earlier (on the Steel Calzone thread) was because I did watch BEA and all I remembered was the dispute about how often to visit his parents.   I remember it as that he was requesting that they see them twice a month, though - but even if he were wanting to go there every weekend, I still couldn't imagine her having such disdain for them based on that reason alone.  I wasn't aware of the other allegations.  Obviously neither side is a fan of the other.

Regardless of from where any of it stemmed, though, I do think that they knew she was a steamroller from day one and were ready to fight with everything they had to help Jason (and Bryn).  That's what most parents and grandparents do.  

[zoeysmom]

I think Bethenny's mom calling kind of blew Carol away.  Not the phone call but Bethenny's reaction.  She actually got a little testy with Carol over the situation. Not that there is anything wrong with the premise but Bethenny had a baby nurse for months and months living in the apartment which also acted as an office.  It might seem odd to the Hoppys that Bethenny would rather have strangers with Bryn than them.  Then there were the interns and assistants.  I remember the guy Max wandering around and packing Bethenny's underwear, the shaggy guy who Bethenny turned into a project.  Not much has changed not she is trying to turn the spotlight on her driver.  The point being Bethenny had no qualms literally stuffing their apartment with quasi-strangers (add the camera people and production crew), I can see why perhaps the solution would be leaving town.  There really isn't anything wrong with having a little fresh air, other than it meant leaving the circus at home. Finally, there was another character Cookie the biting dog.  The crew had to wear guards on the lower part of their legs because the dog bit them with regularity-who keeps an animal around that behaves that way without a muzzle?

I find this article where Bethenny calls the journalist "bottom feeders" who speculated she would write a book about her divorce.  Hypocrite much?    http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/bethenny-frankel-blasts-divorce-book-rumors

[NewDigs]

Once a week? Sounds like more than a bit much to me. Once a month can even sound a stretch to some people. Is that normal? I wouldn't want company in my home or have to plan activities that often. And I might not want them tagging along either. Seems there would be plenty of holidays and long weekends possibly planned to circumvent the rigors of what Jason was requesting. Imho he overshot the mark and had to be "punished", Bethy-style; loaded for bear.

But then allowing assorted staff and crews in daily and into the evening? Did she vet every single person? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me either way. 

And keeping an ankle-biter? No words. Except, maybe B trained him/her personally. Though she usually goes for the jugular. 

What right-thinking man would choose that after seeing her in action. Kind of says something about the guy. 

[WireWrap]

37 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

Once a week? Sounds like more than a bit much to me. Once a month can even sound a stretch to some people. Is that normal? I wouldn't want company in my home or have to plan activities that often. And I might not want them tagging along either. Seems there would be plenty of holidays and long weekends possibly planned to circumvent the rigors of what Jason was requesting. Imho he overshot the mark and had to be "punished", Bethy-style; loaded for bear.

But then allowing assorted staff and crews in daily and into the evening? Did she vet every single person? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me either way. 

And keeping an ankle-biter? No words. Except, maybe B trained him/her personally. Though she usually goes for the jugular. 

What right-thinking man would choose that after seeing her in action. Kind of says something about the guy. 

I never got along with my MIL but we went to see her/FIL every other weekend because it meant that much to my husband. Then after our son was born, it became important for our son to have a close relationship with them as well. I put my feelings aside and made the best of it because I loved and respected my husband/son more than I disliked my MIL. I have no regrets about doing that, it taught our son that although families aren't always perfect, they are worth the effort/work/commitment. Oh, and my In-laws lived 2.5 hours from us.

Bethenny put employees/strangers ahead of family because she can control strangers/employees much easier.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, NewDigs said:

Once a week? Sounds like more than a bit much to me. Once a month can even sound a stretch to some people. Is that normal? I wouldn't want company in my home or have to plan activities that often. And I might not want them tagging along either. Seems there would be plenty of holidays and long weekends possibly planned to circumvent the rigors of what Jason was requesting. Imho he overshot the mark and had to be "punished", Bethy-style; loaded for bear.

But then allowing assorted staff and crews in daily and into the evening? Did she vet every single person? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me either way. 

And keeping an ankle-biter? No words. Except, maybe B trained him/her personally. Though she usually goes for the jugular. 

What right-thinking man would choose that after seeing her in action. Kind of says something about the guy. 

I think it was the mixed message.  Take Carol wedding dress shopping, name the child after their deceased son, film with them. It was fine to have a variety of people camped out in their home but the Hoppys not so much.  I guess it doesn't really matter that Jason likes spending time with his parents, because when he invited his friends (people he hoped to incorporate in their lives) to celebrate B's birthday it was pandemonium.  I don't think Bethenny was on board to take on new friendships that didn't further her career.  I always believed her brand was the single  most important thing in her life and there may be an awareness problem as to 24/7 brand, even if the baby is in the same room with you, is not the same as leaving work at the door.  Bethenny said she liked the new man because he was busy and not hanging around.  Is it really hanging around being home?  Something tells me if Jason would have grabbed the kid and taken her to the park, while Bethenny toiled away, she would be angry for being excluded.

I have always thought they entered into their marriage with two strikes against them.   It always seemed to be more about the show and getting her mug in photo-ops than anything.  Take two almost 40 year olds, add a very headstrong self-centered woman, and a traditional kind of guy that not only needed to be subservient to head strong woman but also a take charge kind of guy.  So if he asserted himself, he was a bad guy, if he acknowledged the damaged woman she constantly identified herself to be, he was a prick, if he enjoyed the jet set lifestyle her largess provided them, he was a user and a fame seeker.  I do believe deep down Bethenny likes to be over the moon happy and in love, but once the newness wears off, it is down to the day to day basics, it becomes more about how to reshape the other person.  Maybe it is not her needs, but they way she presents them that was the downfall in the marriage.    

Edited July 3, 2016 by zoeysmom

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think it was the mixed message.  Take Carol wedding dress shopping, name the child after their deceased son, film with them. It was fine to have a variety of people camped out in their home but the Hoppys not so much.  I guess it doesn't really matter that Jason likes spending time with his parents, because when he invited his friends (people he hoped to incorporate in their lives) to celebrate B's birthday it was pandemonium.  I don't think Bethenny was on board to take on new friendships that didn't further her career.  I always believed her brand was the single  most important thing in her life and there may be an awareness problem as to 24/7 brand, even if the baby is in the same room with you, is not the same as leaving work at the door.  Bethenny said she liked the new man because he was busy and not hanging around.  Is it really hanging around being home?  Something tells me if Jason would have grabbed the kid and taken her to the park, while Bethenny toiled away, she would be angry for being excluded.

I have always thought they entered into their marriage with two strikes against them.   It always seemed to be more about the show and getting her mug in photo-ops than anything.  Take two almost 40 year olds, add a very headstrong self-centered woman, and a traditional kind of guy that not only needed to be subservient to head strong woman but also a take charge kind of guy.  So if he asserted himself, he was a bad guy, if he acknowledged the damaged woman she constantly identified herself to be, he was a prick, if he enjoyed the jet set lifestyle her largess provided them, he was a user and a fame seeker.  I do believe deep down Bethenny likes to be over the moon happy and in love, but once the newness wears off, it is down to the day to day basics, it becomes more about how to reshape the other person.  Maybe it is not her needs, but they way she presents them that was the downfall in the marriage.    

Just a guess here but Bethenny strikes me as a person that pushes people out of her life before they get a chance to dump her first. She wants to hurt them before they get a chance to hurt her. Her guard is always up, she never relaxes, she is always questioning why someone wants to be with her because she is so "damaged" which translates into they are even "more damaged" than she is, therefore they are not worthy.

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Just a guess here but Bethenny strikes me as a person that pushes people out of her life before they get a chance to dump her first. She wants to hurt them before they get a chance to hurt her. Her guard is always up, she never relaxes, she is always questioning why someone wants to be with her because she is so "damaged" which translates into they are even "more damaged" than she is, therefore they are not worthy.

I wish I had a time machine, I'd like to go about 15 years into the future to see just how Bryn turns out. 44

I pray for that child.

[NewDigs]

She's gonna be Bethy's mini-me.

[ElDosEquis]

Fuck that.

IF my in-laws wanted to come out and take the kid off my hands, I'd be over the moon.

I can see why the Hoppy's would want to see the child - Losing a child would certainly change my attitude about spending time with a little one. I am sure that as time went on, a more reasonable schedule would have been settled on.

I have to laugh when people start to talk about 'bonding' with their kids - they make it seem as if any minute that is spent away from their kids is going to destroy whatever 'bonding' that has already taken place? Kids are very resilient.

Push one over at the playground.........see?