"The View": Week Of 9/10/2018

[Apprentice79]

46 minutes ago, May Jacks said:

I can't believe Joy is still on that "Bernie woulda won" bs. People of color rejected him, he lost the primary by 4 million votes. He wouldn't have won shit. 

Plus, the right started calling him crazy Bernie, communist, socialist, atheist and there were also subtle digs concerning his Jewish background. 

Edited September 14, 2018 by Apprentice79

[GoldenGirl90]

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Edited September 14, 2018 by Alexis2291

[Vanderboom]

Drinking Game Alert:

• Take a shot/sip whenever Abby sagely states the obvious like it's some deep insight (e.g. "This is a complicated issue" or "Different people have different experiences").
• Take a shot/sip whenever Whoopi tries to preemptively respond to critics or mangles a saying (glass houses/stone).

[Bronzedog]

Free straws for everyone!!!!  YAY!!!

[GHScorpiosRule]

13 minutes ago, Vanderboom said:

Drinking Game Alert:

• Take a shot/sip whenever Abby sagely states the obvious like it's some deep insight (e.g. "This is a complicated issue" or "Different people have different experiences").
• Take a shot/sip whenever Whoopi tries to preemptively respond to critics or mangles a saying (glass houses/stone).

She’s taking a page from her dad’s book.

[Medicine Crow]

18 minutes ago, Vanderboom said:

Drinking Game Alert:

• Take a shot/sip whenever Abby sagely states the obvious like it's some deep insight (e.g. "This is a complicated issue" or "Different people have different experiences").
• Take a shot/sip whenever Whoopi tries to preemptively respond to critics or mangles a saying (glass houses/stone).

• I just had a baby (a year ago)!!

[SrOfficial]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

But that’s not what this show is about. It’s about sharing their own views.

I did say that that's what the producers want.   Seems to be working for them in the ratings.  Maybe the women's views are the ones they are sharing.  I can always tune out if I don't care for the mix of opinions.

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Because she’s a special and delicate

I think bereavement is very personal.  If she needs the time, why not take it?  I'm kind of shocked that people are begrudging time off (and I'm no Meghan fan).  

[Bronzedog]

I don’t know that people are begrudging Meghan time off because I don’t know anyone who wants to see her back. I think people are more pointing out how different Meghan’s reality is to most peoples  And, as I mentioned yesterday, I’m beginning to forget she’s part of the show  

Lucky Sunny gets to hawk the ‘deals’ now!

[Morgalisa]

12 minutes ago, SrOfficial said:

I did say that that's what the producers want.   Seems to be working for them in the ratings.  Maybe the women's views are the ones they are sharing.  I can always tune out if I don't care for the mix of opinions.

 

I think the conservative panelists are coached (Elisabeth) to represent their side more strongly or in a way to appeal the the base and not offend them. I have conservative friends who watch the show and that is what they want. 

Further, I think one of the reasons the show prefers the Elisabeth, the Meghan and the Abby types  to the Tara's and the Ana's, is because Tara and Ana have their own fully formed thoughts and ideas. And Meghan and Abby can be coached. I think that's why their knowledge seems so rudimentary. IMO.

[athousandclowns]

14 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:

He seemed sad. I have never known much about him and didn't even know about this story until he was on today. When the ladies were talking about what you can come back from, well... Like Sunny, I thought MacDonald came across genuinely sorry about what he said, unlike, say, Roseanne, and that makes the difference to me.

I'm pretty sure that David Letterman thinks he's the funniest comic in the business.  

[geekburger]

Today’s show has been the least awkward show since Abby joined so...step in the right direction?

Michael Moore got me shook because I remember exactly when he was on the View saying Trump would win.

[Tunia]

Count me as a huge fan of Michael Moore.  He's not afraid to give his insight or opinions, and I like his stance on most issues.  He's on our side, for sure.  His films are enlightening and very useful in showing the truths that are so often mangled.  I hope he stays active for a long time.

[Tammee]

14 hours ago, Marigny said:

The View's Twitter mentions are in shambles. Nice job, Abby! 

A.b.b.y. = The A is for Annoying lol

[sugarbaker design]

19 minutes ago, geekburger said:

Michael Moore got me shook because I remember exactly when he was on the View saying Trump would win.

Same here, I've been listening more closely to him ever since.  I loved when he brought up the huge number of the non-voting public.  That's who Dems should be reaching out to!

[Haleth]

35 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Same here, I've been listening more closely to him ever since.  I loved when he brought up the huge number of the non-voting public.  That's who Dems should be reaching out to!

“The largest political party is the non voters.”  That is a discouraging thought. See what happens when you take democracy for granted?

[TheViewFirst1]

1 hour ago, Morgalisa said:

I think the conservative panelists are coached (Elisabeth) to represent their side more strongly or in a way to appeal the the base and not offend them. I have conservative friends who watch the show and that is what they want. 

Further, I think one of the reasons the show prefers the Elisabeth, the Meghan and the Abby types  to the Tara's and the Ana's, is because Tara and Ana have their own fully formed thoughts and ideas. And Meghan and Abby can be coached. I think that's why their knowledge seems so rudimentary. IMO.

This is 100 percent true! I believe this! They also want someone who's going to fight Candace revealed that on Jenny McCarthy's show a few months ago and Jenny McCarthy was also told to be combative like Meghan. Also something that gives it away Meghan only presents "Trump Supporters views" not her own from what I have noticed.

[RHJunkie]

3 hours ago, May Jacks said:

I can't believe Joy is still on that "Bernie woulda won" bs. People of color rejected him, he lost the primary by 4 million votes. He wouldn't have won shit.

I'm going to defend Joy's point here (because I also happen to agree with it so it's easy for me to do, lol) - Bernie polled ahead of every Republican candidate in the primaries. Hillary in a number of polls was behind Trump should they end up head to head in the general election (which is of course what ended up happening). Early polling indicated that Bernie was in fact a stronger candidate for the Dem party.

And to the bolded, I wouldn't be surprised if that number was at least somewhat influenced by the number of registered independents that couldn't vote in the primaries because they live in a state that blocked registered independents unless they had re-registered by the deadline. I know states like California (over 25% of their registered voters are registered as independents) and Florida block independents but specifically in New York (there are over 3M registered independents in the state), I remember reading and hearing a lot of stories from Independents who didn't make the re-registration deadline because it was less than 3 months from the time that the primaries were launched which gave them little time to really get a feel for all of the candidates and make a decision on whether they wanted to vote in the primaries and for who they would vote for. Specifically, those complaining were Bernie supporters who said that they staunchly support his views and wished they were given more time to assess their options because now they were in the position where they had no say in the primaries.

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Lucky Sunny gets to hawk the ‘deals’ now!

AND...we get them on Fridays in addition to Mondays.  We are SO lucky!

[Dahlia]

Does anybody else groan out loud when Whoopie walks out on Friday?  (Everyday for me)

[blondiec0332]

16 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

'm going to defend Joy's point here (because I also happen to agree with it so it's easy for me to do, lol) - Bernie polled ahead of every Republican candidate in the primaries. Hillary in a number of polls was behind Trump should they end up head to head in the general election (which is of course what ended up happening). Early polling indicated that Bernie was in fact a stronger candidate for the Dem party.

Those were polls.  And we all know how accurate polls turned out to be.

[May Jacks]

16 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I'm going to defend Joy's point here (because I also happen to agree with it so it's easy for me to do, lol) - Bernie polled ahead of every Republican candidate in the primaries. Hillary in a number of polls was behind Trump should they end up head to head in the general election (which is of course what ended up happening). Early polling indicated that Bernie was in fact a stronger candidate for the Dem party.

And to the bolded, I wouldn't be surprised if that number was at least somewhat influenced by the number of registered independents that couldn't vote in the primaries because they live in a state that blocked registered independents unless they had re-registered by the deadline. I know states like California (over 25% of their registered voters are registered as independents) and Florida block independents but specifically in New York (there are over 3M registered independents in the state), I remember reading and hearing a lot of stories from Independents who didn't make the re-registration deadline because it was less than 3 months from the time that the primaries were launched which gave them little time to really get a feel for all of the candidates and make a decision on whether they wanted to vote in the primaries and for who they would vote for. Specifically, those complaining were Bernie supporters who said that they staunchly support his views and wished they were given more time to assess their options because now they were in the position where they had no say in the primaries.

He lost because people of color rejected him. Not some fanciful idea more independents couldn’t vote. There are a million articles on this. IT is insulting to suggest that all of those votes from southern states would have been a wash if they had. Once HRC won South Carolina it was a wrap. superdelegates didn’t do that, the people did 

[Former Nun]

On 9/13/2018 at 11:19 AM, Ms. Anthrope said:

These two positions Sunny holds don't align.

 

23 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

And back to Sunny, she lost me on her pro-life comments. I’m not sure how you can be pro-woman and be pro-life when what that really means is advocating for politics to regulate a woman’s body. 

Previously I wondered if Sunny was truly as anti-abortion as she presents...but she was so passionate on the show, I believe she is "pro-life" as far as abortion is concerned.  Her old-fasioned Catholicism and her family probably account for her not changing course.

[Orillia]

I find it a bit odd that they haven't even said a simple " Meghan's fine and will be back soon " . Other than the intro, I don't think they've mentioned her. 

[May Jacks]

Michael Moore is a disgusting turd because every election year he goes around casting democrats as just as bad as republicans. Hyping up third party candidates Shit gets bad then goes on a book tour or movie promotion tour doing his chicken little routine but at the same continues to add to the narrative that dems are just as bad and still hyping up third party candidates like Nader/Bernie. He goes to gloat about being right all along(he predicted Romney would be president but no one talks about that). 

 

He he is a vulture 

[RHJunkie]

41 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

Those were polls.  And we all know how accurate polls turned out to be.

They were accurate enough for me personally. The fact that there was any poll that Clinton lost to Trump was enough for me to think that it wasn't as much of a slam dunk as many media outlets I saw made it out to be.

38 minutes ago, May Jacks said:

He lost because people of color rejected him. Not some fanciful idea more independents couldn’t vote. There are a million articles on this. IT is insulting to suggest that all of those votes from southern states would have been a wash if they had. Once HRC won South Carolina it was a wrap. superdelegates didn’t do that, the people did 

Well it's a good thing I never claimed it was a wash or that was THE reason for Sanders loss. I made the comment in reference specifically to the raw numbers and that the number would be less if some independents weren't blocked from voting. That's a fact. Whether their votes would have made any difference to the primary results or a noticeably smaller gap in the voting results is not something I argued at all in my post because I don't know that.

35 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Previously I wondered if Sunny was truly as anti-abortion as she presents...but she was so passionate on the show, I believe she is "pro-life" as far as abortion is concerned.  Her old-fasioned Catholicism and her family probably account for her not changing course.

I always believed she was pro-life but I also thought she believes in the separation of church and state and the laws shouldn't be govern by the religious laws of any one particular religion. Her questions came across a bit more personal and judgemental to me compared to most of her other interviews.

[TheGreenKnight]

5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

But that’s not what this show is about. It’s about sharing their own views. Not parroting talking points or what’s written for them on the blue cards. If Abby agrees with those poInts-fine-STATE why she does instead of reading and not explaining why she agrees or disagrees.

I agree, both Abby and McCain are stiff as boards with no capabilities for a talk show format. They're also from the same background (rich / white / military / FOX employee / daughter of Republican politician), another strike against the concept of the show being "women from different backgrounds giving their views." Finding a conservative who knows how to fit the vibe of a talkshow can't be that difficult considering Paula, Ana, Tara, and Nicolle were fine.

[SrOfficial]

41 minutes ago, May Jacks said:

Michael Moore is a disgusting turd

 

He he is a vulture 

I think it is valuable to hear various opinions.  He adds an alternative perspective.

1 hour ago, Orillia said:

I find it a bit odd that they haven't even said a simple " Meghan's fine and will be back soon " . Other than the intro, I don't think they've mentioned her. 

Perhaps they think if they ignore her she will go away.  ?

[ChicagoCita]

1 hour ago, SrOfficial said:

Perhaps they think if they ignore her she will go away.  ?

After her eulogy, which I thought was brave and necessary (although I'm still not a Meghan fan!), her approval rating is sky-high. Most people don't know the Meghan we saw for 80% of a season on The View. There was even talk about her filling in the rest of Sen. McCain's term.

You better bet that The View is going to promote the hell out of her return. We won't be able to miss the run-up. For that reason, I think that it's not imminent, or they'd be saying "Meghan will be back next week," etc.  

[MMEButterfly]

7 hours ago, May Jacks said:

"I won't judge a woman for her choices in a marriage, but what about Hillary not being transparent in her personal anguish." Abby Nepotism Huntsman

 

I can't believe Joy is still on that "Bernie woulda won" bs. People of color rejected him, he lost the primary by 4 million votes. He wouldn't have won shit. 

 

I hate Michael Moore btw.

These words really hit me. It is virtually impossible to be "transparent" in your personal anguish. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 hours ago, SrOfficial said:

 

I think bereavement is very personal.  If she needs the time, why not take it?  I'm kind of shocked that people are begrudging time off (and I'm no Meghan fan).  

I’m not begrudging Meghan her bereavement leave. I called her a speshial and delicate ❄️ because this show feels the need to show her in the intro when she hasn’t returned as a way to demonstrate she’s not forgotten because she’ll have a fit if she’s not coddled. As if she’s the ONLY one to ever have lost a loved one to cancer.

[iwasish]

4 hours ago, May Jacks said:

Michael Moore is a disgusting turd because every election year he goes around casting democrats as just as bad as republicans. Hyping up third party candidates Shit gets bad then goes on a book tour or movie promotion tour doing his chicken little routine but at the same continues to add to the narrative that dems are just as bad and still hyping up third party candidates like Nader/Bernie. He goes to gloat about being right all along(he predicted Romney would be president but no one talks about that). 

 

He he is a vulture 

And he’s incredibly wealthy and refuses to talk about that. 

[SrOfficial]

I'm pretty sure Meghan is being shown in the intro because she's still on the show.  How cruel would that be to take her out of the intro.  I don't know why one would assume she's being given special treatment.  If Joy suffered some kind of loss, everyone would scream blue murder if she were deleted from the intro.  Seems kind of mean spirited to have hissey fits because she's on leave and still considered part of The View.

18 minutes ago, iwasish said:

And he’s incredibly wealthy and refuses to talk about that. 

Why would he talk about it?  Everyone would go nuts if he flaunted his wealth.  It's no secret, in any case.

[GHScorpiosRule]

11 minutes ago, SrOfficial said:

I'm pretty sure Meghan is being shown in the intro because she's still on the show.  How cruel would that be to take her out of the intro.  I don't know why one would assume she's being given special treatment.  If Joy suffered some kind of loss, everyone would scream blue murder if she were deleted from the intro.  Seems kind of mean spirited to have hissey fits because she's on leave and still considered part of The View.

Because they only show the hosts who ar going to be on that day. It’s always been that way. Even last season, on days when Meghan or Joy, or Sunny weren’t on, they weren’t shown in the introduction. I see this as continued special treatment for Meghan.

Edited September 15, 2018 by GHScorpiosRule

[maggiemae]

In the past any co-host not there on the live show was not featured in the intro. Hence, MM being treated "special."

[SrOfficial]

13 hours ago, maggiemae said:

In the past any co-host not there on the live show was not featured in the intro. Hence, MM being treated "special."

Probably out of respect for her bereavement.   

Meghan is such a bitch for taking the time off that she needs.

Edited September 15, 2018 by SrOfficial

[Tunia]

48 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Because they only show the hosts who ar going to be on that day. It’s always been that way. Even last season, on days when Meghan or Joy, or Sunny weren’t on, they weren’t shown in the introduction. I see this as continued special treatment for Meghan.

Have to respectfully disagree with you on the "always" part, GHS, because I think that's only been true for the last two seasons.  That was one of the changes that I really appreciated...that you could tell who was on that day by the intro.  I remember it being a "Whoa" moment!

[CheezyXpressed]

1 hour ago, SrOfficial said:

I'm pretty sure Meghan is being shown in the intro because she's still on the show.  How cruel would that be to take her out of the intro.  I don't know why one would assume she's being given special treatment.  If Joy suffered some kind of loss, everyone would scream blue murder if she were deleted from the intro.  Seems kind of mean spirited to have hissey fits because she's on leave and still considered part of The View.

Why would he talk about it?  Everyone would go nuts if he flaunted his wealth.  It's no secret, in any case.

Maybe it's like this now, because they don't have a Paula who is only there on Fridays, but they use to only mention the hosts who are hosting in the intro. It's been like this for a while now.

Still, in the beginning of this season they only introduced the four hosts. Then, I think by the middle of this week, they started showing Meghan's name which made everyone think she'd be on only for her to not be there. Each day, I keep thinking she's going to show up due to the intro only for her not to be there.

[Tammee]

1 hour ago, maggiemae said:

In the past any co-host not there on the live show was not featured in the intro. Hence, MM being treated "special."

There was the time Whoopi lost her mom and brother, i think pretty close together.  I dont remember how long she was out and how they did the intro.

[Morgalisa]

Whoopie's mom died at the very end of August while she was in London I think doing Sister Act. She returned to the View when they returned around Sept 7, I think. When her brother died I seem to recall her taking just a few days. I saw an interview where she said she does better if she stays busy and she prefers to work.  Everybody grieves differently and the amount of time one spends grieving has no correlation to how much the deceased was loved.

[After7Only]

Hated the discussion about Hillary and Julie Chen.  Neither owes anyone an explantation on why they decided to stay with their husbands.  It’s really no one’s business.  While it’s probably not a decision I would make, I know many people make the decision to stay with spouses who cheat or do other negative things for a variety of reasons.  I also don’t think Julie Chan forfeits her right to discuss sexual harassment of others in the future, just because her husband sexually harassed someone and she chose to stay.   Now she can’t pull a Melania and try to be a champion of the #metoo movement.....lol.  But it shouldn’t prevent her from discussing the topic when it occasionally comes up on The Talk.   

[Onceafan]

16 hours ago, Tunia said:

Count me as a huge fan of Michael Moore.  He's not afraid to give his insight or opinions, and I like his stance on most issues.  He's on our side, for sure.  His films are enlightening and very useful in showing the truths that are so often mangled.  I hope he stays active for a long time.

I feel the opposite about Michael Moore I find him to be a hypocritical person, who lives exactly like the people he attacks. I will never forget how he spouted off that he doesn't own any stocks in any of corporations, then it came out in his IRS statements during his divorce that he had a broker and owned stocks in pharmcetical companies, boeing and Halliburton.

He talks about rich white ceo's living in their gated communities, while he a multi millionaire lived in a gated lake community in Michigan near Madonna, and sold it for 5 million. He also lived in a multi million apartment in Manhattan upper west side, and sends his daughter to a private school.

He travels by private jet, aND this white man who speaks so much about inequality and racism, according to an ex business partner has only hired two persons of ethnicity out of 150 he has worked with on his films.

His estimated net worth is near 50 million placing him in the 1 percent that he's so vocal about. So in summary he's a rich white guy, who lives in a predominately white gated lake community, but now spends his time in Manhattan as he sends his daughters to private schools, and invests in the same companies as the people he attacked. 

Nope I'm not a fan of him.

[ginger90]

Next week:

[TheGreenKnight]

15 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Because they only show the hosts who ar going to be on that day. It’s always been that way. Even last season, on days when Meghan or Joy, or Sunny weren’t on, they weren’t shown in the introduction. I see this as continued special treatment for Meghan.

No doubt the spoiled, little, rich girl threw a fit by phone shrieking at them to show her in the intro this week in case the viewers think she was fired. I remember near the end of last season, she noticeably made comments about how, after this show, she's moving to Montana. And that she wasn't fired after she disappeared a few days following her attacks on David Hogg and the Florida gun shooting survivors on the show, when everyone on Twitter had been speculating she'd taken a suspension instead of apologizing on-air. And as soon as she inked her contract for the new season, she was shouting it from the rooftops all over the place. All I can guess is it was job insecurity because everyone was betting on her getting fired because of how awful, disgusting, and incompetent she is. 

Whenever she finally does get kicked out the door--and it can't happen soon enough--her meltdown will be delicious.

[Apprentice79]

17 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I always believed she was pro-life but I also thought she believes in the separation of church and state and the laws shouldn't be govern by the religious laws of any one particular religion. Her questions came across a bit more personal and judgemental to me compared to most of her other interviews.

She came across as a church lady judging the doctor, she had such a tone that Whoopie had to remind her that Abortion is legal, so, Planned Parenthood is not doing anything illegal.  She did not care about the fact that they provide healthcare to low income women. The fact that they provided abortions stuck in her craw.  

[rollacoaster]

6 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

She came across as a church lady judging the doctor, she had such a tone that Whoopie had to remind her that Abortion is legal, so, Planned Parenthood is not doing anything illegal.  She did not care about the fact that they provide healthcare to low income women. The fact that they provided abortions stuck in her craw.  

That is her view, and it is a view that millions of Americans share. It's not a view I share, but, I am OK with her having it and expressing it. 

[Apprentice79]

33 minutes ago, rollacoaster said:

That is her view, and it is a view that millions of Americans share. It's not a view I share, but, I am OK with her having it and expressing it. 

I have no problem with her having her view. I just did not like how she was interrogating the doctor.  

Personally, I will never understand why Americans are still obsessed with this topic. It is settled law.  Those who want to overturn it, pass laws to slowly chip away at it to make it obsolete.   They have also done that with voting rights, civil rights e.t.c.  

Edited September 15, 2018 by Apprentice79

[blondiec0332]

Sunny is entitled to her beliefs about abortion but so is every other woman.  I thought she was very obnoxious to the doctor.   As a lawyer she should respect the law. Makes me wonder if her beliefs would have influenced her decisions as a prosecutor. 

Edited September 15, 2018 by blondiec0332

[athousandclowns]

re: Norm 

I have  to say after watching 3 episodes I loved him and the show.  We were talking about his odd affect and now I believe he may  have been pulling our collective legs after watching when he's comfortable. I recommend it you're not turned off by profanity cause it comes from everyone.  

[ari333]

I really hate new girl... and did jah know she had a baby 9 months ago? 

[Haleth]

And that he father is the ambassador to Russia?