S08.E13: Crying Shame

[hoodooznoodooz]

I’m surprised Dorit didn’t remark on how much champagne Erika poured into her glass.

 

eta: It was practically overflowing.

Edited March 19, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[Silo]

How many times have we seen Kyle move? She has to be bordering on a Brandi Glanville number of times lol

[ParadoxLost]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I think Teddi is simply out of her depth on this show. I don't really believe she is trying to stir the pot. I think she genuinely believes honesty is always best. But this isn't real life. You have to be a bit more calculated when dealing with the RH. She either needs to develop some game, or she isn't going to last

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Erika was MEAN tonight. And I normally like Erika. I don't even have so much of an issue with her immediate reaction at dinner. I don't like to be called a liar either. That was basically what Teddi said, even if not intended. I do believe Erika didn't remember. She was just trying to play pacemaker that night and probably said a lot of things. But, no, it was her THs that really put me off. Calling Teddi a crybaby? Not nice. 

Again, Teddi is just out of her depth. You can't expect to operate under normal social graces in this context. Pick a lane, stick to it. 

I agree, Teddi has a totally normal way of reacting to crazy that doesn't work on a show like this.  When someone (like Erika) goes completely psycho in a way that is out of proportion for the situation and gives no benefit of the doubt to the other person, Teddi apologizes, disengages, and tries to diffuse this situation. Erika and Dorit take that at weakness and go in for the kill.

I think that reaction is somewhat instinctual and I don't know that it would be particularly easy to change.

I kind of think based on the blogs that Teddi needs a full season to work out how to deal with the women on the show and might be able to handle it better in a second season.  She is reacting like this is reality / normal right now.  Unfortunately for Teddi, everyone else is either the "villain" or intentionally staying out of the drama because they know how the show works and are really image conscious.  I don't think Teddi is helped by being on the show by virtue of a celebrity parent rather than having a show "friend" which requires an actual or storyline dictated allies to back her up until she gets used to the show.

[islandgal140]

Funniest sentence uttered all evening was from Erika saying women should be more independent. ERIKA. The chick who can't scratch her ass without her slug lipped sycophant telling her how fab it is that she can do that. The chick who can't even pack a suitcase for a trip without 7 gays putting together a lookbook for her. The chick who can't travel without a 4 person glam squad. Sure bitch!

Edited March 14, 2018 by islandgal140

[Misslindsey]

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I also felt Teddi was not on her game tonight.  She looked pale and the cheekbones painted on. She was extra extra emotional and Erika was extra extra extra bitch. Erika would have had me crying too you can't win with these bitches.  

I would have cried. It was not just Erika's over the top aggressive response that got me. It was the way she (and Dorit) spoke condescendingly and down to Teddi is what would upset me more. I hate when people try to make others feel stupid and small. Though I am a cryer, so Erika would call me a crybaby as well.

[ParadoxLost]

3 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

I would have cried. It was not just Erika's over the top aggressive response that got me. It was the way she (and Dorit) spoke condescendingly and down to Teddi is what would upset me more. I hate when people try to make others feel stupid and small. Though I am a cryer, so Erika would call me a crybaby as well.

Yeah.  I sympathize with Teddi here  Honestly, I deal better with the Dorit's of the world because I won't put up with that condescending crap.  The Erika's who go out of proportion crazy, that is something I back off of because you can't reason with crazy and its best not to try.  Everyone else can see that they are crazy so there is no need to prove you are right in that situation.

I think that the rest of the women not doing much of anything to try to help would have been the most upsetting to me. 

Really, LvP was the only one that really tried.  It must be a cold day in hell because LvP was the MVP of this episode.  I don't think I've had a decent opinion of her since S1.

[eclectcmoi]

Fast forwarded through the scenes about Dorit's swimwear line... yawn.

Fast forwarded through Erica's photo shoot... double yawn.

Enjoyed seeing Eileen though and thought she looked beautiful and so elegant. Something Erika wouldn't ever be even with all her (Tom's) money.  Money can't buy you class indeed. Then at the dinner when Erika went off on Teddi,.. The way Erika's voice dropped and got husky (just like in Hong Kong), I really expected her head to spin around and pea green soup to come out of her mouth.  She's downright scary and looks possessed in those moments. 

29 minutes ago, ticklemepink said:

Erika sucks, but then I remember that she has to share a bed with a man approaching 90, and the world makes sense again. Karma. 

I doubt very much this ever happens.  Erika and Tom probably don't even share the same wing of that huge house let alone a bed. 

Kyle's new house and the outdoor space... gorgeous!  Loved that it's an older estate with original details. 

Dorit... please go away. 

[BlackMamba]

2 hours ago, ivygirl said:

This dinner (?) conversation has confirmed three things:

1. Dorit is ridiculous 

2. Erika is ridiculous 

3. Teddi should be on RHOC, where the fights are louder and the ladies are more prone to tell/yell it like it is rather than do the “subtle” side remark thing

Correct on all 3!

I'm in the minority, but not going to give Teddi any sympathy points.

She has proven herself that she's a bone carrier.  I don't even care much for Dorit but it's true that it seems like every time someone says something in the group she runs and tells everyone INDIVIDUALLY.   She even told LVP.  Why??  If you have nothing to hide let's call it out in the group.  Again she's a bone carrier.  She doesn't want the messaging to be flipped on her.  

Teddi if you going to stir thing up you better take accountability as the bone carrier. 

[Rahul]

2 hours ago, nexxie said:

Erika’s (Tom’s) house doesn’t fit her at all, design-wise.

No matter. I'm sure Tom's spawn will have her booted once he croaks.

[GreenlinetoHarlem]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

 

 

1 hour ago, enchantingmonkey said:

Why do you think Erika dislikes Teddi so strongly?  

I think it goes back to the beach house. IMO Teddie was really insensitive saying repeatedly how "weird" it was that Erika didn't stay overnight when she was so sick with cramps and the ladies were up drinking and twerking all night. Erika felt embarrassed and she's a grudge holder who hates to be embarrassed. 

That was insensitive of Teddie who I think is not a very thoughtful person. She's very sensitive when it comes to her own feelings, not so much with other people's. Her sense of righteousness blinds her. And she's a drip and a dud. I just can't stand her! The more I see, the less I want to see. This week she stirs up this old shit with Rinna for no reason and runs crying away from the fallout. What fun. She just does not belong on this show.

[Mindthinkr]

28 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Funniest sentence uttered all evening was from Erika saying women should be more independent. ERIKA. The chick who can't scratch her ass without her slug lipped sychophant telling her how fab it is that she can do that. The chick who can't even pack a suitcase for a trip without 7 gays putting together a lookbook for her. The chick who can't travel without a 4 person glam squad. Sure bitch!

Also the chick who needs her husbands money to bankroll the whole shebang. 

[Reality police]

I was really let down by Erika tonight.

1) The explosion on Teddi.

2) After her threat to Dorit last week about the ball gag, I haven't seen her challenge Dorit on taking it as a joke. What happened to the crucifixion? She had the perfect opportunity at her house, one on one. Nothing, crickets......

I have always kinda liked Erika, but very disappointed in her tonight.

[WireWrap]

46 minutes ago, princelina said:

I think she does - showing off her plane and her tacky "designer" clothes and "glam squad" and thinking we all want to be Erika Jayne.  None of which I admire or covet, although I don't mind Erika herself most of the time, and I do feel sorry for her because I think she has an empty life.  And I don't like being called a liar either, so I get why she was pissed, but when Teddi backed down she should have too, and apologized for her aggression.

 

All Erika had to say was that she "didn't remember saying it" but that Yes, she would have been hurt had a friend said that about her, which is what Teddi was pointing out/talking about. What she, Erika, did instead was say that she "may or may not" have said it and then avoided giving her opinion about Dorit's LisaV comments. But, Yes, Teddi handled it badly. Still, Erika's reaction to it was over the top nasty/aggressive, especially when she continued to be like that even after Teddi said she was sorry.

Edited March 14, 2018 by WireWrap

[WireWrap]

Erika is getting blasted on twitter! 

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[Rahul]

Erika has a hair-trigger temper. You never know what will set her off. However, I have discovered two things about her outbursts

(1) She hears things that were never said. In Hong Kong, Eileen never spoke ill of Erika's son or his profession as a cop but she was up in arms and took great offense over nothing. This year, Teddi never called Erika a liar nor alluded to her being one but she heard "liar."

(2) She turns into a lunatic from the wrong-side-of-the-tracks when triggered. Designer threads be damned. Erika's true colors are on display during her epic (and senseless) meltdowns.

It's interesting to see what actually does trigger these outbursts because as Teddi astutely observed, why have such a disproportionate reaction if there was no seed or kernel there? 

If I were to play armchair psychologist, Erika has suppressed her guilt over abandoning her only child when he was young. Hence the bizarre reaction to Eileen last year. This year, Erika jumped out of her skin when Teddi suggested she conveniently forgot that she said she would have been likewise upset if Dorit made remarks about her being a needy friend in public. My estimation is that Erika is needy in a sense (even if it is not for the affections of affluent ladies who lunch--she requires the approval of her mother, husband and of course her gays) and she may or may not forget statements she has made when they do not come down on the side of the narrative she has chosen later.

[Steph J]

22 minutes ago, GreenlinetoHarlem said:

 

I think it goes back to the beach house. IMO Teddie was really insensitive saying repeatedly how "weird" it was that Erika didn't stay overnight when she was so sick with cramps and the ladies were up drinking and twerking all night. Erika felt embarrassed and she's a grudge holder who hates to be embarrassed. 

That was insensitive of Teddie who I think is not a very thoughtful person. She's very sensitive when it comes to her own feelings, not so much with other people's. Her sense of righteousness blinds her. And she's a drip and a dud. I just can't stand her! The more I see, the less I want to see. This week she stirs up this old shit with Rinna for no reason and runs crying away from the fallout. What fun. She just does not belong on this show.

I think it goes back further than the beach house. My recollection (which I'm going to admit upfront may be colored by hindsight because this was now so looooooong ago) is that Erika was already kind of hostile towards Teddi during the Vegas trip. I think that Erika's dislike of Teddi has been solidified since then because their personalities just don't mesh, but it feels like Erika came into it ready to dislike Teddi for whatever reason (because she grew up privileged, because she's young/pretty, because she has a hot husband, because of something else - who knows?)

[hoodooznoodooz]

That’s what Erika considers “pushing back”?

I am so glad LVP stepped in. But Erika thinks she’s concerned for Erika. 

You had tears in your eyes, too, Erika. 

[film noire]

3 hours ago, nexxie said:

Erika loses her shit once again - she’s scary.

And why IS Erika losing her shit on Teddi,  anyway?

As an accusation "Pretend to have amnesia" should be nothing to a woman who pretended to be a single mother raising her son -- compared to that fakery, any supposed accusation of duplicity should be a walk on the (beverly) beach.

Edited March 14, 2018 by film noire

[eclectcmoi]

1 hour ago, Silo said:

How many times have we seen Kyle move? She has to be bordering on a Brandi Glanville number of times lol

I only remember Kyle living in this same house.  She had morally corrupt Faye Resnick redecorate for her in the early seasons though.  She also has that fab house in Palm Desert too. 

Just now, hoodooznoodooz said:

That’s what Erika considers “pushing back”?

I am so glad LVP stepped in. But Erika thinks she’s concerned for Erika. 

You had tears in your eyes, too, Erika. 

I thought the same thing. That wasn't a push.  That was more of a shove off a cliff! 

[CatMomma]

2 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

Fuck you Erika! Fucking joke!

Just wasted an hour of bullshit, and I gotta agree.  Erika can fuck the hell off. 

She was awful. 

[breezy424]

Ok.  Just to clarify.  Kyle did live in another house her first season.  Maybe it was a couple of seasons.  I truly don't remember.  She then moved to the house she was in this season.  Sooo, we've only seen Kyle move twice.

On a side note:  I really liked Kyle's 'second' home but I absolutely get why they bought the house in Encino.  It's gorgeous.  I love older homes and I am prejudged. 

[princelina]

48 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

All Erika had to say was that she "didn't remember saying it" but that Yes, she would have been hurt had a friend said that about her, which is what Teddi was pointing out/talking about. What she, Erika, did instead was say that she "may or may not" have said it and then avoided giving her opinion about Dorit's LisaV comments. But, Yes, Teddi handled it badly. Still, Erika's reaction to it was over the top nasty/aggressive, especially when she continued to be like that even after Teddi said she was sorry.

Yes.  The reason Teddi bugs me, in addition to butting into everyone else's fights that she shouldn't even be part of, is the superior, "above it all" attitude she gets.  No one likes smug and supercilious.  She could have reminded Erika that she said it as they were walking up the fire stairs, or she could have just calmly said, "Well I do remember, and you said it" with a smile.   But the way she loftily said, "Your pretend amnesia right now is confusing me" - I don't believe she was confused at all, which means she was (IMO) implying that Erika was lying.  This is not the first time she has been "confused" about something, which to me seems to be code for "I don't believe what you are saying".  Erika definitely reacted too aggressively, which she should have apologized for.  I don't think she was reading something into what wasn't there; Teddi was implying she was lying.  Maybe she got so pissed because she knew she was too?  LOL

[film noire]

6 hours ago, GreenlinetoHarlem said:

 She just does not belong on this show.

I think Teddi is a great addition to the show.

She's completely different in temperament and perspective, and it's fresh blood the group needed, imo. I love that she's terrible at shopping but great at riding (which requires deep communication with an animal, always admirable to me) and I like that she's connected to her body in a physical, hands-on way (not just as an object to be dressed and bejeweled and diplayed). I like her gorgeous beach house view and her crappy kitchen counters, I like that she grew up the daughter of a major celebrity and you'd never know it from her demeanour, I love that she doesn't shriek obscenities, call other women a c*nt as some supposed grand jest, or claim to be an independent ice queen while going all Godfather crazy-ass wannabe Michael and Fredo on people  (btw, Erika? You're the Fredo).  I even like Teddi's name -- always liked girls who could rock a boy's name (wish I'd been called James) -- so I'm pleased Teddi joined the show, and in this little showdown tonight, I'll take the crybaby in riding boots over the whore-baby in thigh-high boots any day of the week ;)

Edited March 14, 2018 by film noire

[ivygirl]

56 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Erika is getting blasted on twitter! 

Good! And most of them are FAR nicer than Erika was, and also nicer than 57% of Twitter users.

Erika, take your tag line back. It IS ice, not diamonds.

[sheetmoss]

40 minutes ago, eclectcmoi said:

I only remember Kyle living in this same house.  She had morally corrupt Faye Resnick redecorate for her in the early seasons though.  She also has that fab house in Palm Desert too. 

I thought the same thing. That wasn't a push.  That was more of a shove off a cliff! 

Faye seems to be helping her w /this reno - Kyle mentioned Faye's name while flipping through furniture  catalog when talking to Mauricio

[lunastartron]

I have generally found Erika repugnant (although I think she's been pretty benign this season, speaking broadly) and never especially liked Dorit (but favored her arguments during season seven). 

And yet Teddi is much more basic and idiotic from my perspective. To me, Erika's pyrotechnics in Hong Kong were the height of nuttiness - she literally commenced a crying jag over a figure of speech and verbiage that was never even approximated, let alone said. 

But "pretending amnesia" is, to me, tantamount to explicitly accusing someone of lying. What else does "pretend" suggest other than dishonesty? 

Relatively speaking, that was a pretty tame reaction toward Teddi both from Erika in particular and the franchise at large. Nothing about that apptoached Bethenny shrieking misogynistic epithets at LuAnn like a hyena in labor; Carole getting physical with Aviva in her own home or saying "it's hard to watch her eat" in front of Jules; the  verbal scrums in which the OC cast find themselves consistently; etc. 

Teddi's whole ethos makes no sense to me: "don't say things that you know will hurt your friends' feelings" but DO play runtelldat with literally months-old material and, yes, very much so repeat statements that you yourself evidently know will be hurtful for the parties in question to revive. 

"Don't say things that you know will hurt feelings" but do use pejorative words like "weird" to describe them. And discuss how weird they are behind their backs. But don't rush to confess this/hold yourself accountable even though you feel the need to apply that standard to remarks made 90 days ago by others.

Accountability for the win! Except when you yourself are called out on the barbed language you're using like "pretending amnesia." Then, it's time to go cry. 

"if you dont remember, why would you get so upset?" is some Rinna-esque I-must-be-accurate-because-obviously-I-hit-a-nerve bullshit. And ironic in the context of the fact that Teddi has been quick to get teary over Erika not once now but twice. So ... I guess Erika's takes on Teddi must be striking a chord per Teddi's own logic. 

"If you don't feel like you said/did anything wrong, then why the fuck do you care what I say?" exclaimed the woman who launched a crusade to make Dorit admit her transgressions over whether or not she was 20 minutes vs 40 minutes late. And the woman who cared very much how and where and to whom Dorit articulated her stemware preferences. 

Edited March 14, 2018 by lunastartron

[CrinkleCutCat]

I did not like how Dorit was grabbing at Teddi’s arm trying to hold her back from leaving the table/drinks session. Her speaking went from calm, mild and persuasive to aggressive in an instant. (I watched it back a few times as I found it quite disturbing).

D: “I don’t like when I see someone like that...you don’t understand...you can’t...  [with a jerk back on Teddi’s arm on the word ‘cant’, for emphasis, which made Teddi quickly glanceback at Dorit] ...

T: “ I’m not even upset about you Dorit”.

D: “ Listen to me.... because the thing is... the [volume escalates and tone changes] THING is I’M upset. I’M THE ONE THAT is upset with YOU! You’re not ALLOWED to be upset”.

 

I soooooo wish Teddi was quick on her feet (with her words!). Dorit and Erika need a decent dose of what Teddi really thinks!

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, lunastartron said:

I have generally found Erika repugnant (although I think she's been pretty benign this season, speaking broadly) and never especially liked Dorit (but favored her arguments during season seven). 

And yet Teddi is much more basic and idiotic from my perspective. To me, Erika's pyrotechnics in Hong Kong were the height of nuttiness - she literally commenced a crying jag over a figure of speech and verbiage that was never even approximated, let alone said. 

But "pretending amnesia" is, to me, tantamount to explicitly accusing someone of lying. What else does "pretend" suggest other than dishonesty? 

Relatively speaking, that was a pretty tame reaction toward Teddi both from Erika in particular and the franchise at large. Nothing about that apptoached Bethenny shrieking misogynistic epithets at LuAnn like a hyena in labor; Carole getting physical with Aviva in her own home or saying "it's hard to watch her eat" in front of Jules; the  verbal scrums in which the OC cast find themselves consistently; etc. 

Teddi's whole ethos makes no sense to me: "don't say things that you know will hurt your friends' feelings" but DO play runtelldat with literally months-old material and, yes, very much so repeat statements that you yourself evidently know will be hurtful for the parties in question to revive. 

"Don't say things that you know will hurt feelings" but do use pejorative words like "weird" to describe them. And discuss how weird they are behind their backs. But don't rush to confess this/hold yourself accountable even though you feel the need to apply that standard to remarks made 90 days ago by others.

Accountability for the win! Except when you yourself are called out on the barbed language you're using like "pretending amnesia." Then, it's time to go cry. 

"Why would you get upset if you weren't lying?" is some Rinna-esque I-must-be-accurate-because-obviously-I-hit-a-nerve bullshit. And ironic in the context of the fact that Teddi has been quick to get teary over Erika not once now but twice. So ... I guess Erika's takes on Teddi must be striking a chord per Teddi's own logic. 

"If you don't feel like you said/did anything wrong, then why the fuck do you care what I say?" exclaimed the woman who launched a crusade to make Dorit her transgressions over whether or not she was 20 minutes vs 40 minutes late. And the woman who cared very much how and where and to whom Dorit articulated her stemware preferences. 

 

Hi Luna-  I agree about the tameness of Erica towards Teddi after being called a liar again.  Kyle was far worse to both Dorit and LVP in New York and for far longer.

The problem with Teddi is she is not quoting Erica correctly.  Erika never said LVP would be hurt.  A drunk Erika said, after dodging Teddi's original inquiry, "I'd be a little pissed."  No one said boo to Dorit at the dinner. The controversy isn't what anyone said after the dinner in NY it is what was said by Dorit and to Dorit.  

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Teddi's whole ethos makes no sense to me: "don't say things that you know will hurt your friends' feelings" but DO play runtelldat with literally months-old material and, yes, very much so repeat statements that you yourself evidently know will be hurtful for the parties in question to revive. 

On WWHL they showed a clip from next week and Teddi calls Dorit

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to apologize over repeated the Rinna comments and admits they were self serving.  Then Teddi bitches Dorit didn't behave correctly after the apology.  When has Teddi ever apologized to anyone?  Teddi seems to think she has done a lot of apologizing

Not a spoiler any longer.  Teddi admits on twitter she should not have told Rinna what Dorit said three months earlier.  Of course she calls it accountability.  

I messed up. I like @lisarinna and in the moment I was thinking if it were me I would want to know, so I told her what had been said. It wasn't the right thing to do and I hold myself accountable for it. #RHOBH

6:10 PM - 13 Mar 2018

I call BS, Teddi told Rinna as soon as Rinna said she was enjoying Dorit's company.  Teddi wants a trifecta-Kyle, LVP and Rinna (to be a buffer from Erika) and thought bumping Dorit from the competition would help her with her goal.

I hope Rinna can move past Teddi's gossip session.  I wonder if Rinna will continue to defend Erika when there is no apology to Tedddi.  Time will tell.

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[lunastartron]

5 hours ago, ivygirl said:

This dinner (?) conversation has confirmed three things:

1. Dorit is ridiculous 

2. Erika is ridiculous 

3. Teddi should be on RHOC, where the fights are louder and the ladies are more prone to tell/yell it like it is rather than do the “subtle” side remark thing

If Teddi starts crying when Erika hisses/tears up at her brush-offs, she'd be a puddle at Tamra going for the crudest, most personally offensive attack she could think of and/or Kelly vulgarly popping off. 

5 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Didn't they introduce the young woman as the 'designer'? 

I don't know the specific structure of Dorit's company but fashion labels often staff multiple designers, even if only one has their name on the product. 

At some, there may be a creative director who has no training in design per se but is the lead on shaping the themes/motifs/references/and directions every season. 

[lunastartron]

11 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Hi Luna-  I agree about the tameness of Erica towards Teddi after being called a liar again.  Kyle was far worse to both Dorit and LVP in New York and for far longer.

The problem with Teddi is she is not quoting Erica correctly.  Erika never said LVP would be hurt.  A drunk Erika said, after dodging Teddi's original inquiry, "I'd be a little pissed."  No one said boo to Dorit at the dinner. The controversy isn't what anyone said after the dinner in NY it is what was said by Dorit and to Dorit.  

On WWHL they showed a clip from next week and Teddi calls Dorit

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to apologize over repeated the Rinna comments and admits they were self serving.  Then Teddi bitches Dorit didn't behave correctly after the apology.  When has Teddi ever apologized to anyone?  Teddi seems to think she has done a lot of apologizing

I hope Rinna can move past Teddi's gossip session.  I wonder if Rinna will continue to defend Erika when there is no apology to Tedddi.  Time will tell.

Hi, zoeysmom! Thanks for mentioning the bolded. It stood out to me as well as a distinction substantial enough that Erika could plausibly not recall/know what Teddi was referring to. 

And for the spoiler as I don't often catch WWHL. 

For all of her self-righteousness about the behavior of others, I don't recall Teddi offering any sort of mea culpa when, for instance, she declared that Erika was "weird." Didn't she just sneer in her th "don't do weird shit and I won't call you weird"? 

Cool! Then don't deliberately provoke/suggest people are lying and then they won't make you cry!

[yourmomiseasy]

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

It doesn't! It looks like Tom's mother, or previous wife, designed it and she's never changed a thing.

 

This is when she's at her best. Rinna is a great Greek chorus. She just needs to refrain from inserting herself in the drama. 

She is probably still trying to get permission from the boss to make any changes.

 

6 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

So this s basically a shell company to launder money.

Dorit's original swimwear line wasn't as successful as she claims if she is deferring all decisions to PK who basically said his job was talent management on Megan Kelly

Without the second sentence, given what was shown in the episode, I'd think the first sentence actually refers to Erika Jayne's music "career."

 

So it was another yawn worthy episode of Rich Ladies Go Out To Eat and Fight Over Nothing.  That is all they do anymore.  I need to start keeping count of how many different restaurants there are in each episode. 

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, lunastartron said:

Hi, zoeysmom! Thanks for mentioning the bolded. It stood out to me as well as a distinction substantial enough that Erika could plausibly not recall/know what Teddi was referring to. 

And for the spoiler as I don't often catch WWHL. 

For all of her self-righteousness about the behavior of others, I don't recall Teddi offering any sort of mea culpa when, for instance, she declared that Erika was "weird." Didn't she just sneer in her th "don't do weird shit and I won't call you weird"? 

Cool! Then don't deliberately provoke/suggest people are lying and then they won't make you cry!

Originally LVP, on the landing of the stairwell, tried to ascertain from Erika if she agreed with what Teddi was peddling and Erika said she would like to redirect.  It was after LVP left Teddi continued-which served no purpose.

I always kind of figured after Kyle was screaming obscenities at Dorit and crying and carrying on-over information she pretty much made up about what Dorit said about LVP had set a new low only to be surpassed by Kyle screaming LVP was kissing Dorit's ass in a hotel lobby.  Erika's treatment of Teddi didn't even earn an honorable mention-this season.

LVP trying to convince Dorit that Teddi was just trying to tie up loose ends and Dorit letting LVP know it was BS and wait until Teddi does it to her and see how it feels.

It was all Erika's fault that after repeatedly insulting Erika, Erika pulled back from Teddi petting her and Teddi broke down into tears, claimed Erika made her feel worthless, sent everyone packing and canceled the day's activities.  I am thinking she can't be too angry at Dorit for trying to comfort her.

I found Dorit, who I maintain still does not get that it is not necessarily flattering to speak of being jealous or express one's need for another's friendship admission to Erika refreshing.  

[TurtlePower]

6 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

I agree, Teddi has a totally normal way of reacting to crazy that doesn't work on a show like this.  When someone (like Erika) goes completely psycho in a way that is out of proportion for the situation and gives no benefit of the doubt to the other person, Teddi apologizes, disengages, and tries to diffuse this situation. Erika and Dorit take that at weakness and go in for the kill.

I think that reaction is somewhat instinctual and I don't know that it would be particularly easy to change.

I kind of think based on the blogs that Teddi needs a full season to work out how to deal with the women on the show and might be able to handle it better in a second season.  She is reacting like this is reality / normal right now.  Unfortunately for Teddi, everyone else is either the "villain" or intentionally staying out of the drama because they know how the show works and are really image conscious.  I don't think Teddi is helped by being on the show by virtue of a celebrity parent rather than having a show "friend" which requires an actual or storyline dictated allies to back her up until she gets used to the show.

Erika is very good at attacking and going nuts, just like she did on Eileen last season (who did nothing to deserve Erika's tirade). Erika claims to be real but what's real is this:  she is mean. I wish Teddi had called her out on that, but it's hard to think fast when you're not used to being verbally attacked.

I hope Teddi is like "screw this shit" and moves on--not because I don't think she can hang, but rather because I don't want to see her turn into one of these clowns--even for Beverly Hills, these bitches are completely over the top. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

6 hours ago, eclectcmoi said:

I doubt very much this ever happens.  Erika and Tom probably don't even share the same wing of that huge house let alone a bed. 

I was thinking the same thing. She may have signed to service him bi-monthly for the generous allowance, but I seriously doubt that it goes um, deeper than that.

[imjagain]

6 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I would have cried. It was not just Erika's over the top aggressive response that got me. It was the way she (and Dorit) spoke condescendingly and down to Teddi is what would upset me more. I hate when people try to make others feel stupid and small. Though I am a cryer, so Erika would call me a crybaby as well.

Me too. I get angry I start to cry. 

I agree, I hate when people go out of their way to make people like they are stupid. Erika's "how are you feeling in this friend group?" Was vile. Way to make another person feel like an outsider.  I have never really had an issue with Erika , sure I've enjoyed her less this season but damn I can't stand her now.  She went in on Teddi like a bitch . I was annoyed last season when she went in on Eileen last season,  but at leat she apologized and saw how awful she was.

Watching Dorit  mockingly laugh and point at Teddi while pretty much saying to Erika can you believe this bitch? Pissed me off.

[biakbiak]

6 hours ago, GreenlinetoHarlem said:

IMO Teddie was really insensitive saying repeatedly how "weird" it was that Erika didn't stay overnight when she was so sick with cramps and the ladies were up drinking and twerking all night. Erika felt embarrassed and she's a grudge holder who hates to be embarrassed

Teddi repeatedly used the word weird because she was acknowledging to Erika that she had said it. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

OMG. You won’t believe what Dorit was wearing on WWHL. One caller described it as “disco quarterback.”

Jerry O’Connell told Dorit that she was the most beautiful HW, but he may have done that so that he could then criticize most of her behavior during the rest of WWHL.

I wonder if Erika has ever flipped out at Tom Girardi.

Edited March 14, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[Snappy]

11 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Dorit was on Megan Kelly today and they showed a clip for the new episode.

I think she and PK are discussing Beverly Beach

They show Dorit's TH and she says:

Well I can fire PK but I still have to sleep with him

Talk about "jumped the shark". MK must be uber desperate to have Dorito as a guest.

 

8 hours ago, rho said:

I think Teddi is really shaping up to be Dorit 2.0 especially with Lisa grooming her as the new pet project. They're eerily similar. Two betas trying to be the alpha, and that's probably why they don't get along very well.

I don't see this at all. In fact, I seem them as polar opposites. One, being Dorit, is extremely desparate for attention and validation from everyone, and has changed herself physically to help her gain that. Someone who spends a whopping, 2 seconds with her kids as she whisks them in and out of the car, greets them at the door, or as she walks through a room they're in. The second, Teddi, has physically changed but for herself and health reasons. No matter what the  PC say, being overweight is not healthy, safe, or sexy. She literally says "This is me, like it or not." including being a true friend who doesn't like to hear bad things said about someone, and holding others accountable when they aren't being truthful. Granted, at this point she needs to back out of the dog fight and let Dorito sink her own ship. She also seems to truly enjoy being with her kids doing silly things kids do, instead of treating them like accesories.

I loved seeing Eileen and do wish she were still on. She always looked so cute, stylish and classy (I'm trying to forget the farmer jeans). I didn't love her passive/aggressive stuff, but seeing her last night was like a breath of fresh air.

Finally, does Mauricio have any clothes that DON'T advertise his real estate company? We know you own it. We know the name. Stop with the self advertising already.

Edited March 14, 2018 by Snappy

[SuprSuprElevated]

17 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I wonder if Erika has every flipped out at Tom Girardi.

Probably depends on the pre-nup, and how much she is awarded in the event of a split.

7 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Talk about "jumped the shark". MK must be uber desperate to have Dorito as a guest.

Saw her early this morning on a Harry Connick Jr. rerun.  Didn't watch it.

[ivygirl]

3 hours ago, lunastartron said:

If Teddi starts crying when Erika hisses/tears up at her brush-offs, she'd be a puddle at Tamra going for the crudest, most personally offensive attack she could think of and/or Kelly vulgarly popping off. 

I think the crying was actually provoked by anger and frustration as well as hurt. Erika and Dorit both have a way of posturing that probably gets under Teddi’s skin—and they can both be very snide. And neither really ever is “accountable” in a way that Teddi finds acceptable. Erika’s meanspiritedness comes out of nowhere and is prompted at random moments. She also can’t take criticism at all.

In contrast Tamra and Kelly can be rude and crude... but they don’t put on airs and they’re pretty upfront about stuff. Like Rinna, in a way. (Rinna doesn’t screech, but she does say whatever is on her mind.) I see Teddi getting along with them (and I think Teddi and Tamra actually do get along and like each other), OR just arguing and not crying.  I think the one she’d really have problems with is Vicki, who is dodgy and never owns anything, and Lydia*, with her smug superiority and sparkle princess schtick. 

I just think she’d do better in the RHOC dynamics. Plus, they cry more on that show. ;)

[jaybird2]

I just cked and vile, despicable erika jane doesn't have a blog, maybe because  she' would have admit/recognize  she's  wrong!  Yes, I know most have not this season.

[Josette]

8 hours ago, hoosier80 said:

Ericka's been out in CA for how long?  We don't see an of her real life friends.  She also lived in NYC for a while.  Surely she has a friend back from the old days who would film a scene with her? 

Well, in this episode Erika claimed to be talking to her girlfriends about old times for the book.  I never knew she had any girlfriends. 

[Mr. Miner]

4 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

She is probably still trying to get permission from the boss to make any changes.

She probably has to ask for every little fucking thing. I would get tired of that real fast.

[Mindthinkr]

9 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

You’ve got that right. That’s why you always bet on us (horses/equestrians/jockeys). 

 

Edited to add: Remember that barns need all kinds of animals to function. Cats to smell out the rats. Goats who always have to be above you and an ass...well whether you need it one is usually there and if you tread on it’s terrtory or make it mad it will attack you viciously. Then there’s the dog. No reason needed other than they are loyal and nice to have around. 

This show is turning into Animal Farm. 

[Caseysgirl]

Eileen had to give Ericka a spot on her show to get in to her good graces; hope Teddi doesn't have to get Daddy to perform with Ericka to get her to be pleasant to her.

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, Caseysgirl said:

Eileen had to give Ericka a spot on her show to get in to her good graces; hope Teddi doesn't have to get Daddy to perform with Ericka to get her to be pleasant to her.

I don’t think that Erika deserves Teddi doing her that favor. 

[TurtlePower]

4 minutes ago, Caseysgirl said:

Eileen had to give Ericka a spot on her show to get in to her good graces; hope Teddi doesn't have to get Daddy to perform with Ericka to get her to be pleasant to her.

Anyone who's "pleasantness" is earned by being given extraordinary favors doesn't deserve real friendship. I hope Teddi doesn't do a thing above and beyond for Erika--it wouldn't be real and it would just feed Erika's already over-inflated ego. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Geez. How snide was Erika when Dorit told her that Teddi and LVP are becoming closer friends. “Because of the riding horses thing,” or whatever she said, while lowering her eyelids.

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Probably depends on the pre-nup, and how much she is awarded in the event of a split.

I agree that it would be in her best interests to be on her best behavior with Tom. But when something triggers her, she seems to lose control and seems blinded by rage. 

[kokapetl]

I’m kind of surprised to hear that people ever liked Erika.