S07.E05: HIGH HOPES

[druzy]

Farrah plans a family trip to Italy. Bentley starts third grade and Maci is still determined to keep him away from Ryan until he passes a drug test. Amber is depressed after breaking up with Matt. Catelynn and Tyler finally get a date to visit Carly.

[GreatKazu]

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Farrah plans a family trip to Italy. Bentley starts third grade and Maci is still determined to keep him away from Ryan until he passes a drug test. Amber is depressed after breaking up with Matt. Catelynn and Tyler finally get a date to visit Carly.

Farrah pays for a family trip to Italy (nothing wrong with that). Bentley starts third grade (yay!). Maci is still determined to keep Bentley from Ryan even though he really doesn't care to see his son. Meanwhile, Maci continues to text while driving. Amber is depressed (when isn't she depressed?) after realizing Matt took her money and now she has no one to feed her. Cateylynn and Tyler keep pushing B&T to commit to a date so they could see their daughter and post photos of her with numerous hashtags.  

[meredithalmighty]

I may just download this episode because I would love to see Italy. I know her trip to Greece was covered by starcasm but I wasn't aware of Italy as well. Good for her seeing the world

[Tatum]

6 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Amber is depressed (when isn't she depressed?) after realizing Matt took her money and now she has no one to feed her.

You know, stealing is wrong, but someone made a really good point on an earlier episode thread that Matt was basically her personal assistant, chauffeur, caretaker, and therapist for 3 years. So, if it makes her feel better, she kind of got Matt to do 4 jobs for the price of one? Maybe she actually hustled him.

[GreatKazu]

18 minutes ago, Tatum said:

You know, stealing is wrong, but someone made a really good point on an earlier episode thread that Matt was basically her personal assistant, chauffeur, caretaker, and therapist for 3 years. So, if it makes her feel better, she kind of got Matt to do 4 jobs for the price of one? Maybe she actually hustled him.

I remember that comment. 

The way I view it is, Matt was willing to do anything if it meant he can get his grubby paws on Amber's money somehow. He probably wiped her ass after every dump she took. I am laughing right now thinking of Amber being so loaded on pills and booze that she thought Matt was taking care of her when in reality, he paid someone (with Amber's money) to come in and do it for him. 

[TexasGal]

I love how Farrah is acting like Sophia just independently isn’t interested in seeing Deb.  It couldn’t possibly be because you have been bad mouthing Deb in front of her for what - months?

[Isthisok]

Did Ryan say it would take up to a year for him to pass a hair follicle test??? THE FUCK KIND OF SMACK WERE YOU DOING???

[Emkat]

High hopes indeed. Please tell me this episode title is directed at Ryan.

[FlowerofCarnage]

Not buying what you are selling, Ryan. You've never been excited to spend time with Bentley and IMO, you resent his existence. This about Jenn and Larry wanting their time with Bentley back  and them putting the pressure on you to make it happen!

So little Hudson makes his Teen Mom debut. How much is MTV paying for his father to allow him to appear on the show.

 

Well, Tyler, if you want to maintain a relationship with Carly, you may want to put some effort into maintaining a relationship with her actual parents.

[CaliforniaLove]

"Amber said she's getting blinded by the sun."..."she's used to the moon." Lol, go Kristina! Agreed with everything Gary said about Ambular stepping it the fuck up.

 

12 minutes ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

Well, Tyler, if you want to maintain a relationship with Carly, you may want to put some effort into maintaining a relationship with her actual parents.

Well, they should worship the ground he walks on...he GAVE them the right to be parents!!!

[Jax7917]

Amber might even beat out jenelle with being the most disinterested mom on the series ( although they're probably tied ) . She's sooo depressed yet she's A ok to fly to Vegas to see Matt to work things out, have a camera crew and friend at her house laughing together  .. but she can't go down the block to see her daughter who she " wishes she could snuggle and watch movies with more than anything ."

[Linny]

Catelynn and Tyler's fixation on visiting Carly and watching her play with Nova is nothing more than wish fulfillment of what life could be like if the adoption hadn't happened. They brush aside any concerns that Carly could be confused by the visit and focus only on their own gratification of seeing their fantasy life play out for a day. They still call Carly "my kid" and "Nova's sister," both terms which are disrespectful to Carly's actual parents and family. It's so frustrating that even after eight years, Catelynn and Tyler lack the maturity and selflessness to understand that Carly is her own person deserving of a life without having to shoulder the unrealistic hopes and expectations of her biological parents.

Mackenzie's dress was ostentatious, and it's probably ill-advised to spend a bunch of money throwing a big wedding so early into Ryan's sobriety, but I don't expect better from her after everything we've seen. Interesting that her son was finally on camera, guess she figured they needed a kid to pad their scenes since Bentley hasn't been around.

What the fuck kind of concoction was Sophia brewing up? Was that shaving cream mixed with glue?? What a weird kid. Farrah is refreshingly normal with Michael, to the point where I really do believe a lot of her problems stem from Debra, not just Farrah herself. Helping with the engagement was sweet and I liked seeing her genuinely happy around Michael and his fiancée.

It kills me every time we see Amber with ten pounds of makeup on doing nothing but lounging in bed. Got to put on makeup for the cameras but fuck if she's willing to sit upright somewhere she can't be swaddled by blankets. She's kidding herself if she thought flying across the country to see Matt was anything other than an invitation for him to try to weasel his way back into her life and most importantly her bank account.

[Chris Knight]

11 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Amber might even beat out jenelle with being the most disinterested mom on the series ( although they're probably tied ) . She's sooo depressed yet she's A ok to fly to Vegas to see Matt to work things out, have a camera crew and friend at her house laughing together  .. but she can't go down the block to see her daughter who she " wishes she could snuggle and watch movies with more than anything ."

And she's only seen Leah 2x all summer?! That's really sad.

Sophia looked positively deranged in the preview for next week.

[WhosThatGirl]

I mean.. still find Farrah to be the most tolerable.

Maci I get but the way she talks I. Her higher than mighty attitude bugs- also her cursing at Bentley is not cute or funny and reminds me of how young a mother she really is. It just happens all the time. And I mean I’m not a prude or anything of that nature but bentley is a kid.. also I would think she wouldn’t want that to represent herself on television but whatever. And I’m not a saint so I should not be throwing stones I know but i hardly spend any real time with kids and when I do, I understand certain things or words should not be said. It’s just odd to me how freely she says these things. 

Edited December 19, 2017 by WhosThatGirl

[pheebs]

Re: That driving scene near the end of the episode...When did Uppa-Class Ambuh get Little Edie for her new Rent-a-Friend?

[FlowerofCarnage]

6 hours ago, Linny said:

Catelynn and Tyler's fixation on visiting Carly and watching her play with Nova is nothing more than wish fulfillment of what life could be like if the adoption hadn't happened. They brush aside any concerns that Carly could be confused by the visit and focus only on their own gratification of seeing their fantasy life play out for a day. They still call Carly "my kid" and "Nova's sister," both terms which are disrespectful to Carly's actual parents and family. It's so frustrating that even after eight years, Catelynn and Tyler lack the maturity and selflessness to understand that Carly is her own person deserving of a life without having to shoulder the unrealistic hopes and expectations of her biological parents.

Mackenzie's dress was ostentatious, and it's probably ill-advised to spend a bunch of money throwing a big wedding so early into Ryan's sobriety, but I don't expect better from her after everything we've seen. Interesting that her son was finally on camera, guess she figured they needed a kid to pad their scenes since Bentley hasn't been around.

What the fuck kind of concoction was Sophia brewing up? Was that shaving cream mixed with glue?? What a weird kid. Farrah is refreshingly normal with Michael, to the point where I really do believe a lot of her problems stem from Debra, not just Farrah herself. Helping with the engagement was sweet and I liked seeing her genuinely happy around Michael and his fiancée.

It kills me every time we see Amber with ten pounds of makeup on doing nothing but lounging in bed. Got to put on makeup for the cameras but fuck if she's willing to sit upright somewhere she can't be swaddled by blankets. She's kidding herself if she thought flying across the country to see Matt was anything other than an invitation for him to try to weasel his way back into her life and most importantly her bank account.

Sophia was making homemade slime; it's all  the rage with kids nowadays.  

Edited December 19, 2017 by FlowerofCarnage

[fetching]

Did Farrah get a personality transplant? 

She's even wearing less makeup and pushing the hyper sexualized look all the time. 

[Isthisok]

Farrah: she was downright pleasant with Michael’s girlfriend, she was receptive to her parenting advice... are we in the upside-down? I feel like Ryan must have felt when he sobered up and realized that blonde chick he banged that time was now living in his house saying they were married. 

 

Maci: I understand her feelings regarding Bentley’s safety, and doing the unpopular thing and keeping him away from Ryan and his parents for the time being. It’s weird to me how indignant Jen and Larry are since it wasn’t that long ago that Larry was swearing off Ryan forever for robbing him. PS Ryan, it actually does matter if a kid’s life jacket is too big. 

 

Cate & Tyler: They were blathering about how B&T needed to get over their fear of answering questions, because they would have to answer those same questions for Nova one day. I was thinking Nova won’t have to ask her parents who those two random overly-affectionate garbage people are that show up every once in a while, but she actually will... those people are Butch and April. 

 

Amber: Have we ever witnessed the manic side of her bipolar? I feel like we only get the depressed sofa sloth side.

[VioletNevermind]

I have to say, I wouldn’t blame Brandon and Theresa one bit for slamming the door closed on the adoption until Carly is 18 and can make the decision to engage with Catelynn and Tyler on her own.  If I were Brandon and Theresa, I would be furious that my child was being discussed on TV for public and media consumption.  They couldn’t have known that this show would turn into the juggernaut that it has.  I think that if they had, they may have reconsidered adopting Carly.  I know that sounds terrible and I’m sure they don’t regret adopting her, but still.  Catelynn and Tyler claim to be so dedicated to seeing Carly, but then dare to even consider going on their vacation that just happens to fall on the visit date they were offered?  It’s way past time for the adoption counselor to drop the gentle, psychoanalyst bullshit and get real with Catelynn and Tyler.  I’m talking really real, as in advising them that they’re lucky that Theresa answered Catelynn’s message at all, much less a few months later, especially given the fact that they’re still discussing Carly on TV as they’ve specifically been told not to.  Sometimes you just can’t fix stupid and these two have a terminal case of it.

Oh, and Catelynn and Tyler (especially Tyler)?  CARLY IS NOT “YOUR KID.”  You are NOT her parents and you never have been.  You don’t care about maintaining a functional relationship with the people who are raising the child you created and knowingly placed for adoption?  This is why you haven’t seen her in over two years, dumbass.  The raging entitlement of these two is just staggering to me.  I have nothing to do with it and I’m furious.  Imagine how Brandon and Theresa feel, watching Tyler expound about how he gave them the right to be Carly’s parents.  And Catelynn’s oh-so-classy (televised!) response to their very generous offer of additional dates: “That’s fucking cool.”  Never change, Catelynn, you shit-kicking hillbilly.

Edited December 19, 2017 by SuzyLee
I added more complaints because I’m still mad!

[Marley]

Tyler is such a douche it’s hard to watch him. Catelynn too. Carly is not yours. Stop acting like just cause you banged and got knocked up like idiots you have some rights over her. 

Ryan is so sketchy and def still using something. I am a bit jealous of his place on the water tho:

Mackenzie's dress is tacky as hell.

Amber is a total loser. Who is her new crack head looking friend?

[toodywoody]

Called it that Amber would be too depressed about Matt to see her own daughter.  She is really gonna shit with the new kid because she isn't going to have a Gary to step up to take care of the baby while she drowns her misery on the couch. Whatever happened to her clothing shit?

[Emkat]

I'm really worried about Amber's baby. She is literally not capable of taking care of it. She can't even visit with the child she has now let alone look after a baby.

[Blissfool]

"It'll be the first engagement I plan, since mom didn't ask me to help with hers."

Didn't David propose to Debra? Why would Debra have Farrah plan it?

[chuckity]

A quick google search tells me that heroin is no longer detectable in urine after two days ... and Ryan says he won't take the test because it's not entirely out of his system.

 

I'll let you guys do the math.

[guilfoyleatpp]

If Jen and Larry miss their grandkid so much they could possibly reach out to Maci and reassure her. I mean, call me crazy, but wouldn't it be better to talk to the child's mother instead of bitching to the camera about what they are and aren't doing?

[ilovetrashtv]

Oh man. Sometimes the editing on this show really cracks me up. Amber to Gary: "Yeah, I'm able to get up and do things when I'm supposed to" *Only Amber laughs* *Camera pans to Leah's face being like ummm what* 

[Emkat]

2 hours ago, Chris Knight said:

Sophia looked positively deranged in the preview for next week.

My DVR cut off! What is she doing?

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

"Amber said she's getting blinded by the sun."..."she's used to the moon." Lol, go Kristina! Agreed with everything Gary said about Ambular stepping it the fuck up.

Kristina’s “she’s used to the moon” was my favorite line of the season!  As someone else said, Amber is probably less interested in being a mother than even Janelle.

Speaking of non-parenting, I loved Ryan’s “no, I haven’t seen Bentley b/c Maci insists I take a drug test and I’m going to have drugs in my system for weeks, months, years....”  Ok, Ryan.  Staying clean?  And his ever-in-denial parents, saying “He did rehab!  So what’s the problem?” (Larry) or “I would NEVER leave Bentley alone with Ryan...not on my watch!” (Jen).  Sure, Jan.  I mean Jen.

Anyone know how long heroin stays in your system?  Urine?  Hair?  I’m guessing days, or a week at most, but I really don’t know.

[AirQuotes]

@Linny. Sophia was making slime.  The glue mixes with borax to make a chemical reaction to create slime.  There are various recipes that have different bulking agents like shave cream and hand lotion.  My kids make the stuff like crazy. 

[Calm81]

I haven’t watched yet but my comments are based on what I read here. 

You know, I was really thinking that MTV was close to pulling the plug on the OG cast (I think TM2 is still pulling decent ratings for another season or two) and with Farrah (the most interesting to watch) being not fired. But something tells me it will renew for a few extra seasons as a way to do welfare checks on Ambers couch baby.

I’m being dead serious. I was going to throw in the towel on this cast because I can’t stand ANY of them, at least with TM2 I like to watch Chelsea and Leah’s daughters grow up, but these girls have always been so annoying, lazy and ungrateful. But now I feel like I need to keep an eye on couch baby because if Ambers too depressed to visit Leah a few miles away how is she going to get up every two hours for feedings and diaper changes? We SAW what she did with leah when she was born and that was WITH Gary’s HELP! I don’t foresee Glennon being that nurturing. 

Normally I would give the mom a break and think “she was only 16/17 when she had Leah maybe she will do better this time” but that’s only if I’d seen some type of growth out of Amber. She still acts like the Amber that NEEDED her sleep while her “lazy” only person working 50 hr per week boyfriend, Gary, did all the work.

I truly feel sad and scared for this baby. We know once he’s born she’s not going to be on a medication plan and she’s more bitchy and self entitled these days so I fear for Glennon and the baby. Glennon is going to LEAVE HER when he realizes how she is when there’s actual responsibilities thrown into their “forever love”. 

I always remember adults telling me “you’re in love with your 20 year old boyfriend now but wait until life hits you and you have bills to pay and jobs to do - love acts differently when your head is out of the clouds” and he’ll split with Ambers money and child support.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Calm81

[Calm81]

Farrah - I think Farrah is doing image control or desperately trying to push the narrative that she was only bitchy and mean when’s debra was around. I expect Farrah to resume her bitchyiness during the Italy trip to prove to viewers it’s her mom that makes her act that way.

Meh, either way, please, Farrah, keep giving us this side of you, it’s tolerable.

I bet the girls are jealous that Farrah does all of this overseas travel. Hardly any of the moms can get valid passports or are too busy with a shoe full of babies.

[leighroda]

I haven’t seen the episode, but I came across a people article about Cate and Tyler talking about Brandon and Teresa (http://people.com/tv/teen-mom-og-catelynn-baltierra-breaks-down-frustrations-carly-adoptive-parents/)  I’m not sure I want to see them talk this episode based on what I read it makes me absolutely furious how they treat the whole matter. 

Putting a child up for adoption is an absolutely heroic decision, putting the child’s ultimate well being above your own and being able to admit that maybe you aren’t in the best place to care for a child is an incredibly admirable act in my book, some would say selfless. One of my friends adopted twins, and has an open adoption, where she and her girls see their birth mother (I think once maybe twice a year I’m not sure) and my friend goes out of her way to show her gratitude to the birth mother because she gave her (my friend) the chance to be a mom and she has said she owes her (the birth mother) for the rest of her life. You know what that birth mother doesnt do? Treat my friend like she is just babysitting until the girls go back to her (birth mother).  I actually talked to my friend about this, she doesn’t watch teen mom but I showed her the article and filled her in on their story, she was mortified, not only about how Cate and Tyler talk but how Dawn seems to let it happen. LK (how I’m going to refer to my friend from here out so I don’t have to keep writing my friend) said if she had seen this before it absolutely would have made her question an open adoption. I personally don’t think open adoption is always a good option, I think LK is incredibly lucky it works in her situation, but I’m not sure that it’s the norm. 

Tyler is such an ass with his entitled attitude and I normally feel sorry for Cate, but she’s just as bad in this episode. NOVA AND CARLY ARE NOT SISTERS, and referring to them as such can’t be good for Nova (I say her because something tells me Carly’s parents don’t refer to Nova as Carly’s Sister). I really hope B&T are putting a phone call in first thing this morning to address this, they have given C&T chance after chance after chance. C&T did give them something they couldn’t have on their own, but B&T do not deserve having that constantly thrown in their face on national television.  I think Dawn is absolutely responsible for this too, she painted an unrealistic picture of adoption from the get go, and essentially created these monsters. 

I know a lot of people say that C&T were young when they made the decision to put Carly up for adoption, and I agreed, I felt some of these little outbursts were just the immaturity of how they handled the situation from the start (rightfully so, they were young and immature) but at this point they need to grow the fuck up, I don’t buy the immaturity excuse anymore. I didn’t always blame them because like I said I don’t think they were given an accurate picture of what the adoption should look like, but that is running thin, even if they didn’t realize it then, they are adults now and have had plenty of opportunity to  grow up and do right by Carly.

I probably shouldn’t say this because it’s a thought that popped in my head as I wrote this, I haven’t really thought it out so I don’t know how I feel, it’s just a theory, and I don’t know that I even believe it, but I wanted to throw it out there. Cate’s going to treatment... could that have anything to do with this episode? Think about it, lots of people questioned her motives and with the timing of it being right as this season aired... she knew what they filmed, she has to know they are running out of chances with B&T and that they are burning that bridge... what if she realized she messed up, it’s not like she can just ask mtv not to air it, BUT now if B&T cut ties after she just got out of treatment it makes them look kinda jerky. I don’t agree, I think they have every reason in the world to cut ties and I actually kinda judge them that they haven’t. But playing devils advocate, I could kinda see it. I have felt Cate going into treatment was a calculated move the whole time, I just didn’t know what their angle was, but it does seem somewhat plausible that it could be that Cate knew this was going to look bad, but now if B&T cut ties right after she got out of treatment it’s could look like they are being insensitive. Like I said I don’t necessarily believe that, it’s definitly a reach, but I wouldn’t be shocked either. 

[druzy]

1 hour ago, Calm81 said:

I haven’t watched yet but my comments are based on what I read here. 

You know, I was really thinking that MTV was close to pulling the plug on the OG cast (I think TM2 is still pulling decent ratings for another season or two) and with Farrah (the most interesting to watch) being not fired. But something tells me it will renew for a few extra seasons as a way to do welfare checks on Ambers couch baby.

MTV does not care about the welfare of anyone.

[Booger666]

8 hours ago, Blissfool said:

Didn't David propose to Debra? Why would Debra have Farrah plan it?

I’m not sure which of them proposed.  In an earlier ep David said to Debra that he wasn’t into getting married again and didn’t really see the point but was willing to do it bc it was so important to her.  Then Debra spouted some religious BS being the reason why they should get married.  Later David gave her a ring.  Maybe there wasn’t a proposal so much as a negotiated living arrangement. Soooooo romantic those two.

[imjagain]

Amber only saw her daughter 2x during the summer break!!?? Amber  can STFU forever when it comes to that girl. I knew Amber was a pos mom but damn that's messed up.

Edited December 19, 2017 by imjagain

[Tatum]

10 hours ago, Isthisok said:

Did Ryan say it would take up to a year for him to pass a hair follicle test??? THE FUCK KIND OF SMACK WERE YOU DOING???

From americanaddictioncenter.org:

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The only test that works for longer than a week is the hair follicle test, which can detect heroin for up to 3 months or more. However, there are many possible factors that can interfere with hair tests.

I guess technically a year falls under "3 months or more"...but I think that a year is a pretty extreme outlier. If Ryan has been clean since his rehab stay, he really should have no trouble passing a hair follicle test.

 

The thing with Ryan though, is I can't necessarily say that his reluctance to take a test is indicative he's still using. (I mean, I do think he is, but not necessarily because of the reluctance to take a test). Ryan is lazy and doesn't give a shit about seeing Bentley. Even if he knew he could pass a drug test, but had a 12 month reprieve from trying to pretend to be an interested dad, I can see him choosing not to take the test.

[ghoulina]

I think Deb is crazy and David is an asshole, so I don't blame Farrah for keeping her distance. But there's always something inauthentic about how Farrah deals with it. I think she does this back and forth, because she knows Deb makes for "good tv". I also think Sophia's opinion of Deb is LARGELY shaped by Farrah, and not some conclusion she came to on her own. But whatever. Also, it was kind of shady of Farrah to piggy-back Michael's proposal on their girl's trip to Italy. 

I now see how Michael's gf gets along with Farrah so easily. She's constantly plying her with alcohol! 

 

I feel badly for Jen. I think she and Bentley really do miss each other. I wish something could be worked out, maybe meeting up at Maci's house? 

I'm not sure if I'm buying that Ryan really went and got himself a hair follicle test. Also, I don't know the truth about how long it can take to leave your body. But, if what he's saying is true, why wouldn't they just opt for a urine test? That seems more relevant to the situation at hand. No one is trying to determine how long ago he was using. We KNOW that. What needs to be determined is that he's clean now. Since heroin exits the urine quicker, I think a urine test would be what they'd want. So him opting for the hair follicle one seems shady as hell, to me. 

And I see Mack got just what she wanted - more wedding segments. The thirst is real with that one. 

 

So Amber's got another cousin, one we've never met before. Did Krystal get sick of her shit? And she can't even get out of bed when her cousin comes over. Yes, let's receive guests in the boudoir this morning. 

I don't know she's putting on this pretense about getting back together with Matt, when we all know she was already cozying up to NewMatt. Does OldMatt have something on her? 

Either way, it's despicable that she only saw Leah TWO times over summer break. "I have to be in a good head space to see her". Guess what, bitch? I'm a SAHM/Homeschooling mom of three who is prone to anxiety and also dealing with chronic pain every day. And some days I'm NOT in a good head space!!!! But I have no choice. I have no other options. I take care of my kids every day and do the best I can. And sometimes I yell too much and don't like who I am. And some days things go swimmingly. That's parenthood! Something you'd know nothing about. 

I say it every week - thank God for Kristina. I just adore their little family. I love their farmhouse. And I laughed so hard at Gary's advice about punching the biggest kid in the school.....and then Kristina's, "Gary Shirley". Thats a family to me. 

 

I can't even with Cate and Tyler. I CAAAAAN'T. Their entire attitude about adoption is the WORST. I hope they're no longer lecturing about it. Cate USED to be the level headed one vs. Tyler's bitter assholery. But now she's joined him. "I feel like I'm being punished because my kid asks questions about me" - "That's adoption, pull up your bootstraps and deal with it." WOW. Insensitive as hell. First of all, she's NOT your kid. Second, you are NOT dealing with adoption in the same manner that B&T are, so shut the hell up. They have the child who was given up. They have to deal with that. Have a little understanding and empathy. In fact, you guys have never really DEALT with adoption at all. Cate clearly still has a lot of unresolved feelings about it, but it always gets brushed under the rug. They'd rather act like victims, than face harsh realities. 

And Tyler was shitty has hell, saying he doesn't care about a relationship with B&T. He continues to act like he's this giant martyr, who was so gracious to bestow this child on him, and how they just take advantage of him. And I'm sure they ARE grateful. But he never once thinks about how much they did for HIM, and for Carly. It's just so wrong of them to continue to talk about all this on TV and paint Carly's parents in a bad light. My heart really breaks for B&T.

[imjagain]

Yes, Kristina 's "Gary Shirley!" Cracked me up. 

Cate and Tyler are complete assholes. I forgot about Cate, saying  "I feel like I'm being punished because my kid asks questions about me"

The "my kid" bugged the hell out out of me .

I wish Teresa & Brandon (?) Would just say, look this not working . When she turns 18  it will be upto her.  I'd hate to have these two  anyway near my child and she is their child.

Edited December 19, 2017 by imjagain

[ghoulina]

10 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

So little Hudson makes his Teen Mom debut. How much is MTV paying for his father to allow him to appear on the show.

Yea, I was a bit surprised by that. Kristina's other kid still hasn't been seen on air, and I respect that. Little Hudson was adorable with that accent, though. I was nervous about who was going to be driving the boat, however. 

 

10 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

"Amber said she's getting blinded by the sun."..."she's used to the moon." Lol, go Kristina

Kristina's shade was epic! But she says it in such a nice, innocuous way, you can't really get mad at her. 

 

9 hours ago, Linny said:

What the fuck kind of concoction was Sophia brewing up? Was that shaving cream mixed with glue?? What a weird kid.

There's a fluffy slime you can make with those ingredients. I've made slime at home with my kids, using glue, but not shaving cream. It's probably something she learned at school. 

 

8 hours ago, Emkat said:

I'm really worried about Amber's baby. She is literally not capable of taking care of it. She can't even visit with the child she has now let alone look after a baby.

I'm also very concerned that she went off her "head meds" to get pregnant. Notice how everyone could tell the difference when she started taking them again? And now she's quit. Sigh.....

 

8 hours ago, Blissfool said:

"It'll be the first engagement I plan, since mom didn't ask me to help with hers."

Didn't David propose to Debra? Why would Debra have Farrah plan it?

What KIDS help plan their parent's proposals anyhow? Just weird. 

6 minutes ago, imjagain said:

I wish Tina & Brandon (?) Would just say, look this not working . When she turns 18  it will be upto her.  I'd hate to have these two  anyway near my child and she is their child.

I know. I wish they would do that too! I think they're probably just really super nice people, and Cate/Ty probably take advantage of that. I can only imagine the shitty, manipulative texts Catelynn sends Teresa, trying to guilt her. 

[Tatum]

29 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I'm not sure if I'm buying that Ryan really went and got himself a hair follicle test. Also, I don't know the truth about how long it can take to leave your body. But, if what he's saying is true, why wouldn't they just opt for a urine test? That seems more relevant to the situation at hand. No one is trying to determine how long ago he was using. We KNOW that. What needs to be determined is that he's clean now. Since heroin exits the urine quicker, I think a urine test would be what they'd want. So him opting for the hair follicle one seems shady as hell, to me. 

 

The problem with a urine test is that it's too quick- if Ryan knew he had a drug test on Friday, he could be using as recently as Wednesday and still pass. I suppose random tests on a somewhat regular basis might help with that, but if he signs up for a urine test at a center, he'll have an appt and plenty of notice on when to stop in order to pee clean.

 

Which is moot, because I don't think he cares enough to take any kind of test. Seeing Bentley is just not an incentive, and now if his parents put any pressure on him, he can whine that they are "triggering" him.

[Uncle JUICE]

1 minute ago, Tatum said:

The problem with a urine test is that it's too quick- if Ryan knew he had a drug test on Friday, he could be using as recently as Wednesday and still pass. I suppose random tests on a somewhat regular basis might help with that, but if he signs up for a urine test at a center, he'll have an appt and plenty of notice on when to stop in order to pee clean.

 

How the fuck is it fair that with heroin you can pass a piss test in three days, but if you want to smoke a joint and enjoy a Netflix show more than it deserves (I'm looking at you, The OA and Godless), you can't have a job interview for a month?? Up yours, nature. 

[Tatum]

9 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

How the fuck is it fair that with heroin you can pass a piss test in three days, but if you want to smoke a joint and enjoy a Netflix show more than it deserves (I'm looking at you, The OA and Godless), you can't have a job interview for a month?? Up yours, nature. 

I KNOW! I know nothing about heroin use, but in my early 20s I had a job that required semi random drug testing which I wasn't always sure I would pass. So, I spent a lot of time googling various options, and it was frequently noted by the various websites that pot, the least harmful drug known to man, that was, at the time, just a few years away from being legal for medicinal reasons (this was in the early 2000s) had the longest duration in the system. Heroin, crack, meth- it some cases if you're not a regular user and you have a decent metabolism, it can be out of your system in a matter of hours.

 

Eta: side story, when I was 21, I had my first post college job which required a drug test, and I had to schedule it within 24 hours of accepting the job offer. Given my smaller size and my only semi regular use of it, I figured I had about 3-5 days of trouble. I drank a ton of water in the hours leading up to the test. I got the call a few days later that my test had been too diluted for a conclusive test, and I would have to re-test. I only had one more shot and then the job offer was rescinded. But the re-test bought me a few days and that was all I needed!

Edited December 19, 2017 by Tatum

[Mr. Miner]

10 hours ago, Chris Knight said:

And she's only seen Leah 2x all summer?! That's really sad

I was wondering with Matt gone, who turns Amber over occasionally to check for bedsores?

I say that's a great thing for the Shirley's, you've only had to see the disgusting POS twice so you probably had a pretty good Summer.

[AirQuotes]

This episode has stirred up some heavy emotions in me.  I've mentioned before I was adopted at birth, and the way C&T talk about Carly and her parents makes me so thankful my adoption was closed.  If dirty, trashy people like the Baltierras had ever come around talking about my real family wasn't my family and that they were, it would have scared the shit out of me.  I would have been terrified of people like them (especially Butch).  Much like Carly lives in a totally different world with her parents and family.  I don't even know if my family could be considered middle class lol (I grew up in rural central Louisiana), but all the adults in my life were clean, stable, productive people.  When I was a small child I didn't even know what adoption meant.  My family is my family!

The way C&T discuss Carly and her parents just rankles!  It is inappropriate, out of line, and horrible!  They have no claims on her and they are inappropriate to put these expectations on her.  B&T need to shut this shit down today!  TODAY!  If I ever heard *anyone* talking about my parents that way, they better stay the F away from me!  C&T act like B&T owe them something and they absolutely do not!  They put Carly up for adoption because they knew they couldn't care for her properly.  That hasn't changed.  It is easy to go back and re-write history because time tends to dull pain.   

C&T were teens living in abusive homes with crack head parents.  THEY are the ones who need to be thanking B&T!  It isn't about C&T giving B&T the gift of parenthood.  IT IS ABOUT B&T GIVING CARLY THE GIFT OF A HAPPY, STABLE CHILDHOOD!

[FlowerofCarnage]

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that Tyler and Catelynn tried to gift Carly with some of their Tierra Reign monstrosities? I can see Teresa taking one look at those fringe shorts, recoiling in horror; deciding they're not even fit to donate to a thrift shop and straight into the trash they went. 

Edited December 19, 2017 by FlowerofCarnage

[Uncle JUICE]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

I was wondering with Matt gone, who turns Amber over occasionally to check for bedsores?

She reminds me of an observation Selma Hayek makes in 30 Rock, about how she knows Liemon's holidays are basically her on the couch watching some show and "filling her slanket with farts." 

[luvbadtv]

Tyler & Catelynn are so ignorant and entitled it's mind boggling.  I love how they were all irate and bitching about the date that B&T gave them for the visit.  Then, they text Teresa and she gives them other options, no big deal.

[TeenMomAngerMgmt]

I think Catelynn and Tyler manipulate Brandon and Teresa, especially Cate. Earlier on Teresa took on kind of a mentoring or mothering role with Cate. She encouraged her and was always trying to be supportive. I think C&T took advantage of that and now B&T don’t know how to stop it. 

[AirQuotes]

Mack is the unofficial 5th teen mom of the OG crew; on par with Brianna on TM2 but at least she is official.  Ryan is no prize, but I do feel some sympathy for him.  I can only imagine the confusion he felt when he detoxed and sobriety set in to realize he married Mack.  I think Maci was totally accurate when she called Mack Ryan's "snake of a wife."  I haven't checked but have they had the wedding re-do?

I don't have anything for Larry (my opinion is he is an ass), but I do feel for Mimi Jen.  I believe she has probably tried to connect with Maci to see Bentley but it just isn't being shown.  Editing and all that.

Amber ~ Yuck.  Just yuck.  Idk where MTV hires these "friends" from but good grief.  That "friend" looked like a druggie.   The "friend" wearing a head wrap to match Amber was a nice touch though; it almost made it convincing.   Who lounges in bed *under the covers* during the day and has guests visit them in the bedroom?? WTF!  The last time someone visited me in my bedroom was after I had surgery and it was my daughter and grandchildren.  It takes extreme circumstances for me (a normal person) to allow such.

Farrah ~ She did that thing again with Sophia where she asks her a question then invalidates her response.  Farrah asked her if she wanted Grandma to go on the trip to Italy and Sophia said no.  Then Farrah told her how she was wrong and Grandma will be going with them.  *sigh*  Just stop asking her questions and tell her what will be happening.

[MissMel]

25 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

The way C&T discuss Carly and her parents just rankles!  It is inappropriate, out of line, and horrible!  They have no claims on her and they are inappropriate to put these expectations on her.  B&T need to shut this shit down today!  TODAY!  If I ever heard *anyone* talking about my parents that way, they better stay the F away from me!  C&T act like B&T owe them something and they absolutely do not!  They put Carly up for adoption because they knew they couldn't care for her properly.  That hasn't changed.  It is easy to go back and re-write history because time tends to dull pain. 

I think this exactly how Carly will feel and when she lets her parents know, they will put an end to the visits/communication/everything.  All it will take is one sleepover at a friend's house and few Mtv clips and Carly will shut it down.  Cate and Tyler have nobody to blame but themselves.  Carly will protect her parents and her parents will protect her.  C&T can kiss their dream of reuniting goodbye because of their own actions.