S12.E15: Mystic Mistake

[NeverLate]

I couldn't even finish it tonight

Peggy, I just want to slap her! You don't know what I've been through!. Oh fer gods sake you've been on about it for weeks already! Her scrunched up pouty face, and does she own a bloody brush? And that bright pink lipstick, and was she wearing a coat all through dinner?

Miss let's all go to Iceland is a Pita, Tamra on all sides enjoying the pot being stirred. Oh and Vicki getting drunk and YELLING, is not stress..

Ugh!

[mbaywife123]

I HOPE Tamra will go behind the scenes to defend Shannon and not drop her like a hot potato (see what I did there?)

Shannon is really emotionally messed up because of her marriage problems( how many of us have been there done that and weren't on camera to be recorded for infinity) I think Shannon thought she could contain this and make a great redemption arch but it's not happening.

Tamra could really redeem herself if she told Peggy & Lydia ( sister Christian) to back the fuck off and give Shannon some peace and space.

[The Solution]

With her hair pulled back, Lydia looks like an extra from Freaks.

 

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Google goggle, google goggle. We accept her, we accept her. One of us, one of us. Google goggle, google goggle.

[MVFrostsMyPie]

Peggy's diploma from UCLA must be as fake as Brooks' medical records.

34 minutes ago, NeverLate said:

Peggy, I just want to slap her! You don't know what I've been through!. Oh fer gods sake you've been on about it for weeks already! Her scrunched up pouty face, and does she own a bloody brush? And that bright pink lipstick, and was she wearing a coat all through dinner?

Well of course she was, that's what Armenians do.

[MsDiva2007]

The problem with Peggy is she talks bassackwards like Yoda. I need her to under stand Luggage is plural already and doesn't require a S on the end. I am calling her a liar for her lack of understanding of common idioms as well. 

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Why could Meghan not have had the psychic that said that Brooks did not have cancer?

Maybe he can only be on once per season and he was already on as Tamra's guest at drag trivia suggesting that Vicki would turn on Kelly.

[SoCal4Us]

BRAVO - If you're listening, I beg of you, bring back Fancy Pants and her mansion stat!  This is an emergency!

[NeverLate]

4 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Peggy: "Who's going to carry my luggages?"  Whether you have one piece of luggage or 20 pieces it's still luggage not luggages! 

She knows that, its her attempt at not knowing English, even if Dick says she was in America at the age of one. Pair of frauds.

[MVFrostsMyPie]

1 hour ago, WordsWordsWords said:

 Diko: You've been in the US since you were one year old.

Peggy: I"m not American. I'm Armenian.

Peggy saying that reminds me of when a racist lady told me I wasn't American because I was Middle Eastern (I have to admit I was impressed she at least guessed my ethnicity correctly even though she thinks it's a nationality). *facepalm* 

[Jextella]

Going against the grain, but this was the first episode I liked Lydia, Peggy, Mehgan, and Kelly.

Shannon is a hot mess.  I dislike Tamra most times but I appreciated how she talked to Shannon about how she is handling her emotions regarding David.

[wheresmypizza]

Peggy has Sophia Vergara syndrome at this point. Pure Shtick. Sophia. I'm preeety AND funny!!!! HAAAAAA! Peggy. You dropped the shit and knew what 'throw in the towel' meant tonight. I see you.

[TimeToCancelTM]

5 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

What is with Peggy's pursed hot pink lips? I need sunglasses. They're a bit too bright for my taste (don't think that it matches well with her skin and hair coloring). 

Megans too... who tf did their makeup?? All of them look like clowns...megan's looked like she tried to outline them to make them fuller and turned out looking disgusting....peggy looked old and haggered, and shannon was a disaster!!! She looked like a sweaty, smeary, dirty mess at that dinner!! 

[HunterHunted]

Vulture recap. Not Dame Moylan, but still better than the show.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/rhoc-recap-season-12-episode-15-mystic-mistake.html

[TimeToCancelTM]

4 hours ago, Cranky One said:

The best part of this episode was the old Family Vaaaaan clip!

OMG!! I wish i could like this a million times!!! Hahahahha

[Duke2801]

5 hours ago, Cranky One said:

The best part of this episode was the old Family Vaaaaan clip!

Yes! Not to mention the look back at her evolving faces and various fright wigs over the past decade. 

 

I'm looking forward to Iceland. Both for the scenery, and the small glimmer of hope that  somebody will push Lydia off a glacier. 

[diadochokinesis]

Geez Louise.  Peggy is just awful. It was precancerous, from my understanding.  My mom has had precancerous spots removed and we would never dream of saying that she had cancer or "lucky to not be going through chemo."  Her argument with Shannon is completely illogical and over the top. Her husband was just asking some questions.  How weird.  Someone showing concern for another person.  Let's go off on them!

I need Lydia to go away.  I get that she was brought back to defend Vicki which she takes as going after Shannon for absolutely no reason but come on, try to at least be not so obvious at it.  Try to wait for an opportunity where it isn't obvious that you are there just to start crap. And stop playing the Christian card while instigating shit. 

[biakbiak]

Vicki totally wanted the doctor to tell her she was close to death and Tamra and Shannon were to blame. Also, Vicki your mom lived like 28 plus years after she was diagnosed with the same thing and you have no idea what she died of so seriously make your own casseroles. 

[walnutqueen]

Shannon needs to calm down and take a Xanax.

[tinaw]

7 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

It's as if he is taunting Shannon with the crunch crunch crunch. I'd snatch that f-ing bag right out of his paws. 

Martinigirl I was expecting Shannon to grab that bag of chips too

[Ubiquitous]

6 hours ago, WordsWordsWords said:

 Vickie: I called my pastor and he said stay away from that psychic!

Me: Hahahahhahahaha

Good grief! Is Vicki pretending to be a good Xian now? I still remember her inviting someone over to do horoscopes and how super excited Vicki was when he told her she was a "triple fire sign" or something like that, which explained her acting like a maniac.

[bichonblitz]

Ahhhhh, Shannon never disappoints. She falls for the bait every. single. time. And....she was totally irrational with Tamra on the phone. And....did she really think David was offering Diko some names of cancer specialists? Tamra was 100% correct, Shannon is lashing out and not in control of herself because of the downfall of her marriage, same as Tamra was when she was going through the break up of her marriage. Nothing could be more clear. 

[lunastartron]

If nothing else, I thought Shannon's reaction to the very clear-eyed counsel of Meghan and Tamra illustrates how deeply unwell she has become emotionally and psychologically. As huge fan of the way in which she dismantled Tamra and Heather's sadism during season nine, her consistent nuttiness this year has actually made me second-guess my perception of that whole imbroglio. 

Whether it's her husband, coworker, and/or friend, she is abjectly incapable of handling even the most constructive and helpful criticism ... or, really, anything less than adulation of the vow-renewal variety. Her default seems to be "oh, so you're saying it's all my fault, huh?" outrage and indignation no matter if it's David clarifying his behavior at her request or Tamra giving pointers on how to more successfully navigate the provocations of their cast mates. 

From my perspective, she relishes the role of martyr in her own way as much as Vicki retcons herself into an aggrieved victim. And as far as her sudden epiphany about the fact that she can't let her relationship define her self-worth, I'm all for growth and edification but, seriously, she's just now waking up to this revelation in her mid-fifties (and it remains to be seen if she'll actually do anything substantive about it or just fall back into her drinking and sobbing)?

Even when I initially grew tired of her constant crying over David stepping out on her, I always thought that she had a rational take on matters like CancerGate. 

But she's been full of shit since the bus ride from hell: David never admitted to touching her (even though he plead guilty to battery of a cohabitant); she never blamed Vicki for her weight gain (even though she's done so multiple times); and, now, the myth that David was just suggesting specialists to Diko. 

 

2 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Geez Louise.  Peggy is just awful. It was precancerous, from my understanding.  My mom has had precancerous spots removed and we would never dream of saying that she had cancer or "lucky to not be going through chemo."  Her argument with Shannon is completely illogical and over the top. Her husband was just asking some questions.  How weird.  Someone showing concern for another person.  Let's go off on them!

I need Lydia to go away.  I get that she was brought back to defend Vicki which she takes as going after Shannon for absolutely no reason but come on, try to at least be not so obvious at it.  Try to wait for an opportunity where it isn't obvious that you are there just to start crap. And stop playing the Christian card while instigating shit. 

3mm of a 25mm of a largely precancerous had turned into actual cancer. Which (to me, in my layman's understanding; correct me if I'm wrong) suggests the remaining 22mm was in the process of turning as well. In the context of her mother's early death and her preventative mastectomy, I don't think her fears are unreasonable. 

"Over a span of ten years, I scheduled mammograms and MRI’s every six months, my doctor found a mass in my right breast in the MRI. The immediate response to this news, was to schedule a biopsy. Despite being negative on the BRCA gene testing, the biopsy revealed pre cancerous cells [DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma in situ)] within my right breast. Few weeks later, we scheduled a surgery to remove the 25 mm of mass, and sent the mass to the pathologist. In a matter of weeks, I was told that of the 25 mm removed, 3mm of it was already cancer.”

Edited October 17, 2017 by lunastartron

[diadochokinesis]

1 minute ago, lunastartron said:

3mm of a 25mm of a largely precancerous had turned into actual cancer. Which (to me, in my layman's understanding; correct me if I'm wrong) suggests the remaining 22mm was in the process of turning as well. In the context of her mother's early death and her preventative mastectomy, I don't think her fears are unreasonable. 

"Over a span of ten years, I scheduled mammograms and MRI’s every six months, my doctor found a mass in my right breast in the MRI. The immediate response to this news, was to schedule a biopsy. Despite being negative on the BRCA gene testing, the biopsy revealed pre cancerous cells [DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma in situ)] within my right breast. Few weeks later, we scheduled a surgery to remove the 25 mm of mass, and sent the mass to the pathologist. In a matter of weeks, I was told that of the 25 mm removed, 3mm of it was already cancer.”

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Ok, so DCIS is still considered precancerous. It could later develop into cancer but it is so slow growing that you have time to discuss it with your surgeon. She could have just had the lumpectomy and that probably would have been the end of that. I have problems thinking that her surgeon was recommending a bilateral mastectomy for any reason other than she was demanding it. I get it. Seeing your mom go through breast cancer is horrible (my grandmother had it and she had a bilateral mastectomy) but that is why you have a physician that you trust. They keep you rational in a time that the patient isn't honestly capable of it. 

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

If nothing else, I thought Shannon's reaction to the very clear-eyed counsel of Meghan and Tamra illustrates how deeply unwell she has become emotionally and psychologically. As huge fan of the way in which she dismantled Tamra and Heather's sadism during season nine, her consistent nuttiness this year has actually made me second-guess my perception of that whole imbroglio. 

Whether it's her husband, coworker, and/or friend, she is abjectly incapable of handling even the most constructive and helpful criticism ... or, really, anything less than adulation of the vow-renewal variety. Her default seems to be "oh, so you're saying it's all my fault, huh?" outrage and indignation no matter if it's David clarifying his behavior at her request or Tamra giving pointers on how to more successfully navigate the provocations of their cast mates. 

From my perspective, she relishes the role of martyr in her own way as much as Vicki retcons herself into an aggrieved victim. And as far as her sudden epiphany about the fact that she can't let her relationship define her self-worth, I'm all for growth and edification but, seriously, she's just now waking up to this revelation in her mid-fifties (and it remains to be seen if she'll actually do anything substantive about it or just fall back into her drinking and sobbing)?

Even when I initially grew tired of her constant crying over David stepping out on her, I always thought that she had a rational take on matters like CancerGate. 

But she's been full of shit since the bus ride from hell: David never admitted to touching her (even though he plead guilty to battery of a cohabitant); she never blamed Vicki for her weight gain (even though she's done so multiple times); and, now, the myth that David was just suggesting specialists to Diko. 

 

3mm of a 25mm of a largely precancerous had turned into actual cancer. Which (to me, in my layman's understanding; correct me if I'm wrong) suggests the remaining 22mm was in the process of turning as well. In the context of her mother's early death and her preventative mastectomy, I don't think her fears are unreasonable. 

"Over a span of ten years, I scheduled mammograms and MRI’s every six months, my doctor found a mass in my right breast in the MRI. The immediate response to this news, was to schedule a biopsy. Despite being negative on the BRCA gene testing, the biopsy revealed pre cancerous cells [DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma in situ)] within my right breast. Few weeks later, we scheduled a surgery to remove the 25 mm of mass, and sent the mass to the pathologist. In a matter of weeks, I was told that of the 25 mm removed, 3mm of it was already cancer.”

The "David beating" that Vicki told Kelly about was not the one he pled guilty to over a decade ago, this supposedly happened between Shannon's first and second season shortly after she found out about the affair. And, according to a friend of Vicki's, that was at Vicki's home the night this phone call from Shannon occurred, Shannon's story hasn't changed (that there was no beating/hitting) but Vicki's has. 

As for the confusion around Peggy's cancer/not cancer, it is directly due to her telling differing stories, she changes it constantly. IMO, she is changing it on purpose, to give herself/Ditko a storyline.

[bichonblitz]

I don't particularly like Meghan but she had me LMAO when she was telling Shannon and Tamra they would have to suffer her wrath if they woke her baby up with their yelling! 

[diadochokinesis]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

The "David beating" that Vicki told Kelly about was not the one he pled guilty to over a decade ago, this supposedly happened between Shannon's first and second season shortly after she found out about the affair. And, according to a friend of Vicki's, that was at Vicki's home the night this phone call from Shannon occurred, Shannon's story hasn't changed (that there was no beating/hitting) but Vicki's has. 

As for the confusion around Peggy's cancer/not cancer, it is directly due to her telling differing stories, she changes it constantly. IMO, she is changing it on purpose, to give herself/Ditko a storyline.

I agree that Shannon is doing it for a storyline.  It wouldn't be that hard to just say, "Hey, they thought it was precancerous but the biopsy found cancerous cells.  With my family history, I just wanted to go straight to a bilateral mastectomy and pushed for it."

See, it is easy!

[lunastartron]

Just now, WireWrap said:

The "David beating" that Vicki told Kelly about was not the one he pled guilty to over a decade ago, this supposedly happened between Shannon's first and second season shortly after she found out about the affair. And, according to a friend of Vicki's, that was at Vicki's home the night this phone call from Shannon occurred, Shannon's story hasn't changed (that there was no beating/hitting) but Vicki's has. 

As for the confusion around Peggy's cancer/not cancer, it is directly due to her telling differing stories, she changes it constantly. IMO, she is changing it on purpose, to give herself/Ditko a storyline.

I'm aware that they are two different events. However, the 2003 incident cropped up online and social media after the bus ride from hell revelations about the second, more recent occurrence.

Shannon went off in the Facebook comments about how David had never admitted to anything and everyone should "read the police report" - to my knowledge, the police report was never made public, which is why that entire episode remains somewhat ambiguous. 

However, pleading guilty as part of a plea deal almost always constitutes an admission of guilt - and, iirc, the articles summarizing the 2003 arc noted that David's plea did indeed include admitting in open court to battery against a cohabitant. 

I have no idea if David DID batter Shannon in 2003 considering her account of the incident to which Kelly and Vick referred situated her, Shannon, as the perpetrator of abusive/aggressive behavior. 

But her presentation of "I just called the cops in 2003 because I wanted the verbal argument to stop" is bizarre and incomplete/inaccurate by omission from my perspective. 

[OFDgal]

10 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Lydiot needs to go back t Santa's workshop and get off my damn TV

Lydia did look just like an elf (and not a cute one) with her hair pulled back.  I couldn't even concentrate on what she was saying the first time I watched it because I was fascinated by how she looked.  Had to rewind to listen.  She is just a horrible person jumping into that conversation.  It had nothing to do with her.  She just wanted to get Shannon more upset.  Peggy is just rude and obnoxious.  Shannon had absolutely nothing to do with David's conversation with Dicko.  You could tell that David was confused by the conversation with him.  Seems like Coco is jumping on the "I don't understand bandwagon" with the beef comment.

[WireWrap]

46 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

I agree that Shannon Peggy is doing it for a storyline.  It wouldn't be that hard to just say, "Hey, they thought it was precancerous but the biopsy found cancerous cells.  With my family history, I just wanted to go straight to a bilateral mastectomy and pushed for it."

See, it is easy!

Fixed it for you! LOL I agree, she has been fuzzy about everything!

41 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

I'm aware that they are two different events. However, the 2003 incident cropped up online and social media after the bus ride from hell revelations about the second, more recent occurrence.

Shannon went off in the Facebook comments about how David had never admitted to anything and everyone should "read the police report" - to my knowledge, the police report was never made public, which is why that entire episode remains somewhat ambiguous. 

However, pleading guilty as part of a plea deal almost always constitutes an admission of guilt - and, iirc, the articles summarizing the 2003 arc noted that David's plea did indeed include admitting in open court to battery against a cohabitant. 

I have no idea if David DID batter Shannon in 2003 considering her account of the incident to which Kelly and Vick referred situated her, Shannon, as the perpetrator of abusive/aggressive behavior. 

But her presentation of "I just called the cops in 2003 because I wanted the verbal argument to stop" is bizarre and incomplete/inaccurate by omission from my perspective. 

I don't think the more recent event (from 2 years ago) was as widely known as the one that has the police report/DV plea, it was only reported in 1 blog, SH, which is now closed.

Watching how Shannon reacts/over reacts these last few years makes me suspect that her calling the police to stop a heated argument is something she would do. Shannon tends to panic quickly when things (arguments) don't go her way, so Yes, I can see her calling the police to stop David from arguing with her. I think she allows her imagination to take over and see things that aren't there, hence why David says he shuts down/withdraws from her when she gets like that. 

[diadochokinesis]

Just now, WireWrap said:

Fixed it for you! LOL I agree, she has been fuzzy about everything!

I don't think the more recent event (from 2 years ago) was as widely known as the one that has the police report/DV plea, it was only reported in 1 blog, SH, which is now closed.

Watching how Shannon reacts/over reacts these last few years makes me suspect that her calling the police to stop a heated argument is something she would do. Shannon tends to panic quickly when things (arguments) don't go her way, so Yes, I can see her calling the police to stop David from arguing with her. I think she allows her imagination to take over and see things that aren't there, hence why David says he shuts down/withdraws from her when she gets like that. 

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Thanks!  I'm going to blame it on a long day at work followed by two crazy kids when I got home.  LOL.  I am not going to blame it on Armenia though!

[NeverLate]

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

Ahhhhh, Shannon never disappoints. She falls for the bait every. single. time. And....she was totally irrational with Tamra on the phone. And....did she really think David was offering Diko some names of cancer specialists? Tamra was 100% correct, Shannon is lashing out and not in control of herself because of the downfall of her marriage, same as Tamra was when she was going through the break up of her marriage. Nothing could be more clear. 

Shannon was correct, she said herself she was lashing out. Watch Tamra be friends with heartbroken Vicki.. 

[RHOZOCNJBHSYDCHDAL]

9 hours ago, Jellybean13 said:

If Peggy was looking for sympathy and comisserating regarding her condition ( whatever it actually may be ) she would have done better joining a cancer recovery group.  Expecting total strangers to understand her vagueness about her mastectomy and not ask questions is totally unrealistic.  Diko and Peggy were out of line attacking Shannon for David's inquiries.

Shandon really needs to get a handle on her emotions though.  It is horrible to watch Lydiot's utter delight in spooling Shannon up.  She is one perverse skinny bitch.

I agree.  Lydiot knows she doesn't like Shannon, Shannon knows it as does everyone else so she needs to take a back seat sometimes and stop looking for reasons to have a dig at her

And I find peggy so manipulating.  Why arent they asking David the questions?

I'm feeling sorry for Shannon, think she is getting the raw deal here and she needs them to b kind.

[zoeysmom]

18 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

 

3mm of a 25mm of a largely precancerous had turned into actual cancer. Which (to me, in my layman's understanding; correct me if I'm wrong) suggests the remaining 22mm was in the process of turning as well. In the context of her mother's early death and her preventative mastectomy, I don't think her fears are unreasonable. 

"Over a span of ten years, I scheduled mammograms and MRI’s every six months, my doctor found a mass in my right breast in the MRI. The immediate response to this news, was to schedule a biopsy. Despite being negative on the BRCA gene testing, the biopsy revealed pre cancerous cells [DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma in situ)] within my right breast. Few weeks later, we scheduled a surgery to remove the 25 mm of mass, and sent the mass to the pathologist. In a matter of weeks, I was told that of the 25 mm removed, 3mm of it was already cancer.”

As to Peggy and her decision to have a mastectomy, I have a friend who many years ago after a situation similar to Peggy elected to have a bi-lateral mastectomy and reconstructive surgery at the same time.  She didn't tell anyone even though she took three weeks off work and as she states, returned to work with breasts a third of their previous size.  Her reasons were maybe similar to Peggy's -she didn't want to go through the constant screenings and be in limbo in between.  It took a long time for her to confide in people outside her immediate family of her decision.  As articulate as my friend can be it has taken a long time for her to reveal exactly what transpired and ironically, after five years of knowing she had the mastectomy due to breast cancer as she positioned it back then, she has just now revealed to our group of friends her situation was exactly like Peggy's.  When she first told us the normal questions were did you have chemo or radiation?  (The answer was no.)  

Peggy writes in her blog that she was not articulate because she is still recovering from surgery-at this point in the show it has been five months since the surgery.  To me it is Peggy's unwillingness to form coherent sentences and responses that have given this story life.

My other issue with Peggy and Diko they are in fact Lebanese born and have Armenian ancestry.  I am curious if she and DIko have even visited Armenian.  Although charming that she and Diko have elected to put their Armenian roots front and center she needs to get real about being an American.  Are they American citizens?  Peggy always has an excuse for her poor communication skills-it is the aftermath of her surgery or her not being an American.  Even her husband questions her claims.    

[ghoulina]

So now Vicki is having heart problems because of all the stress from the girls? Wow, she and Shannon are more alike than either of them care to admit. Over-dramatic. 

Megan's psychic party was interesting. Everyone was all pearl clutching over the idea, but it didn't seem like a set-up to do actual readings or anything. She was just another guest at dinner, who would sometimes throw something out there. Peggy was super rude about it. And Vicki wouldn't even go because her pastor said not to. I'm sorry, my memory is the worst, but didn't Vicki HOST a psychic gathering back in the early years of this show??? 

Either way, I'm over Peggy. Shannon's reactions are super fucking OTT, but Peggy and Niko are trying SO hard to make drama where there is none. Peggy brings UP the topic, and when she and Shannon finally get some alone time to hash it out, Peggy bails. She wants to make the scene. But when she's faced with a human being genuinely asking how she is, she can't handle it. This entire cancer thing has been a whole lot of bait n switch. THEY are the ones who keep bringing it up (and badly), but then get all offended when anyone asks follow up questions. Ugh, it's doing my head in. 

So, the premise of this Iceland trip is that this douchey, rich, So Cal magazine for men is writing an article on the country? Bahahaha, okay then. Again, super jealous of OC right now. I was literally gasping during the previews and I know these bitches will ruin another amazing travel opportunity. 

I won't be surprised when Tamra finally tires of Shannon. They bonded over hating Vicki, but the bloom is off the rose. Shannon is just too needy. She needs to find happiness within herself. Hell, she even SAID that tonight. But then the next words out of her mouth were about DAVID appreciating her while she was gone. I know he had the affair, but does she ever stop to think about how SHE contributed to the problems in their marriage? 

I am such an evil person, but I laughed super hard at David chomping on chips while Shannon tried to pack and fish for compliments. 

Diko really wants to go to Iceland. I'm more convinced with every passing week that this show was HIS idea.

[diadochokinesis]

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

As to Peggy and her decision to have a mastectomy, I have a friend who many years ago after a situation similar to Peggy elected to have a bi-lateral mastectomy and reconstructive surgery at the same time.  She didn't tell anyone even though she took three weeks off work and as she states, returned to work with breasts a third of their previous size.  Her reasons were maybe similar to Peggy's -she didn't want to go through the constant screenings and be in limbo in between.  It took a long time for her to confide in people outside her immediate family of her decision.  As articulate as my friend can be it has taken a long time for her to reveal exactly what transpired and ironically, after five years of knowing she had the mastectomy due to breast cancer as she positioned it back then, she has just now revealed to our group of friends her situation was exactly like Peggy's.  When she first told us the normal questions were did you have chemo or radiation?  (The answer was no.)  

Peggy writes in her blog that she was not articulate because she is still recovering from surgery-at this point in the show it has been five months since the surgery.  To me it is Peggy's unwillingness to form coherent sentences and responses that have given this story life.

My other issue with Peggy and Diko they are in fact Lebanese born and have Armenian ancestry.  I am curious if she and DIko have even visited Armenian.  Although charming that she and Diko have elected to put their Armenian roots front and center she needs to get real about being an American.  Are they American citizens?  Peggy always has an excuse for her poor communication skills-it is the aftermath of her surgery or her not being an American.  Even her husband questions her claims.    

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To the bolded...  Peggy was born in Armenia and moved to the US at age 1.  Diko was raised in Beirut and then came to the US at some point (I don't know if they ever disclosed exactly when). Their civil war was 1975-1990 so who knows exactly hold old he was. 

[Cranky One]

7 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Nobleman will make a nice "log" on my fire this holiday season.

Please! Your fireplace deserves better! Nobleman isn't even worthy of bathroom reading...unless you were desperate for toilet paper!

8 hours ago, For Cereals said:

So this!  I had that outfit in 7th grade.  She just needed heels with ankle socks to complete the look. Acid wash is the worst of all the washes IMHO, it should've stayed in the 80s.

 

I wish the fashion industry would stop trying to bring back acid wash! I laugh at my 80s pictures with all of us decked out in it.

 

I did laugh at Shannon's reply to David when he asked (between crunching sounds) if they had stores in Iceland and she replied with something about trading animal pelts or something like that! lol

[red12]

It really annoys me when people who can say stuff to push people's button with a straight face and quiet tone use that as a weapon against people who are emotionally compromised or more animated. That is what Peggy and Lydia do to Shannon. Shannon is weak at this time and they are pouncing. It is extra annoying coming from Lydia because she uses her Christian identity as a shield for her evil intent.

This is one of the times I liked Meghan. That line about them not waking the baby was gold.

I liked Tamara's counsel to Shannon, but I do have a hard time seeing her as pure of heart because we have all seen the other side of her.

What the he'll was that sequin jacket Kelly was wearing in the scene with her mother?

Edited October 17, 2017 by red12

[diadochokinesis]

3 minutes ago, Cranky One said:

I wish the fashion industry would stop trying to bring back acid wash! I laugh at my 80s pictures with all of us decked out in it.

 

I had a pair of the AC slater pants in acid wash.  You know the ones with the super high waist, pleats so the legs balloon out, and then super tapered at the bottom.  Lots of buckles too that served no purpose. 

Man, I loved the 80's but the fashion was just bad. 

[Cherrio]

23 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Peggy writes in her blog that she was not articulate because she is still recovering from surgery-at this point in the show it has been five months since the surgery. 

For me that translates to I am still taking Vicodin.  She look, talks and acts like it.

2 minutes ago, red12 said:

What the he'll was that sequin jacket Kelly was wearing in the scene with her mother?

More drugs

[diadochokinesis]

Just now, Cherrio said:

For me that translates to I am still taking Vicodin.  She look, talks and acts like it.

Dude, I didn't even get vicodin after my c-sections. I left the hospital off painkillers. I think I took some tylenol the first day or two just at night but that was it. I understand that the expanders would be a bit painful but she honestly can't be on Vicodin for 5 months after the surgery.  Also, we've seen her drinking and driving (not simultaneously) during the show which would not be recommended when on Vicodin. 

[zoeysmom]

17 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

To the bolded...  Peggy was born in Armenia and moved to the US at age 1.  Diko was raised in Beirut and then came to the US at some point (I don't know if they ever disclosed exactly when). Their civil war was 1975-1990 so who knows exactly hold old he was. 

I recall Peggy saying she was born in Beirut and moved here when she was a year old.  I am not certain as to which war caused the families to flee Armenia -most of the Armenians I know, and I was raised in a heavily populated Armenia community came over here after the war in 1915.  Many came through France and many settled in the Boston area before arriving in California.

I imagine I could have misunderstood Peggy but I am under the impression she said Beirut.  

[lunastartron]

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

I recall Peggy saying she was born in Beirut and moved here when she was a year old.  I am not certain as to which war caused the families to flee Armenia -most of the Armenians I know, and I was raised in a heavily populated Armenia community came over here after the war in 1915.  Many came through France and many settled in the Boston area before arriving in California.

I imagine I could have misunderstood Peggy but I am under the impression she said Beirut.  

Peggy was born in Kuwait. At least, that's what her bio on the Bravo site said pre-season. 

[WireWrap]

21 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

So now Vicki is having heart problems because of all the stress from the girls? Wow, she and Shannon are more alike than either of them care to admit. Over-dramatic. 

Megan's psychic party was interesting. Everyone was all pearl clutching over the idea, but it didn't seem like a set-up to do actual readings or anything. She was just another guest at dinner, who would sometimes throw something out there. Peggy was super rude about it. And Vicki wouldn't even go because her pastor said not to. I'm sorry, my memory is the worst, but didn't Vicki HOST a psychic gathering back in the early years of this show??? 

Either way, I'm over Peggy. Shannon's reactions are super fucking OTT, but Peggy and Niko are trying SO hard to make drama where there is none. Peggy brings UP the topic, and when she and Shannon finally get some alone time to hash it out, Peggy bails. She wants to make the scene. But when she's faced with a human being genuinely asking how she is, she can't handle it. This entire cancer thing has been a whole lot of bait n switch. THEY are the ones who keep bringing it up (and badly), but then get all offended when anyone asks follow up questions. Ugh, it's doing my head in. 

So, the premise of this Iceland trip is that this douchey, rich, So Cal magazine for men is writing an article on the country? Bahahaha, okay then. Again, super jealous of OC right now. I was literally gasping during the previews and I know these bitches will ruin another amazing travel opportunity. 

I won't be surprised when Tamra finally tires of Shannon. They bonded over hating Vicki, but the bloom is off the rose. Shannon is just too needy. She needs to find happiness within herself. Hell, she even SAID that tonight. But then the next words out of her mouth were about DAVID appreciating her while she was gone. I know he had the affair, but does she ever stop to think about how SHE contributed to the problems in their marriage? 

I am such an evil person, but I laughed super hard at David chomping on chips while Shannon tried to pack and fish for compliments. 

Diko really wants to go to Iceland. I'm more convinced with every passing week that this show was HIS idea.

Vicki hosted a psychic the year her mother died (so 2 seasons ago)! She is so full of crap that she leaves a brown stain where ever she is. LOL

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Peggy was born in Kuwait. At least, that's what her bio on the Bravo site said pre-season. 

Thanks Luna-my bad.  I am still wondering when her family left Armenia.

Edited October 17, 2017 by zoeysmom

[diadochokinesis]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I recall Peggy saying she was born in Beirut and moved here when she was a year old.  I am not certain as to which war caused the families to flee Armenia -most of the Armenians I know, and I was raised in a heavily populated Armenia community came over here after the war in 1915.  Many came through France and many settled in the Boston area before arriving in California.

I imagine I could have misunderstood Peggy but I am under the impression she said Beirut.  

I don't recall her saying that she was from Beirut/Lebanon. I remember her saying Diko was but she was from Armenia (because I originally assumed that Diko was Lebanese and she was Armenian).  But I also am having issues paying attention to this season. 

I just want to see Vicki get hit in the head with a football.  I need more of that. 

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Vicki hosted a psychic the year her mother died (so 2 seasons ago)! She is so full of crap that she leaves a brown stain where ever she is. LOL

Vicki is not housebroken. She also peed on a bed that Tamra was going to sleep on (hopefully after calling housekeeping to get a clean one). 

[FamilyVan]

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Vickie: I called my pastor and he said stay away from that psychic!

Me: Hahahahhahahaha

 

She's a hypocrite - LOL - I know she loves that word.  Yes, she had a psychic over after her Mom died with Billy and Tamra there... she also had some astrologer over her house in one of the early seasons to read everyone's chart.  She should have gone to Megan's house, would have made her more relevant and been hella more interesting that her "acting" out her head shake routine at the phony Dr.

[Jel]

If I am keeping track correctly, Lydia is allowed to express her feelings and insist Shannon stop doing something (essentially showing emotion in the way Shannon does) because it pushes Lydia's buttons.

Shannon is not allowed to express her feelings in the way Shannon wants to because it pushes Lydia's buttons.

Entitled much, Lydia?

[FamilyVan]

Lydia never should have come back to the show.  The thirst for more can backfire!  After her season she left on a relative high note, people were sympathertic to her becuause Ragey Ryan chewed out her mom.  And people remember her standing up to Slade and calling him a douche, which anyone would applaud.  Probably she had decent favorability in the public eye as "that former housewife".  But nooo that wasn't good enough, she had to come back with her unicorn sparkle and now everyone cannot stand her and she has lost any good will.  Well played Lydia!  

[booboopbedoo]

5 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Geez Louise.  Peggy is just awful. It was precancerous, from my understanding.  My mom has had precancerous spots removed and we would never dream of saying that she had cancer or "lucky to not be going through chemo."  Her argument with Shannon is completely illogical and over the top. Her husband was just asking some questions.  How weird.  Someone showing concern for another person.  Let's go off on them!

I need Lydia to go away.  I get that she was brought back to defend Vicki which she takes as going after Shannon for absolutely no reason but come on, try to at least be not so obvious at it.  Try to wait for an opportunity where it isn't obvious that you are there just to start crap. And stop playing the Christian card while instigating shit. 

I would and have never talked so much about my illnesses so much.Is that her story line? Attention whore. That Muskrat on her head is hilarious! Who told her that looked good??

Maybe she bought her diploma because she is certainly not at all smart.

 

I have despised Lydia from Day one. I mute the parts where she speaks. Pseudo Christian - when it's convenient