S12.E04: We Have A New Puppet Master

[zoeysmom]

23 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I liked Simon. Yes he could be controlling with Tamra but my insight/intuition tells me Tamra played right into the role of subservient wife to get Simon to marry her. Then she got the gig on RHOC and pulled out the old "bait and "switch" with Simon. Tamra is just gross on the inside. 

This whole bringing Simon around reminds me a bit of Vicki and her trying to resurrect Donn in her life after the Brooks debacle.  Vicki claimed Donn was joining her family for Thanksgiving after the Brooks debacle.  Never happened.  When Vicki was involved in the rollover in Glamis-Donn was the closest to the hospital, production called and Donn said no to helping Vicki.

During Tamra's tenure with Simon RHs weren't making six figures. ,Tamra  managed to get out of the marriage and start dating Eddie, a week later after separating from Simon, and then in short order she secured a six figure deal.  I have no idea how Simon treated Ryan but it must have been somewhat acceptable, as Tamra continued to have more children with SImon.  I never blamed Simon for not wanting a grown man around his children that was shiftless and disruptive-regardless of the relationship to his half-sibs.  The Barneys would not be the first family to want an adult disruptive child out of the household.   Ryan had a father and apparently a grandmother whose doorsteps he could darken.  I get this eerie feeling that Tamra is channeling Vicki and after seven years of pretty much supporting Eddie, Simon is looking pretty good with his high paying Sales Manager job at the Mercedes dealership.  Granted Simon can't sport Spandex the way Eddie can but he has a job. 

[sasha206]

58 minutes ago, Neeners said:

My bestie had a mastectomy in  early June and has an expander (like Peggy). From the get go the doctors have discussed the reconstruction with her. She had to go in for three fills (about one ever couple of weeks), and then once she was the size she wanted they are waiting a bit so the skin is ready and she will have her implant surgery in late September. For her the whole thing will take about four months. I have another friend that had it take a full year, because she wanted a break from medical stuff. 

ETA: Usually when you have radiation they wait longer for the skin to heal before doing the implant surgery. Maybe Peggy didn't have it so she can have the exchange sooner, rather than waiting? 

Ah, thank you!  I learn so much through this board!

[LIMOM]

5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

This whole bringing Simon around reminds me a bit of Vicki and her trying to resurrect Donn in her life after the Brooks debacle.  Vicki claimed Donn was joining her family for Thanksgiving after the Brooks debacle.  Never happened.  When Vicki was involved in the rollover in Glamis-Donn was the closest to the hospital, production called and Donn said no to helping Vicki.

During Tamra's tenure with Simon RHs weren't making six figures. ,Tamra  managed to get out of the marriage and start dating Eddie, a week later after separating from Simon, and then in short order she secured a six figure deal.  I have no idea how Simon treated Ryan but it must have been somewhat acceptable, as Tamra continued to have more children with SImon.  I never blamed Simon for not wanting a grown man around his children that was shiftless and disruptive-regardless of the relationship to his half-sibs.  The Barneys would not be the first family to want an adult disruptive child out of the household.   Ryan had a father and apparently a grandmother whose doorsteps he could darken.  I get this eerie feeling that Tamra is channeling Vicki and after seven years of pretty much supporting Eddie, Simon is looking pretty good with his high paying Sales Manager job at the Mercedes dealership.  Granted Simon can't sport Spandex the way Eddie can but he has a job. 

Isn't Simon with a long time girlfriend?

I don't agree with you that Ryan was disruptive in the family unit.

was he lazy? Yep.

However, he was not involved with drugs or truly an asshole, Imo.

Plus, he had a really nice relationship with his siblings.

I think that Tamra did not really realize how awful Simon was until she saw themselves on tv. Plus, when she had an income, she was empowered to take off.

as far as Simon wanting a proper wife and all that bologna. Tamra did not falsely advertise, imo.

She was that rough around the edge girl when he first met her. He still married her and had a bunch of kids with her.

[Grumpbump]

21 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

This was the second time this season that I've gotten up and vacuumed during the episode.  I'm either going to quit watching or I'm going to have the cleanest house ever.

Oh my god.  I got up and cleaned out the litter boxes and then swept and then vacuumed.  I never ever do this on a weeknight because I am too lazy after working all day.  This show made cleaning my cats' piss and shit something fun.  FU RHOC!  

[FairyDusted]

I'm out. Fuck Kelly Dudd. I just really can't even..... 

[bravofan27]

Thoughts on this episode. Watching on demand now. First, Lydia and her mother are weird, but Lydia's mom sure is taken well care of. DAMN! I guess the potsmoking keeps her busy so she remains silly and in the house and married to the rich dad. Good for her for figuring out how to stay married. LOL. Just be a raging pot smoker and you won't want anything else. 

I like Kelly's husband. He seems really nice and smart. No clue what he sees in Kelly. She seemed pretty drunk steaming her clothes and not all there. Where her husband seemed to be enjoying his time with her. Maybe she is really nice behind closed doors? more likely is she inherited  her father's temperament.

Lydia's kid party was actually pretty fun. I think cuz the house was big enough for people to move around in. It wasnt good enough for Peggy, but oh well. Her husband loves her very much. Peggy and Vicki seem like they will be good friends. 

The vaginal tightening thing was weird. But Vicki likes being around for those types of things. I feel like Kelly was pretty drunk throughout it. 

I thought it was funny with Shannon doing the test drive with her hand clutched to the safety handle. 

I like that Simon is starting to be less the enemy and people are getting to understand each other. Tamra loves Ryan so much, and It's very clear how important he is to her. I think he will end up doing fine.  Tamra is not perfect, but she does love her children, and I believe her that being estranged from Sidney was torture for her. She's really maternal, and she places an importance on family. I feel for her, because having a daughter refuse her has to be incredibly painful. I'm happy they are all in a better place. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by bravofan27

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

Isn't Simon with a long time girlfriend?

I don't agree with you that Ryan was disruptive in the family unit.

was he lazy? Yep.

However, he was not involved with drugs or truly an asshole, Imo.

Plus, he had a really nice relationship with his siblings.

I think that Tamra did not really realize how awful Simon was until she saw themselves on tv. Plus, when she had an income, she was empowered to take off.

as far as Simon wanting a proper wife and all that bologna. Tamra did not falsely advertise, imo.

She was that rough around the edge girl when he first met her. He still married her and had a bunch of kids with her.

Simon has a fiancé.  Donn has a girlfriend. 

I can only go by what Simon and Tamra said about Ryan's behavior and the fact that at one time they paid for him to live away from the family home.  Being lazy and shiftless and mooching off the parents can be disruptive to the family unit.  Ryan was also disrespectful of Simon and to listen to Tamra it caused all sorts of problems between she and Simon.  I would consider that disruptive.  I do believe Ryan got in trouble with the law and elected to go to jail rather than pay a fine.  You are far kinder than I am as I search for a single good thing to see in Ryan. 

From re-reading Simon's blogs I would say he did not realize how awful Tamra was until he saw the show.  I am not necessarily a Simon cheerleader but I do find him head and shoulders above Eddie-at least the guy works and he was able to raise a daughter that was an honor student.  I just get very disgusted when someone rolls on and on about how awful divorce is when they walked away from a marriage.  Sometimes you have to work through the rough times.  Both parties in that marriage seem to have moved on to other relationships.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-5/blogs/a-lighter-side

I agree with Simon, in that as long as these people are part of the show they should seek to not disparage each other as a couple.  There is no guarantee how long their tenure on the show but the words said to each other and others about the other remain forever. 

As far as getting what was advertised- I don't think Simon signed up for a wife who would say such things as she was so attractive she could get a better looking richer guy (on camera).  No one really signs up for that kind of treatment.  She may have scored a better looking guy with Eddie but he is for from rich and totally dependent on Tamra for support.  Makes me wonder who is the one with control issues. 

I find Simon pragmatic and yes he is in control of his life, like most executives.  What is strange for the past season and up until this episode I found myself not disliking Tamra, it is strange her bringing Ryan and Simon back into the fray has caused me to revisit my seasons long dislike of Tamra.  I do not find her to be a very loyal person and I believe she knew exactly what she was doing when she acted out on the show and really didn't care if it was at the expense of her marriage.  To now have her whine about the devastations of divorce seem a little disingenuous at this point.   According to Tamra she was not entirely forthcoming with Simon regarding her mental illness when they met and once again chose to share it in a public forum. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by zoeysmom

[PhilMarlowe2]

2 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I liked Simon. Yes he could be controlling with Tamra but my insight/intuition tells me Tamra played right into the role of subservient wife to get Simon to marry her. Then she got the gig on RHOC and pulled out the old "bait and "switch" with Simon. Tamra is just gross on the inside. 

I didn't like Simon (at all), but I agree with your assessment of what happened. Add to it that Tamra became the breadwinner when the economy collapsed, which I think made Simon even more of an asshole. But, to me, they're both self-victimizing narcissists. Let's not forget that Simon pioneered the "let's blame Vicki for problems that actually have little to nothing to do with her" plan when he constantly blamed her for the troubles in his marriage. He was such a whiner and a baby.

Edited August 2, 2017 by PhilMarlowe2

[DrivingSideways]

I was not a Simon fan, but I tended to take his side in the Ryan issues, because Ryan was so entitled and lazy.  Simon was not his dad, yet he seemed to expect Simon to take care of him.  And Tamra would often play them against each other.  

Refresh my memory - how much of Simon's fall from grace at FJ was due to bad publicity from Tamra's antics on the show?  I remember reading on TWOP years ago that he was a distraction.  I think even the best of marriages would be tested by reality TV, but these two were doomed.  Eddie seems to have really calmed Tamra down.  

[jaybird2]

35 minutes ago, DrivingSideways said:

I was not a Simon fan, but I tended to take his side in the Ryan issues, because Ryan was so entitled and lazy.  Simon was not his dad, yet he seemed to expect Simon to take care of him.  And Tamra would often play them against each other.  

Refresh my memory - how much of Simon's fall from grace at FJ was due to bad publicity from Tamra's antics on the show?  I remember reading on TWOP years ago that he was a distraction.  I think even the best of marriages would be tested by reality TV, but these two were doomed.  Eddie seems to have really calmed Tamra down.  

as much as i'd like to say it was because of the show, i remember he said something inappropriate to the wife of the owner.  it may not have been the owner but a biggie.

[jaybird2]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

This whole bringing Simon around reminds me a bit of Vicki and her trying to resurrect Donn in her life after the Brooks debacle.  Vicki claimed Donn was joining her family for Thanksgiving after the Brooks debacle.  Never happened.  When Vicki was involved in the rollover in Glamis-Donn was the closest to the hospital, production called and Donn said no to helping Vicki.

During Tamra's tenure with Simon RHs weren't making six figures. ,Tamra  managed to get out of the marriage and start dating Eddie, a week later after separating from Simon, and then in short order she secured a six figure deal.  I have no idea how Simon treated Ryan but it must have been somewhat acceptable, as Tamra continued to have more children with SImon.  I never blamed Simon for not wanting a grown man around his children that was shiftless and disruptive-regardless of the relationship to his half-sibs.  The Barneys would not be the first family to want an adult disruptive child out of the household.   Ryan had a father and apparently a grandmother whose doorsteps he could darken.  I get this eerie feeling that Tamra is channeling Vicki and after seven years of pretty much supporting Eddie, Simon is looking pretty good with his high paying Sales Manager job at the Mercedes dealership.  Granted Simon can't sport Spandex the way Eddie can but he has a job. 

i didn't know simon found another job.  that's great.

[jaybird2]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Simon has a fiancé.  Donn has a girlfriend. 

I can only go by what Simon and Tamra said about Ryan's behavior and the fact that at one time they paid for him to live away from the family home.  Being lazy and shiftless and mooching off the parents can be disruptive to the family unit.  Ryan was also disrespectful of Simon and to listen to Tamra it caused all sorts of problems between she and Simon.  I would consider that disruptive.  I do believe Ryan got in trouble with the law and elected to go to jail rather than pay a fine.  You are far kinder than I am as I search for a single good thing to see in Ryan. 

From re-reading Simon's blogs I would say he did not realize how awful Tamra was until he saw the show.  I am not necessarily a Simon cheerleader but I do find him head and shoulders above Eddie-at least the guy works and he was able to raise a daughter that was an honor student.  I just get very disgusted when someone rolls on and on about how awful divorce is when they walked away from a marriage.  Sometimes you have to work through the rough times.  Both parties in that marriage seem to have moved on to other relationships.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-5/blogs/a-lighter-side

I agree with Simon, in that as long as these people are part of the show they should seek to not disparage each other as a couple.  There is no guarantee how long their tenure on the show but the words said to each other and others about the other remain forever. 

As far as getting what was advertised- I don't think Simon signed up for a wife who would say such things as she was so attractive she could get a better looking richer guy (on camera).  No one really signs up for that kind of treatment.  She may have scored a better looking guy with Eddie but he is for from rich and totally dependent on Tamra for support.  Makes me wonder who is the one with control issues. 

I find Simon pragmatic and yes he is in control of his life, like most executives.  What is strange for the past season and up until this episode I found myself not disliking Tamra, it is strange her bringing Ryan and Simon back into the fray has caused me to revisit my seasons long dislike of Tamra.  I do not find her to be a very loyal person and I believe she knew exactly what she was doing when she acted out on the show and really didn't care if it was at the expense of her marriage.  To now have her whine about the devastations of divorce seem a little disingenuous at this point.   According to Tamra she was not entirely forthcoming with Simon regarding her mental illness when they met and once again chose to share it in a public forum. 

thanks for posting simon's blog.  i don't remember seeing it but then it was 7 yrs ago.

[Bronzedog]

I thought Simon was kind of a prick, but, I also think Tamra's behavior on camera embarrassed him and affected his career.  However, I had zero problems with him actually expecting more from Ryan than spending his time and money getting "nugget" tattooed on his bottom lip.

All I can think of when I see Lydia's mother and her damn glitter is when my niece was a kid I gave her a card with glitter on it and she told me glitter was the herpes of the arts and crafts world.  You may think you've gotten rid of it but it always shows up again.

[RubyRena17]

This show is so disjointed but there I sit.... (guilt) I do live in OC, so I watch to see how the world sees us (??)

Anyhow:

VICKI: Why oh why do you dress like you are skinny and 21? That outfit with the teal blazer, black lace up top with the boobs on display, ripped up skinny jeans, and stilletto "cruel shoes" Ow! I kept thinking when she met Peggy's daughter, the DAUGHTER was wearing an age appropriate dress for YOU!!! And you are SO damn phony and SO damn jealous of the Peggy family.

MORE VICKI: So you were forced to go to the revagination with Kelly. That day you wore a TRANSPARENT top! Knock it off with the "hip" clothes! Anyway, remember way back when, when you had that "personal assistant" and there was lengthy discussion of PUBIC HAIR and BRAZILIAN WAXING and you forced her to get a Brazilian and LAUGHED AND SNORTED outside the door while she cried in pain? You are so full of shit pulling that grossed out virginal act.

BRIANNA: Thank you for not going to the birthday party, Eeyore. Thank you for being absent from the episode.

PEGGY: Why are you on this show? Is your daughter Stanford Medical School bound? Does Diko need a Learjet? You do not understand the evil American style of female administration of justice. You need to protect your health and sanity.

TAMRA: You sold your soul (born again or not) to Bravo and gave up a semi decent husband (sorry I don't hate on Simon as much as you), and your precious Sidney. You talk the talk about family but certainly do not walk the walk. Now you have Eddie, a failing gym and a failing, lost, dependent adult son. And a copy of Nobleman magazine on your coffee table.

LYDIA: Party was cute, but there's always lots of booze at kid's parties it seems. Always the booze.

KELLY: I can't stop looking at her mouth. It is a cross between a horse's mouth and a blow-up doll. There's something pornographic about her. I think hubby liked that about her, but then they had kids and it was over. He seems bored. She makes no damn sense ever. She is a damaged person from childhood I think. And wear some damn PANTS with your SHIRT!

MEGAN: Booooorrrrrrrring..... Didn't need to see you breastfeed. Go drop some more pant sizes or something.

SHANNON: Yes! I get it! Going through the driving with my kids now. (Hold my breath the whole time) But in a sensible Toyota, not a Range Rover.

Otherwise, just another straw on my camel's back.

[PhilMarlowe2]

So Meghan is allowed to text Kelly about rumors of her adultery that she heard from Twitter, but how dare Kelly respond with rumors of Jim's infidelity? All  because she is 7 months pregnant? Does that mean if Kelly were 7 months pregnant Meghan would not have brought up her "boyfriend?" What if Kelly were 3 months pregnant? In other words, shut the fuck up Meghan!

[wheresmypizza]

So, because Vicki is so reviled that no one will film with her, Bravo has brought back sparklebitch and her stupid Mom and TeresaGuidice v2.0. The 2 people in Orange County who have yet to switch their faux Tuscan decor out for quartz countertops and Hermes belts. Hate all of this. 

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[WireWrap]

Well, this is a fast recap for Miss Red! https://www.trashtalktv.com/08/01/real-housewives-of-orange-county-recap-more-boring-than-watching-paint-dry/414481/  LOL

[Teddybear]

That was kind of shitty of Tamra's mom not to show up to the event, especially when her dad drove 10 hours to be there.  She's been quite present at parties, etc I wonder why she wasn't there.

And in the previews, if someone took their fingers and put them on my lips to shut them, well, things wouldn't be pretty.  

[LIMOM]

2 hours ago, Teddybear said:

That was kind of shitty of Tamra's mom not to show up to the event, especially when her dad drove 10 hours to be there.  She's been quite present at parties, etc I wonder why she wasn't there.

And in the previews, if someone took their fingers and put them on my lips to shut them, well, things wouldn't be pretty.  

I can't blame the mom. The last time, Tamra had a public speaking engagement, she dogged her mothering.

Plus, it can't be that comfortable to hang with your former best friend,  who is now married to your ex.

I would be taking that extra shift as well.

7 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Simon has a fiancé.  Donn has a girlfriend. 

I can only go by what Simon and Tamra said about Ryan's behavior and the fact that at one time they paid for him to live away from the family home.  Being lazy and shiftless and mooching off the parents can be disruptive to the family unit.  Ryan was also disrespectful of Simon and to listen to Tamra it caused all sorts of problems between she and Simon.  I would consider that disruptive.  I do believe Ryan got in trouble with the law and elected to go to jail rather than pay a fine.  You are far kinder than I am as I search for a single good thing to see in Ryan. 

From re-reading Simon's blogs I would say he did not realize how awful Tamra was until he saw the show.  I am not necessarily a Simon cheerleader but I do find him head and shoulders above Eddie-at least the guy works and he was able to raise a daughter that was an honor student.  I just get very disgusted when someone rolls on and on about how awful divorce is when they walked away from a marriage.  Sometimes you have to work through the rough times.  Both parties in that marriage seem to have moved on to other relationships.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-5/blogs/a-lighter-side

I agree with Simon, in that as long as these people are part of the show they should seek to not disparage each other as a couple.  There is no guarantee how long their tenure on the show but the words said to each other and others about the other remain forever. 

As far as getting what was advertised- I don't think Simon signed up for a wife who would say such things as she was so attractive she could get a better looking richer guy (on camera).  No one really signs up for that kind of treatment.  She may have scored a better looking guy with Eddie but he is for from rich and totally dependent on Tamra for support.  Makes me wonder who is the one with control issues. 

I find Simon pragmatic and yes he is in control of his life, like most executives.  What is strange for the past season and up until this episode I found myself not disliking Tamra, it is strange her bringing Ryan and Simon back into the fray has caused me to revisit my seasons long dislike of Tamra.  I do not find her to be a very loyal person and I believe she knew exactly what she was doing when she acted out on the show and really didn't care if it was at the expense of her marriage.  To now have her whine about the devastations of divorce seem a little disingenuous at this point.   According to Tamra she was not entirely forthcoming with Simon regarding her mental illness when they met and once again chose to share it in a public forum. 

That blog was very much one sided however it is nice to see his POV.

As far as Tamra's mental illness, suffering from depression is not a big deal. Isn't it for better or for worst, in sickness and in health? Or in Simon's case as long as Tamra did not get mosquito bites size implants.

I don't give any credit to either Simon nor Tamra for Sydney's scholastic achievements, it is all hers and in spite of her parents Imo.

 

Also, on another subject, Kudos to Megan for breastfeeding little Aspen. 

[zenme]

I never minded Simon so much. I guess because Tamara has always really gotten on my nerves. I guess trying to put pearls on a pig is hard work. 

[LIMOM]

20 minutes ago, zenme said:

I never minded Simon so much. I guess because Tamara has always really gotten on my nerves. I guess trying to put pearls on a pig is hard work. 

She might be a piglet however she was HIS pig and the mother of his children.

I can't stand Simon personally as I hate a dude who marries a ho and expects her to only be a ho in the bedroom.

It does not work that way.

Plus he is a self righteous moron, Imo.

She definitely upgraded with Eddie Judge who despite his name is the least judgemental and kindest dude on the franchise.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, LIMOM said:

I can't blame the mom. The last time, Tamra had a public speaking engagement, she dogged her mothering.

Plus, it can't be that comfortable to hang with your former best friend,  who is now married to your ex.

I would be taking that extra shift as well.

That blog was very much one sided however it is nice to see his POV.

As far as Tamra's mental illness, suffering from depression is not a big deal. Isn't it for better or for worst, in sickness and in health? Or in Simon's case as long as Tamra did not get mosquito bites size implants.

I don't give any credit to either Simon nor Tamra for Sydney's scholastic achievements, it is all hers and in spite of her parents Imo.

 

Also, on another subject, Kudos to Megan for breastfeeding little Aspen. 

The idea of a blog is it is from your point of view as to what happened. 

Suffering from depression is a huge deal, suffering from depression and having two suicide attempts is very serious. 

Tamra asked Simon about re-sizing her implants.  Since she has had three changes since that day I would say Tamra does pretty much what she wants when it comes to her breasts.  The ones she ended up getting were larger than the ones she had-yet this is a woman who referred to Alexis as "Jesus Jugs".  Tamra also did the same thing to Simon in asking what dress to wear-when he said, after being asked, he didn't like a super short, low cut dress, Tamra made a big deal over wearing something more demure.  If you don't want someone's opinion -don't ask.  That is not be controlling that expressing one's solicited opinion.

[VedaPierce]

19 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Simon got Ryan into a very hard to get into Mercedes Benz mechanic's school and Ryan could not deal with having to go to work and start in the parts department.  Also, Simon paid Ryan's rent before he moved back in after mechanic's school. 

Simon was the one getting the kids ready for school because Tamra suffered from depression, he made the breakfasts and packed their lunches and took the kids to school.  VIcki even mentioned one time that Tamra didn't get out of bed until 9:00 am and then she went to the gym and had her nails done. 

To me the irony is, now Tamra is married to the peacock, who she supports with a gym and all the various things he does for his own fitness regime.  Eddie seems very comfortable calling her mega earnings from the show their money. 

So she was too depressed to make her kids' lunches, but not depressed enough to skip getting her nails done or hit the gym? Lol lol I'm gonna try that one tomorrow and see how that flies! :)

[LIMOM]

Just now, VedaPierce said:

So she was too depressed to make her kids' lunches, but not depressed enough to skip getting her nails done or hit the gym? Lol lol I'm gonna try that one tomorrow and see how that flies! :)

I don't buy that bull.

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

The idea of a blog is it is from your point of view as to what happened. 

Suffering from depression is a huge deal, suffering from depression and having two suicide attempts is very serious. 

Tamra asked Simon about re-sizing her implants.  Since she has had three changes since that day I would say Tamra does pretty much what she wants when it comes to her breasts.  The ones she ended up getting were larger than the ones she had-yet this is a woman who referred to Alexis as "Jesus Jugs".  Tamra also did the same thing to Simon in asking what dress to wear-when he said, after being asked, he didn't like a super short, low cut dress, Tamra made a big deal over wearing something more demure.  If you don't want someone's opinion -don't ask.  That is not be controlling that expressing one's solicited opinion.

It is just a reflection of his dumb values, imo.

As far as her suicide attempts it is all new to me.

When did this happen?

[SunnyBeBe]

12 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Simon has a fiancé.  Donn has a girlfriend. 

I can only go by what Simon and Tamra said about Ryan's behavior and the fact that at one time they paid for him to live away from the family home.  Being lazy and shiftless and mooching off the parents can be disruptive to the family unit.  Ryan was also disrespectful of Simon and to listen to Tamra it caused all sorts of problems between she and Simon.  I would consider that disruptive.  I do believe Ryan got in trouble with the law and elected to go to jail rather than pay a fine.  You are far kinder than I am as I search for a single good thing to see in Ryan. 

From re-reading Simon's blogs I would say he did not realize how awful Tamra was until he saw the show.  I am not necessarily a Simon cheerleader but I do find him head and shoulders above Eddie-at least the guy works and he was able to raise a daughter that was an honor student.  I just get very disgusted when someone rolls on and on about how awful divorce is when they walked away from a marriage.  Sometimes you have to work through the rough times.  Both parties in that marriage seem to have moved on to other relationships.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-5/blogs/a-lighter-side

I agree with Simon, in that as long as these people are part of the show they should seek to not disparage each other as a couple.  There is no guarantee how long their tenure on the show but the words said to each other and others about the other remain forever. 

As far as getting what was advertised- I don't think Simon signed up for a wife who would say such things as she was so attractive she could get a better looking richer guy (on camera).  No one really signs up for that kind of treatment.  She may have scored a better looking guy with Eddie but he is for from rich and totally dependent on Tamra for support.  Makes me wonder who is the one with control issues. 

I find Simon pragmatic and yes he is in control of his life, like most executives.  What is strange for the past season and up until this episode I found myself not disliking Tamra, it is strange her bringing Ryan and Simon back into the fray has caused me to revisit my seasons long dislike of Tamra.  I do not find her to be a very loyal person and I believe she knew exactly what she was doing when she acted out on the show and really didn't care if it was at the expense of her marriage.  To now have her whine about the devastations of divorce seem a little disingenuous at this point.   According to Tamra she was not entirely forthcoming with Simon regarding her mental illness when they met and once again chose to share it in a public forum. 

I agree.  Good points.  Of all the housewife franchises, Tamra has to be at the top of my dislike list.  I find her extremely disloyal and dishonest.  I guess she'll never leave though.  Despite what Vicki may claim against her, she would never stand by and let Tamra get the boot.  She's blinded by her, imo.  

I think that KELLY must have a TWIN or at least a sister out there.  I saw this woman who reminds me so much of Kelly.  It's odd how much they resemble, talk alike, have same mannerisms, etc.  Sadly, this lady was featured on a crime show as a victim.  She was almost killed by her famous boyfriend, MMA star War Machine in Las Vegas.  Below is a clip of her testimony.  

 

[oakville]

On 2017-07-31 at 10:28 PM, WireWrap said:

They can't turn back the clock at this stage, we all know these women/their families too well for that (except Peggy and I have no interest in getting to know her at this point). 

I enjoyed the first few seasons of OC because they focused on the ladies lives. Jenna's family was interesting. I don't like all the fighting in restaurants. It's rude

[oakville]

14 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

This whole bringing Simon around reminds me a bit of Vicki and her trying to resurrect Donn in her life after the Brooks debacle.  Vicki claimed Donn was joining her family for Thanksgiving after the Brooks debacle.  Never happened.  When Vicki was involved in the rollover in Glamis-Donn was the closest to the hospital, production called and Donn said no to helping Vicki.

During Tamra's tenure with Simon RHs weren't making six figures. ,Tamra  managed to get out of the marriage and start dating Eddie, a week later after separating from Simon, and then in short order she secured a six figure deal.  I have no idea how Simon treated Ryan but it must have been somewhat acceptable, as Tamra continued to have more children with SImon.  I never blamed Simon for not wanting a grown man around his children that was shiftless and disruptive-regardless of the relationship to his half-sibs.  The Barneys would not be the first family to want an adult disruptive child out of the household.   Ryan had a father and apparently a grandmother whose doorsteps he could darken.  I get this eerie feeling that Tamra is channeling Vicki and after seven years of pretty much supporting Eddie, Simon is looking pretty good with his high paying Sales Manager job at the Mercedes dealership.  Granted Simon can't sport Spandex the way Eddie can but he has a job. 

Simon got Ryan a job at the dealership but Ryan kept screwing up. He was focused on   Getting tattoos & taking steroids for his body building. Simon & Eddie were friends.

[RHJunkie]

Kelly is so delusional. Her account of her impromptu meeting with Shannon was a re-spun tale that made it seem like she was a total innocent. And then she casually mentioned the comments she said to Shannon - Kelly, it all started because after Shannon confided something personal to you about her weight gain, you dismissed her feelings completely and said something to the effect of 'so what, we've all got problems'. Tamra is not the reason Shannon doesn't like you. Kelly constantly says whatever shewant and apologize later and assume that that's always going to make it better.

I didn't like how Lydia presented the situation either. She did really make it seem like Shannon's reaction was completely unprompted. Shannon was totally wrong for her outburst but don't like she's some raving lunatic that randomly flies off the handle at people for no reason.

If anyone's curious - Lydia's maternal grandfather was known to be an eccentric guy so I see where her mom gets it from. Also, based on what she said, I assume that Lydia's parents are still married. Is her mother living in California full-time and just her father travels back and forth between California and Newfoundland?

I really don't understand Vicki. She keeps taking digs at the other women for how involved they were in Brook's medical situation...or specifically Meghan for digging around and saying that she's not going to dig around people's medical history to find anything out. First of all, it makes no sense to throw a dig at Meghan when she was RIGHT! And secondly, the only reason that Meghan became invested in Brooks situation is because she was living close to a cancer situation (Jimmy's ex-wife) and she was able to easily pick on the long list of things that came out of Brooks and Vicki's mouths that didn't add up. It's not like Meghan hires a private detective to gather intel on everyone she meets. Vicki and Brooks dropped crumbs and Meghan picked them up. Even if Vicki didn't know that the cancer was a lie, she knowingly lied to protect Brooks so that others would believe what was in fact a lie. She had no reason to go out of her way to lie for him. She could have just as easily said 'I haven't been to his doctor appointments or seen his medical records but I love this man and will believe that he's telling me the truth until he gives me a reason to not believe him anymore'. Instead this bitch lied because she wanted casseroles and now she's acting like a victim. Why is she so comfortable being an absolute dumbass?

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

I don't buy that bull.

It is just a reflection of his dumb values, imo.

As far as her suicide attempts it is all new to me.

When did this happen?

When Tamra gave her speech to the women's convention she talked about it.  Once shortly after her first divorce-she was cheating on Darren, and that sparked a whole world of back and forth between the two of them and then another time-I don't remember when.  These are things a future partner should know. 

http://www.allabouttrh.com/2013/07/18/tamra-barneys-ex-husband-reveals-all-slams-the-housewife-for-being-a-bad-mom-and-more/

It got worse.  Tamra called her ex gay.  Please read the story as it describes who raised Ryan and when.  Believe it or not SImon stepped up to the plate and gets along with Tamra's ex.  Strange folk.

[eurekagirl mOo]

5 hours ago, LIMOM said:

I can't blame the mom. The last time, Tamra had a public speaking engagement, she dogged her mothering.

Plus, it can't be that comfortable to hang with your former best friend,  who is now married to your ex.

I would be taking that extra shift as well.

That blog was very much one sided however it is nice to see his POV.

As far as Tamra's mental illness, suffering from depression is not a big deal. Isn't it for better or for worst, in sickness and in health? Or in Simon's case as long as Tamra did not get mosquito bites size implants.

I don't give any credit to either Simon nor Tamra for Sydney's scholastic achievements, it is all hers and in spite of her parents Imo.

 

Also, on another subject, Kudos to Megan for breastfeeding little Aspen. 

Yes it is! Lot's of people who have  depression suffer terribly. Unable to get out of bed. Can't function. Often the extremely depressed try ( and sometimes succeed) in killing themselves because the world is THAT bleak and dark. It's a horrible, horrible thing to have. I'm bi-polar and Depression is a HUGE problem for me and many others. I take meds that now control it but trust me it was pure HELL before that. Hospitals, etc. Depression is NO JOKE!! My son killed himself at 31 because he was depressed. His Dad attempted suicide twice. It will KILL YOU. If you have depression please, please call the suicide hotline or seek help! 

[zoeysmom]

14 minutes ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Yes it is! Lot's of people who have  depression suffer terribly. Unable to get out of bed. Can't function. Often the extremely depressed try ( and sometimes succeed) in killing themselves because the world is THAT bleak and dark. It's a horrible, horrible thing to have. I'm bi-polar and Depression is a HUGE problem for me and many others. I take meds that now control it but trust me it was pure HELL before that. Hospitals, etc. Depression is NO JOKE!! My son killed himself at 31 because he was depressed. His Dad attempted suicide twice. It will KILL YOU. If you have depression please, please call the suicide hotline or seek help! 

I am so sorry for your loss.   Depression is something these women should be addressing as well as anxiety.  The effects of these ailments are so debilitating.  I have real issues with Lydia running around calling people, "Mayor of Crazytown party of one", these shows should be more sensitive to people struggles, not allowing these slurs to occur.

[jaync]

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Andy thought he was kind of hot, last night. Is he?

He is here...

This is the sex offender brother...

[zoeysmom]

Handsome men.  I hope there are brains to go with the looks.  The top one needs to rethink his career as a writer.

[SCS]

4 hours ago, LIMOM said:

 

As far as her suicide attempts it is all new to me.

When did this happen?

 

Limom, she only revealed it when seeking sympathy (in a public forum, of course) by claiming that her own mother's mothering wasn't sufficient. Unless Meghan has taken this on as her newest investigative case, all we have is Tams' word that she attempted suicide The link featuring her ex-husband says:

 

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Tamra revealed that she attempted to overdose on pills and Nyquil after her divorce from Darren

 

Years of watching Tamra shows she has an overwhelming need for attention and a tremendous victim mentality -- that "overdose" as she calls it may have been nothing more than an attention-grab of 2 Nyquil tabs and 1 sleeping pill, with others scattered about the comforter, leaving her incoherent. disoriented, maybe even difficult to awaken, hence Darren reporting it:

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to the authorities who rushed Tamra to the hospital and was then treated.

Do I think Tams plays fast 'n loose with the facts? Yep. Do I believe she attempted suicide? Based on what she's shown us over the years and IMO, no.

 

2 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Yes it is! Lot's of people who have  depression suffer terribly. Unable to get out of bed. Can't function. Often the extremely depressed try ( and sometimes succeed) in killing themselves because the world is THAT bleak and dark. It's a horrible, horrible thing to have. I'm bi-polar and Depression is a HUGE problem for me and many others. I take meds that now control it but trust me it was pure HELL before that. Hospitals, etc. Depression is NO JOKE!! My son killed himself at 31 because he was depressed. His Dad attempted suicide twice. It will KILL YOU. If you have depression please, please call the suicide hotline or seek help! 

 

I agree. True depression is debilitating and soul-sucking and should never be mocked or used to further a storyline. And I'm sorry for the loss of your son.

[LIMOM]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

When Tamra gave her speech to the women's convention she talked about it.  Once shortly after her first divorce-she was cheating on Darren, and that sparked a whole world of back and forth between the two of them and then another time-I don't remember when.  These are things a future partner should know. 

http://www.allabouttrh.com/2013/07/18/tamra-barneys-ex-husband-reveals-all-slams-the-housewife-for-being-a-bad-mom-and-more/

It got worse.  Tamra called her ex gay.  Please read the story as it describes who raised Ryan and when.  Believe it or not SImon stepped up to the plate and gets along with Tamra's ex.  Strange folk.

Wow.

Poor Ryan, he was passed along from house to house. No wonder, he is confused and has no direction in life.

I agree with ex number one, Tamra was a selfish mother at the time and is still a dram queen.

why would any sane men want to marry this person?

yes, she is hot but she is also super high maintenance.

Strange, strange people. 

[Natalie68]

On 7/31/2017 at 8:42 PM, VedaPierce said:

I'm looking forward to watching her chip-clip the ever annoying Meghan Mouth next episode! Then watching Megan's eyes bug out as she realizes that she's just been insulted. 

Someone who grabs my mouth is pulling back a stump.  It is rude, I do not know where your fingers have been and who the fuck are you to touch me???  That crossed a serious line.  

[Mindthinkr]

2 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Yes it is! Lot's of people who have  depression suffer terribly. Unable to get out of bed. Can't function. Often the extremely depressed try ( and sometimes succeed) in killing themselves because the world is THAT bleak and dark. It's a horrible, horrible thing to have. I'm bi-polar and Depression is a HUGE problem for me and many others. I take meds that now control it but trust me it was pure HELL before that. Hospitals, etc. Depression is NO JOKE!! My son killed himself at 31 because he was depressed. His Dad attempted suicide twice. It will KILL YOU. If you have depression please, please call the suicide hotline or seek help! 

I am sorry for your loss and all the terrible things that you have witnessed and lived with due to depression. It's like those Dementors in the Harry Potter books. 

[LIMOM]

2 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Yes it is! Lot's of people who have  depression suffer terribly. Unable to get out of bed. Can't function. Often the extremely depressed try ( and sometimes succeed) in killing themselves because the world is THAT bleak and dark. It's a horrible, horrible thing to have. I'm bi-polar and Depression is a HUGE problem for me and many others. I take meds that now control it but trust me it was pure HELL before that. Hospitals, etc. Depression is NO JOKE!! My son killed himself at 31 because he was depressed. His Dad attempted suicide twice. It will KILL YOU. If you have depression please, please call the suicide hotline or seek help! 

I was raised by a depressive alcoholic mother and had bout of depressions myself. I am not minimizing the disease but I disagree with the fact that it is a handicap, imo.

I have been managing since I was in my teens. Is it easy? No, but it is also something I had to learn to cope with.

I guess I might be an optimistic depressed person or as my dear SIL says a survivor.

I feel for you and I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your son, it is truly the worst. I apologize if my words came across as callous, it was not my intent. 

 

In Tamra's case from the article, it sounded like a cry for help as opposed to real psychic pain. Imho, Simon knew what he was signing up for.

[WhoaWhoKnew]

5 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

I was raised by a depressive alcoholic mother and had bout of depressions myself. I am not minimizing the disease but I disagree with the fact that it is a handicap, imo.

I have been managing since I was in my teens. Is it easy? No, but it is also something I had to learn to cope with.

I know you mean no harm with this comment, but we all should be very careful with this line of thinking. 

Everyone experiences life differently. Just because something is true for one person does not mean it is for another.

Mental illness is not black and white. 

[LIMOM]

Just now, WhoaWhoKnew said:

I know you mean no harm with this comment, but we all should be very careful with this line of thinking. 

Everyone experiences life differently. Just because something is true for one person does not mean it is for another.

Mental illness is not black and white. 

Agreed. I think that saying that it was not a big deal came out wrong. I misspoke.

[VedaPierce]

14 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

So Meghan is allowed to text Kelly about rumors of her adultery that she heard from Twitter, but how dare Kelly respond with rumors of Jim's infidelity? All  because she is 7 months pregnant? Does that mean if Kelly were 7 months pregnant Meghan would not have brought up her "boyfriend?" What if Kelly were 3 months pregnant? In other words, shut the fuck up Meghan!

Omg! 1000x YES! No kidding! Something about Meghan just annoys the crap out of me. She seems so smug and self righteous all the time! Go away Meghan! But leave the baby-she can stay. 

Also...HATE the name Girly-girl! Gag. Puke. Can't stand Meghan. 

[chenoa333]

I haven't seen the latest episode yet. But who is "the new puppet master"? I still giggle every time I hear Kelly screwing up the "puppet master" analogy regarding Madame Puppet ((Heather)!

[yourmomiseasy]

On 8/1/2017 at 11:09 AM, sasha206 said:

The one thing struck me was the surgery was described as recent.  And then she's in the surgeon's office talking reconstruction?  I thought the optimum time to do that is 6 months to a year after surgery, with surgeons leaning toward a year after.  Was it really that recent?  It was recent enough that Lydia was told not to hug her.  And then they filmed the husband and Peggy talking about her surgery as if it was some pre-surgery flashback.  Was she being filmed before the surgery or was that a setup ?

http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/surgery/reconstruction/when  I

From listening to her talk and seeing her follow up appointment, I'm assuming she had the chest expanders put in at the time of her mastectomy.  

23 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Ha, I made the same Cruella DeVille reference last episode! Sounds like many of us think their cars are ugly.

 

I made the same reference in the episode 2 thread.  It's not actually what Cruella's car looked like, but it is hard to think of anything else while looking at those dumb cars.  Seeing in their garage it looks like they were not lame enough to paint all the cars that way.

46 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

Agreed. I think that saying that it was not a big deal came out wrong. I misspoke.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I took it to mean you didn't think it should be this big stigmatizing mark against a person.  

[nexxie]

2 hours ago, jaync said:

He is here...

This is the sex offender brother...

Sex offender? Guess I missed this - how do we know?

[sasha206]

14 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Sex offender? Guess I missed this - how do we know?

I forgot about the brother.  Geoff Stirling Jr. has quite a few mugshots.  Aggravated assault on a minor.  He's on the Arizona sex offender registry.  

Edited August 2, 2017 by sasha206

[ShawnaLanne]

On 8/1/2017 at 7:31 AM, DrivingSideways said:

Kelly is a hot mess but when she stormed in and yelled "IM HERE TO GET MY SNATCH TIGHTENED", I rewound it and watched it a few times.  She is funny as hell.

I'm assuming Lydia's brother that was at the kid's party is not the pedophile brother?  Knowing she had a pedo brother made that an uncomfortable scene to watch.

I was prepared for a super boring episode but I actually kind of enjoyed this one.  I see Ryan inherited the 'tearless crying' gene from his mother.  I don't really feel bad for either one of them.  Tamra was so toxic and disturbing that she ran Simon off, and alienated one of her children in the process.  She seems to have turned over a new leaf so hopefully she will repair those relationships.  And Ryan was such a little shit when he was under Simon's roof, refusing to work, bragging with his stupid friends about how he was going to be a cop...  actually I kind of pity Ryan because he's so pathetic, and his mom knows it.  

Co-sign all of this,  but the Simon thing,  he was creepy,  controlling and manipulative and she left him. Good riddance.

[ghoulina]

20 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I liked Simon. Yes he could be controlling with Tamra but my insight/intuition tells me Tamra played right into the role of subservient wife to get Simon to marry her. Then she got the gig on RHOC and pulled out the old "bait and "switch" with Simon. Tamra is just gross on the inside. 

I mostly agree. I thought Simon could be an ass at times, but can you imagine living with Tamra? I totally believe she sold an image to get that ring, then went back off the rails a few kids later. Sometimes during those early episodes you could see Simon just being aghast at her behavior. Tamra should be who she is, but I do think she duped him a fair bit. 

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, LIMOM said:

However, he was not involved with drugs or truly an asshole, Imo.

He (Ryan) tried to go after a drunk woman in the bathroom. He's vile, and cut from the same cloth as his mother, IMO. 

I don't know about drugs, but I do think he partied a lot back then, then wanted to sleep all day. 

12 hours ago, Teddybear said:

That was kind of shitty of Tamra's mom not to show up to the event, especially when her dad drove 10 hours to be there.  She's been quite present at parties, etc I wonder why she wasn't there.

Maybe because her ex-husband and ex-best friend were there. Together. That has to still be painful, after all these years. 

Also, Tamra's brother said she had to work. I don't know what she does for a living, but maybe she legit couldn't get out of it. Her being at every other things makes me give her a pass for this one. Plus, I thought the whole purpose of the event seemed kind of gross and self-serving. 

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, LIMOM said:

I was raised by a depressive alcoholic mother and had bout of depressions myself. I am not minimizing the disease but I disagree with the fact that it is a handicap, imo.

I have been managing since I was in my teens. Is it easy? No, but it is also something I had to learn to cope with.

I guess I might be an optimistic depressed person or as my dear SIL says a survivor.

I feel for you and I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your son, it is truly the worst. I apologize if my words came across as callous, it was not my intent. 

 

In Tamra's case from the article, it sounded like a cry for help as opposed to real psychic pain. Imho, Simon knew what he was signing up for.

I apologize for sending you down that path of questioning Tamra's sincerity, I believe what was astounding to many is that Tamra in front of a huge group of people and fro the show laid out her life and battles with depression.  The ex took it to mean she was accusing him of the suicide attempt.  Other questions, she was at the minimum in a locked down psych unit under California H&S Code Section 5150 for 72 hours.  During her speech she also spoke of being sexually active since she was a young teen-maybe 13 or 14 and various other forms of acting out.  I do not believe Simon knew the breadth of her mental illness issues and acting out either due to Tamra concealing them or lack of exploration of the topic.  Tamra was pregnant with Sydney when she and Simon married.  Tamra also said her mother never said she loved her.  This was dispelled by Tamra's brother during her wedding special. SO yep she lies for attention and sympathy.  I can totally see why you questioned Tamra's sincerity.  I believe after she ingested the substances for her suicide she thencalled both her mother and estranged husband ensuring there would emergency medical intervention.  Thank goodness for her they were available.

[eurekagirl mOo]

2 hours ago, LIMOM said:

I was raised by a depressive alcoholic mother and had bout of depressions myself. I am not minimizing the disease but I disagree with the fact that it is a handicap, imo.

I have been managing since I was in my teens. Is it easy? No, but it is also something I had to learn to cope with.

I guess I might be an optimistic depressed person or as my dear SIL says a survivor.

I feel for you and I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your son, it is truly the worst. I apologize if my words came across as callous, it was not my intent. 

 

In Tamra's case from the article, it sounded like a cry for help as opposed to real psychic pain. Imho, Simon knew what he was signing up for.

There is a difference in being able to "manage" your depression and having a true mental illness. I'm wired badly and I need meds and therapy to make it. I'm 59 and I will be battling this until I die. Just to be clear, I was NOT looking for sympathy for the loss of my son. 8 years ago he sat it in a car and drank a bottle of booze and swallowed an entire bottle of pills. He was 31 years old. That was NOT something you can "manage" . Your lucky.