The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

[Cinnabon]

Don’t parents at the minimum in Arkansas have to file some kind of paperwork with the state regarding their homeschooling plans? At least the name of the alleged “teacher?” And isn’t it supposed to be a parent? I assume Anna filed stating she was doing the homeschooling for her kids. But who knows?

[GeeGolly]

15 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

It's one thing to leave your kids with a babysitter because you have to go work or care for a sick relative or even just a night out with friends.   It's another to dump your kids on your sister in law because you are spending all your time with your husband who can't be around kids.   A husband who was not sick as in needing care, who can feed and dress himself.   It's goes to neglect.   And judgment quite frankly.    She chose to wait on her husband rather than care for her small children who can't care for themselves.

Though I don't work for DCF, I do work with parents with DCF involvement. Getting a babysitter is seen as good judgement by DCF. Many DCF plans actually include parents agreeing to use a sitter if they're going to engage in things like drinking alcohol or using drugs. So if Anna was going to be intimate with her (scummy) husband, getting a babysitter is appropriate. And Josh was only accused of a crime then.

Also, at this point I don't think its been shown that Anna made a habit of dumping her kids excessively, to see Josh.

[Rabbittron]

13 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Still, the timing. This happened three months ago but is just now being leaked - the day after the trial. Why?

Because the Duggars have to keep being on the news or else millions of adorning fans will forget about them. 

[Scarlett45]

Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

[satrunrose]

I don't think this was a Duggar leak (or at least not a Duggar who supports the empire leak). In IBLP world, providing child care is one of a woman's only two jobs (the other being giving birth), and Jana not only failed at that, she failed in a way that drew even more negative heathen attention to this "godly" family.

 

[Churchhoney]

59 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Don’t parents at the minimum in Arkansas have to file some kind of paperwork with the state regarding their homeschooling plans? At least the name of the alleged “teacher?” And isn’t it supposed to be a parent? I assume Anna filed stating she was doing the homeschooling for her kids. But who knows?

The Arkansas homeschool laws have tightened up a tiny bit over the past few years, but they're still extremely loose. They do bar you from homeschooling if a registered sex offender lives in your home (not the case in every state). Basically, the Arkansas laws amount to the state covering its ass by collecting a bunch of statements from homeschooling parents in which the parents agree that, since they're homeschooling, every consequence of the kids' education, good or bad, is entirely the parents' responsibility. 

You have to send in a form each August stating that you'll be homeschooling kids x, y and z who are ages a, b and c. (or send in a form a few weeks in advance if you decide to start homeschooling mid-year).  The homeschooling parents have to affirm that they're wholly responsible for the education of and educational choices made for the children ages 5 through 17 who are being homeschooled, and as long as there is no registered sex offender living in the home, there aren't really any other requirements. 

The teacher can be literally anyone the parents choose. What that amounts to is that it can, in fact, be noone. You can just plunk them in front of a computer -- or a tv or a trash fire, if you want to --  and tell them to teach themselves. No requirement that parents must do the schooling, tell the state who is doing the schooling, or choose a teacher who meets any requirement whatsoever. No immunizations or anything like that are required. There are no curricular requirements. 

So there's nothing to file except the annual form listing the kids you intend to homeschool that year, and your address and other contact information. And since the Duggars have been homeschooling for years, somebody probably reminded Anna she needed to do this last summer or filled out the form so all she had to do was sign it, I'd guess. 

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Churchhoney

[ginger90]

Yet again, Josh’s name is inserted.

[Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

The Arkansas homeschool laws have tightened up a tiny bit over the past few years, but they're still extremely loose. They do bar you from homeschooling if a registered sex offender lives in your home (not the case in every state). Basically, the Arkansas laws amount to the state covering its ass by collecting a bunch of statements from homeschooling parents in which the parents agree that, since they're homeschooling, every consequence of the kids' education, good or bad, is entirely the parents' responsibility. 

You have to send in a form each August stating that you'll be homeschooling kids x, y and z who are ages a, b and c. (or send in a form a few weeks in advance if you decide to start homeschooling mid-year).  The homeschooling parents have to affirm that they're wholly responsible for the education of and educational choices made for the children ages 5 through 17 who are being homeschooled, and as long as there is no registered sex offender living in the home, there aren't really any other requirements. 

The teacher can be literally anyone the parents choose. What that amounts to is that it can, in fact, be noone. You can just plunk them in front of a computer -- or a tv or a trash fire, if you want to --  and tell them to teach themselves. No requirement that parents must do the schooling, tell the state who is doing the schooling, or choose a teacher who meets any requirement whatsoever. No immunizations or anything like that are required. There are no curricular requirements. 

So there's nothing to file except the annual form listing the kids you intend to homeschool that year, and your address and other contact information. And since the Duggars have been homeschooling for years, somebody probably reminded Anna she needed to do this last summer or filled out the form so all she had to do was sign it, I'd guess. 

 

Another huge failure in this country. We’re failing our kids. 😢

[crazy8s]

Don't you all think this whole Child Endangerment citation was really a non event. There could have been lots of reasons a child was wandering alone on a road. But the officer was just so star struck a Duggar was involved, he just issued the citation to take down a Duggar, without looking at other possibilities....

[Zella]

Just now, crazy8s said:

Don't you all think this whole Child Endangerment citation was really a non event. There could have been lots of reasons a child was wandering alone on a road. But the officer was just so star struck a Duggar was involved, he just issued the citation to take down a Duggar, without looking at other possibilities....

The key is the missing router, undoubtedly! 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Zella

[MargeGunderson]

18 minutes ago, Zella said:

The key is the missing router, undoubtedly! 

I bet the router snitched on them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if kids just get randomly dropped off at TTH with no warning. 

[Call Me Charlie]

Amy's IG Story might have confirmed what happened with Jana. If she was getting her digs in, this was really passive aggressive of her and uncalled for. Must be nice to have only one child to care for with your mom around all the time to babysit as opposed to, you know, being ordered by your abusive Boob Dad to care for like a dozen kids who aren't even yours. Amy needs to check herself. 

[Madtown]

5 hours ago, sigmaforce86 said:

I keep thinking how pathetic it is if the reason the child was wandering was that Jana fell asleep.  And I don't mean that Jana is pathetic I mean the situation - This is a 31 year old single women buried in a family of super breeders.  We have no idea what her day to day responsibilities are but we've seen her on the show and in news stories watching the younger siblings and managing the house; watching nieces and nephews, going on shopping trips and wrangling the kids while Mom and Dad browse and going on trips with the married couples just to be an extra babysitter.  We know she tends her garden for real (it's not just a TV stunt garden), she helps school the younger kids and I don't think it's a stretch to say she likely took on chores that Grandma Duggar used to do.  So what's really pathetic is she's been raised to believe that this is her responsibility in life until she's married.  Instead of the family having as many kids as they can handle and primarily raising those kids themselves they allow her to be the dumping ground for childcare.  I think the poor girl is just plain exhausted and it caught up with her at the worst time.

 

5 hours ago, louannems said:

I agree and I wish Jana would move out and live on her own.  If Sarah Maxwell can do it then so can Jana.

If I were Jana, this would've been the last straw. I would tell JB, MEchelle and Anna to watch their own damn kids and I would pack up my shit and get the fuck out. She's 31, she can figure out a place to go.

 

Edited to add that Amy can go fuck herself.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Madtown

[Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, Call Me Charlie said:

Amy's IG Story might have confirmed what happened with Jana. If she was getting her digs in, this was really passive aggressive of her and uncalled for. Must be nice to have only one child to care for with your mom around all the time to babysit as opposed to, you know, being ordered by your abusive Boob Dad to care for like a dozen kids who aren't even yours. Amy needs to check herself. 

I may have cracked a smile, but yes it’s unnecessary.

[BetyBee]

7 minutes ago, Call Me Charlie said:

Amy's IG Story might have confirmed what happened with Jana. If she was getting her digs in, this was really passive aggressive of her and uncalled for. Must be nice to have only one child to care for with your mom around all the time to babysit as opposed to, you know, being ordered by your abusive Boob Dad to care for like a dozen kids who aren't even yours. Amy needs to check herself. 

How rude! I have never had the impression that Jana doesn't care for kids - she's been caring for Duggar kids since she could talk! I don't know what happened that day in September, but I would bet that Amy doesn't know either and this is a cheap shot.

[Zella]

Amy is setting herself up for karma to bite her in the ass hard. 

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

How rude! I have never had the impression that Jana doesn't care for kids - she's been caring for Duggar kids since she could talk! I don't know what happened that day in September, but I would bet that Amy doesn't know either and this is a cheap shot.

Who knows what kind of history Amy and Jana have? It seems like Amy has a lot of pent up anger. Maybe Amy is making a statement about the lunacy of having 19 kids and expecting to be able to keep them all safe? In which case, she should have made it clear that she was taking a swing at JB and M, not Jana.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Cinnabon

[Adeejay]

Why isn’t anyone reporting HOW she endangered a child?  Based on what I am seeing, Jana's name is the story headline, but entire story is about Josh. Nothing about Jana. This is so frustrating!

[BitterApple]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I would say a babysitter sleeping at 3pm while responsible for minor children is likely considered reckless. 

Agree, and that's why I think your earlier comment was right. I think Anna lost track of her kid and Jana fell on the sword for her. We already know Anna dodged at least one visit from CPS. I imagine Josh's arrest plus a child endangerment charge would certainly open that can of worms again and maybe the next time, Anna wouldn't have a choice. 

[3 is enough]

Wow.  Amy really is burning all her bridges. Totally understand her anger and disgust with Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh, but that was uncalled for.  She probably knows better than most what kind of load Jana has shouldered since she was very young.

[BitterApple]

42 minutes ago, Call Me Charlie said:

Amy's IG Story might have confirmed what happened with Jana. If she was getting her digs in, this was really passive aggressive of her and uncalled for. Must be nice to have only one child to care for with your mom around all the time to babysit as opposed to, you know, being ordered by your abusive Boob Dad to care for like a dozen kids who aren't even yours. Amy needs to check herself. 

Amy is such an asshole and this is why I never have anything nice to say about her. Here's the thing: kids are kids. The Duggars are stupid and reckless, but even in the most responsible homes, shit happens. Taking shots at Josh over the CSAM is one thing, but trashing her cousin over something that was an honest mistake is so vindictive. And for as much as Amy bitches about Mom-shaming, she's essentially doing the same thing to Jana.

[Absolom]

Amy had better hope she doesn't fall off that high horse she's riding. 

[ElsieEm]

4 hours ago, Adeejay said:

Why isn’t anyone reporting HOW she endangered a child?  Based on what I am seeing, Jana's name is the story headline, but entire story is about Josh. Nothing about Jana. This is so frustrating!

Crimes involving minor children often have the court documents sealed, so it can be tricky to get verifiable details unless someone makes a statement. Publications are just getting any scrap they can at this point. 

Edited December 12, 2021 by ElsieEm

[Cinnabon]

I don’t know why I’ve been thinking about this for the last 30 minutes, but here goes. I think Amy has a LOT of anger and resentment built up toward the whole Duggar family and it’s coming out now (fair or not). JB has treated Deanna and Amy as “less than” his godly family in every way for her entire life. He has taken shots at Deanna’s choices, especially having Amy out of wedlock. He has spoken of the “sins of the father,” insinuating that Amy is somehow tainted. He has spoken of how his own father wasn’t religious enough, and I’m sure he thinks the same of Deanna and Amy. They are simply not as special, godly, and blessed as HIS huge family. Amy has seen how JB treated her grandfather and Grandma Mary. Who knows what details Mary shared with Deanna and Amy during her last few years when she lived with them. Now she finds out how much JB has been hiding all these years, when he has presented his family as superior to most others, and especially Amy’s.  When Mary died, I think we all know that JB tried to take full control of her assets (whether or not he was successful, who knows?) Why the hell would he ask Deanna and Mary to sign NDAs? His own sister and niece? 
 
Are her posts passive aggressive and immature? Yes. Can I understand her a bit for doing it anyway? Yes.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Call Me Charlie said:

Amy's IG Story might have confirmed what happened with Jana. If she was getting her digs in, this was really passive aggressive of her and uncalled for. Must be nice to have only one child to care for with your mom around all the time to babysit as opposed to, you know, being ordered by your abusive Boob Dad to care for like a dozen kids who aren't even yours. Amy needs to check herself. 

What a bitch.

And really Amy, for full effect you should have been watching Home Alone. Karma is coming for you next.

[emmawoodhouse]

Regarding who was at the TTH at the time the child went missing...that was the week the Bontragers held their family camp. The Duggars also took off with the younger kids on that long motorhome trip around that time. So I don't think Jana had much help w/r/t childcare. 

The question remains: where was Anna?

Edited December 11, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[lascuba]

You know how you might have a relative or 10 who annoy the hell of you and you talk shit about all their poor life choices all the time, but if anyone outside the family says something even slightly critical, you immediately defend them because YOU are allowed to insult your family, but no one else is? I feel the opposite with Amy and the Duggars. We, total strangers, are allowed to mock and criticize them, but how dare Amy, a family member, publicly mock them. I'm no Jana fan and have always suspected that she isn't the sweet, put upon spinster aunt everyone thinks, but that little dig of Amy's bothers me. It's not like she knows any more than we do about what happened. 

[Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Regarding who was at the TTH at the time the child went missing...that was the week the Bontragers held their family camp. The Duggars also took off with the younger kids on that long motorhome trip around that time. So I don't think Jana had much help w/r/t childcare. 

The question remains: where was Anna?

Wait - there’s more than one family camp? Good god.

[lascuba]

2 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Don't you all think this whole Child Endangerment citation was really a non event. There could have been lots of reasons a child was wandering alone on a road. But the officer was just so star struck a Duggar was involved, he just issued the citation to take down a Duggar, without looking at other possibilities....

You had me in the first half. 🤣

9 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I don’t know why I’ve been thinking about this for the last 30 minutes, but here goes. I think Amy has a LOT of anger and resentment built up toward the whole Duggar family and it’s coming out now (fair or not). JB has treated Deanna and Amy as “less than” his godly family in every way for her entire life. He has taken shots at Deanna’s choices, especially having Amy out of wedlock. He has spoken of the “sins of the father,” insinuating that Amy is somehow tainted. He has spoken of how his own father wasn’t religious enough, and I’m sure he thinks the same of Deanna and Amy. They are simply not as special, godly, and blessed as HIS huge family. Amy has seen how JB treated her grandfather and Grandma Mary. Who knows what details Mary shared with Deanna and Amy during her last few years when she lived with them. Now she finds out how much JB has been hiding all these years, when he has presented his family as superior to most others, and especially Amy’s.  When Mary died, I think we all know that JB tried to take full control of her assets (whether or not he was successful, who knows?) Why the hell would he ask Deanna and Mary to sign NDAs? His own sister and niece? 
 
Are her posts passive aggressive and immature? Yes. Can I understand her a bit for doing it anyway? Yes.

I see where you're coming from, but if JB has been that awful to them for so long, why were Deanna and Amy so involved with them for so long? They were never financial dependents of JB, as far as I know. If JB was dissing them publicly, it was because they wanted to be in the public eye. If I had a stupidly religious sibling, my interactions with them would be limited to the holidays as long as my parents were alive. 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Wait - there’s more than one family camp? Good god.

The Bont's camp is more singing, crafts, and feats of masculine strength. 😂

Edited December 11, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[Zella]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

feats of male strength. 😂

My heart longs for more information, but my brain tells me I don't really want to know. Lol

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

How rude! I have never had the impression that Jana doesn't care for kids - she's been caring for Duggar kids since she could talk! I don't know what happened that day in September, but I would bet that Amy doesn't know either and this is a cheap shot.

Although she sometimes says or does what I'd call the right thing, cheap shots are, unfortunately, vintage Amy, as far as I can tell.

I don't know why you'd do this. If for no other reason because taking shots in many directions weakens the effectiveness of what you say about the worst things. Nobody cares much about the criticisms of somebody who comes off as an indiscriminate grouch. 

 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, lascuba said:

You had me in the first half. 🤣

I see where you're coming from, but if JB has been that awful to them for so long, why were Deanna and Amy so involved with them for so long? They were never financial dependents of JB, as far as I know. If JB was dissing them publicly, it was because they wanted to be in the public eye. If I had a stupidly religious sibling, my interactions with them would be limited to the holidays as long as my parents were alive. 

For sure, Amy took advantage of their tv spotlight and wanted some for herself. And I’m sure she enjoyed playing and hanging out with all of her cousins, being an only child. But he seemed to still treat her as less than his kids, and even as a “bad influence” at times. All the while, he was hiding what Josh had done. And I’m sure even today, JB is acting as if his family is far superior to Deanna’s and Amy’s . 

Her resentment and anger, now having heard the horrid details, just seems understandable to me. And who knows what Jill has told her. 

[madpsych78]

I agree that Amy's dig at Jana is a bit much, but then I remember that I don't really know anything about the Amy/Jana dynamic. It seems like the only Duggar that Amy has really gotten along with lately has been Jill.

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

My heart longs for more information, but my brain tells me I don't really want to know. Lol

Was Hilaria’s husband there? Because he has been seen in a “straight pride” t-shirt 🤦‍♀️

[Zella]

13 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Was Hilaria’s husband there? Because he has been seen in a “straight pride” t-shirt 🤦‍♀️

He seems like a piece of work. I've still not recovered from that footage of him letting the court door nearly slam in her face from this past week. No wonder she's enchanted with Jed Jason. 

[Cinnabon]

22 minutes ago, Zella said:

He seems like a piece of work. I've still not recovered from that footage of him letting the court door nearly slam in her face from this past week. No wonder she's enchanted with Jed Jason. 

I missed that! What a great catch!

[iwantcookies]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

The Bont's camp is more singing, crafts, and feats of male strength. 😂

My brain goes to x rated situations… help! Off to the prayer closet!

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

My heart longs for more information, but my brain tells me I don't really want to know. Lol

😂 Not to worry, it's mostly arm wrestling, pushups, and carrying of logs. The usual fundie shit. 😁

At any rate, I seem to recall pics of Jackson and Hannie with various Bontragers and Bowers. I think they went on the motorhome trip from there. They weren't that far from Yellowstone and the other places they visited.

[Chicklet]

Uhoh, what do the charges do to Jana's chance for matrimonial happiness? (I kid). Surely no godly man will want her now, she's past her child-bearing prime and has the good luck to be related to Josh. And she's not a man (who should he rape someone they will always find someone to marry like that other guy did).

[Tuxcat]

In Amy's IG live she said she was "a vessel chosen by God to speak." Somehow I don't think God wants her taking cheap shots. She better ask him again what he meant. 

[Tuxcat]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

But he seemed to still treat her as less than his kids, and even as a “bad influence” at times.

He treated his own daughters as "less than" and Amy fully embraced the "bad influence" character. I am sure she's angry, but there are better ways to express yourself. Twitter cheap shots are dumb.

[Angeltoes]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Also, at this point I don't think its been shown that Anna made a habit of dumping her kids excessively, to see Josh.

If she saw him once, that's excessive to me.

[GeeGolly]

Just now, Angeltoes said:

If she saw him once, that's excessive to me.

I hear you. My comment was in response to Miss Balls' rumor that Anna basically dumped her kids to be with Josh all the time. Nothing to do with whether she should or should not be with Josh.

[mimionthebeach]

7 hours ago, lascuba said:

I was just thinking something along these lines. That Jana wasn't the only adult in the house but she took the fall to prevent Michelle or Anna from getting in any trouble. I usually scoff at the "poor, sacrificial Jana" narrative but this seems plausible to me. Anna is going through a lot and was heavily pregnant at the time,  and the entire family dynamic is based on keeping Michelle stress free. 

Not to excuse losing track of a child enough for them to wander off (if that's what happened), but I think the fact they have so many children has made the adults less, not more, vigilant. Kids are resilient, they'll be fine, etc. Plus, when there are multiple adults around, it's easy to get comfortable and assume someone else is keeping watch. This kind of thing probably happens all the time in that house. 

What if Anna had left Johanna and/or Jenni in charge? They didn't notice the little one had got up from her nap and found her way out. Jana is home by the time the police show up and takes the blame to protect her sisters. Just a thought.

[CalicoKitty]

I still find it very interesting that this situation with Janna dropped at this time.  I think (or would hope) that his whole family is under more scrutiny than in the past.  I have a feeling that this situation will not be the last that we hear about.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

I don’t know why I’ve been thinking about this for the last 30 minutes, but here goes. I think Amy has a LOT of anger and resentment built up toward the whole Duggar family and it’s coming out now (fair or not). JB has treated Deanna and Amy as “less than” his godly family in every way for her entire life. He has taken shots at Deanna’s choices, especially having Amy out of wedlock. He has spoken of the “sins of the father,” insinuating that Amy is somehow tainted. He has spoken of how his own father wasn’t religious enough, and I’m sure he thinks the same of Deanna and Amy. They are simply not as special, godly, and blessed as HIS huge family. Amy has seen how JB treated her grandfather and Grandma Mary. Who knows what details Mary shared with Deanna and Amy during her last few years when she lived with them. Now she finds out how much JB has been hiding all these years, when he has presented his family as superior to most others, and especially Amy’s.  When Mary died, I think we all know that JB tried to take full control of her assets (whether or not he was successful, who knows?) Why the hell would he ask Deanna and Mary to sign NDAs? His own sister and niece? 
 
Are her posts passive aggressive and immature? Yes. Can I understand her a bit for doing it anyway? Yes.

I agree. 

I think Amy hangs out with the Duggars, because of Mary when she was alive. Both her mother and her grandmother liked to hang out with the family, particularly Mary. She doesn't have as strong a family identity without them. 

Who knows why Amy is mad at Jana? It could there more inter-cousins fights we don't about. Jana seems to be very fundie, maybe she's looked down on Amy and her upbringing. Maybe Jana is defending Josh? Who Knows?

Yes, Jana is a victim of a cult, but she is also at this point responsible for some of her own actions. Maybe she upholds the cult too much. Being in a cult affects everyone including those cult adjacent like Amy. 

 

[Rabbittron]

Well this is one way to keep the Duggars front and center so we don't forget them. 

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

In Amy's IG live she said she was "a vessel chosen by God to speak." Somehow I don't think God wants her taking cheap shots. She better ask him again what he meant. 

I've said this before and will say it again. I think Amy and Jim Bob actually have very similar personalities. 

[Temperance]

I generally have a favorable opinion of Jana, but she is mostly responsible for the mess she's in. If she agreed to watch a child and that child was in danger, then that's on her. 

Yes, she's been stuck being the babysitter probably forever, but she agreed to watch the child. If harm had actually happened to the child, then she, Jana, would be responsible. It sounds like the kid was fine; just in a dangerous situation.

I have some sympathy for Jana myself, but the charges are real and probably deserved. There is a limit to how much sympathy I can have for Jana in this situation.