S09.E06: Wishful Invitation

[Trooper York]

Hey look. It's Mr. Miyagi's wedding photo.

Cool beans.

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, SnarkKitty said:

 

That ice made me want to vomit. And I'm so sick of seeing the dog shit, and especially how they pick it up with a dry tissue ... AND THAT'S ALL. No cleaning or pet neutralizing spray, no hot water and soap, nothing. Just pick up the shit and leave the vestiges behind.

 

 

And, that is why the dogs continue to poop in the house.  They have marked their territory, and the scent of their poop is there, marking to them as a "safe place".  

It's so disgusting.  All of those area rugs, I'm sure were worth something at some point - now, they're no better than a throw rug from the Dollar Store.

[Lemons]

55 minutes ago, ryebread said:

This is what my husband asks every time I ask him to DVR "my Housewives":  "Why do you care so much?"

His head would freaking explode if he read this forum and realized the stupid stuff every.single.one.of.us cares and talks about.

My husband can't be in the room if I'm watching this show. 

[Trooper York]

The wife and I watch and  laugh our asses off.

Of course we have given up on some of them.

Atlanta and Jersey to be precise. Never started on Melbourne or Potomac or the Atlanta Medical show. 

You have to limit yourself because you can only some much idiocy in your life before it starts to mess you up.

[BBHN]

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If she wasn't trying so hard to lock down that title the first time, she could have waited and planned that fairytale wedding instead of rushing off to City Hall two weeks after meeting her wallet, err... first husband.

Please, that wallet came with a title!

[ryebread]

Just now, Lemons said:

My husband can't be in the room if I'm watching this show. 

Mine, neither.  That's why I DVR every episode and watch it either after he's gone to bed or the next morning after he's gone to work.  Mr. Ryebread is a kind and generous man.  But one thing he's never gonna do is sit and watch the Hos with me.  Well, maybe if it was my last request on my deathbed.  Maybe.

[Lemons]

4 hours ago, jinjer said:

I don't think that disagreeing with Bethenny about going through Bryn's things and discarding them without is people "going crazy" about it. Different parenting strokes for different folks. But I have to question Bethenny's motive for doing it because it seemed just like an excuse to film there and talk about Bryn, as others have mentioned, because Bryn's room is so neat and nearly empty, there is nothing out of place and nothing on the floor.  

She made a point of talking about her daughter's new American Doll stuff that was in a plastic bag. She wanted them organized so that the little pieces get lost. That American Doll paraphernalia mutiplies overnight and there are always lost shoes  

When you live in a city apartment you constantly have to weed out unnecessary items, things you don't use anymore and items and clothes your kids have outgrown. 

[Trooper York]

3 minutes ago, Lemons said:

When you live in a city apartment you constantly have to weed out unnecessary items, things you don't use anymore

I know right. That's why she got rid of Bynn's father.

[njbchlover]

31 minutes ago, Lemons said:

My husband can't be in the room if I'm watching this show. 

Mine, either...he just doesn't get it!!  ;-)  

He's actually kind of okay with NY and BH - he cannot stand Atlanta (I'm with him at this point)!!

[Chit Chat]

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Can we talk about how bad of a driver that dog was?

My pet peeve are things like this.  Just because the owner of the dog thinks it's cute to take their dog out to a crowded sidewalk and let them "drive around," doesn't mean everybody else feels the same way.  It's a safety hazard to the dog, and to the people around him.   I've noticed that more and more people like to take their dogs to local stores (where it is indicated that only seeing dogs are allowed).  I don't want to have to look out for dog shit while I'm shopping in the garden department of Lowes just because somebody thought it would be a cute idea to bring said pet to mingle.  Please, take them to Pet Smart to do that!!   

[KungFuBunny]

steelcitysister - that fork is SOOO going into Sonja's Sharpied Shanel bag

Edited May 12, 2017 by KungFuBunny

[Trooper York]

That Bethenny is one classy dame!

[KungFuBunny]

Didn't Ramona say this to Bethenny at Jue Lan?

[Trooper York]

Didn't Bethenny say this to Bynn when she came home after visiting her dad?

 

[lezlers]

6 hours ago, jinjer said:

I don't think that disagreeing with Bethenny about going through Bryn's things and discarding them without is people "going crazy" about it. Different parenting strokes for different folks. But I have to question Bethenny's motive for doing it because it seemed just like an excuse to film there and talk about Bryn, as others have mentioned, because Bryn's room is so neat and nearly empty, there is nothing out of place and nothing on the floor.  

I don't see what the issue is even if that were the case, though.  We all know Jason won't let Brynn be filmed for the show (which is likely just another way for him to stick it to her, but regardless of his motivations the ultimate choice to not have her filmed is probably for the best) so that scene was likely one of the few ways to show that on top of being a busy businesswoman, she's a mother as well.  Hell, if that scene wasn't shown the same posters slamming her for being a controlling OCD bitch would be slamming her for being a totally hands off, uninvolved mom who never sees her kid.   Beth is such a polarizing person, she really is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't most of the time.

6 hours ago, teapot said:

My sister's twins live in what looks like a gigantic toy store.  If she didn't do the "toss when they're in bed" method we'd probably never see or hear from them again.

Right??  My kids are super spoiled.  They have two sets of grandparents who see them every week and more often than not, bring them gifts every time they see them.  Christmas and birthdays in our house look like Toys R Us exploded.  If we never purged anything on a regular basis, we'd be swimming in toys.  And forget about getting them involved or giving them a say.  That would be a goddamn disaster.  The general rule is: if I haven't seen them play with it at least once in the past 3 months, it gets put away.  And that's not to say we don't keep certain keepsakes.  Of COURSE we do.  They'll still have plenty of special things with special memories attached to them put in a chest for them to always have.  But that spiderman action figure you played with all of 4 times and then totally forgot existed?  That shit is going away when you're asleep, kid.  

Guess my kids are going to have to undergo years of therapy to get over my controlling, OCD bitch ways.

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I don't see what the issue is even if that were the case, though.  We all know Jason won't let Brynn be filmed for the show (which is likely just another way for him to stick it to her, but regardless of his motivations the ultimate choice to not have her filmed is probably for the best) so that scene was likely one of the few ways to show that on top of being a busy businesswoman, she's a mother as well.  Hell, if that scene wasn't shown the same posters slamming her for being a controlling OCD bitch would be slamming her for being a totally hands off, uninvolved mom who never sees her kid.   Beth is such a polarizing person, she really is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't most of the time.

Bethenny has said she doesn't think she would agree to have Bryn filmed.  I know what she is trying to do and it is okay but it feels kind of forced.  She has her days with her child and the days she films.  She has made it clear since she returned her priority is with her daughter and filming is secondary.  Doesn't bother me a bit she doesn't have her daughter on.  I still know she is amom who loves her daughter.

[Lisin]

Guys, please please please stop nit-picking each other. You don't have to agree, but you also need to remember you're not going to "win" this argument or change anyone's mind here. Some people agree with how Bethenney cleaned stuff, some people don't. Please stop attacking each other about it. Posts have been hidden and if you can't civilly disagree with each other warnings are next. Thanks. 

[AttackTurtle]

We really know very little about Bethenny as a mother, but I remember being pregnant at the same time as she & I remember thinking, "she really wants this baby".     I have seen nothing from Bethenny to indicate that she is anything but a loving mom.  And as I said before if purging junk and old toys from her kid's room makes her a bad mom, then lump me in with her. 

[KungFuBunny]

The cemetery scene.

Doesn't Dorinda explain the reason John is not there is because he wasn't invited and she wanted it to be a family affair?

Then in drove Carole....

I mean I get that it would be strange for John to be there as she's still in love with her husband

[booboopbedoo]

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That Bethenny is one classy dame!

She has become a horrible bully! Full of herself,rude and nasty. Her face is so tight she looks like the Borg Queen.

[Martinigirl]

I really like Bethenny. I love her come backs!!!. I wish I could think that quick on my feet. It would come in so handy with my out-laws. :). 

[KungFuBunny]

Just now, Martinigirl said:

I really like Bethenny. I love her come backs!!!. I wish I could think that quick on my feet. It would come in so handy with my out-laws. :). 

When Ramona brought up the film/nudity how is Brynn handling it, this is how Bethenny should have responded:

You know the subject hasn't come up but since you have experience with this kind of thing what words of wisdom can you impart?

When Ramona says what are you talking about I never did soft porn.

Bethenny should say how did Avery handle the kids making fun of her when the episode of you oiling down Mario aired? You were wearing lingerie and he was topless. She was how old 12? You know kids talk about these things in school

[Jezebel97]

2 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

When Ramona brought up the film/nudity how is Brynn handling it, this is how Bethenny should have responded:

You know the subject hasn't come up but since you have experience with this kind of thing what words of wisdom can you impart?

When Ramona says what are you talking about I never did soft porn.

Bethenny should say how did Avery handle the kids making fun of her when the episode of you oiling down Mario aired? You were wearing lingerie and he was topless. She was how old 12? You know kids talk about these things in school

As fucked up as Bethenny can get, I don't expect her to bring Avery's name up.

I got the impression that these ladies had an agreement to keep each other's kids' names out of their mouths.   

 It goes back several years ago when Ramona re-tweeted a video of Victoria rolling a joint & saying the N word & then Ramona deleted it after some backlash.  Ramona has always been a shithead since Season 1

[Martinigirl]

In all fairness to Ramona....it was already out there.

\Having said that.....

Ramona's delivery sucked balls!

Edited May 13, 2017 by Martinigirl

[KungFuBunny]

1 minute ago, Martinigirl said:

In all fairness to Ramona....it was already out there. Having said that.....

Ramona's delivery sucks balls!

Ramona - I still love her - I was sad she didn't make me laugh this episode.

She is sooo being set up by both Dorinda and Luanne to go at Bethenny.

[Martinigirl]

3 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Ramona - I still love her - I was sad she didn't make me laugh this episode.

She is sooo being set up by both Dorinda and Luanne to go at Bethenny.

Interesting. 

WOW! That thought never crossed my mind. Now that you mention it, Dorinda did start stirring shit with Bethenny and Jules. Hmmmmmmmm........

[KungFuBunny]

15 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Interesting. 

WOW! That thought never crossed my mind. Now that you mention it, Dorinda did start stirring shit with Bethenny and Jules. Hmmmmmmmm........

My theory has always been that when the HW's fight - it gets out of control because even though they may be speaking things out loud on one specific subject they are really fighting about past resentments.

When Ramona called Dorinda to thank her for her birthday party - Dorinda did say, I thought Bethenny was wrong for not coming to your party and if she doesn't call you to wish you a happy birthday - what does that mean? You have to make a decision.  Those are not the words of a mutual friend trying to get the fighting friends to "make up".

Dorinda's motivation is she's still pissed at Bethenny for the coke talk at the reunion.

At Jue Lan, Ramona goes up to Luanne to talk about the Bethenny fight. Luanne reminds Ramona that Bethenny walked off in a huff.

Luanne's motivation is she's still pissed about the Regency debacle.

Neither Dorinda nor Luanne said to Ramona - the issue is you brought up Brynn.

Oh yeah, they are setting her up - some sniper from the side stuff

Edited May 13, 2017 by KungFuBunny

[Martinigirl]

Ohhhhhhh! Good catch!

Yes! Yes! Yes! The child would be the first thing i would point out to a friend asking why she was wrong.  Sonja was the only to bring up "the five year old".

[jaync]

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Bethenny doesn't need the job. 

She needs it to some degree, or else she wouldn't have come back. Doing the show because one's an insatiable famewhore is no less unbecoming than doing it to pay the bills.

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Brynn has no room, no toys, no anything.

She's the richest orphan in Manhattan!

[Martinigirl]

3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Didn't Ramona say this to Bethenny at Jue Lan?

There must be a bad batch of gummy bears being sold on the NYC streets

[QuinnM]

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  Sonja was the only to bring up "the five year old".

And Sonja noted in her TH that Ramona was so good at spin that she had her believing it was from a caring place as a dear friend of Bethenny.  Sonja then eye rolls.  And if I needed to pick a side it wouldn't be that snake Luann. She and Dorinda will hang Ramona out to dry at the first sign of trouble. 

I'm rooting for that perineal little engine that could, Sonja.  

[SFoster21]

18 hours ago, BBHN said:

On this site, it's more bitch eating popcorn ;)

God, she's gorgeous! Always a fan, B.

[breezy424]

It's 2017.  Lu can wear whatever color she wants or whatever bridal gown she wants for her wedding.  Gone are the days that a woman is supposed to wear off white for a second or even third, etc. wedding.  And heck, wasn't 'white' a symbol of virginity.  How many brides lied about that wearing that white gown down the aisle.  She didn't have the 'big' first wedding.  So what she is over fifty.  Tom has never been married before.  It's their party and they can do what they want to.  If I go to a wedding, what the bride is wearing is my least concern.  Food and music are my priorities, and fun guests.

Yeah, inviting Sonja to the shower or bachelorette party and not the wedding was tacky.  But then again, did Lu control the invitation list.  I don't know.

[bravofan27]

Bethanny is very calculated. I think the stuff she threw out was stuff her dad bought or his family. And she wanted it filmed to hurt him. I don't think she would have thrown away anything of Brynn's that she purchased. That way, when Brynn grows up she will only have toys her mom got her, and nothing from her dad. Bethanny loves wars more than she likes to get along. 

[SnarkKitty]

9 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

It's 2017.  Lu can wear whatever color she wants or whatever bridal gown she wants for her wedding.  Gone are the days that a woman is supposed to wear off white for a second or even third, etc. wedding.  And heck, wasn't 'white' a symbol of virginity.  How many brides lied about that wearing that white gown down the aisle.  She didn't have the 'big' first wedding.  So what she is over fifty.  Tom has never been married before.  It's their party and they can do what they want to.  If I go to a wedding, what the bride is wearing is my least concern.  Food and music are my priorities, and fun guests.

Yeah, inviting Sonja to the shower or bachelorette party and not the wedding was tacky.  But then again, did Lu control the invitation list.  I don't know.

Weellll.... since neither I nor Ramona was invited to the wedding, I'm free to make it my biggest concern.  

She gets to be tacky, I get to judge her for it. Seems like a fair trade off to me. And if it weren't her getting married, the Countess would be sitting right next to me talking shit. Hell, she'd beat ME to the punch, the first one tsk-tsking them for trying to jump on a ship that has sailed. It might not be your mother's 50 anymore, but there are just some things grizzled old birds should leave to the spring chickens. But when they don't ... TWoP. 

[SFoster21]

Apparently, Dorinda was in a white dress and veil for her wedding to Richard, so it ain't that strange in their circle.

I watched the show and saw Carole say one incredibly vague thing about B's probs with her ex.  She didn't even say "Jason."  SMH.

31 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Bethanny is very calculated. I think the stuff she threw out was stuff her dad bought or his family. And she wanted it filmed to hurt him. I don't think she would have thrown away anything of Brynn's that she purchased. That way, when Brynn grows up she will only have toys her mom got her, and nothing from her dad. Bethanny loves wars more than she likes to get along. 

The child presumably has a room where her dad resides.  He's free to purge there.  How can B throw out everything he's purchased?  Strains credulity, these types of remarks.

[Misslindsey]

56 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Bethanny is very calculated. I think the stuff she threw out was stuff her dad bought or his family. And she wanted it filmed to hurt him. I don't think she would have thrown away anything of Brynn's that she purchased. That way, when Brynn grows up she will only have toys her mom got her, and nothing from her dad. Bethanny loves wars more than she likes to get along. 

I would assume that most of the stuff Jason or his family has bought Brynn would be at his place. Haven't Bethenny and Jason been separated longer in Brynn's lifetime than actually together? How old was Brynn when Jason and Bethenny separated? I would think most of the toys and stuff Brynn had then she outgrew. When I think of my nieces, the stuff they are playing with at 6 and 7 years old is quite different than the stuff they were playing with at 1 and 2 years of age. This is all an assumption, so I could be very wrong.

I did enjoy seeing all the women together at the bar. I do not mind the small groups or one on one's, but I do enjoy them in a group even though it did not last long.

I do not mind Lu wearing a wedding dress or having a big wedding. My mom has a few friends that did the same thing, because like Lu, they did not have it the first go around. My mom was sixty years old and a bridesmaid, so none of that bothered me either. To each their own.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Misslindsey

[Inspectabecky]

16 hours ago, LIMOM said:

A big reason why people goes in  on Luann is because she proclaimed herself the Comtesse of Etiquette, imo.

And therefore, should be aware that second times around brides,  do not get to wear white according to her OWN standards.

Of course those antiquated standards do not apply to her...

Well as she pointed out, hilariously, in the S4 reunion, she doesn't address wedding attire in her book. They were arguing about alex wearing cream to a wedding and citing emily post.

[BBHN]

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Hell, if that scene wasn't shown the same posters slamming her for being a controlling OCD bitch would be slamming her for being a totally hands off, uninvolved mom who never sees her kid.   Beth is such a polarizing person, she really is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't most of the time.

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My theory has always been that when the HW's fight - it gets out of control because even though they may be speaking things out loud on one specific subject they are really fighting about past resentments.

When Ramona called Dorinda to thank her for her birthday party - Dorinda did say, I thought Bethenny was wrong for not coming to your party and if she doesn't call you to wish you a happy birthday - what does that mean? You have to make a decision.  Those are not the words of a mutual friend trying to get the fighting friends to "make up".

Dorinda's motivation is she's still pissed at Bethenny for the coke talk at the reunion.

At Jue Lan, Ramona goes up to Luanne to talk about the Bethenny fight. Luanne reminds Ramona that Bethenny walked off in a huff.

Luanne's motivation is she's still pissed about the Regency debacle.

Neither Dorinda nor Luanne said to Ramona - the issue is you brought up Brynn.

Oh yeah, they are setting her up - some sniper from the side stuff

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Bethanny is very calculated. I think the stuff she threw out was stuff her dad bought or his family. And she wanted it filmed to hurt him. I don't think she would have thrown away anything of Brynn's that she purchased. That way, when Brynn grows up she will only have toys her mom got her, and nothing from her dad. Bethanny loves wars more than she likes to get along. 

What @Misslindsey and @SFoster21 already said. I'm sure Brynn has a ton of stuff Jason bought for her at his place.

Edited May 13, 2017 by BBHN

[lasandi]

4 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

When Ramona brought up the film/nudity how is Brynn handling it, this is how Bethenny should have responded:

You know the subject hasn't come up but since you have experience with this kind of thing what words of wisdom can you impart?

When Ramona says what are you talking about I never did soft porn.

Bethenny should say how did Avery handle the kids making fun of her when the episode of you oiling down Mario aired? You were wearing lingerie and he was topless. She was how old 12? You know kids talk about these things in school

I think Bethenny did say something about Diane Sawyer approaching Brynn which made me laugh.  We all know Ramona brought up soft porn and  6 year old Brynn in the same sentence to cause a reaction.   I truly believe Bethenny would not have had a problem with Ramona mentioning it if her daughter's name wasn't put in.  Ramona knows damn well no one is approaching a 6 year old about some long ago half naked movie her mom was in.  Since Ramona has no storyline she is trying to create one.  Let's get Bethenny to go off on me like she went off on Luanne which will keep people talking and my name in the press.  Well we are talking alright that she sounds like a loon these days.  Although I wanted to see Bethenny light into her, I am glad Bethenny walked out.  Don't give Ramona what she clearly wants.  Not yet anyway.  

[queenjen]

9 hours ago, Lemons said:

My husband can't be in the room if I'm watching this show. 

this is how we know we are doing it right

[ScoobieDoobs]

On 5/11/2017 at 8:20 PM, lezlers said:

I don't get this argument.   So because Beth lost her cool last season and went off on Luanne, that means she's supposed to just sit there and take verbal abuse from Ramona this season about something totally unrelated?  Why?  Ramona is just trying to get a reaction out of Bethanny.  The very best (and most mature) way to deal with it is to not give her the satisfaction.  I can't imagine that in every day life, if someone was being insulting towards you and obviously trying to start a fight with you, that anyone would give you grief because you walked away and didn't engage.  In fact, most people would applaud you for your self restraint.  

I get why she walked away from Moaner, but the scene was disappointing to me.  Bethenny saying to Moaner, "I don't like the way you're speaking to me" didn't make any sense to me.  In that scene, Moaner wasn't exactly saying anything insulting to her, she was just babbling insincere bullshit & trying to get a rise outta her.  

I really wish Bethenny had just turned to Moaner & simply said, "Listen bitch, I don't know what bullshit you're babbling about, but the bottom line is I'm really pissed at you.  I was & still am extremely offended by your ridiculous questions involving my daughter.'  Easy-peezy.  No need for yelling & screaming or name-calling (OK, maybe one name).  And then she could have walked away.

I'm honestly sorta puzzled that I find myself mostly siding with Bethenny this season.  OK, she managed to get a Jason jab in -- uh, thru Carole, that is.  I fully believe she planned that one out with Carole.  But given the shit Jason is clearly pulling, that's OK by me.  Especially cuz it was a short momentary jab.  And as far as Moaner (of all people!!!!) saying Bethenny can give it, but she can't take it?  That's just not true.  One only need to go back to the Brooklyn Bridge for one of the most awful & most memorable scenes from ANY Housewives show, where Moaner brutally slaughtered Bethenny -- and she definitely did take it.

No, Moaner, Bethenny has taken a lot of shit in the past, and she clearly understands it's merely part of being associated with the show.  Is she walking away from Moaner (now for the second time this season) because "she can't take it", as Moaner asserts?  Or because she thinks she's above Moaner poking at her?  Or is it that she just has no patience anymore after all these years of Moaner & her non-stop insulting bullshit?  Well, whatever the reason, I hope she quits running away from Moaner.  And I hope this is NOT going to be the shtick this season.  I'd rather Bethenny just quickly & easily put da bitch in her place!

Edited May 13, 2017 by ScoobieDoobs

[LIMOM]

7 hours ago, SFoster21 said:

God, she's gorgeous! Always a fan, B.

Time for your annual appointment at LensCrafters... j/k

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 5/11/2017 at 5:07 PM, ryebread said:

Me, neither.  I can't unsee how she snarled at Sonja, "What off Broadway play?  It was a disgusting play."

I've never thought her attractive but when she said, "disgusting", her lips curled down and she bared her teeth.  As ugly outside as I reckon she is on the inside.  She was scary and I felt sorry for anyone else in her life who's been on the receiving end of that spittle-spewing angry mouth.

She has a truly ugly side to her personality. How does her mother NOT help her reign that in?

Shallow comment: I wish she would do something about her teeth. Her two front teeth are beautiful, but the two teeth adjacent are so tiny. And then the next two adjacent teeth are a nice size. So when she goes off on her, "back that shit up" rampage, it looks especially unattractive.  

[Former Nun]

10 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

 I'd rather Bethenny just quickly & easily put da bitch in her place!

It would definitely be watchable, but there are SO MANY Bethenny haters out here, that I was happy to see her take the high road.  We all know Bethenny could have sliced Ramona to ribbons with a few well chosen words.  I applaud Bethenny's restraint.   Still, there are those on this forum who believe she can dish it but can't take it.

[Former Nun]

11 hours ago, lasandi said:

Ramona knows damn well no one is approaching a 6 year old about some long ago half naked movie her mom was in.

I'm not so sure.  Didn't someone say, "She's five!"?   Then Ramona defended herself by saying she's six.  If no one else with a brain would approach a six-year-old on that topic, I believe Ramona would.

[Trooper York]

13 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I would assume that most of the stuff Jason or his family has bought Brynn would be at his place.

I think this is true. Which is not going to work out so good for Bethenny.

Brynn will be upset because her Mommy Dearest will be throwing out her stuff while rummaging through her room with the people she pays to be her friend. Having her personal stuff be grist for the mill for the reality show fame whoredom of her mother.

All of her treasures that her Daddy bought her will be in her room at her Dads or at her Grandma's where she can have a hot dog or a soda or a piece of cake like a normal kid.

It is not going to work out so well for Bethenny. Maybe at the next Bravo barbecue she can chat with Tamara to talk about how it worked out for her with her daughter.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[TheMole]

19 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

steelcitysister - that fork is SOOO going into Sonja's Sharpied Shanel bag

And you know she always takes pens. Sometimes without asking.

[ScoobieDoobs]

1 hour ago, Former Nun said:

It would definitely be watchable, but there are SO MANY Bethenny haters out here, that I was happy to see her take the high road.  We all know Bethenny could have sliced Ramona to ribbons with a few well chosen words.  I applaud Bethenny's restraint.   Still, there are those on this forum who believe she can dish it but can't take it.

Well, that wasn't my point.  One thing that's really great about Bethenny is she can defend (and handle) herself in such an admirably calm & articulate way when put on the spot -- and in a way most of us wish we could when put on the spot.  I mean, she handled herself in such a memorable way against Kells in that awful "I'm up here, you're down there" moment.  But that's only one example.  She's done it many times.

Now, we know Bethenny holds grudges forever & ever & ever.  But that Brooklyn Bridge shit?  Man, I don't blame her one bit for holding a grudge against Moaner about that horrible shit.  That's burned in my brain forever & I wasn't even the target of it.  She didn't slam Moaner back for it at the time & really never did since.  So Moaner has a Bethenny blast coming.  She deserves it.  Would it be entertaining too?  Of course.  She's getting her big Bravo dough, quite frankly I feel she owes it to us, as well as to herself.  Lu didn't especially deserve the screaming/screeching tirade of names shooting at her.  Moaner does deserve it.  But Bethenny is in a different place this season.  She says she's calmer & she clearly is.

My hunch is Bethenny is not running away from Moaner cuz she's taking the high road.  Bethenny?  Taking the high road?  Uh, no.  I think she's just tired of Moaner's thoughtless insulting bullshit.  Who wouldn't be?  I don't get how Moaner has any friends.

Getting back to why I think Bethenny should just take Moaner down -- but in a calm way, rather than the screaming/screeching loon of last season.  I mean, forget about the entertainment value for us (er, not too much), by running away from Moaner, Bethenny is looking like she can't take it.  Beyond that, I'd like to see Bethenny articulate how what Moaner says & does is just is wrong & hurtful -- and merely saying Moaner is a "bad person" doesn't cut it.  I know Bethenny is quite capable of doing this.  She needs to do this.  Even in her convo with Carole, she didn't really do that.  So what happened?  It kinda looked like she was the thoughtless one by not showing up to Moaner's 60th party.  Uh, what the what?  Clearly, that makes no sense, but that's what it ending up looking like.

By running away from Moaner, in the end, Moaner wins.  She had the last word, not Bethenny.  This running away routine is not working to her benefit.  It rarely does.  Look, I get the avoidance & I'd probably do the same.  But she should stop running away from her.  It doesn't even seem like her style.

Edited May 13, 2017 by ScoobieDoobs

[TheMole]

17 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Ramona - I still love her - I was sad she didn't make me laugh this episode.

She is sooo being set up by both Dorinda and Luanne to go at Bethenny.

Dorinda wasn't that bothered with Bethenny about the reunion, she maintained she doesn't do coke and B was going for John there. She just didn't trust her. I don't think she was quick to jump in and day kids are off limits then because maybe she felt why defend her? 

Ramona has flimsy storylines - her renovated apartment, her renovated face and talking about her dates. Every season she has a target or two and this year it's Bethenny. IMHO because it's similar to past behavior I don't think provocation is needed.