S04.E02: Roamin' Holiday

[OnceSane]

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Cameran gets a sneak peek at motherhood; Kathryn's trip to Malibu, Calif., proves to be more than just sunbathing and surfing; Shep confronts Craig about the nature of his legal career; Thomas realizes he needs a stepmother for his children.

[slowpoked]

Preview clip:

http://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-4/episode-2/videos/cameran-plays-matchmaker

[slowpoked]

Another preview clip:

http://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-4/episode-2/videos/kathryn-opens-up-about-rehab

This clip is especially jarring, considering what we all know now in present time.

[Bronzedog]

Does Cameran think her husband only married her because he had no other option?

[Sai]

9 hours ago, slowpoked said:

Another preview clip:

http://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-4/episode-2/videos/kathryn-opens-up-about-rehab

This clip is especially jarring, considering what we all know now in present time.

What do we know now in present time?  I don't know anything.  How do I find out?

Man, Landon needs to do something with her hair.  It looked terrible at her event.  No style to it at all.  Kathryn's hair looked awesome in her scene, as always.  I still wanna know what we all know now in present time about her, lol

[ExplainItAgain]

Landon's voice is so, so grating. So her launch party was just a mixer with a laptop in the corner?

[slowpoked]

Just now, Sai said:

What do we know now in present time?  I don't know anything.  How do I find out?

Man, Landon needs to do something with her hair.  It looked terrible at her event.  No style to it at all.  Kathryn's hair looked awesome in her scene, as always.  I still wanna know what we all know now in present time about her, lol

It's discussed heavily in the previous episode thread. Court docs about Kathryn multiple drug tests failures, missed court appearances, currently using drugs, etc.

[bosawks]

Shep does have a job.  Apparently it's as the town crier.

[Neurochick]

I thought Craig and Gizmo were adorable together.

If Kathryn wants to get sober and have a relationship with her children, she needs to get off reality TV.  

The problem with Landon is she's 35 and acts like she's 12.  Come to think of it, so does Thomas, so maybe they are made for each other.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Neurochick

[Chicklet]

Landon seemed to have taken her voice down a few levels of screech but still needs work. As does her hair and her "work ethic".

Did anything else happen?

[Sai]

5 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

It's discussed heavily in the previous episode thread. Court docs about Kathryn multiple drug tests failures, missed court appearances, currently using drugs, etc.

Oh, ok.  That's a shame.  But thanks for filling me in!

Edited April 11, 2017 by Sai

[Primetimer]

No one wants Shep's help, or knows they're on TV.

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[iloveit]

Kathryn's scene was sad. Danni seems like a good friend with an amazing house.

Jennifer was funny with her fat, getting thinner, the old you comment. She seems very happy. Idk what her deal is but she seems nice?

shep Craig enough already zzzzzzzzz

craig and Gizmo LOl. It wil be interesting to hear Naomi's talking heads this season.

if I were Chelsea, I'd be annoyed with Cameron's prodding about Shep. Who would want their friend to date Shep anyway?

I believe the story about Landon and the investors. She is awful. She had a party to critique her sight and then gets mad when someone offers her constructive criticism.

what the fk was the deal with Daisy? Lol more Daisy  please.

Edited April 11, 2017 by iloveit

[annewithaneee]

After watching all of the previous seasons, I have no plans to continue watching this week to week, because there's a lot that genuinely troubles me about this show but not in an entertaining, Crazy Island way. The Kathryn stuff, and Thomas's presence in general, continue to be really dark and depressing but the show overall is so boring.

I think I'm figuring out what's been bugging me about the show entertainment-wise: the participation is so uneven. It's like a southern Vanderpump Rules, except 80% of the cast are Sandoval and Ariana -- shit-talkers who think they're above it all and are, compared to the rest of the cast, guarded and overly conscious of how they'll come across. It doesn't make for remotely interesting television! Cameran, Shep, and Whitney have spent at least two seasons now having no real storyline other than having scenes looking down their noses at their other castmates who are allowing the cameras in. They either have incredibly boring inner lives, or can't/won't show any of it. They're not pulling their weight; on any Housewives show they'd be "friends of" at best, but here they're the main cast and are likely to stick around for the show's entire duration. 

Also, we completely lack a competent Greek chorus, which I feel like is essential for these kinds of shows. I mean, Cameran does it a little, but no one has ever satisfyingly called Thomas out for being a drunken fucking creeper. Instead, he gets fawned over for being a father to his kids, and no one makes a single snarky comment about said children being raised in the guest house by live-in help. The editors are doing all the legwork on that, with musical cues -- we need someone actually speaking to the audience about these things. Maybe it's the downside of having a cast made up of both men and women; the women seem to crave the guys' approval and won't make waves with them as much as humanly possible. It's gross, and super boring.

[TexasGal]

"When I act bitchy they call me a bitch."  Ummmm...

[zenme]

Landon looks haggard compared to the other girls, and that includes a drug addled Kathryn.  

I actually liked Jennifer today. In the past she seemed like a try hard for someone reason.  I really feel like I saw she's a good egg. Also, motherhood agrees with her. This subdued makeup and style were much more flattering than seasons past.

[ivygirl]

Gizmo in the cart was the best thing I've seen on this show in a long time. Thanks for the screen cap in the recap, PTV!

[Sun-Bun]

Wow...what a boring episode. Like really, really slowwwww...when the most exciting thing that happens is a baby visit, soul-searching from post-Promises Kathryn, and Craig carting around a cat in a wagon, you have to wonder where exactly the show is planning to go from here.

I'm mildly curious about Whitney's giggly British "escort" Daisy though---she seems to be another one of his wackier female social stragglers a'la S1's Jenna that he's testing out on this crew. That likely doesn't bode well for her, of course.

I'm depressed to see Craig wasting his prime years away laying around the house talking to Gizmo. Turns out the guy really is as lazy as everyone else believes he is.

Turns out Landon is every bit as bitchy as most of us believes she is too. Where is this mysterious site of hers though? Did it ever materialize or was it just created for that sad little reception??

So according to the preview for next week, Mom of the Year Kathryn wants to go back into modeling. Because of course she does. Seriously, what else does she have going on beyond her looks? Because her sparking personality obviously ain't helping her cause....

[AttackTurtle]

Arghhhh Landon is annoying.  I find nothing entertaining about her.  

Jennifer seemed very happy & I really hope the show doesn't let Kathryn get away with how badly she's treated Jennifer.  I can't imagine knowing my unborn child was going to immediately have to undergo brain surgery after he was born.  That anyone would be anything but supportive of a new mom in that situation really lacks all common decency. 

I really don't need to see Kathryn on my t.v. screen.  Perhaps if enough people tell Bravo that they FF thru Kathryn's scenes, they will let her go and cut off the Bravo drug fund.  

I don't disagree with Shep about Craig, but if wants to be friends with Craig, he needs to let his anger about Craig lying about graduating law school go.  I think Naomi is quite capable of putting Craig in his place anyways.  

Shep is a trust fund baby, but in the last couple seasons, we've seen him work on an investment property and hanging out in one of two bars he's a partner in owning.  That's a bit more than we've seen of Craig, Thomas, Whitney, Landon, etc.... I don't count Craig's moment of playing "Boubon Producer" with JD as work.  Craig's job is and has been this show.

[Mojoker]

In the event of war, Landon's voice could be weaponized to deadly effect.

[Mojoker]

Wow...what a boring episode. Like really, really slowwwww...when the most exciting thing that happens is a baby visit, soul-searching from post-Promises Kathryn, and Craig carting around a cat in a wagon, you have to wonder where exactly the show is planning to go from here.

I'm mildly curious about Whitney's giggly British "escort" Daisy though---she seems to be another one of his wackier female social stragglers a'la S1's Jenna that he's testing out on this crew. That likely doesn't bode well for her, of course.

I'm depressed to see Craig wasting his prime years away laying around the house talking to Gizmo. Turns out the guy really is as lazy as everyone else believes he is.

Turns out Landon is every bit as bitchy as most of us believes she is too. Where is this mysterious site of hers though? Did it ever materialize or was it just created for that sad little reception??

So according to the preview for next week, Mom of the Year Kathryn wants to go back into modeling. Because of course she does. Seriously, what else does she have going on beyond her looks? Because her sparking personality obviously ain't helping her cause....

This is what I got when I tried to visit Landon's website:

This site can’t be reached

www.roam-guide.com’s server DNS address could not be found.

However, there is an unrelated website called roam.com which seems to be someone's vacation snaps. It's not bad at all.

[msgxoxo]

Lol Craig and Gizmo were so cute! Rolling him around in a cart thing and then annoying Gizmo while he cleans himself lol all while being allergic to cats. It was cute. I like Craig even though he's taking forever to actually do anything. I feel bad for Naomi though because my ex was just like him and I eventually broke up with my ex because I spent so much time pushing him to do anything I felt like his mom. You can only take so much of that before you just don't look at the guy the same anymore. Hopefully Craig doesn't waste too much time and lets that happen. 

Landon really did look like a hot mess. Wtf is up with that hair it's like she just drove on the freeway in a convertible with the top down lol and that big ugly statement necklace thing. Not attractive. And that whole website she's so proud of but the content was all done by her "partner"? And it's not like Landon designed the website herself.. so what exactly did she do? Was it just her idea? It's 2017 she should've been thinking of an app to create not a website. 

I also do not find Shep attractive or very charming either. I like this new guy they brought in and want to see more of him. He always seems slightly annoyed by Shep. Like Shep thinks they're competing when really Shep is just turning into a Thomas lol. Getting a little too old for this fun bachelor persona he has. 

[biakbiak]

9 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

This is what I got when I tried to visit Landon's website:

This site can’t be reached

www.roam-guide.com’s server DNS address could not be found.

However, there is an unrelated website called roam.com which seems to be someone's vacation snaps. It's not bad at all.

That's the old website. Here is the new one which is still lacking content but exists.

[Bronzedog]

Shep is really blowing his good ole boy, easygoing persona.  He's more of a judgmental grandma this season.

[Mojoker]

5 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

That's the old website. Here is the new one which is still lacking content but exists.

So it's no longer Roam?  What a waste of all that free marketing she did on the episode tonight!

[Lola43]

I missed the first 40 minutes. What did Landon do in Nantucket?

[Sun-Bun]

1 minute ago, Lola43 said:

I missed the first 40 minutes. What did Landon do in Nantucket?

Apparently promote her stupid website idea to potential financial backers while acting like a tacky nouveau riche diva who claimed she "doesn't hang out with millionaires, she hangs out with billionaires"! Because when she acts bitchy people think she's a bitch.

[Lola43]

1 minute ago, Sun-Bun said:

Apparently promote her stupid website idea to potential financial backers while acting like a tacky nouveau riche diva who claimed she "doesn't hang out with millionaires, she hangs out with billionaires"! Because when she acts bitchy people think she's a bitch.

Thanks! I can go to sleep now.

[annewithaneee]

16 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

22 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

That's the old website. Here is the new one which is still lacking content but exists.

So it's no longer Roam?  What a waste of all that free marketing she did on the episode tonight!

That site is a whole lot of "what???". First of all, yeah, why let the domain you knew you'd be plugging on the show die to buy a new one with a name that makes even less sense? And though I'm loathe to give her any clicks, the living site is ugly and devoid of any effort at all. I don't even...understand why it exists? Most reality "stars" who would bother making a lifestyle blog (which this appears to be, with a half-assed travel focus) would whore themselves out for brand deals. The "Spring Beauty Essentials" slideshow has like two sentences of the most generic copy per slide, each of which is an uncredited stock photo of some sort, and links to a beauty product that doesn't even appear to be an affiliate link. She really is the worst, she can't even be basic correctly.

[breezy424]

I found the episode pretty boring.  It was nice to see Jennifer and her baby.  That was pretty much it.

Naomi really needs to read Craig the riot act about his life.  I think she's the only one who can through to him.

Shep, Whitney and Thomas are all looking 'worn'.  And all three continue to objectify women.  Ugh.  I don't any of them are truly happy.

Landon is still in 'Landon Land'.  I wonder how much money she got out of her divorce because someone's footing the bill for her present lifestyle and I don't think it's all daddy.  She's working on toning down her annoying voice but hasn't gotten there.  There's just nothing that I find redeemable about her.

As for the Greek chorus, that was Cam's job the first two seasons and then things changed.  Too bad.  I liked her so much then.

Kat has carried this show since the beginning.  Without her, the series would have been a snooze fest.  Yeah, she has had terrible moments but I give her credit for finally going to rehab.  Most of all I feel for her, and Thomas's, two kids.  I hope she keeps it together.

Not feeling Austen.  Not so much Chelsea either.  

Daisy was all sorts of weird to me.   Anyone surprised that Whitney and his old girlfriend broke up? 

[ninjago]

That clip from the reunion of Landon laughing about Kathryn's failed drug test is so, so gross.

Also, her website is a rip-off of Goop's travel guides.

Edited April 11, 2017 by ninjago

[mbaywife123]

Please no more screen time for TRav with his shirt off. Yuck!

Glad Jennifer's baby appears to be thriving.

Wonder how long Craig's "beard " Naomi will hang around.

Also how long does Whitless want to pretend he likes women only?

Cameron is Switzerland.

Landon needs to take her valley girl self back to Bolthouse in Los Angeles.

Kathryn is reaping her just rewards, too bad children are caught in the middle.

Shep is becoming that guy you liked as a frat boy in college but now are starting realize is a jerk.

Damn, no Drunkie-O this episode.

[ivygirl]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

That's the old website. Here is the new one which is still lacking content but exists.

Ugh. The fact that she and her team haven't set up a redirect does not bode well for her web expertise. 

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, ivygirl said:

Ugh. The fact that she and her team haven't set up a redirect does not bode well for her web expertise. 

Well I think when she met with the dude last year (Buzzfeed? Gawker? some umbrella site that most people have heard of and did her presentation in printed put basic power point sheets said everything ever about Landon and her Internet experise!

[Teddybear]

If Craig is going to be spending that much time with Gizmo, he may need to get a good antihistamine.  

Shep really is a dick, isn't he.  He really said nasty things to Craig just to hurt him.  As Craig kept saying, why do you care????  I still don't know the answer to that.  

Watch out, Charleston...Whitney is single and ready to mingle.  Gross.  

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, Teddybear said:

Watch out, Charleston...Whitney is single and ready to mingle.  Gross.  

Charleston's fine he lives in LA.

 

3 hours ago, breezy424 said:

.  Most of all I feel for her, and Thomas's, two kids.  I hope she keeps it together.

She never got it together,

I think that is going to be the hardest part of the season is Kathryn. I always find it interesting because Katherine ruins the show for me because her ridiculous need to be an ass to everyone including Danni amd knowing she still hasn't seen her kids and failed a drug test is going to make it hard to watch.

Jennifer's son closet is bigger(okay not actually) and more well organized (straight up truth) than any I have had in my life.

Am I misremembering or did we not learn at Cameron's dinner party last season that Chelsea and Shep already "dated" and slept together.

Also, I think that Shep should just shut up but Craig has never ever suggested why he wants to be a lawyer or even what sort of law he wants to practice. At this point I think he is only finishing and doing the bar because he can live off Naomie and wants to prove he is not a failure/liar since it's been revealed on a national level. 

Shep questioned why he sent in a fake application including a check when he knew he wasn't qualified to sit. And also, questioned if he wanted to be a Lawyer because he has other talents and why waste time studyin for the bar and paying membership dues if you aren't going to practice law. Tons of people go to law school and never take/pass the bar some because they just thought the education would be good for future career choices or realized during that the practice of law was not for them. Graduate? yes, take the bar if you aren't going to practice? no.

[Major Bigtime]

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So according to the preview for next week, Mom of the Year Kathryn wants to go back into modeling. Because of course she does.

Drugs are easy to get when you're modeling, since she has no desire to stop.

It was great seeing Jennifer and how happy she is. She's the one person on this show who's got their shit together and I hope to see more of her.

[b2H]

9 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

Jennifer seemed very happy & I really hope the show doesn't let Kathryn get away with how badly she's treated Jennifer.  I can't imagine knowing my unborn child was going to immediately have to undergo brain surgery after he was born.  That anyone would be anything but supportive of a new mom in that situation really lacks all common decency. 

I'm a little off with the timeline here, but I'm not sure when Jennifer delivered vs. Kathryn being in Cali for her rehab.  Would've been tough to provide support from across the country.  And if it were traditional rehab (and yes, it's possible that it wasn't), Kathryn may not have even known this was going on - often in rehab, one is cut off from the outside world to focus on getting better.  I'm willing to give a pass to Kat, but not give a pass if, as soon as Kat found out about it, she wasn't over to Jennifer to find out what was going on and THEN provide support.

The medical issue with Jennifer's little one is scary and one I've never heard of before.  How awful!!  Hoping all goes well, going forward.

[MrSmith]

9 hours ago, Mojoker said:

This is what I got when I tried to visit Landon's website:

This site can’t be reached

www.roam-guide.com’s server DNS address could not be found.

However, there is an unrelated website called roam.com which seems to be someone's vacation snaps. It's not bad at all.

When you look up the WHOIS for roam-guide.com, its registration has lapsed and it is currently in the re-registration grace period afforded to the previous owner. It lapsed on 22 Feb 2017. It was last hosted on a server in Wasilla, AK, which is interesting (though not terribly significant), and it is administered from Washington state. On the other hand, roam.com is hosted on a server in Chicago and its registration is private. So, there isn't much to find out from that.

As for roam.com's design? No, no, no. That is most certainly not "not bad at all". It's an absolutely terribly designed site and hopefully whoever owns it either did it themselves or paid very little for it. There are myriad problems with the site, the greatest of which are the fact it appears to have absolutely no focus (a design problem) and uses a frameset (a technical problem). I could write paragraphs about all the problems with this site, but I'll save you all the deep dive into the technical and design problems this site possesses. If you want to know more, PM me. Otherwise, I'll just stop here.

[Misslindsey]

Didn't one of Landon's friends (I am blanking on her name) say she wrote everything for Landon's website? I could be misremembering though.  

[olivia1]

According to Landon's Twitter there were too many Roam sites . She says hers  is now called Trovare which is to find in Italian. 

http://trovareco.com/category/roam-with-us/

[seasquared]

The only way they could get Kathryn screen time is to shoehorn her in with Danni - the one friend she hasn't alienated.......yet.

[Mojoker]

1 hour ago, MrSmith said:

When you look up the WHOIS for roam-guide.com, its registration has lapsed and it is currently in the re-registration grace period afforded to the previous owner. It lapsed on 22 Feb 2017. It was last hosted on a server in Wasilla, AK, which is interesting (though not terribly significant), and it is administered from Washington state. On the other hand, roam.com is hosted on a server in Chicago and its registration is private. So, there isn't much to find out from that.

As for roam.com's design? No, no, no. That is most certainly not "not bad at all". It's an absolutely terribly designed site and hopefully whoever owns it either did it themselves or paid very little for it. There are myriad problems with the site, the greatest of which are the fact it appears to have absolutely no focus (a design problem) and uses a frameset (a technical problem). I could write paragraphs about all the problems with this site, but I'll save you all the deep dive into the technical and design problems this site possesses. If you want to know more, PM me. Otherwise, I'll just stop here.

I have a feeling that roam.com is literally someone sharing their holiday snaps and not really meant for the general public, but okay with the GP stumbling in and having a look.  From that standpoint, it's not bad at all.  If it were trying to be some other kind of site -- blog, commercial, etc. -- then, yes, it would seem a mess.  As it is, it's only marginally worse than what Landon's got going on... for the moment.

[slowpoked]

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Am I misremembering or did we not learn at Cameron's dinner party last season that Chelsea and Shep already "dated" and slept together.

No, I believe that's just Landon assuming Shep has already slept with her because she's single and under 30.

8 minutes ago, seasquared said:

The only way they could get Kathryn screen time is to shoehorn her in with Danni - the one friend she hasn't alienated.......yet.

Like all Kathryn scenes in the first few episodes, that was probably shot later then just edited into the episode last night, as almost all castmembers said Kathryn didn't start filming until they're already during the middle of filming schedule because she was still in California when they started.

[MrSmith]

@Mojoker Fair (and true) enough. If they're just putting it online to make it easy for friends and family to view them, it's a good enough site for that. I just have a special hatred for framesets, which would prevent me from spending serious time perusing the pictures even if I were among their target audience.

[bichonblitz]

23 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

Didn't one of Landon's friends (I am blanking on her name) say she wrote everything for Landon's website? I could be misremembering though.  

Yes, I caught that, too. I thought it was her "assistant" or "intern" that said it, though. 

Landon is insufferable. There has been way, way wayyyyyyyyyy to much of her. The problem is that none of the viewers care about her. What gives, Southern Charm? 

The truth about this show is that not a single one of them has anything going on except Thomas with the custody issue. They better come up with some shit, fast.  Cameron is a complete bore, how long can we watch footage of Craig doing nothing but talk to his cat all day and Shep's good ole' frat boy routine is just plain sad now. I don't really think the new guy has much personality and Whitney, he blows in to town for a few filming appearances and then goes back to L.A.  With out Kathryn's dramatics, they got nothing. 

[biakbiak]

10 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

No, I believe that's just Landon assuming Shep has already slept with her because she's single and under 30.

Haven't seen it recently to be sure bUT Cam and Shep confirm it in THs and that is why Landon is weird out by her.

Kathryn continues to be awful.

[Pickles]

Not that anyone cares, but I think Chelsea is 31 or 32 and not under 30. She looks like she could be Cameron's sister. Apparently, she was once on Survivor. 

I am tired of Cameron's talk of not being maternal, blah, blah. It is perfectly fine to not desire a baby. Just stop talking about it.

Do not like Landon at all. She comes off as a ditz, but I think she is pretty conniving. She is totally looking for a rich man to marry.

Shep and Austin really disgust me. Sleeping around with different women all of the time. They have a new crop of coeds each year at the College of Charleston, so an endless supply of fresh vagina. Shep will still be doing this when he is 50. It is really pathetic and gross.

katherine should not be allowed on the show with all of her drug issues. I almost feel like the show is enabling her.

[Major Bigtime]

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I'm a little off with the timeline here, but I'm not sure when Jennifer delivered vs. Kathryn being in Cali for her rehab.  Would've been tough to provide support from across the country.

Jennifer was pregnant, and knew of her baby's issues, when they filmed the reunion. That's when Kathryn turned on her. Kathryn doesn't care about anyone but Kathryn.

Yes, this show is enabling Kathryn to have money to buy drugs. Bravo will do anything to stir the pot.

[Nancypants]

11 hours ago, Sun-Bun said:

Apparently promote her stupid website idea to potential financial backers while acting like a tacky nouveau riche diva who claimed she "doesn't hang out with millionaires, she hangs out with billionaires"! Because when she acts bitchy people think she's a bitch.

So Landon' s big achievement is that she had a genius idea for a website about " art and travel ..and art and stuuuff". Then someone else did all the work. Then she threw a half assed party to celebrate like,  her, like, nonachievement. AWESOMME.

These. Fuck. Ing. People.