S05.E07: Hurricane

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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Rayna and Deacon struggle to write their album; Maddie and Daphne create a disturbance at home; Damien apologizes to Scarlett; Scarlett and Gunnar question their relationship.

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Edited February 8, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo

[piratewench]

I wonder what this "disturbance" is that Maddie and Daphne create....

[Primetimer]

But the labor's painful for all concerned.

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[CrystalMoon]

No Avery, no Juliette, no Will. Enough said.

Edited February 10, 2017 by CrystalMoon

[Lady Calypso]

Hearing that Juliette, Avery, and Will weren't in the episode has me easily skipping this episode. Although I decided to read the recap and after reading about Scarlett happily cheating on Gunnar and then blaming him for being immature, and Rayna/Deacon rehashing their stupid album, along with some filmmaker coming to film their lives and Daphne possibly causing more problems for them, I'm...yeah, I'm glad I'm not watching it. 

[Ohmo]

24 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Hearing that Juliette, Avery, and Will weren't in the episode has me easily skipping this episode. Although I decided to read the recap and after reading about Scarlett happily cheating on Gunnar and then blaming him for being immature, and Rayna/Deacon rehashing their stupid album, along with some filmmaker coming to film their lives and Daphne possibly causing more problems for them, I'm...yeah, I'm glad I'm not watching it. 

Well, Daphne didn't cause trouble for Rayna and Deacon.  Maddie was making a cake, then Clay came over.  The two of them went upstairs (presumably to make out), and Maddie told Daphne to watch the cake.  The next thing we saw, Rayna and Deacon were being told their fire alarm was going off.  They were also kissing in some parking lot, while supposedly working on their album.  Not sure how Daphne got thrown under the bus.  If it was anyone's fault, it was Maddie's.  She made the cake, went off to suck face with Clay, and shoved the responsibility for the cake off on Daphne.

This episode was boring and tedious.  Gunnar and Scarlett are having their usual angst, I don't care about Deacon and Rayna's album, and Maddie continues to be bratty. She and Rayna got into it again.

[Lady Calypso]

13 minutes ago, Ohmo said:

Well, Daphne didn't cause trouble for Rayna and Deacon.  Maddie was making a cake, then Clay came over.  The two of them went upstairs (presumably to make out), and Maddie told Daphne to watch the cake.  The next thing we saw, Rayna and Deacon were being told their fire alarm was going off.  They were also kissing in some parking lot, while supposedly working on their album.  Not sure how Daphne got thrown under the bus.  If it was anyone's fault, it was Maddie's.  She made the cake, went off to suck face with Clay, and shoved the responsibility for the cake off on Daphne.

 

Ah, well actually, I should have been more clear about what scene. I meant the scene of I guess Daphne telling the filmmaker about her parents not being in love or something? I guess it just hit me: is there a possibility of Daphne talking about Rayna and Teddy? Again, didn't watch the episode so the recap I read was vague about the scene. The cake thing was definitely Maddie's fault. 

[WhosThatGirl]

Will sadly has become a non character at this point reallly. He had some blip of moments in the last episode but all of his screen time pretty much added up to like six minutes in total.

Also, for some reason the people who saved this show really think I care ALOT about the teenage trials of Maddie and Daphne and I don't. Even on ABC Maddie wasn't this big of a central character even when the big story was her emancipation. Like she's on screen almost every other scene.

And I honestly could care less about the concept album.

The same can be said for anything to do with Scarlett and Gunner.

[NorthstarATL]

Is the stalker officially gone? Because my initial reaction to the phone call about the fire and the request for the passcode was that it was a scam, especially because Daphne appears to be someone who might care about a cake in the oven, and not be distracted, unless she was passive-aggressively allowing a fire to start to out her sister having a man in her room, which would seem over the top, even for a kid.

  I hate when people share something in the name of being honest that hurts another person and is presumably no longer relevant to the relationship. At the point when Scarlett told Gunnar about Damien Scarlett had no clue that Damien was not out of their lives, so, other than sticking it to Gunnar, what purpose did her telling him serve? And then when Gunnar had his reaction she tells HIM to grow up!

  And anyone can tell you that a good marriage is about contentment and happiness. A good country song is often the opposite of that. That's why married couples probably don't do a ton of writing together. Good writing, at any rate.

[GaT]

So, so bored.

[WhosThatGirl]

7 minutes ago, GaT said:

So, so bored.

Yup. The first couple episodes were interesting. But now I'm just bored and it somehow feels the show is turning into a not at all good teen show. Which is not what I'm here for. And maybe I'm wrong but I didn't think Nashville was a show for the teen age group before and when it moved I just assumed it's previous fan base and viewers are the ones who moved with it so I don't quite understand why we're focusing so much time on Maddie and Daphne.

And maybe that's why tonight I didn't watch life, I watched riverdale episode. An actual teen drama.

[Racj82]

I have a theory. This show went from a broadcast network to cable. A lower tier network at that. Budget cuts. So, everyone except people who directly involved Rayna since Britton is co-ep of the show. So characters are going to get cycled out through season because almost no one has a full season order contract. Also I'm sure the kids are the cheapest to use for more episodes. 

On the episode, it led me to one of music biggest pet peeves in life. If you are going to be with someone, you cant bringing up old shit in arguments. That's all these people do. If you can't get over the past or your own hang ups, move the fuck on. Clay is really fucking annoying too. Stop throwing Maddie's age in her face. You chose this. If you are going to date her. Date her. But, stop acting like you are looking down her for her age. You are a grown ass man dating a teenage in high school aged girl. That's on you.

[CatWarmer]

Agree, lots going on that I really really don't care about.  Although I did think the song at the end was pretty.  But it seemed like there was some heavy handed clues when Clay was talking to Deacon at the door, mentioned seeing him somewhere eight years ago, Deacon looking all suspicious and like - hmmm - then cutting to Rayna saying something about how Maddie doesn't know everything about Clay.  At least I think that was what was going on because I was also reading news on my phone.

[nlkm9]

8 hours ago, CrystalMoon said:

No Avery, no Juliette, no Will. Enough said.

I just adore Will :). Even Luke. No more Maddie, more Daphne. I will say though there were parts of Deacon and Rayna that made me smile:)

another thought that keeps cycling through my mind--Rayna and Deacon are stars--yet they can stroll into a restaurant with no paparazzi chasing them? And they are supposedly having money issues but they live in a very fancy house with an intercom (which I love). I know Im over analyzing but it irritates me lol.

[LekoBoy]

What the h3ll did Rayna teach these girls?  If Madrid can use a KitchenAid stand mixer to mix a cake (even though she used the whisk and not the paddle), why can she not set a timer?  Even Dafney should know to do that. 

[luna1122]

Yeah, this episode was a little boring. I had really high hopes for this reboot, with these show runners, and it's sometimes living up to that, but this one definitely did not. I wasn't even sure what the point of Rayna and Deacon rehashing everything was, and Rayna just came off kind of like a bitch half the time. I did like the scene where they finally got it together and managed to collaborate...my honey, who is a musician, thought it came off fairly authentic and well done, too.

I could NOT care less about Scarlett and Gunnar at this point, especially since they've completely revised the history we all saw to make Gunnar a bad boy who treated Scarlett terribly. And I completely loathe the whole 'this guy is an emotionally abusive dick but he taught me more about myself than I'd ever known before' bullshit with the storyline. I also truly wanted to smack Scarlett for 'Ima tell you something about having feelings for another guy but you can't react' conversation. That was ridiculous. As was Hoda's convenient question: 'So Scarlett, did the making of this video CHANGE you?'....what an inorganic, weird interview query just to push the story.

I don't HATE Maddie as much this season but there is far too much of her, and I have no idea what Clay is doing with her or why.

No Avery means it's never going to be the best episode.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

That camera guy Gene was creeping me out from the second he appeared in Rayna's kitchen. It didn't help when he was gushing over their memorabilia and then filming them through the door. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because Zack hired him to film Rayna and Deacon, but Gene still had a creepy demeanor. Loved that Rayna gave him her best Tami Taylor when she said she would escort him to the kitchen.

Maddie, ugh. She is doing EXACTLY what Clay said she's doing - she's trying to rebel and annoy her parents. As much as it annoyed me when I lived at home, you still have to respect your parents' rules, even if you don't like them. I am an adult and when I go home for Christmas, I would not stay out all night without telling my mom ahead of time.

Whichever kid yelled that her printer was out of ink can STFU. It's not rocket science. Put the cartridge in yourself!

Zack showing up for an interview on the Today Show seemed so unlikely. How many times have you seen a musical group do an interview on tv along with the guy who directed their music video, no matter how famous the director is?

6 hours ago, CatWarmer said:

But it seemed like there was some heavy handed clues when Clay was talking to Deacon at the door, mentioned seeing him somewhere eight years ago, Deacon looking all suspicious and like - hmmm - then cutting to Rayna saying something about how Maddie doesn't know everything about Clay. 

Deacon definitely got a suspicious look on his face when Clay said the show was eight years ago. I couldn't figure out why. Deacon and Rayna already know that Clay is older than Maddie, so what was that all about? Clay is 24 now so eight years ago, he was 16. There are enough all ages venues in Nashville that it's believable he saw that show. Is it going to come out that Clay shot a man just to watch him die in the alley after the show?

55 minutes ago, LekoBoy said:

What the h3ll did Rayna teach these girls?  If Madrid can use a KitchenAid stand mixer to mix a cake (even though she used the whisk and not the paddle), why can she not set a timer?  Even Dafney should know to do that. 

Even if neither of them know how to set a timer, they should know how to turn off the oven when they smell smoke.

[marceline]

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Deacon definitely got a suspicious look on his face when Clay said the show was eight years ago. I couldn't figure out why. Deacon and Rayna already know that Clay is older than Maddie, so what was that all about? Clay is 24 now so eight years ago, he was 16. There are enough all ages venues in Nashville that it's believable he saw that show. Is it going to come out that Clay shot a man just to watch him die in the alley after the show?

I took Deacon's look to be realization that Clay was old enough to see him in concert eight years ago while Maddie would've been nine years old. I think it just brought the age difference home to him in a way that made him very uncomfortable. 

I'm not here for whatever is going on with Scarlett/Damien. I'm sorry but he was abusive to her on the set in ways that should forever be a red flag. For her to find herself attracted to him is nauseating to me no matter how good the video is.

I did really like the song at the end though. It was a slog to get there but the music was good.

[vb68]

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This episode was boring and tedious. 

The pacing in the scenes now is slow as molasses.  A lot of the stuff with Rayna and Deacon working on songs while being extra mopey are way too drawn out and last forfreakingever.  I think it's even more obvious without Juliette, who at least generally kicks the energy up a knock in her scenes.

No scenes with Avery and/or Juliette really does drain the life out of the show.

So why did Daphne just ignore the cake in the oven?  She didn't seem like she was pissed at Maddie in any of the other scenes.  That seemed very muddled to me.  It wasn't her fault, but I don't believe she would have forgotten (she's totally the sharpest one in so many ways) or be passive- aggressive with something that could burn.  Really bad writing.

And Rayna clearly said Gene was so fired when he was chasing her and Deacon. And then he's still around to interview Daphne in private and sneak up on all of them in the kitchen?  Uh huh.

Edited February 10, 2017 by vb68

[tennisgurl]

Yeah, I spent a lot of this episode scrolling through my Instagram. It was THAT boring. Looking at my friends pictures of their dogs and vacations look more exciting than this episode.

I did like seeing Rayna and Deacon writing a song together, and it was a pretty good song. Something I have often complained about with this show is that it just seems like at other prime time soap, without anything showing that the characters are country artists. That was nice to see.

Other than that, this episode was just ridiculously boring. No Avery, Will, Luke, OR Juliet? But don't worry yall, we have lots of Maddie drama! Seriously, who wants this much of Maddie and her boring teenaged bullshit? And the smoke was totally on Maddie, not Daphne. Does going off to make out with your boyfriend while leaving your grad school sister alone with food really seem like a good idea?

I also don't care about Scarlett and Gunnar and their endless drama. Why are they acting like Gunnar was some asshole who was awful to Scarlett? I don't remember that.

Did I complain last week? Because that was stupid. Last week had tons of great stuff, while this week was a snore.

[vb68]

So the episode title "Hurricane" was actually deeply ironic considering how boring the episode turned out to be.

[Ohmo]

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I guess it just hit me: is there a possibility of Daphne talking about Rayna and Teddy?

I would actually love it if Daphne were talking about Teddy, 'cuz then the show would have to remember that Teddy is her father!  It bugs me, it really does.  Teddy is/was many things, but he has/was always been a good dad to both Daphne and Maddie.  Now, we're supposed to forget he ever existed, and it's just Rayna, Deacon, and the girls.  Sorry, no.  Teddy's in prison, but he should not be getting the shaft as a parent. The writers could write some dialogue about Teddy being in contact with Rayna about Daphne for some reason.  Eric Close would not be needed for that, although I wouldn't mind seeing him.

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The same can be said for anything to do with Scarlett and Gunner.

I used to like Scarlett and Gunnar a lot, bu now they're at each other all the time, with the same angsty fight, and they both look miserable.

Ditto about Rayna and Deacon in terms of having the same relationship conversation over and over again.  It's tedious, and now they're going to set that conversation to music?  BLECH...no thanks.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Ohmo

[seacliffsal]

There were many instances that I enjoyed the Deacon and Rayna scenes.  Oh, and Deacon's voice...be still my heart.

However, I am so over Scarlett.  She allows herself to be distraught and depressed when Gunner goes out with someone else after they have broken up.  But, she does not allow Gunner to react when she tells him that she has the feels for someone else while she and Gunner are still together.  It is also really interesting to me that she is able to handle touring now when she had a breakdown when she first went out on tour.  Of course she is going to have a relationship with Damian, and of course it will go bad and then we'll have to watch her breakdown all over again.  Sigh.

For the first time I started fast forwarding through Maddie's scenes.  Just do not care...

[vendredi3]

18 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Also, for some reason the people who saved this show really think I care ALOT about the teenage trials of Maddie and Daphne and I don't. Even on ABC Maddie wasn't this big of a central character even when the big story was her emancipation. Like she's on screen almost every other scene.

I totally agree. I was hoping for a Once and Again redux from these two, instead they're trying to shoehorn Maddie into a My So-Called Life show. And as much as I like Clay, he's no Jordan Catalano. Maybe there's a party at Tino's we can finally see next week?

[KaveDweller]

18 hours ago, NorthstarATL said:

Is the stalker officially gone? Because my initial reaction to the phone call about the fire and the request for the passcode was that it was a scam, especially because Daphne appears to be someone who might care about a cake in the oven, and not be distracted, unless she was passive-aggressively allowing a fire to start to out her sister having a man in her room, which would seem over the top, even for a kid.

I thought it was a scam too. Daphne is 12 or 13 now, that's old enough to be able to set a timer and take a cake out of the oven. I wish we saw the cake incident happen cause it just seemed weird. Was she passive aggressively trying to get back at Maddie for going upstairs with Clay.

Speaking of Daphne, when she asked Maddie if "it" hurt I thought she was asking about sex and not love.  Maddie's response seemed pretty depressing to me.

17 hours ago, Racj82 said:

On the episode, it led me to one of music biggest pet peeves in life. If you are going to be with someone, you cant bringing up old shit in arguments. That's all these people do. If you can't get over the past or your own hang ups, move the fuck on. Clay is really fucking annoying too. Stop throwing Maddie's age in her face. You chose this. If you are going to date her. Date her. But, stop acting like you are looking down her for her age. You are a grown ass man dating a teenage in high school aged girl. That's on you.

Yeah, Clay is really bugging me with his attitude with Maddie.  Either break it off or date her without being an ass. 

[AnnaRose]

This episode was awful.  And so incredibly boring!  I didn't enjoy Rayna and Deacon rehashing the past, yet again.  I can't stand Maddie, and Scarlett was ridiculous.  Again.  I pretty much hated all of it, and kept looking at the clock wondering if it was ever going to be over.   The Deacon/Rayna stuff especially seemed like it just went on for ever.  I didn't think this show could be any worse than it was on ABC... but they sure do seem to be trying to prove it can.  So disappointing.

[dcalley]

21 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Ah, well actually, I should have been more clear about what scene. I meant the scene of I guess Daphne telling the filmmaker about her parents not being in love or something? I guess it just hit me: is there a possibility of Daphne talking about Rayna and Teddy? Again, didn't watch the episode so the recap I read was vague about the scene. The cake thing was definitely Maddie's fault. 

I didn't think about Teddy at the time (I was distracted thinking about how Daphne should not be alone with this strange man taping her talking about her family), but I suppose he could be who she was talking about.

[pattycat]

6 hours ago, vb68 said:

So the episode title "Hurricane" was actually deeply ironic considering how boring the episode turned out to be.

I didn't find the episode boring, at all.  I enjoyed it   

I actually appreciate that CMT Nashville is not so frenetic, with wildly over the top storylines, storylines that were so dark and depressing. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

10 hours ago, vb68 said:

So the episode title "Hurricane" was actually deeply ironic considering how boring the episode turned out to be.

I was just relieved that we didn't get some over the top soap opera plot where a hurricane struck while Maddie and Daphne were burning a cake and then Rayna and Deacon couldn't get home which would result in feeling guilty that they took half an hour to spend some time alone.

5 hours ago, vendredi3 said:

I totally agree. I was hoping for a Once and Again redux from these two, instead they're trying to shoehorn Maddie into a My So-Called Life show. And as much as I like Clay, he's no Jordan Catalano. Maybe there's a party at Tino's we can finally see next week?

Maddie isn't even as mature as Danielle at this point.

I liked the Deacon/Rayna songwriting stuff. Seeing the montage of them collaborating at the end was nice, and I get why we saw the stuff before that so we could see that they wanted to be in that comfortable place where writing a song together was easy and natural the way it used to be. They thought it would be just as easy this time around but they had to realize that sometimes things change and you can't expect your process (or your relationship) to always be the same. Is this the first time they've written something together since they got married?

The old "two people on opposite sides of a closed door" shot was a bit much though.

Edited February 11, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo

[mojoween]

Gene's question to Daphne WAS weird because he asked about her "mom and dad" so why would she be talking about Deacon?  Far as we know Deacon didn't adopt her for cod's sack. 

Poor Teddy.  He goes to prison and ceases to exist.

Rayna is annoying.  Deacon SAID he didn't want to do it, she badgered him into doing it, and then gets pissed when it doesn't go well.

[bilgistic]

On 2/10/2017 at 2:32 AM, Racj82 said:

Clay is really fucking annoying too. Stop throwing Maddie's age in her face. You chose this. If you are going to date her. Date her. But, stop acting like you are looking down her for her age. You are a grown ass man dating a teenage in high school aged girl. That's on you.

Do the writers have amnesia? Because he smart-assedly said to her, "Ohhhh, right, you still live with your parents!" like he didn't just visit her at home last week. WTF, show?

And later, Gunnar told Scarlett that Avery was at Juliette's. WE KNOW. He moved there weeks ago. What even is happening?

[KaveDweller]

8 hours ago, mojoween said:

Gene's question to Daphne WAS weird because he asked about her "mom and dad" so why would she be talking about Deacon?  Far as we know Deacon didn't adopt her for cod's sack. 

Poor Teddy.  He goes to prison and ceases to exist.

Rayna is annoying.  Deacon SAID he didn't want to do it, she badgered him into doing it, and then gets pissed when it doesn't go well.

I expected Daphne to correct him when he said "mom and dad." They had even just showed her calling him Deacon in front of Gene. 

Edited February 12, 2017 by KaveDweller

[seewillrun]

It feels like I am missing a scene or two at times.  The fight on the bridge seemed to come out of nowhere.  Maybe that is just the artistic temperament showing up?  This is the first time in decades that Rayna and Deacon are working as equals.  I'm iffy on the backstory because I read way too much fan fiction, but after Rayna started making a name for herself, Deacon was her bandleader, and even though they were a couple he was still technically her employee, right?   Add to that the fact that Deacon is only doing this because Rayna nagged him into it and this is what you get. 

[Bwill3133]

No Will, Juliette or Avery? Nashville you are pushing my limits. I'm not the biggest fan of Scarlett and Gunnar but weren't they happily in love the first episode? I guess I don't get this fast turnaround of them "barely hanging on." I've seen that they've put their terrible past all on Gunnar which makes zero sense. Now Scarlett is falling for another guy and wants Gunnar to grow up and get over it? Thats probably not going to happen. 

Didnt Deacon tell Rayna he didn't want to to this? He knew they would end up fighting. But no Rayna insisted on doing this. It worked at the end but they are just going to keep rehashing their awful past in every episode I guess? 

 Daphne is still the only sane one. I would have liked her to correct Gene about her dad. Teddy is her father but now he's  in jail and forgotten. Nice. 

Clay either you care about Maddie being 17 or you don't. Quit bringing up her age and then continuing to hang out with her. It's annoying. 

[Sydka]

Bwill3113 -- you said everything I came here to say.  The show is re-treading old storylines.  My patience is wearing.  Even the music has gone downhill -- it's not as good this season as it's been in past seasons.  If the music doesn't improve, there will really be no reason to continue watching the show. 

[KaveDweller]

5 hours ago, seewillrun said:

It feels like I am missing a scene or two at times.  The fight on the bridge seemed to come out of nowhere.  Maybe that is just the artistic temperament showing up?  This is the first time in decades that Rayna and Deacon are working as equals.  I'm iffy on the backstory because I read way too much fan fiction, but after Rayna started making a name for herself, Deacon was her bandleader, and even though they were a couple he was still technically her employee, right?   Add to that the fact that Deacon is only doing this because Rayna nagged him into it and this is what you get. 

I guess Deacon was her employee since he was the bandleader, but they did co-write many songs over the years. I think they were equals in that.

[Soup333]

11 hours ago, bilgistic said:

Do the writers have amnesia? Because he smart-assedly said to her, "Ohhhh, right, you still live with your parents!" like he didn't just visit her at home last week. WTF, show?

And later, Gunnar told Scarlett that Avery was at Juliette's. WE KNOW. He moved there weeks ago. What even is happening?

The Gunnar line was because he and Avery had been working on a song offscreen. He asked Scarlett if she wanted to stay in for the night because Avery had just left to go back over Juliette's. No excuse for Clay. But I do like him more than I like Maddie.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Inside the episode:

My Favorite Hurricane:

[Ailianna]

On 2/10/2017 at 6:51 AM, nlkm9 said:

I just adore Will :). Even Luke. No more Maddie, more Daphne. I will say though there were parts of Deacon and Rayna that made me smile:)

another thought that keeps cycling through my mind--Rayna and Deacon are stars--yet they can stroll into a restaurant with no paparazzi chasing them? And they are supposedly having money issues but they live in a very fancy house with an intercom (which I love). I know Im over analyzing but it irritates me lol.

That's part of what stars love about Nashville--they aren't swarmed with paparazzi or people who prevent them form having lives out in the world.  That's actually a real thing, not an oversight for TV. Nashville is famous for it.

On 2/10/2017 at 9:51 PM, pattycat said:

I didn't find the episode boring, at all.  I enjoyed it   

I actually appreciate that CMT Nashville is not so frenetic, with wildly over the top storylines, storylines that were so dark and depressing. 

I still enjoy the show, and I like Deacon and Rayna, so I"m good with their airtime, which has to include kids, since they are parents. Mostly, I'm glad they didn't go the route of true love means no more problems or disagreements, or even fights.  That you can really and deeply and powerfully love someone, but not always be entirely in sync with them, and that it's a learning curve to move in and live with your true love.

[Suzysite]

Nashville got the boot off my DVR list last week, so I wanted to mosey over and see if I missed anything. Guess not. Apparently Nashville and I have broken up for good.

[shksabelle]

Somebody please tell Scarlett that the wide-eyed, I'm-oh-so-fragile, naive act can't lady forever. GROW UP. 

[bamabelle]

Love Nashville and all the characters, especially Deacon and Rayna.  The show gets better and more interesting with every episode.       

[LadyMustang65]

I have to say that for the most part I  have been really enjoying this CMT version of Nashville.  It's been so much more enjoyable than the last couple of years on network television.  But this episode wasn't so great.  Am I the only person in the world who thought that music video was awful?  I have no idea how you get a 1920's style lavish mansion/party set up out of a country music song or why Scarlett needed to act so bizarrely in it or why she actually thinks it was some revelation of herself?  Ugh.  And I am beyond tired of her and Gunnar.  Don't get me wrong - I love them as a couple when they're both acting like adults at the same time.  But Scarlett is getting on my last nerve.  I like Clay, but I'm still not crazy about Maddie.  She hasn't redeemed herself from the last season.  She was getting better, but this thing with Clay is making her regress, which is too bad because when she's not acting like a spoiled brat, she's a decent character.  I did like Deacon and Rayna hashing through the past.  I think it's actually good for them to understand how the other saw those years, and I would hope it would bring them closer together.  I think this episode was the weakest of the new ones, but overall, I'm still really enjoying this new season.

[RealFantasies]

Did someone different write this episode from the previous six because there were several slip-ups in the script, as already mentioned.

Having Gunner mention Avery wasn't in the house (he's been living at Juliette's for MONTHS), show conveniently forgetting Daphne is a Conrad so it was hard to decipher who the hell she was even talking about when she was being interviewed on "her mom and dad". Clay going, "Oh, right, you still live with your parents" when he was just there meeting the family last week.

They need to clean up these "B" sub-plots, or else I don't think their ratings will be consistently high enough for us to get a season 6.

Send Maddie SOMEWHERE ELSE, I don't wanna see her and Clay date, I don't care. You might as well break Gunner and Scarlett back up because they're acting like stupid teenagers, and show is insistent on using abusive asshole producer as a legitimate romantic option, which is really gross. Note: I'd be totally on board with Damien and Scarlett if he hadn't harassed and belittled her the entire time they shot that music video. If they wanted to use him as a future love interest with some permanent staying power on the canvas then maybe y'all should have introduced him a little differently?

Show could utilize the music a little better, take it up a notch, CMT.

Rayna and Deacon were the saving grace of this episode, everyone and everything else was fairly forgettable.

We get Juliette, Avery, and Will back next week, yeah?

[Absurda]

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I hate when people share something in the name of being honest that hurts another person and is presumably no longer relevant to the relationship. At the point when Scarlett told Gunnar about Damien Scarlett had no clue that Damien was not out of their lives, so, other than sticking it to Gunnar, what purpose did her telling him serve? And then when Gunnar had his reaction she tells HIM to grow up!

ITA with this!  Grownups in real life relationships can understand that, no matter how much you love your partner, being in a relationship does not equal being blind or dead.  You can still be attracted to other people, develop crushes on other people or even (gasp!) fantasize about someone else.  This is not necessarily a reflection on your relationship.  So, unless you are planning to leave your partner, there is no reason to mention these things other than to hurt them or make them insecure.  Then, telling them they have no right to be hurt or insecure about your “revelation” is completely ridiculous.  You can be honest with your partner without vomiting out every stray thought or feeling.

 

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Ditto about Rayna and Deacon in terms of having the same relationship conversation over and over again.  It's tedious, and now they're going to set that conversation to music?  BLECH...no thanks.

 

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I still enjoy the show, and I like Deacon and Rayna, so I"m good with their airtime, which has to include kids, since they are parents. Mostly, I'm glad they didn't go the route of true love means no more problems or disagreements, or even fights.  That you can really and deeply and powerfully love someone, but not always be entirely in sync with them, and that it's a learning curve to move in and live with your true love.

I agree that even long standing relationships will have conflict.  I just wish they’d find new conflict instead of rehashing the past over and over and over again.  I feel like we’ve seen them rehash their past ad nauseum at this point and it’s time for them to move on.  Going over it all again to “tell their story” (which I think has been amply told over the last 20 years of them writing and working together) seems like a pointless way of creating drama.  It really bugs that Rayna is pissed off at Deacon for all his suggestions when:

1)       He didn’t want to do this in the first place

2)      She uses this as an excuse to be pissed off at him all over again over things that happened decades ago

3)      She hasn’t contributed anything other than bitching about how it all used to be easier

I would have enjoyed this album writing better if they were focused on where they are now and where they are going as a couple instead of the past. 

It seems as though Scarlett and Rayna are both doing the same things in their relationships:  bring up the bad things the guy has done in the past, ignore anything they may have done to him, cast themselves as the ever suffering martyr and blame all their current problems on the things they guy did to them in the past.  Meanwhile the guys are swallowing it all and seeing themselves as total, worthless shit that’s lucky to have such a wonderful woman who’s willing to have them.  These are not healthy relationships between equals.

I kinda dream about Rayna and Scarlett getting together, and making each other miserable with all the drama they manage to create while Deacon and Gunnar get together and live in laidback bliss making wonderful music together.

Regarding Maddie drama:  Was there ever a flailing tv show aimed at an adult audience that was saved or improved by the addition of or increased focus on kids and teenagers?  I can’t think of one yet writers keep trying it anyway.

[Lady Calypso]

On 2/12/2017 at 1:38 PM, Ailianna said:

I still enjoy the show, and I like Deacon and Rayna, so I"m good with their airtime, which has to include kids, since they are parents.

Deacon/Rayna moments are enjoyable to watch, but there's a difference between including the kids in the show and giving them their own subplots and taking over screentime. Maddie has had several scenes without involving Deacon/Rayna. We have seen more of Maddie than we have of Deacon this season. The last four seasons had Maddie at least mostly involved with Rayna and Deacon, so it was a bit more tolerable. But now Maddie has a new boyfriend, so that takes up screentime. The show seems to be focusing more on the younger generation this season, which means more Maddie, more Daphne, and more Scarlett/Gunnar drama. I know Scarlett/Gunnar are at least in their mid twenties, but still. 

At least with Daphne, I'm intrigued because this will be the first arc that she gets on her own. After four seasons of being a supporting character as a main cast member, she gets a small arc to call her own. Maddie's had, like, five separate ones. Enough is enough. 

1 hour ago, Absurda said:

It seems as though Scarlett and Rayna are both doing the same things in their relationships:  bring up the bad things the guy has done in the past, ignore anything they may have done to him, cast themselves as the ever suffering martyr and blame all their current problems on the things they guy did to them in the past.  Meanwhile the guys are swallowing it all and seeing themselves as total, worthless shit that’s lucky to have such a wonderful woman who’s willing to have them.  These are not healthy relationships between equals.

Agreed to an extent. I think Rayna/Deacon are never going to be a fully happy, functioning couple. They have way too much baggage in their past to fully move forward. As many mistakes as Deacon made, I think one of the biggest mistakes Rayna made was keeping Deacon on as her bandmate for years after their breakup. It didn't allow them to really move on and deal with their own stuff as individuals. They were always in each other's orbit so I think it makes it harder for them to move on and forgive. But they are still more functional than Scarlett/Gunnar, who's far from being any type of Rayna/Deacon 2.0. Mostly because Gunnar is not the bad guy Scarlett and the show are making him out to be this season. Gunnar and Scarlett got together under the worst circumstances through Gunnar's period of grief. Scarlett is not this innocent, naive girl like they're making her out to be either. I'm more annoyed by her antics now. 

I used to be intrigued by Scarlett/Gunnar getting back together under better conditions but it really looks like it's for the best if these two never, ever, ever get back together. Gunnar deserves better, of all people. And once upon a time, I thought that Gunnar wasn't that great. He just needs to go hang out with Will, continue living with him, and Gunnar can go find himself another woman who appreciates him. While Gunnar seems to genuinely love Scarlett, it's hard for me to tell with her if she even remotely likes him. 

[STOPSHOUTING]

Deacon is a totally different person now, right? I mean, last year he was punching out people for every slight, but now he's all, 'Hey, Clay, nice to see you, I've got no say in this.' What parent just shrugs and is like, 'Our teenage daughter is dating a 24-year-old, bi-polar panhandler, but whatcha gonna' do, amirite? Oh and, just a few months ago, she was manipulated and abused by another user weirdo, so, obvs, we totally trust her judgement.' Umm. No. (As much as I did love Rayna's, 'Sure you should date someone not crazy IF YOU CAN FIND ONE,' line.)

I also totally thought the, 'Wasn't that eight years ago' drop was supposed to signify that Clay is even older than Daphne has told them. And, plus, what the hell is wrong with this guy? Maddie is soooooo teenage, immature for her age even, and he keeps talking about the age difference meaning they can't date, but then repeatedly hooking up with her. Pick a lane, dude, because I don't think they want us to believe he's a creepy creep, but that's what his behavior identifies as.

Ugh, Scarlett, you were BRIEFLY less insufferable. So, so briefly. And is she contractually obligated to have hideous hair? We finally get rid of the worst extensions in TV history only to replace it with this look that says, 'Hey, I just got out of a wind tunnel,' ... Was Scarlett's 'do supposed to reflect the episode's title, literally?

Loved seeing Luke again. Well, I mean his character isn't great, but, dang, Will Chase can sing, and really sells it. No mention of him getting back with his ex though, which is how the last series ended his storyline. Also, he is, and always has been, way too good for Rayna. Sorry, Connie, love you, but Rayna is a bit of a B ... Speaking of, what was up with she and Deacon doing the sleeping-on-the-couch thing? She really does manipulate him, like, ALWAYS. He's your husband, now, not your employee. Figure it out, Rayna. 

Lastly, Too. Much. Maddie.

Edited February 13, 2017 by STOPSHOUTING

[Bwill3133]

With Gunnar and Scarlett the best moments they have to me are singing. In my quick recall of their relationship, I'm not really remembering too many happy times but it was awhile ago. Proposing with your brother having just died? Yeah. I think they needed to stay The Exes because that's how they work.  

[Absurda]

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While Gunnar seems to genuinely love Scarlett, it's hard for me to tell with her if she even remotely likes him. 

I sometimes wonder, too, if she even likes Gunnar and, at this point, why he would want to be with her.  Gunnar is like a big, cheerful, golden retriever type of guy and Scarlett is just a perpetual sad sack.  His happiness and joy in how well things are going toward achieving his dream probably bugs the crap out of her because she's so constantly unhappy with everything, doesn't know what she wants and really isn't enjoying a music career.  So, she may (consciously or unconsciously)  be trying to knock him off of his cloud 9 and bring him down in the dumps with her.  Misery does love company.  Also, with Scarlett I keep getting a "I don't want you but I don't want you to be with anyone else, either" vibe when it comes to Gunnar. 

[Mrs. DuRona]

The cake looked like a basic yellow cake to me.  What basic yellow cake takes AN HOUR to bake?  Might explain why it burned - Daphne thought she had an hour, when really, like, 35 minutes is usually the max.

And now I want cake...

Edited February 14, 2017 by Mrs. DuRona
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