S01.E04: Fall

[TudorQueen]

I've loved Kelly Bishop since her Tony-winning performance in "A Chorus Line", and she was one of the major reasons I watched "Gilmore Girls" from the beginning.

I loved Emily, even at her most impossible, and ached for her as she tried fruitlessly to forge a closer relationship to Lorelei, who seemed almost willful in her inability to fully embrace her mother. She and Richard had a terrific marriage (another ache for my battered heart was during their separation, but I loved that Emily was angry at Richard for the way he treated someone she didn't even like, and considered a threat to her lifestyle and position as Richard's helpmate.)

Bishop, amazingly, never got an Emmy nomination for six years of astonishingly good work. Maybe they'll make up for it with a 'supporting actress in a limited series' award this fall. But in my mind, she has all the prizes.

[junienmomo]

3 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

What a rip-off of the Wizard of Oz when Rory was saying goodbye to the life and death brigade boys. (Think lion, tin man and scarecrow and Dorothy's going home speech).

The Wild storyline  was also weak. Once again Lorelai was too lazy to put in any hard work ( can't even hike for one damn day) to do anything that is challenging. The woman is perpetually stuck at 16 years old with her poor put upon woe is me damsel in distress attitude.

Lazy writing all around for four stupid final words not worth waiting for as Rory is 32 and who gives a shit if she is pregnant so that the folks of Stars Hollow can help raise her kid just like her mom.

There is a fine line between making a clever literary reference and being derivative. The goodbye was derivative and the overall writing got worse the more I thought about it. 

Lorelai breaks off her search when she decides she already has it all, and there's no place like home. Emily is surrounded by a crowd of people who take care of her every need. What was the place where Dorothy was cleaned up to meet the wizard? 

It's like significant pieces of Dorothy's journey was split among the three women. A few more heavy-handed moments like the goodbye and someone might be facing plagiarism accusations.

[cmfran]

I could live another lifetime without seeing Colin and Finn again and be just fine. That whole sequence was just flat-out ridiculous. I was convinced for the first few minutes that it was a dream, but nope. Are we supposed to believe that actually happened? Even if we are, it would have taken months to set up the logistics (especially the neon sign and animatronic bird). GG was never really a show that we had to suspend disbelief for, but I guess it is now.

Overall thoughts? I really liked the story of Emily's transformation. Other than that, the rest of it was disappointing and poorly written.

Edited December 4, 2016 by cmfran
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[Jack Shaftoe]

That was bad. Like really, really, really bad. You know, totally not so great. For real, terrible. Horrible, horrible stuff.

Yes, I am trying to drive a point into ground like the million jokes that were repeated too many times in this joke, I mean, revival. Book or movie? That's the joke you want to repeat 17 times? Luke's Wi-Fi thing? First, it's not 2008, Amy, mobile internet should be a thing even in Stars Hollow. Second, Grumpy Luke would never have resorted to lying about the password in the first place, he would have either not had Wi-Fi in the first place or told anyone who asked for it to go look for another diner if they wanted internet access so much. Of course, in the revival Luke is so simple minded that I am surprised he managed to tie his shoes, let alone run a business.

So Rory's book is going to be fiction now? With the changed names and all that? That makes the chance of more than 100 people buying a little bigger but, as much as I learned to dislike Rory in the later seasons, I am sure she could have easily come up with something more creative than writing her family biography and thinking it would be so thrilling to read. Yeah, yeah, I know the meta point that we are all watching and discussing these same events that Rory is writing about but let's be honest, how many of us would read a Gilmore Girls book? It's a show that relies an awful lot on the charm and skill of the actors and on the beautiful scenery/sets. Plus, I very much doubt Rory can recall well and/or come up with sparkling dialogue that the show had in its heyday.

"Characters coming full circle" can so easily become self-indulgent plot rehashing and I think "You need money" came across as that. And I still can't believe any inn or hotel would want obnoxious Michel so much that Lorelai basically had to expand her inn to keep him.

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And honestly, why the hell isn't Rory a blogger?

Because someone might dare to write a negative comment and she will have no choice but to go steal a space ship in frustration?

Edited December 4, 2016 by Jack Shaftoe

[txhorns79]

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And I still can't believe any inn or hotel would want obnoxious Michel so much that Lorelai basically had to expand her inn to keep him.

I thought that Lorelai going into debt for the sake of keeping Michel at the Dragonfly was very Gilmore Girls, i.e. something more fantastical than practical that would be difficult to pull off in real life.  The reality is that expanding your business is costly and time consuming without a guarantee you'll get the money back that you put in.  It's likely Lorelai would need to spend the first years after building/renovating her annex paying off debts.  She'd have little left over money to pay Michel more, much less match or come close to what he would make at a multi-million dollar hotel chain. 

[Kohola3]

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She'd have little left over money to pay Michel more, much less match or come close to what he would make at a multi-million dollar hotel chain. There is a fine line between making a clever literary reference and being derivative. The goodbye was derivative and the overall writing got worse the more I thought about it. 

The ASP world of financial management.  Her story lines around money were ludicrous.

[DisneyBoy]

I definitely think Rory's book - like my love of this series - will focus on events from seasons 1 - 3. The rest won't make her look too good.

[tarotx]

7 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

I definitely think Rory's book - like my love of this series - will focus on events from seasons 1 - 3. The rest won't make her look too good.

Jess will swoop in and tell her exactly how to end the book.

[shron17]

1 hour ago, txhorns79 said:

The reality is that expanding your business is costly and time consuming without a guarantee you'll get the money back that you put in.  It's likely Lorelai would need to spend the first years after building/renovating her annex paying off debts.  She'd have little left over money to pay Michel more, much less match or come close to what he would make at a multi-million dollar hotel chain. 

Except that she asked Emily if she could use the money Richard specified for Luke's Diner empire.  Wouldn't that likely be enough to easily set up the 2nd location with a spa for Michel to run, and then possibly even more?  Besides, I think along with wanting more money Michel is also in search of more responsibility and fulfillment which he's much more like to get with Lorelai expanding the Dragonfly Inn than at a multi-million dollar chain.

37 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

I definitely think Rory's book - like my love of this series - will focus on events from seasons 1 - 3.

Don't forget Rory was almost 16 in season 1 and has years worth of stories before then about her crazy life in Stars Hollow with Lorelai.

On 11/30/2016 at 11:48 AM, solotrek said:

I do think Lorelai's ability to go out and do what she does have a lot to do with both privilege and entitlement.

It does in some ways, but I doubt if it's so common for someone to walk away from privilege and money to start all over, let alone with a child.  Lorelai did have a safety net but until Chilton seemed determined not to use it.  I've heard more stories of privileged and entitled youth who don't work hard and live their own dreams because of lack of motivation.

[Jack Shaftoe]

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Except that she asked Emily if she could use the money Richard specified for Luke's Diner empire.  Wouldn't that likely be enough to easily set up the 2nd location with a spa for Michel to run, and then possibly even more?  Besides, I think along with wanting more money Michel is also in search of more responsibility and fulfillment which he's much more like to get with Lorelai expanding the Dragonfly Inn than at a multi-million dollar chain.

The bolded might be the most implausible development in the entire revival.

[txhorns79]

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Wouldn't that likely be enough to easily set up the 2nd location with a spa for Michel to run, and then possibly even more?  Besides, I think along with wanting more money Michel is also in search of more responsibility and fulfillment which he's much more like to get with Lorelai expanding the Dragonfly Inn than at a multi-million dollar chain.

I would honestly think he'd have a lot more responsibility being in charge of a W Hotel in a major city than running a spa at an Inn with 10 rooms.         

[shron17]

20 minutes ago, Jack Shaftoe said:

The bolded might be the most implausible development in the entire revival.

For the Michel we met in the pilot?  Absolutely.  But not 50-year-old Michel who takes pride in how he makes his living and is married to someone who wants children  Time to grow up.

[starri]

4 minutes ago, shron17 said:

For the Michel we met in the pilot?  Absolutely.  But not 50-year-old Michel who takes pride in how he makes his living and is married to someone who wants children  Time to grow up.

Shame they couldn't have given Lorelai and Rory that same mission.

[Jack Shaftoe]

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For the Michel we met in the pilot? 

No, for the Michel we saw throughout the entire series except the revival. Sure, ten years is a lot of time but such radical off-screen changes in personality are bound to feel unearned. Not just his sudden desire for career progression but also agreeing to have kids. Why does every TV character have to sooner or later capitulate on this issue? Some people neither like, nor want kids and there is nothing wrong with that. Many people are also perfectly content with lesser paying jobs, where they also have less responsibilities, more free time and in Michel's case, an extremely forgiving boss, the likes of which is very had to find. We saw that Michel hadn't grown up past extremely unprofessional behaviour because he was so rude to his potential replacements during the job interviews, so why should I believe he had changed so much in other respects?

Edited December 4, 2016 by Jack Shaftoe

[starri]

2 minutes ago, Jack Shaftoe said:

Not just his sudden desire for career progression but also agreeing to have kids.

At one point did he agree to have kids?  He just seemed to grudgingly go along with his (unseen) husband's desires.  

[Jack Shaftoe]

Okay, he didn't explicitly agree to have kids but that's where the story seemed to be headed.

[shron17]

I think the 10 years between 40 and 50 can prompt one to change quite a bit, especially when marriage is involved.  Also, I think Michel's going to be a great dad.  Didn't he hate "the animal kingdom" before he got his chows?

[Melancholy]

I always thought Michele was ambitious and wanted responsibility and prestige. He just had this split where he wanted to be in a job that demanded social graces and people skills even though he hates people. It's fucked up but I know people like this. Frankly, I thought it was weirder in the OS that he'd want to leave his fashionable W job with Celine in the lobby to go be the bottom boy in a three person team managing a nice but small kitschy inn that always had little hope to bag Jennifer Lawrence. 

[txhorns79]

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I think the 10 years between 40 and 50 can prompt one to change quite a bit, especially when marriage is involved.  Also, I think Michel's going to be a great dad. 

I can't imagine the nightmare it would be to be in my 60s, and still have a teenager living at home.  I know people still have kids into their 50s, but I think even the best parents are going to run into major problems with that. 

[readster]

30 minutes ago, Jack Shaftoe said:

No, for the Michel we saw throughout the entire series except the revival. Sure, ten years is a lot of time but such radical off-screen changes in personality are bound to feel unearned. Not just his sudden desire for career progression but also agreeing to have kids. Why does every TV character have to sooner or later capitulate on this issue? Some people neither like, nor want kids and there is nothing wrong with that. Many people are also perfectly content with lesser paying jobs, where they also have less responsibilities, more free time and in Michel's case, an extremely forgiving boss, the likes of which is very had to find. We saw that Michel hadn't grown up past extremely unprofessional behaviour because he was so rude to his potential replacements during the job interviews, so why should I believe he had changed so much in other respects?

That was the problem. Him getting married and a man wanting children or even "had" children could have prompt Michel to be: "Well, I'm not getting any younger and not like I down right hate kids!" Much like with Kirk and Lulu now thinking of having kids? I mean they've been together close to nine years. The subject never came up? I think it would have worked better if they had at least one kid and Kirk wasn't sure and explains if he could have a kid and a pet pig. He might be able to pull off having kid number two when he is in his early 40s and Lulu is younger and could be their last chance. Something besides finances in AS-P's world. How people had, or didn't have kids never made sense in a lot of ways. I mean least with Lane and Zach the twins were not planned, and after everything, they kept it that way. However, we never got enough insights in that outside of while Zach has all his hair, he still doesn't know how to dress or shave. The twins were props or slaves to Lorelei and Rory and Gill was dressing for rehearsal the way he was for gigs. Especially when he never did that before, when we saw Gill he was very standard wear except for concerts. He said it best: "I have a business to run and a family to raise." "Have to look some what casual." 

  I mean Dean can have ended up married a second time, two kids another on the way and very happy where he is in life and has moved on. Rory saw would could have been if she wouldn't have been so selfish or stupid. Yet, Jess is still doing his indie press and basically teaching Luke more about life. What about his half sister? How about the fact that April and Rory seemed like they had a relationship in Summer but then it never gets brought up or anything? Why didn't Lorelei just slowly start getting into the times with the Dragon Fly and started expanding slowly? Logic never applies in Gilmore Girls or the creators feel we need more of David Sutffcliff, Taylor, 45 minute musicals or Sutton Burton instead of actual characters and stories the audience cares about. 

[ShadowFacts]

1 hour ago, Melancholy said:

I always thought Michele was ambitious and wanted responsibility and prestige. He just had this split where he wanted to be in a job that demanded social graces and people skills even though he hates people. It's fucked up but I know people like this. Frankly, I thought it was weirder in the OS that he'd want to leave his fashionable W job with Celine in the lobby to go be the bottom boy in a three person team managing a nice but small kitschy inn that always had little hope to bag Jennifer Lawrence. 

He was never shown to want to do a lick of work.  Now he cares about Lorelei not firing chefs, but I don't know how much more than that he has progressed in the wanting to work department.  As far as kids, I don't know, the "how much did that sound like a child molester" makes me wonder.  He's usually not self-effacing.  He may be saying I'm working on this but I need more practice, or he may be saying hell no, it's not for me.

[Melancholy]

30 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

He was never shown to want to do a lick of work.  Now he cares about Lorelei not firing chefs, but I don't know how much more than that he has progressed in the wanting to work department.  As far as kids, I don't know, the "how much did that sound like a child molester" makes me wonder.  He's usually not self-effacing.  He may be saying I'm working on this but I need more practice, or he may be saying hell no, it's not for me.

Michele worked. There were a bunch of scenes where he'd be right alongside Lorelai solving a problem. He was Exposition Guy a bunch of times to Lorelai to bring her up to speed on Inn problems because he was in the thick of the mechanics. Particularly the S5 episode where Michele knows the matts haven't come in, Sookie has no replacement, what every kitchen staff guy does, the skiers who got lost, etc. all before Lorelai. He gets passionate about his ideas and beliefs on how the Inn should function and some important times even wins- the end of S3 when the burned damaged Independence Inn tries the B&B gimmick or making the repair list with Lorelai because he so prized that part of work,

He mainly tries to avoid dealing with quirky tourists. Which, yes, was a big part of his job. However that's all the more reason on how being more of an organization guy at an aggressively chic hotel could be more his speed. 

Although I think Michele is just a guy who'll always complain in his professional life. It's just how he functions. If he wasn't bitching about dealing with weird rubes, he'd be complaining that no one appreciates him at a big chain and the corporate rules are dumb. 

Edited December 4, 2016 by Melancholy

[ShadowFacts]

10 minutes ago, Melancholy said:

Michele worked. There were a bunch of scenes where he'd be right alongside Lorelai solving a problem. He was Exposition Guy a bunch of times to Lorelai to bring her up to speed on Inn problems because he was in the thick of the mechanics. Particularly the S5 episode where Michele knows the matts haven't come in, Sookie has no replacement, what every kitchen staff guy does, the skiers who got lost, etc. all before Lorelai. He gets passionate about his ideas and beliefs on how the Inn should function and some important times even wins- the end of S3 when the burned damaged Independence Inn tries the B&B gimmick or making the repair list with Lorelai because he so prized that part of work,

He mainly tries to avoid dealing with quirky tourists. Which, yes, was a big part of his job. However that's all the more reason on how being more of an organization guy at an aggressively chic hotel could be more his speed. 

Although I think Michele is just a guy who'll always complain in his professional life. It's just how he functions. If he wasn't bitching about dealing with weird rubes, he'd be complaining that no one appreciates him at a big chain and the corporate rules are dumb. 

I'm sure your memory is much keener than mine.  I haven't seen those episodes in ages.  My memory of him revolves on him being distasteful of working, and I am thinking of him not wanting to answer the phone, and of the time he was pretty jealous of that guy Tobin? and the things he did which made him look sort of lesser in comparison.  I always liked him (Michel, not Tobin) and thought he had some of the funniest lines, along with Paris and Mrs. Kim, but I didn't think he was much of a worker. 

[cantbeflapped]

Speaking of Michel, I just finished my rewatch of the revival and tried to catch everyone's facial expressions during the wedding scene.  If you haven't yet, go back and watch Michel's....Aww!

I wouldn't overthink Michel and Lane being there.  In real life it probably had to do with which actors were available and made some sense.  And for Luke and Lorelai they probably chose two witnesses from their circle of friends who were available and made some sense.  I agree I would have loved Sookie there...but Michel was great too.  (I do love Michel.)

I love Emily walking up and planting a kiss on Richard's portrait as Lorelai is about to marry Luke.  

I love the satisfied, sweet look on Kirk's face when he gets Lorelai's text.  I'm a sucker for sweet Kirk moments, so this was a perfect last Kirk scene for me.  

I always loved the end of Bon Voyage....so well done.  But I love the end of Fall just as much or better.  

[DisneyBoy]

Did anyone else find the wedding decor generic and odd? Why the Bunhead-style ballet dancers? Why the Alice in Wonderland door? Why the hat and step ladder?

[cantbeflapped]

2 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Did anyone else find the wedding decor generic and odd? Why the Bunhead-style ballet dancers? Why the Alice in Wonderland door? Why the hat and step ladder?

I found it odd but not generic.  The Alice theme continued, I think.  There was at least one teapot hanging in the greenery with the hats.  And I guess the hats are mad hatter?  (Confession....I've never seen or read Alice in Wonderland).  

The ballet dancers....total whimsy I think.  It helps me settle on my fanwank, though, that the Prewedding took place in the early morning hours of the actual wedding day.  (Miss Patty was teaching an early morning class).  I know that theory has problems too...just the thought of Lorelai staying up all night drinking seems strange.  Ah, but now I remember Emily sitting there having an evening glass of wine.  Shoot...there goes my fanwank.  

[txhorns79]

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Ah, but now I remember Emily sitting there having an evening glass of wine.  Shoot...there goes my fanwank.  

The harsh truth of the revival is that it was early morning and Emily had become a day drinker. 

[cantbeflapped]

12 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

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The harsh truth of the revival is that it was early morning and Emily had become a day drinker. 

Afternoon sherry and early morning wine.  

[FictionLover]

2 hours ago, cantbeflapped said:

I found it odd but not generic.  The Alice theme continued, I think.  There was at least one teapot hanging in the greenery with the hats.  

The ballet dancers....total whimsy I think.  

I believe the hat Lorelax put on was ASPs.

I wondered if the ballet dancers were really Luke's flash mob :)

[DisneyBoy]

I knew the hats (I saw several) were all about ASP - but they had nothing to do with Lorelai, Luke or these movies.

Again: odd.

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Gilmore Girls: A Year In The Life Makes It Clear Who The Show's True Protagonist Is

And Nick Rheinwald-Jones is not a crackpot, but he's sure it isn't Lorelai or Rory.

[FictionLover]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 6:15 PM, BellyLaughter said:

I've always thought it would be quite the trip to spend 5 minutes inside Scott Patterson's head....he's a little odd....

And now he releases his music video to further confirm this.

[limecoke]

Just finished the series last night and have been mulling it over for awhile.  I think the key for me was in ASP's post-series comment that the Netflix revival was meant for the story to come full-circle and parallel Lorelei's story.  Hence the pregnancy-even though it comes 10 years too late.  But that comment helped me understand some of the things that were going on (at least in my strange brain).  The whole town musical thing made no sense whatsoever but could have been used to help move along Lorelei's story of dissatisfaction and get her going on the whole "Wild" thing and her "revelation" while looking over the hills of California.  It seems she realized that her job with Rory was finished and she could finally have what she realized she always wanted - a happy life with Luke. The sequence I hated the most was the strange Alice sequence with Rory, Logan and his three stupid friends.  I truly hated it, but it seems like that was Rory's realization that Logan was exactly the same as he'd been at Yale.  Still a child, still spending money recklessly, still doing Daddy's bidding and following the dynastic plan, showing no growth whatsoever and wasn't someone she wanted in her life.  Rory liked that stuff too but she knew she couldn't live that sort of life forever.  Not sure if she knew she was having a child at that point but if she did, it makes even more sense.  I'm convinced she knew when she went to see Christopher.

Rory's life had always been in Stars Hollow and as much as she went on and on about Harvard and eventually Yale, in spite of her ambitions and desire to be another Christiane Amanpour-a huge success for her mother, Grandmother and Grandfather, she just wanted to be in Stars Hollow.  She self-sabatoged every interview she had, witnessed the wreckage of the life of her high school and college friend.  Paris was successful but had no happiness in her children, her estranged husband or her home (she couldn't go upstairs!!).  Rory was ALWAYS meant to end up in Stars Hollow.  

So, if I were looking at these characters 10 years in the future, based on ASP's own words, here's what I think I'd see: Luke and Lorelei, happy and living in Stars Hollow.  Lorelei helping raise her grandchild and running an expanded Dragonfly Inn with Michel.  Luke would be running Luke's.  Rory with a 10-year-old daughter named Lorelei.  Yes, ASP, she had choices but so did her Mother.  Her mom chose to have her child and so would Rory...parallel, remember?  The man in her life would be...Jess.  It was never going to be anyone but Jess.  Again...parallel.  Whether or not they are married doesn't really matter but if the parallel theory holds, probably not. That would come later.   Rory and Jess writing books and running the Gazette which is finally a successful small-town newspaper.  Logan would probably know he has a child but would be like Christopher, sometimes around, most of the time not.  That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.  

It's hard to say whether or not I liked "A Year in the Life" - parts were good, parts were ludicrous, but the best storyline was Emily's.  It was beautifully done, heart-wrenching and as always, Kelly Bishop gave an outstanding performance.  Time to give her an Emmy.

P.S. The portrayal of the DAR in GG and especially, "Fall", is completely ridiculous and entirely fictional.  It looks like a social club for rich, snobby women who pass judgment on anyone trying to enter their hallowed circle.  There is criteria to join and it has to do with ancestors involved in the American Revolution.  My mother, all my aunts and most of my cousins have joined.  I chose not to because I'm not, by nature a joiner, but my family members are not snobbish or rich.  At all.  ASP did a terrible and very insulting job of portraying this organization.

Edited December 9, 2016 by limecoke

[Kohola3]

48 minutes ago, limecoke said:

It looks like a social club for rich, snobby women who pass judgment on anyone trying to enter their hallowed circle.

Yeah, the running DAR joke was really demeaning to an organization that does a lot of good works.  They give out a ton of scholarships and promote historical preservation.   Money and societal ranking really don't play into membership.

[jeansheridan]

Because I am not made of stone, if Kirk was only in this new version to create that wedding set, then I'm good with Kirk being back.  I never liked him much but that was an impressive use of glitter and glue gun.  And I love the Alice in Wonderland theme.  Plus I love that Lane and Michel were witnesses.  That was a lovely addition to include them.

I may have watched that scene a few times.  It was kind of magical.  And I hope she picked ALL the cakes.  And why not? 

[Taryn74]

4 minutes ago, jeansheridan said:

And I hope she picked ALL the cakes.  And why not? 

I do too!  That's exactly the kind of magical quirk I expect in Stars Hollow.  

[jeansheridan]

On 11/30/2016 at 8:22 AM, Bumblebee Tights said:

On 11/30/2016 at 5:56 AM, solotrek said:

Who would buy a nonfiction book of the lives of non-celebrities who had their greatest achievements because of privilege and entitlement? I hated Wild, but that has more of a struggle and journey than the Gilmore story. These type of books only sell if the person is famous like an actor, established author (Stephen King's On Writing), blogger, or youtuber.

I mean..there are books like Wild and Eat Pray Love that have been hugely successful, even though I agree, those books have more of a 'hook' and aren't really straight memoirs.

Bill Bryson, Joan Didion, and Augusten Burroughs also come to mind as best selling nonfiction writers who don't really have great hooks other than they're good writers.  Bryson in particular is so not gritty.  He really seems to come from another era of writers. 

Also don't underestimate the power of Rory being pretty.  If possible an author ought to be handsome or beautiful.  It really does help. 

[Kohola3]

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 Bryson in particular is so not gritty.  He really seems to come from another era of writers. 

My favorite.  I have every one of his books.  ASP should have 1/200th of his talent.  

And I thought that whole book idea was beyond ludicrous.  There is no real story there, nothing that would compel me to buy it - single mom runs away from rich parents, manages to make a few bucks and raise an floundering illegitimate kid.  Not exactly a grabber.  Unless, of course, it was written by Bryson. 

[peggy06]

On 11/25/2016 at 11:31 PM, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

It also didn't bother me that they cheated on other people. Logan's marriage is/will be a marriage of convenience, that must was clear. That is the kind of world he comes from. 

This seems to me to be kind of an outdated notion, more suited to Downton Abbey than a series set in 2016. I'm not saying ASP didn't write it intentionally, but it strikes me as a silly romance novel trope.  Do businesses really operate on dynastic principle nowadays? Also, Odette was living with Logan when she was in London. We see her sleeping in the bed when Rory calls him. IDK but somehow that doesn't scream "arranged marriage" to me.

[hippielamb]

4 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

My favorite.  I have every one of his books.  ASP should have 1/200th of his talent.  

And I thought that whole book idea was beyond ludicrous.  There is no real story there, nothing that would compel me to buy it - single mom runs away from rich parents, manages to make a few bucks and raise an floundering illegitimate kid.  Not exactly a grabber.  Unless, of course, it was written by Bryson. 

Perhaps but we have all spent considerable time watching that same premise on this show. Rory planned on including Dean (and most likely her other boyfriends). A chapter or two on Yale, leaving school, and then going back to graduate near the top of her class. Her beloved grandfather's death, and the effect on all the Gilmore girls. Ending with realizing that journalism was not for Rory and she would be happier writing books, running the paper, or whatever else she chose to do, in addition to being a single parent. 

[Kohola3]

8 minutes ago, hippielamb said:

Perhaps but we have all spent considerable time watching that same premise on this show.

Maybe it's just me but what made the show watchable was the cast and the direction.  In a book would we experience the whole rapid fire walk-and-talk between Lorelai and Rory?  See the gyrations involved in Luke's rants?  Feel the icy chill of the elder Gilmore's when annoyed?  She'd have to write like Hemingway to make a Big Book of My Life interesting.  If it's just full of the same crap she spouted in her commencement speech I'd say it would have a very limited audience.

I've seen a number of books-to-movies films and they are all radically different.  Not that I like one genre more than the other but, in my mind. they do not equate at all.

[hippielamb]

8 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

Maybe it's just me but what made the show watchable was the cast and the direction.  In a book would we experience the whole rapid fire walk-and-talk between Lorelai and Rory?  See the gyrations involved in Luke's rants?  Feel the icy chill of the elder Gilmore's when annoyed?  She'd have to write like Hemingway to make a Big Book of My Life interesting.  If it's just full of the same crap she spouted in her commencement speech I'd say it would have a very limited audience.

I've seen a number of books-to-movies films and they are all radically different.  Not that I like one genre more than the other but, in my mind. they do not equate at all.

What if the show of Gilmore girls is an adaptation of Rory's book? 

I agree that the cast brings it alive. I have read transcripts for something I wanted to quote here, and was struck how the words seem meaner when written out. Like Lorelai's attitude in that diner she and Rory went to in season 3 during her rift with Luke. Watching LG say the words was funny but they are not so cute without seeing Lauren and Alexis act them out. 

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47 minutes ago, hippielamb said:

What if the show of Gilmore girls is an adaptation of Rory's book? 

That's exactly what I think they were going for. 

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15 minutes ago, pennben said:

That's exactly what I think they were going for. 

Yeah. They even made a big deal about gettings things to film in Stars Hallow. 

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23 hours ago, peggy06 said:

This seems to me to be kind of an outdated notion, more suited to Downton Abbey than a series set in 2016. I'm not saying ASP didn't write it intentionally, but it strikes me as a silly romance novel trope.  Do businesses really operate on dynastic principle nowadays? Also, Odette was living with Logan when she was in London. We see her sleeping in the bed when Rory calls him. IDK but somehow that doesn't scream "arranged marriage" to me.

I don't think that the Mitchum/Shira marriage was arranged dynastically. I too didn't get the feeling that Logan was being forced into marrying Odette. Sadly, because Odette wasn't made real to us in the sense that she was barely seen, we'll never know. 

[Eeksquire]

I don't think the Huntzberger marriages are "arranged" per se, so much as the match has to be "appropriate", as discussed in the disastrous dinner when Honor announced her engagement.  "Appropriate" meaning, I think, that the wife in question needs to be willing to subvert her whole existence to the clan and basically commit to being a socialite.  Rory didn't make the cut because she wanted to work.

Of course, in hindsight, at this point, she might be entirely appropriate, given the state of her career.

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2 minutes ago, Eeksquire said:

basically commit to being a socialite

Which was ironic given that when she dropped out of Yale, she did commit to her civic volunteering and was quite good at it. 

I don't think a "socialite" was what the Huntzbergs were looking for, but they did want someone whose interests were mostly if not entirely in line with theirs. So if Rory had decided to work with a political group that was at odds with the family, that wouldn't have been acceptable. But the DAR? Fine.

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I don't think the Huntzberger marriages are "arranged" per se, so much as the match has to be "appropriate", as discussed in the disastrous dinner when Honor announced her engagement.

With a glaring exception - Shira the cocktail waitress or whatever the heck she was.  Pot meet kettle.

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8 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

With a glaring exception - Shira the cocktail waitress or whatever the heck she was.  Pot meet kettle.

Exactly! Especially when Mitchum apparently was doing stuff on the side and Shira knew and as Emily put it: "Why you keep losing and gaining weight constantly." or my favorite: "How you ever landed Mitchum Huntzberger and had two children with him, I'll never know!" 

[Ziz]

Looks like Mitchum was right about Rory all along...she doesn't have "it". Maybe if people hadn't been so obsessed with shooting rainbows up her ass, someone might have said "well, honey, he is an expert. Not saying you have to believe him, but you could take his opinion seriously and consider whether journalism is for you." Instead of "But you're RORY! Mitchum, media mogul knows nothing about who is good at journalism or not."