Marriage Boot Camp - General Discussion

[ginger90]

Didn't watch but saw a picture of Debra receiving a noose as a gift? What the heck was the context of this?

[TGinKY]

Can someone give a rundown of the "presents"? I saw some, but I was cooking so the show was basically background noise. Thanks

[toodywoody]

Michael  Farrah's dad got a set of balls. Deborah got a noose. They didn't show Farrah's because she ran out with her fake crying. Chad's mom got horseshit, Chad got nothing. The hot tempered brother got handcuffs and threw a fit over them. Situation got drugs and I can't remember what the other brother got. Kendra's mom got tabloids and I can't remember what Kendra got. 

[MissMel]

Kendra got a voodoo doll with Hank's face attached.  I think Kendra's mom got stacks of cash also, didn't she?  Maximo got a jar with leeches in it.

[MissMel]

On 4/28/2017 at 1:33 AM, NowVoyager said:

I'm going to need someone to watch the show & report back the hell kinda drugs Chad "Ochocinco's" mama is on. Thanks.

Not sure but they made this wall hanging from a newspaper interview Ochocinco gave:

[backformore]

I couldn't get over the segments where the "doctors" were talking to the cameras.  Dr V,  with that overdone makeup, orange lipstick, and shiny satin ruffled shirt, trying so hard to be taken seriously.  She looked ridiculous.

[Jamie Satyr]

On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 10:06 AM, Meowwww said:

Omg.  Farrah is awful.  Attitude.  She has turned herself into a blonde kardashian. And her mom is desperately trying to keep up, having her own surgeries and wearing clothes that are WAY age inappropriate. 

Count me in to watch this train wreck!

I can only take a few minutes at a time! These people are all certifiable! The mom need serious psychiatric care to treat their kids the way they do! I'd run! ;-)

[Spiderella2]

Why is Ocho Cinco so skinny? He used to be more muscular. Guess once he stopped playing in the NFL he let himself go.  He is acting so different, maybe he intends this show to fuel his "comeback". His mom is really a piece of work. Wow, she ripped him a new one on his 'illegitimates'. 

Edited May 6, 2017 by Spiderella2
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[FairyDusted]

Naked Debra ! OMG! I think OC can take Farrah down no problem. Kendra again? I guess she didn't "Rise UP!" 

[MissMel]

Spoiler

On the next episode:  Debz says she's having a panic attack.  All three of them are in water.  I'm not sure that's a very good idea...

 

 

 

[Calm81]

On 5/8/2017 at 2:28 AM, FairyDusted said:

Naked Debra ! OMG! I think OC can take Farrah down no problem. Kendra again? I guess she didn't "Rise UP!" 

I wonder what Michael's Girlfriend thought about knowing Deb was sleeping naked in the same room he was sleeping in, and second, if my mom slept naked in the same room I was sleeping in I'd be traumatized. Holy crap! I might be seeing why Farrah is the way she is, and Deborah needs to find some age appropriate clothing because it's really embarrassing.

Chad's mother was getting on my last damn nerve. I know someone who acts like that every time things aren't going their way, and this person is also 65 and it's childish.

Kendra was overacting in some scenes. Like, if you knew what to expect with this show don't act all shocked and overly emotional going through the exercises they give.

The trio brothers got on my last nerve, also. I felt bad for the one brother they keep picking on.

I think the only person that didn't annoy me was Chad. I felt bad for him with his mother not wanting to be grandma to his "illegitimate" children. Regardless if he's playing Johnny Appleseed, it's not the kid's fault and I'm sure they'd love to have a grandma. I'm still catching up on this so I may be out of place with some of my comments.

I'm hooked, lol. I found this show because of Teen Mom OG and I wanted to check out Farrah's scenes.

[FairyDusted]

Come on in @Calm81 The water is fine! 

[beesknees]

I'm going to get real petty.  I cannot stand Dr. V's weird, deep, radio voice.  It grates.  I also cringe every time someone says "Dr. Ish".

When I was growing up my mom used to say "Oh, ish!" when she was referring to something unpleasant (a.k.a. - "Oh yuck/yucky!")

There is a special place in hell for Farrah.  I am not joking.  She has to be one of the most hated reality stars in the history of ever.

I feel sorry for Chad Ocho.  Kudos to the production person/staff member who thought the horse shit was the ideal gift for Chad's POS ecxuse for a mother.  I hate her almost as much as I hate Farrah's fake over blown diaper ass.

Edited May 11, 2017 by beesknees

[rmcrae]

On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 11:36 PM, toodywoody said:

Holy shit, Farrah is a fucking drama queen. If your mother beat the shit out of you, why would you have your daughter in her care? I want to hear from Michael on the matter. I know Deborah is a whack job but seriously.

THANK YOU! I've been wondering that myself and have yet to hear an answer. I wouldn't be surprised if Deb was emotionally or verbally abusive to Farrah growing up, but I don't believe her stories about extreme physical abuse. Farrah was on another show a few years ago with another TV quack who said Farrah's tales were the worst cases of child abuse she'd ever heard in her entire career. *eye roll* Farrah is such a piece of shit to her parents and Deb's so pathetic putting up with her so she can get free plastic surgery and travel.

Edited May 13, 2017 by rmcrae

[renatae]

This has to be the sorriest group ever to appear on this trainwreck - and of course, that's saying a lot! Ochocinco's mom is certifiable, and Farrah's mom? Good grief, is she a teenager?  "I have to leave because I've neglected my boyfriend and he has big news." Is her boyfriend a pre-teen? Do either of them have the maturity of a five year old that they can't do this after this camp? I think she is most likely lying, and either way, what a poor excuse for a parent.

Of course, Farrah is a jerk, but she seems to come by that honestly, courtesy of Debra. I like Chad and I think his mom's over the top rejection of him is horrible. He's probably playing Johnny Appleseed (credit Calm81) so he has some real family, because this witch will never fit the bill. I also rather like Maximo.

Edited May 13, 2017 by renatae

[tinaw]

My question for Farah;

Why would you leave your own kid with your abusive mother. 

I don't think there was physical abuse. I think Farah is the verbal abuser of her mother

[MissMel]

Marriage Boot Camp grabs:

These are from their 'one-on-one' session with Dr. V.  They are discussing the physical abuse that has Farrah so pissed off at DebZ.  Deb says, "That is not true. Correcting someone is not physical abuse."  Farrah says, "Sure, if we want to beat Farrah with a fucking belt-then let's do it.  If I'm gonna grab her and make sure she stands here to get fucking disciplined, which is beyond it,..."  

Deb cuts her off and says that 'never, ever happened'.  Farrah's reaction:

 

 

Michael cuts in and says, "Debra and her mom would never let me discipline my daughter."  I think I now know where DebZ got her anti-Christ attitude that she accuses Farrah of having.  Spare the rod, and all.  

[Uncle JUICE]

22 minutes ago, MissMel said:

 

 

 

 

 

What is the source of the hair on her shoulders? It almost looks like a human hair shawl, it's completely disassociated from her head. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by Uncle JUICE

[MissMel]

Then farrah calls her mother and 'evil son of a bitch' and tells her she should stay the fuck away from any kids.  (Farrah previously said "and look at me now, I have my daughter around this.")  This part of the show is actually quite interesting, even though Farrah mostly looks like this during the meeting:

And DebZ mostly looks like this:

Deb did apologize for spanking Farrah and traumatizing her.  But it was little half-assed because she said she was sorry if she didn't understand that by spanking Farrah, she traumatized her.  Which, not bad, it could have been worse.  It sounds like the session took a while.  The whole house heard them screaming and fighting for "what? 2or 3 hours?".  Michael and Farrah said they didn't know but it was a long time.  Then they all get called to change clothes and go the pool.  

19 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

What is the source of the hair on her shoulders? It almost looks like a human hair shawl, it's completely disassociated from her head. 

Haha, I didn't notice that in that picture.  It's pinned back in some odd way, right behind her neck.  It poofs out at the top.  It's an odd look, for sure.

[EmeraldGirl]

After Debra said the belt stuff never happened she then said she was sorry for using the belt. Wtf? Farrah needs to get over it already, but Debra is a Trump style liar. Bold and calm and right to your face. She's creepy. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by EmeraldGirl

[Booger666]

Thanks for taking one for team, MissMel!  

Does Farrah accuse Michael of physically abusing her, not stopping Deb from abusing her or nothing?  Does Farrah say her age during the years of physical abuse?

It's scary that there is some kernel of truth in there and Farrah let Deb around Sophia for so long.  I don't think anything has happened between Deb and Sophia, but allowing for the potential for it to happen is shocking.

I wonder what Farrah's sister has to say about this. I remember seeing her in the beginning of TM, but haven't seen her in years. 

[Cocoa Puff]

Farrah is too young to have a face so messed up.

[FairyDusted]

Man I don't think I've heard Mother Fucker used as many times as Paula has said it. I think The Abrahams are on that list to feel that wrath.

Edited May 17, 2017 by FairyDusted
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[MissMel]

On 5/15/2017 at 11:48 AM, Booger666 said:

Does Farrah accuse Michael of physically abusing her, not stopping Deb from abusing her or nothing?  Does Farrah say her age during the years of physical abuse?

I haven't heard Farrah accuse Michael.  I think she now understands why he kept quiet? (Emotionally shutdown being the only way he knew how to survive Debz? Not sure, but that's the impression I got from his talk with Dr. Ish.)  Michael said Debz and her mother wouldn't let him discipline his daughter.  Farrah didn't dispute that.  I got the feeling she was referring to her mother and grandmother holding her still, beating her with a belt.  Pure speculation on my part, at this point.  (Plus she seems to have eased up on Michael a bit on Teen Mom at the moment.)  No age was mentioned by any of them.

[toodywoody]

I want to hear more from Michael about what went on. I think that yes Debra spanked Farrah and maybe it did get out of hand but I dont think it is as bad as Farrah makes it out to be. I can see Debra losing her shit and being out of control, like her daughter is at times, but wouldn't there have been more stories and cops called if she literally beat the shit out of Farrah?

[guilfoyleatpp]

Debz is a lying liar who lies. Every word out of her mouth is calculated to make her not seem like a monster.  And absolutely, correcting your child with a damn belt is abuse.  There are few places left in the US where hitting your child with an object that is not your hand is NOT abuse. Wait...that was confusing. In most places hitting your child with an object is abuse.  There we go. Fixed it.

I can see why Farrah flips shit on a dime with that one around...constantly trying to rewrite history, deny deny deny. That would drive me insane with rage and I'm not a rage-y person. Farrah is not a nice or thoughtful person, but with that crazy floating around...I can see how it happened.

I do think the "my boyfriend is calling and I must go" was manufactured for the show. It feels completely fake, just another set up for Debz to try to "decide" if her relationship with her boyfriend or daughter is more important.

Kenda's mom seems not-awful at times, so I get that they could be legitimate and that Kendra could feel like there are times when her mom is normal and not someone who sells stories about her daughter to tabloids to get money.

I'm still not 100% sure what's going on with the Jersey brothers. That cheetah print speedo, tho...lol

[Rebecca]

Everyone on this show sucks...save for maybe Frank and, apparently, Chad. I don't know anything about Chad but what I've seen on this show. It seems surprising he abused someone...he seems calm and not in a crazy seething under the surface in secret kind of way. Based on his mother it would be easy for him to be one angry "motherfucker." His "mom" is a real piece of work. 

I still can't stand looking at or watching "The Situation" and Kendra is an annoying attention whore..why else would she go on this show?! Clearly her mom is not good for her. Mike and his brother are awful to their other brother. I was impressed to see Farrah say something when they were picking on him...I didn't think she saw anyone but herself.

I'm watching this for Farrah and her family...it's fascinating to finally get a shred of understanding as to their dynamic and how Farrah ended up as she is. I feel like a little bit of realness is leaking out even though the whole family is usually full of shit. 

I just gave in and watched this show today for the first time after reading about what had happened so far in Farrah's thread in the Teen Mom OG board. I'm already all caught up! It's true even though she is so reviled and nasty, Farrah brings ratings. as does batshit Debra/Debz.

Edited May 19, 2017 by Rebecca

[StatisticalOutlier]

In the talking-head type sequences where Kendra and her mother are sitting there, Kendra looks just like Honey Boo-Boo's mom June, with the raccoon eyes and crispy blond hair and even something about her mouth.  And those are two I never previously would have considered candidates for "separated at birth."

[eskimo]

Did I see Michael smack Kendra on the ass after she scored a point?  Pretty sure I did and it skeeved me out, made him seem like a perv to me for the first time. 

[GreatKazu]

Since the Farrah chatter has been moved here from Teen Mom, I guess I will post here. 

I still maintain Farrah is bullshitting about the abuse. Growing up in the 70s you know how many kids I grew up with were hit by a belt? Lots of them, and to this day they don't see it as abuse. They said it kept them in check. I wasn't one of them, thankfully. I was dealt consequences like not being able to use my phone or watch television for a week. But in that era hitting a child with a belt, a shoe, a flyswatter, etc. wasn't seen as abuse. Deb may have grown up with that same mentality. No excuse, just trying to point out what she learned growing up. 

I guess I am in the minority about Chad. I loathe the guy. I don't take kindly to people who inflict DV upon their loved one. He was granted a shitty mother in life, that is no excuse for him inflicting physical abuse on women. I am sure there were more victims than the one he was married to. 

I can't take Kendra and her mother. How many of these shows are they going to go on and get paid for just to continue this bullshit? They are like Farrah and her mother. Either you want your mother in your life or not. If you do, get into real therapy and work on it. Otherwise, your children are watching this shit play out and it is not healthy for them. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

8 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I still maintain Farrah is bullshitting about the abuse. Growing up in the 70s you know how many kids I grew up with were hit by a belt? Lots of them, and to this day they don't see it as abuse. They said it kept them in check. I wasn't one of them, thankfully. I was dealt consequences like not being able to use my phone or watch television for a week. But in that era hitting a child with a belt, a shoe, a flyswatter, etc. wasn't seen as abuse. Deb may have grown up with that same mentality. No excuse, just trying to point out what she learned growing up.

I'm the same age as Debra and grew up in the 60s and was hit with a belt.  It wasn't a lot, but it did happen--kind of an enhanced spanking.  I wouldn't call it "abuse" despite my abhorrence of the practice.  But my parents were not abnormal mentally ill nutcases like Debra, so I cut them a little slack, and can see how Farrah might not be so inclined.   Plus maybe Debra did it a lot--I wouldn't believe either one's version unless they matched 100%.

I can say I would never in a million years hit anyone with a belt, period, and will judge Debra harshly for doing so.  We all learn plenty of things when growing up that don't need to be perpetuated.

[Booger666]

Also a child of the 70s and know kids were given the belt back then. The thing that gives me pause is that I read upthread that Gma would hold Farrah down while Deb used the belt. If this is true it crosses over from "tough love" to abuse for me. The kids i knew who got belted usually got 1-3 times, more of a hard smack than a whipping. The holding down implies a real beating, and given the crazy pseudo Christianity they profess I wouldn't be surprised if Deb wasn't trying to 'beat the evil out of her'. This is all speculation because Deb and Farrah are known liars. It also seems odd to me that they keep putting little bits of the story out there, but never the whole story. They are both fame whores and I would think one of them would've tried to put a PSA / redemption spin with whole story out there by now. 

[Rebecca]

Lots of things that were considered "normal" or however it should be phrased, in the past are no longer acceptable. Just because once it was more socially acceptable to hit your kids doesn't mean it was ever right. At one point in time it was perfectly acceptable to beat your wife as well. I'm sure there are people who were hit with belts and the like as kids who DO see it as abuse. 

It's a shame Farrah has told so many lies at this point because obviously SOMETHING happened but there are no credible people to explain to us WHAT that was.

[GreatKazu]

I noted in my post it is not an excuse nor did I point out it was acceptable. I pointed out it was more of an understanding of what era Deb grew up in. She herself might have been beaten by her own mother. Still, with all the lies Farrah has told up until this point, I can't take her word that she was so physically abused that it was "the worst abuse ever heard" by the therapist on the Couple's Therapy show. Farrah also claimed her dead ex (Sophia's father) was abusive to her. She also accused her porn star co-star of rape while also accusing an uber driver of rape. She has made other claims where she happens to be the victim. Credibility is seriously lacking with this woman. 

At this point, does it really matter what happened? If these three nitwits are going to continue with these family therapy reality shows without ever taking it seriously, then there is nothing worth discussing or fixing. Farrah needs to either move on with her life and decide if her mother will be a part of it. If not, stop telling the damn woman to be your free babysitter and to stop being your free handyman. Michael is there because he pointed out in an Instagram post how Sophia needs a father figure in her life and that is why he puts up with Farrah's shit. So be it, Michael. You deserve what you tolerate. 

[MissMel]

Ok, Farrah is not the bastion of truth.  Don't forget, she wanted an abortion but her "christian" mother wouldn't hear of such a thing.  I got beat by a belt, too.  My father even apologized for being "mean" to us girls, back then.  Not once did that belt split my lip.  Never called 911, either.  Nobody held me down.  I'm on Farrah's side with this one.  She's crazy as hell and got some alternative to reality happening, but I don't think she's lying about this one.  

[GreatKazu]

@MissMel I know we have been over this like a fine tooth comb on the TM threads, but I will mention what was posted there. 

The attorney Farrah met with in his office told Farrah that Deb should not be the only in trouble for that altercation. Simply put, he was saying Farrah laid a hand upon Deb. Still, that doesn't mean Deb wasn't abusive to Farrah as a child. I just don't think Farrah was innocent in that assault matter. 

The onus is on Farrah now to ensure she gets the help she needs to move forward in life. It is also her responsibility to ensure Sophia is not exposed to the same fuckery. But you and I know that wasn't the case for the longest time. Sophia has been in Deb's care for long periods of time. Free babysitter and live-in nanny by the woman who is the world's worst child abuser. 

Remember when Farrah lived in Florida and she got home to find her dog painted in fingernail polish? Deb said she had fallen asleep and wasn't watching Sophia. Red flag! Doesn't sound like Deb should have been watching a dog, much less a child.  Still, Farrah continued to leave her child in Deb's care. 

[MissMel]

Yes, my @GreatKazu!  Farrah has apparently cut her mother out.  She's reached an age where she realizes she's the mom, now.  

I'm still on her side.  I don't doubt that she had as much responsibility as her mom, during that fight.  No doubt.  But there comes a time when both people's words come together and make sense.  Farrah has said, "Look at me, I have my daughter in this now."

I do it everyday.  My dad and I live on the same property.  He's wonderful with my kids.  We did have a moment though, back when I was 13.  He slapped my face, I told him I'd kill him if he ever touched me again.  We both grew up and things changed.  I know for a fact he would never lay one hand on my children because of that day.  

Debz says Farrah had her in a headlock.  Bust me in my mouth one time, parent or not, I'm gonna show you what you came looking for.  Nuna don't play that shit.  (MissMel, I forgot I was 'proper' here Lol)

God knows, there's a thousand reasons not to believe Farrah.  I'm giving her this one until she proves me wrong.  

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On May 12, 2017 at 10:37 PM, renatae said:

Of course, Farrah is a jerk, but she seems to come by that honestly, courtesy of Debra. I like Chad and I think his mom's over the top rejection of him is horrible. He's probably playing Johnny Appleseed (credit Calm81) so he has some real family, because this witch will never fit the bill. I also rather like Maximo.

This is the best description of Farrah (and the batshit Farrah-Deb dynamic) that I have ever read. Thank you.

On May 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Booger666 said:

Thanks for taking one for team, MissMel!  

Does Farrah accuse Michael of physically abusing her, not stopping Deb from abusing her or nothing?  Does Farrah say her age during the years of physical abuse?

It's scary that there is some kernel of truth in there and Farrah let Deb around Sophia for so long.  I don't think anything has happened between Deb and Sophia, but allowing for the potential for it to happen is shocking.

I wonder what Farrah's sister has to say about this. I remember seeing her in the beginning of TM, but haven't seen her in years. 

I would LOVE to take Farrah's sister out for drinks and get the scoop. If you're ever in south Louisiana, Ashley, hit me up! (Also, props to Ashley for not selling whatever info she has on their childhood to the tabloids, especially since allegedly Deb isn't even in contact with her anymore and is only all about Farrah).

[Calm81]

I can't stand Paula!!!!!

I know everyone hates Farrah but Paula is obsessed with Farrah and kept picking on her during the jersey segment. Paula, you're calling Farrah a disrespectful kid yet YOU'RE acting like a pouty kid while picking Jersey's. I actually felt bad for Farrah.

I never really get upset when I watch tv however I got fuming mad listening to Paula spout off the mouth at everyone. I'm finding it hard to believe that a lady like her hasn't ended up in prison for how she talks to people or goes from 0-100 in seconds. I'm trying to picture how she would handle a police officer if she were pulled over for drinking and driving. 

Raging alcoholic telling her son ( the one SHE DITCHED AS A CHILD) that SHE should be placed BEFORE chads own kids is disgusting. 

I'm angry as I type this and I hardly EVER get mad. I feel so bad for Chad. I know Chad isn't Innocent as he lost his career for physically harming someone however I can feel LESS hate knowing some of his upbringing was by a woman we're witnessing on this show. Scary.

Anyone chuckle when Farrah landing on her fake ass? Lol. That hot tub scene was not something my eyes wanted to see. I don't like her fake body. When she got the c cup implants (her very first surgery) that's when I thought she was her prettiest...she had a great figure but the fake ass makes her look huge and oddly proportioned. It's made her stomach look a lot bigger than it used to as she used to have a flat stomach but her stomach had to accommodate a larger ass. Wow, if a family member could read what I just typed I'd be embarrassed....totally the opposite of how I conduct myself, the Teen Mom show and marriage boot camp is making me go loony watching all of these crazy asshats.

Again, I hate Paula. #freechad

Edited May 25, 2017 by Calm81

[StatisticalOutlier]

6 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Raging alcoholic telling her son ( the one SHE DITCHED AS A CHILD) that SHE should be placed BEFORE chads own kids is disgusting.

I'm watching the show only to see if there can be some insight into whom to blame for Farrah's insane family dynamic, so I only half-watch the other people but the part you describe was enough to cut through the inattention fog.  I actually thought I mis-heard.

[Rebecca]

Paula makes Farrah look semi sane. I do have to give Farrah a shred of credit for not being afraid to speak up to Paula...yes, she knows there's security nearby and such but still...Paula is scary. I also find it hard to believe she hasn't spent time in jail or prison with her attitude. She might be the biggest asshole yet.

Maximo/Frank is sure a drama lover. Why the hell would it be on him to tell Farrah about Debra's engagement? I don't understand why the other non "Situation" brother got to be Loyalty in the game? Not seeing that. 

Kendra grates...I truly don't understand her appeal...I know she's supposed to be hot but she just looks kinda dumpy/unkempt? She's really not that cute. Michael (Farrah's dad) was quick to slap her on the ass though when they were playing football. I'm curious about his ho bag side..he obviously has one if he cheated repeatedly. Who the hell would want to hit that though?

I'm a little shocked Debra would allow herself to miss even one moment of possible camera ~*~attention~*~ by leaving filming for any length of time.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Rebecca

[toodywoody]

Wow Mark really has some anger issues. I loved that he was locked in the room by himself and flipping out. Was nice to see Kendra and her mom discuss the issue without going silent. Now if they could discuss the book issue.  Farrah is better without Debra there and I think her and Michael could get passed their issues without Debra making Farrah pissed off. Farrah gets so pissed when she is around Debra that she can't help it and can't settle down long enough because her mother just frustrates the hell out of her.

[renatae]

Patti cracks me up with her privacy issue. She seems to think it only works one way; Kendra can't expose her own life on TV, but it's OK for Patti to spread gossip about her daughter on social media, because she's just "venting." Now she is talking about making money on a book. The book she needs to read is a dictionary so she can seek out the definitions of privacy, betrayal, and gossip.

Marc is a petty infant. I can't believe this family's entire issue appears to be "who's not manning up, and it's Maximo." What a ridiculous waste of time and energy to make such a big deal out of how Maximo deals with life. What's it to you? Oh, I get it. Deep down, you realize he's a far better man than you can ever hope to be. Enjoy your time out locked up!

[lasandi]

6 hours ago, renatae said:

Patti cracks me up with her privacy issue. She seems to think it only works one way; Kendra can't expose her own life on TV, but it's OK for Patti to spread gossip about her daughter on social media, because she's just "venting." Now she is talking about making money on a book. The book she needs to read is a dictionary so she can seek out the definitions of privacy, betrayal, and gossip.

Marc is a petty infant. I can't believe this family's entire issue appears to be "who's not manning up, and it's Maximo." What a ridiculous waste of time and energy to make such a big deal out of how Maximo deals with life. What's it to you? Oh, I get it. Deep down, you realize he's a far better man than you can ever hope to be. Enjoy your time out locked up!

Agreed!  About the tell all book Patti wants to write, is there really an interest in Kendra's life from her mother's perspective?  Who cares.  Everyone who knows their story knows Patti is bitter because Kendra left the mansion and took Patti's fun with her.  Is Kendra even a thing anymore?   Are people going to be lining up to get a copy of Kendra's life by her mom?  Patti exaggerates the importance and so does Kendra.  Honestly I think it's not worth the hoopla that Kendra is giving it here or on her upcoming reality show.  Or maybe I am the one whose nuts because I can't even imagine this making Patti rich.

About Mike's brother Mark.  Please someone threaten him to be removed from the house if he's not going to take part the right way and I'd bet he'd stop the drama.  He seems like he is playing a part in hopes that this extends his 15 minutes.  To me he comes off unlikeable and trying way too hard to be a bad ass.

[Apprentice79]

I don't mean to be petty, but why does the situation and his brothers have such bad skin? It is very distracting.  Is it too much tanning?  They look so much older than they really are.  Plus, I don't really understand why they are even there.  Their issues are so minimal compared to Ochocinco and his horrid mother.  That is just too sad to be playing out on television.

[JocelynCavanaugh]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I don't mean to be petty, but why does the situation and his brothers have such bad skin? It is very distracting.  Is it too much tanning?  They look so much older than they really are.  

Steroids!!!

[Drogo]

On 6/3/2017 at 0:55 AM, toodywoody said:

Wow Mark really has some anger issues.

Like a toddler has anger issues.

The only thing I believe about Mark is he gets his ass kicked on the regular when someone actually calls his bullshit.

[lasandi]

Now this show has gone and done it.  I was boo hooing when the kids were on representing Chad and his mom, the situation brothers, Farrah n fam and Kendra and her mom.  I was sitting there crying.  It was really touching.  

[backformore]

On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 9:30 AM, Apprentice79 said:

I don't mean to be petty, but why does the situation and his brothers have such bad skin? It is very distracting.  Is it too much tanning?  They look so much older than they really are.  Plus, I don't really understand why they are even there.  Their issues are so minimal compared to Ochocinco and his horrid mother.  That is just too sad to be playing out on television.

tanning wouldn't do it. but steroids?  A family member of mine had to take steroid pills for a life-threatening illness, and ended up with a terrible case of acne, the worst I ever saw.   He didn't get scars, but he was only on the meds for a couple of weeks.  I assume Mike and Mark have abused steroids, and have acne scars as a result.  I can't stand how they constantly taunt the other brother, especially since it seems to be based on gay-bashing.

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On ‎5‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 8:37 PM, renatae said:

This has to be the sorriest group ever to appear on this trainwreck - and of course, that's saying a lot! Ochocinco's mom is certifiable, and Farrah's mom? Good grief, is she a teenager?  "I have to leave because I've neglected my boyfriend and he has big news." Is her boyfriend a pre-teen? Do either of them have the maturity of a five year old that they can't do this after this camp? I think she is most likely lying, and either way, what a poor excuse for a parent.

 

I kept asking myself the same thing.  Camp is only like what? 2 weeks?  They can't wait 2 weeks to get engaged?  Why the rush to stop and fly to "the doctor" cause he wants to put a ring on it.  Wait till after camp.....that is so stupid.