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    Season 10 Episode Recaps and Recap Schedule

    No. So sorry PTVers. I ended up in the hospital for 3 weeks emergently, and I am just getting better. Feels too redundant to do it now since so much time has passed (and I’m so far behind and don’t even have the energy to catch up with them). Sorry for not pulling through, real life happened.
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    Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

    The shift probably occurred right after Mary Bunim died. She was the one EP with heart, morals, and grit.
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    Season 10 Episode Recaps and Recap Schedule

    I will do 3/3 ...I need a break to detoxify from last weeks rubbish episode.
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    S10:04 Kody's Shocking Move

    Sorry I’m so late. Coming up: Aspen’s wedding dress shopping, Kody putting together a ‘presentation’ for his wives, Janelle refusing to go Episode recap Kodester is putting together a business presentation about the family, a “business presentation.” Talking head says Kody has been trying to explain to his wives for the last three years about his desire to move and they treat him like he’s an idiot. Is this season go to be about how every adult in this family has a secret desire that has never been met? Crazy hair flying, he says, “his wives make him feel stupid... like he’s a nut job.” He checks the view of the presentation from every seat at Janelle’s house, then he calls his wives over for a meeting at Janelle’s house. He wants them all to say that he is right. The wives come in. Christine and Janelle being the first to arrive. “You’ve gone to all this fancy trouble, “ they flirt while giving him giggly eyes. Robyn and Meri arrive next. They are surprised by the preprinted boards. Kody begins his pitch and he has printouts. “ i’m a capable man, just because I like it when you make my own breakfast doesn’t mean I can’t make my own breakfast”, he mutters. He wants them to all agree. No one says anything. Finally Kody starts his presentation. He starts with the Utah story, the typical version, that they had to leave because they were threatened by the State of Utah for a felony prosecution. “In that process, our heart’s broke, but we got magic, we got magic back by living here, he concludes. The ladies look at him devotedly, in rapt attention, esp Robyn who isn’t even blinking. They summarize the whole Utah Prosecution Moving in Terror storyline again, but this time Kody adds the fact that he “picked a fight with them,” and that his lawsuit won. However, a current talking head Kody says that if they go back to Utah, it’s possible that they would be persecuted again. Kody then wraps up saying that he never saw Vegas as a permanent thing, and that he always figured once they had “some businesses, some equity in the homes,” that he wanted to go back. Kody keeps playing with his hair, and it’s obnoxious. What I’m gleaning is that pretty much he wanted to get some clout, money, and attention by being on the show, then go back to Utah to fight for his rights. He admits that they are not a very functional family at times, they tend to react rather than plan. Being affected by the cat fishing incident, Meri buying the house in Parowan, the clan thinking that Meri wanted to leave, Kody admits they aren’t sometimes not united, and that on bad days he struggles with plural marriage. Shocker🙄. The first worry that pops up is about the children. But Kody ends by intoning, where We Go One, We Go All. He keeps repeating this over and over again through the rest of his speech. I won’t bore you with the minute details, but here is the gist of it. Kody wants to go back to Utah, he feels he has been exiled from the state, he wants to go back for his destiny. He wants to run for office and change the Polygamy law. Screw what his wives think, common sense thinks, or his family thinks. He leaves Christine to conclude that they should sell the equity in their homes to come up with money for Kody’s plan. He wants them to be architects in the next phase of life and not firemen/reactors. Christine and Janelle are so against it, for the sake of their kids, Gabe and Gwendolyn, who are established in school enough to run for class treasurer(historian), something. They want to keep the younger kids in school, because how it affected the older kids when the transitioned with no planning to Vegas. Robyn brings up that they would have to have separate homes for a while. Janelle doesn’t want to leave her grandchild, Maddie and Caleb who are now here. Kody says the market can crash any time, hence the urgency. No matter what the ladies bring up in regards to the kids, it doesn’t matter, Kody has his mind made up. Eventually, he is going to lead, to places they may not want to go, but he’s the leader, and that’s why they married him. Another commercial break for chocolate. He does not find Vegas a wonderful place to live. But the ladies worry that they would not have an openly accepting place anywhere else. Robyn brings up Dayton, who needs to be transitioning this year to where they are going to be so he can start settling into his last 2 years of high school prepping for college. But she agrees with Cody ultimately saying the faster they move, the better for the kids, the triplets (all born the same year). Cody emphasizes that it matters like a heart attack, then leads the family to pray. The women discuss the meeting during their pre-Seattle meeting to go shopping with Mitch’s mom. The women decide that even though they may not end up in Utah, they are more comfortable settling nearby, then decide on Arizona because they want a more conservative environment. The women discuss their litany of moves in the preceding 20-something years. Clearly over 15 moves between Wyoming, Montana, Utah, and back and forth every few years. The women discuss the fact it’s time for another ‘big move’ per Kody. Aspen went to her wedding dress shopping with the Robyn, Janelle, Mitch’s Mom, Hannah, Maddie, her son Axl. Mitch is wearing a kilt and will embrace his Scottish heritage. They are shopping off the rack, and Aspen will get her dress altered. Robyn and Christine eschew the lack of trains at their weddings, and no walking down the aisle. Aspyn had a total Say yes to the dress moment, with 3 different dresses. Mitch wants a more covered up dress in the front. Kody is the one that prefers a more covered up look, it’s not from their church or religion but Kody’s personal preference for his wives to not bare their arms and be more conservative in dress. Another shocker. Aspyn chooses Dress #2 which everyone now says it’s perfect. It’s just a regular princess ball gown strapless dress. The ladies are going to Seattle to see Hannah, Mitch’s mom so she can design hats for the wedding. Christine is giving Kody the instructions on the kids while she will ge gone, Kody is not paying attention, he’s on his phone. Mindy will be there too to help him while the women are away. He will be taking care of the kids. All the women get loaded into the car to leave. They are going to have a Segway tour and seem very excited to hit the road. They each have assigned tasks at each house that they give Kody, even Meri, who pointedly has no kids home. Next scene, the sisterwives arrive in Seattle, WA and they all go to lunch together. They have a discussion about who has planted their garden for the season while in this limbo land waiting for Kody to make up his mind where they are going. The women acknowledge they are in a limbo. Christine is upset about Gwendolyn who won treasurer for that school year. Christine wants to stay in Vegas for the entire school year, as a single mom, “like an army wife”. Kody says no. Janelle says it’s important they stay together. She says that she often didn’t make most of the moves initially and would stay behind for a few months to years. She now says in hindsight she regretted staying behind. , Meri says it’s great they can choose where they move to. Janelle considered St. George, Utah, and Robyn agreed that that would be an easy move since she has her parents there. Robyn expresses her frustration that her free agency has been limited (by the anti-polygamy law in Utah), and it feels so un-American. Christine is still confused and not sure what to do. She feels that it’s unfair to stake it all on Gwedolyn, on one girl’s happiness. The next morning in Seattle, the ladies arrive at Hannah’s apartment building to look at her hats. Hannah (Mitch’s mom) greets them warmly and asks the wives what kind of hats they like. The women have no clue. Hannah let’s them try various hats and they each pick a style they like. They talk about netting, styles, flowers and colors. Meri finds it hard to choose one. She settles in a fascinator. Each wife chooses a hat. I remember upstream seeing a picture of Aspyn and Mitch’s wedding and the wives did indeed wear the hats. The four wives and Hannah go to lunch at Paiche. Next Sunday preview: The women have an honest (well as honest as they can be) conversation in their hotel room. Back to the show: The women all wear hats and go to lunch with Hannah. They talk about the bridal shower, which Aspyn is planning and Christine is just helping with. The women ooh and aah over Hannah’s fabulous life. Hannah says that the only way to have the life you want is to be an independent woman. She left her husband 20-some years ago and it must have been the when she started the business. Hannah is in the same religion but did not have a polygamous relationship with her husband, she never had a sister wife. She states she never got along with her siblings and knew she would be a bad siste Wife. My takeaway from that is that polygamy is not mandatory in their church. Hannah has 5 Kids, 2 of who are called into plural marriage. She talked more about her divorce, and her free life. The wives concluded she would make someone, ‘not them’, a good sister wife. Meanwhile, back at home, Kody mopes. He has a cookout in the backyard with all the kids at the back of their homes. Kody says over voiceover that it is the season to move and their kids will benefit more from it. The women go riding on a Segway. They went downtown Seattle on segways in matching jackets and helmets. Robyn says that the best sister wives their relationships seem very transcendent. Christine says the first 5-10 years of being a sister wife are hard. Meri says she is quite different with her friends than with her sister wives. Christine says that although they are at different places, they know their sister wives will support each other. Next time on sister wives: The family starts exploring alternate places to live. Christine and Kody take a trip to Flagstaff, Arizona. One of Janelle’s boys decides that if they move he will ‘run away’”, he cries dejectedly into the camera.
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    Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

    This seemed to be a multi-sponsored event set up by a publicist who works for local D and E-level celebrities in the area. It was a kids’ fashion show, autism book launch, and who knows what else. Ensley was the model, not Janelle. And Marissa too it looked like.
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    S10:03 Kody Wants Out

    Poor Ysabel. I didn’t see anyone else mention this, but do you think another reason why Kody is so vehemently against the surgery at this time is because he knows that he doesn’t have the finances to cover it? I mean, I doubt that the Brown clan has decent health insurance for all 29 individuals, and if they do, it’s probably a really basic, emergency-only kind of plan for the younger kids and pregnant-possible Sobbyn. They may have made the decision to drop comprehensive coverage on the older kids, especially the middle school and older college age ones. Maybe Ysabel falls in that bracket. Even if they had a basic insurance plan like Obamacare, there is probably still going to be some out of pocket exoenses. Knowing how the Browns don’t plan long term, they probably don’t even have decent health care coverage. Whatever they have or don’t have, I doubt this would cover fully a major surgery like that, and maybe he’s just ‘delaying’ the inevitable as long as possible while he waits for the next open enrollment so he can get Ysabel properly/fully covered with an insurance plan that minimizes their out of pocket expenses. If the surgeon was offering that surgery for free, I highly suspect the Browns would jump at it. Maybe besides their mortgages converting to the sub prime, they’ve also used up all the ‘free’ options they had in Vegas. So they had to move their clan to greener pastures to bilk the welfare system yet again.
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    S10:03 Kody Wants Out

    Just quoted to give you all snaps. Hit the nail on the head, my sentiments exactly. This relationship is over. They need to stop torturing each other. They just need to end it and go their separate ways. For there to be any hope of forgiveness or reconciliation in a relationship, the Offender must first 1. acknowledge what they did wrong to hurt the other person, 2. show remorse and 3. vow to never do it again. They can go through 10,000 hours of therapy but will never come to any of these conclusions. What they need is a real honest Iyanla FIX MY LIFE moment. Kody needs to say, “I’m sorry that I married Janelle (your former sister-in-law and brothers ex-Wife) without considering your feelings, and so soon after marrying you. I’m sorry that through the years, I’ve never been supportive enough to you, esp when you were going through your fertility and empty nest issues. I’m sorry that each time I get a new wife, I ignore you in favor of them. I’m sorry that I emotionally disconnected from you for YEARS (as long as we’ve been on this show). I’m sorry I agreed to your harebrained scheme (or manipulated you into agreeing) to give up your legal first wife status. I realize now how much that meant to who you are as a person. I’m sorry I have ignored your feelings for over a decade and found solace in the arms of another. Obviously POLYGAMY is the root of most the issues in our relationship. Also I’m extremely narcissistic and require lots of adoring attention—-I take ownership for that. Moving forward, I will put your needs ahead of my own and others. I will agree to let you leave my planet if that is what is going to make you happy because I love you enough to place your happiness over my selfish ego. Please forgive me. Meri needs to say, “I’m sorry I am a constant victim and have nailed myself in the martyrs cross. I understand now how that turned you off from our relationship. I suffered extreme loneliness when MARIAH moved out and you didn’t feel the same. I’m sorry I am a sucking abyss of neediness and clinginess. This is because I don’t get enough attention from you due to POLYGAMY! I’m sorry I went outside of our relationship looking for an emotional connection with some other male (the Catfisher) while you were so involved with your other wives and kids. It was a cry for attention, and you didn’t even notice. The honest truth is that If I hadn’t been caught by a Catfisher, I would have ditched you for my billionaire vegan boyfriend. Moving forward, I will stop being so selfish, and focus on how I can find joy in our POLYGAMOUS life, because this is the life I choose OR I have decided to leave because I no longer want this life, it makes me miserable and unhappy. This is the conversation I’m waiting for them to have, but they will never have. They think they are selling us the polygamy story, but the more we watch, from the very first episode, we all see how miserable these women are. Like someone upthread said, they are all eating their feelings. The only happy wife is the favorite wife of that moment in time. The other 3 are just miserable and existing, waiting for the sun (Kody) to shine on them again.
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    Season 10 Episode Recaps and Recap Schedule

    I will do Episode 4: Kodys Shocking Move. 2/17
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    S10:03 Kody Wants Out

    And Kody & Meri...oh my goodness. That relationship is stale, old, and dead. Not even a beautiful sunset could bring it back to life, or even ignite a Spark. There was standing space of two other folks between them like perfect strangers. And when Kody starts spouting off about how “I knew you had to do it yourself,” even the dog in the background kept barking and yelping, yapping BS! BS!in the awkward long silent pause that followed.
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    S10:03 Kody Wants Out

    Yeah, my Directv showed this episode as new as well. Wonder if they will air Ep 4 later this week. The reason all the Brown girls are rushing to get married is because it’s a way to get more money from TLC. TLC probably highly endorses weddings, and engagements. Weddings mean wedding specials, which is content and bonuses, which won’t be covered by the usual per episode fee. It also gives the girls a chance to be special, a period where she is placed first, when her life is in the spotlight. Versus just being a Brown brat. I liked the way Aspyn stood up for herself at the third venue. She knew the Browns (esp Kody) were going to turn this Budget discussion into some huge drama, and she nipped it right in the bud by directly calling their bluff. The 4 Moms would each pick sides, with the moms who are having weddings (Christine, Janelle) versus the mom’s not currently having weddings (Meri, Robyn) who will also try to limit the budget to have more money leftover for their girls’ future weddings. Kody would feel the pressure, and fluff his ponytail, try to turn the spotlight on himself, then become sarcastic and start throwing ridiculous quips and critiques about the venue, downgrading and being nasty about everything they had just gushed about directly to Event Coordinator embarrassing the bride and groom to be. In his mind, he thinks it gives him a negotiation advantage, when it reality it just makes him look like a cheap, miserly loser who has no long term financial plan for the bajillion children he has brought into this world. I think that Production is picking up some of the budget for the wedding. Or at least they are going to cover part of it. These venues were probably chosen by Production and they will cover some venue costs in order to be able to film all week at the venue. Production has deals with the venue for a sponsorship option. Don’t tell me these are the only 3 wedding venues in all of Utah...puhleaze. Kody mentioned something about the Family Dinner which is right after the wedding. That is the 100 people, the ‘real family’ who are coming to the wedding. They are the ones at the real reception. The ones who arrive later in the evening, just for the ‘party’ and dance part, the 300 who get finger foods, cocktails, cake, desserts, and snacks are the outer family circle, the associates, the ones that were not invited to the real wedding, but only come for the reception. These are the ones the Browns will be paying for. I wonder which will be a tax deduction? They probably both will.
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    The Many Sides of Jane

    What a weird episode. This explains why she is not currently working, and is probably on medical disability. It’s so sad that a job that 2 alters think is a “dream job” turns out to be literal hell for the younger alters who are triggered by the bartender in the first hour of her new job. I wonder how Jane quit...now that would have been intriguing to see. This stuff is so believable and tragic to me, it could not be fiction. At times, Jane uses her alters just like they use her body. You really got to see how the stronger alter in that moment exerts control, and why Jane is at constant war with her mind, feelings, and emotions. She intentionally brought Alexis forward on the visit to her mom’s apartment to keep,the convo light and airy; but then hates Alexis’impulsiveness, constant need for attention, and narcissistic tendencies. Alexis’ personality and knowledge of wines, beers, and liqueurs helped her land the job, while at th same time, Alexis’ is also her nemesis in a way, (besides that random $80 shopping spree and the horrendous wrist tattoo), in the past she was the one with most of the risky behaviors. A new alter, did anyone hear about Jerry before? Jerry is androgynous and stores all the anger. I just imagine him/her as a goth punk 19 yr old with the dark makeup, dark leather, dark fingernails, all angsts and anger. Jerry came out because Jane was angry that in order to fix Alexis debauched tattoo (either now or in the future), she would have to shell out $2,000, money she probably doesn’t just have laying around, and money she would prefer to use for her kids. I’m sure the show will probably pay for it, just to film it. However, Jane who is more pragmatic, would rather get the $2000 cash instead of a tattoo coverup because as much as the tattoo bothers her, $2,000... that is rent and groceries for another few months providing financial stability for her family. Prior Trauma Tidbit (PTT): When Jane talked about the bartender, and how the younger alters freaked out, she said “he reminded them of one of their abusers, one of the guys ‘from church’.” Did I catch that right? What could that mean?
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    The Many Sides of Jane

    After watching the 2nd episode, she seems quite high functioning for me. She has unique ways to care for her amnesiac moments with Madison, and all her parts care for her kids. The younger parts tend to not come out when she’s with the kids, which he is why she has a nanny. Re financial: I suspect her family may be helping her some, either her ex through child support, and she may get paid for her public speaking engagements/activism and/or be on disability. I would imagine it would be quite hard to hold down a regular job with this condition. She seems to be financially stable. Madison seems more in charge with the kids than even Jane is. But she got so stressed out at the toy store, which is why she switched back to Jane. I can see her affect change with each of her parts. I can already see a huge disconnect with how reality is for those with DID versus Hollywood portrayals. Mental illness is often misunderstood and people tend to make wild assumptions. I believe her and her story and have no reason to think otherwise as of now. I’ve met someone with DID in the past (he had only 5 alters), and I see a lot of similarities in their history. Has anyone been able to dig up the source of her childhood trauma? It must be a male relative, I’m thinking either her father, grandfather, uncle, brother, cousin, or some other related male. Jane seems very protective of not naming the person who caused her trauma, (I believe in episode 1 she stated it was more than 1 person). Thus, it stands to reason that she must be somehow related to them. I believe she told her mom when she was a child, but her mom either didn’t believe her, or didn’t do anything about it. This must be the source of conflict with her mom. The mom may even still have a relationship with her abuser(s), I suspect. Where is her dad? All the identities range from 5 years old up to 19, then the oldest Madison who is 28 (I’m thinking that must be related to her either visiting her old homestead, or running into the abuser during holidays, or caused by her ex-husband). To go through so much abuse that your brain creates identities to protect you, it must be truly horrible things she went through. I just have compassion for her and all others who suffer this way. As the expert psychiatrist said, society often does not want to acknowledge DID because to do so would make them have to acknowledge that horrible traumatic abuse happens to innocent children.
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    Extreme Love

    Yeah, that was the craziest of this last episode. The lady who pays a cuddle gigolo didn’t make a blip on my radar as much as these poly vamps. I actually think Wife #1 is anemic, which is why she gets an energy jolt after drinking blood. She may have an undiagnosed medical condition like iron deficiency anemia, thalassemia, or sickle cell anemia. The husband is a full on narcissist who believes he is a real life vampire. Methinks...he is certifiably delusional, a masochist (he seemed to revel in the emotional pain he was chasing his wife), and a selfish man-child to boot. Wife #1 is definitely NOT happy with the situation, and the husband is so into his new GF that he doesn’t even care. He is the one in control of the relationship, and the power dynamic is not fair to either women. Bringing in a fulltime gf to live with you, your wife, AND your parents —-(guess his vampire teeth modeling business does not make enough to support himself, talk-less of 2 other women🙄🙄). I wish his parents would kick him off the ranch instead of enabling his immature child’s play. He is not a real adult, he is a man child playing out his childhood fantasies. His parents have overindulged him, and it didn’t seem like he had any real life responsibilities, hence he could sleep all day and vamp all night. He wasn’t happy with the lack of attention he was was getting from #1 while she was planning the Vampire Wedding of the Century, so he dove into a full on relationship with #2. He violated all the initial agreements that he had with #1 about their polyamorous relationship. According to all the poly shows I’ve watched, sticking to the agreements is fundamental to a successful relationship. In almost all the scenes, #1 just looked so unhappy and miserable. Why are the 3 of them constantly in bed together? The gf just kept shifting the established boundaries and the Wife inwardly seethed but it seemed like she could not do anything about it. He forced #1 to have #2 in her bridal party ffs! So glad the end title card showed that Wife #1 ended up re-establishing a relationship with her ex-boyfriend, at least now she is getting some attention from someone instead of constantly being ignored by her vamp husband. The fake ceremony he set up to bind #2 to him, and coerced #1 to participate in. Forgot what it was called. I am glad the cameras didn’t show it. I think it was probably very sexual, with lots of blood, playacting, and #1’s silent internal heartbreaking tears.
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    Extreme Love

    That made me laugh too. They must have come hungry, looking for a full dinner, and were extremely disappointed at the finger foods, snacks, and antipasto spread. I’m sure once they’ve hosted a few of their own parties (and wasted a ton of $$$ throwing out food that doesn’t get eaten), they will quickly realize that swingers come to these parties to socialize, drink, and have sex... not to gorge and stuff their faces with food. It’s not a dinner party folks, it’s a sex party. Get off your high horse.
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    Surviving R. Kelly

    I think she was still in his presence as currently as 2010/2011. The DJ, Kitty Jones said that R. Kelly introduced her to the girl on the tape within 2 weeks of her (Kitti) quitting her job and moving to his mansion. Since Martinez was out of the picture then (according to her statements in episode 3, she left him 2009). Thus Kitti must have met/ introduced to Sparkle’s niece. Her story is relatively newer in the timeline as the Love Letter album came out in 2010. I saw in another doc on REELZ that the sex tape victim’s family got a huge settlement...estimated at $5-9 million for their silence. Hence why they didn’t show up to testify at trial. And the brother in law is still R. Kelly’s bassist.
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