S08.E21: Reunion Part 1

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, lunastartron said:

I have a couple of questions that I hope my fellow posters can help clarify.

1) Upthread, I keep reading that the daughter Bethenny put on shout is "adult." However, multiple blogs (like TT, RealityTea, etc.) describe her as "teenage." Obviously, the two adjectives are not mutually exclusive but I'm curious if a specific age has ever been identified for the girl in question. 'Cause at 18 and/or 19? I was an idiot, would have lied about almost anything to defend my parents, and definitely did not yet have intellectual autonomy from the family unit.

2) This is not particularly germane to the episode that just aired but I anticipate that the overarching dispute will crop up in the next installment: hasn't Bethenny self-identified as a survivor of eating disorders herself? I know that I've read articles that attributed her forays into natural foods cooking to her prior struggles with EDs. And the comments sections of multiple media sites like Jezebel note that she has repeatedly done the same on her promotional rounds. Yet this season, her discomfort with Jules' evidently contagious mental health issues are because of *Bernadette's* propensity for disordered food consumption habits? I'm genuinely confused here by this apparent retcon.

I bet I was more stupider that you were?

You can kinda do the math on this one? Someone will come up with the info later on, but for now? She's no older than 25 - and beth has probably aligned herself with her in a Best Big Buddy way?

[CaliCat]

On September 1, 2016 at 3:49 PM, film noire said:

"We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a hellish twelve hours filming, a kind of detention, for whatever it was we did wrong.  But you see us as you want to see us -- in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions - but what we found out is that each one of us is a cokehead, a countess, a porn star, a fuck buddy,  a pistachio and a lunatic who thinks gay people make her happy. Does that answer your question?"

Ha ha!  Did you leave out Carol on purpose?

[ElDosEquis]

6 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

Lu has owned having a healthy sex life.  But that wasn't good enough for Bethenny.  Unless by "owning it" she means Lu should declare herself a whore, then I guess she hasn't owned it.  

But I sincerely doubt that Bethenny's problem with Lu is because she has fucked all of Manhattan.  Because seemingly, she'd have called Sonja out for that. The dislike of Lu is far deeper than that but that's the only thing Bethenny can hurt her with -- calling a woman a whore and a slut.  

As far as Lu's assertions on Bethenny's relationship, my guess is the rumor mill about the relationship is just as strong as the rumor mill of Dorinda and John's coke binges that Bethenny likes to drop without absolutely any proof.  

There are some people who just cannot stand each other.

There is something that trips off a little switch in the reptile part of their brains - and from there it is on. Then, instead of letting shit go, NO one passes up the opportunity to walk by their chair and throw a fart their way?

It might be chemical, physical or visual, We'll never know.

[ParadoxLost]

10 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

The coke thing barely registered with me outside of the weird way it got hushed at the end there. Saying someone here does coke is not particularly shocking to me. I'd be more surprised of none of them indulged ever. Meth? Heroin? That would have shocked me though. I'm not saying anyone should be putting it out there (again, this is why I'll never be cast on a reality show), but I didn't find it shocking.

Yeah, the way Luann ended the topic made it seem more likely than anything else just because I would have been expecting her to go after Bethenny for that kind of harmful gossip, even if Dorinda was her second worse enemy, just because it was Bethanny.  That she cut it off the way she did kind of came across as its true but its too damaging to Dorinda to discuss at the reunion.  Which just proves that Bethenny is the worst person there..

[beaker73]

4 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Yikes to both pictures. 

[QuinnM]

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 That she cut it off the way she did kind of came across as its true but its too damaging to Dorinda to discuss at the reunion.  Which just proves that Bethenny is the worst person there..

Under that logic it is Sonja who is the worst person there. She's the one that kept talking.  Just not getting the make everything Bethenny's fault. This was Sonja. And the person doing most of smack talking about ED with Jules was Carole. 

There is enough manure for all of them. 

[notnowimbusy]

Sonja is desperate to stay relevant.   She has nothing left.  No partying, Ramona has ditched her, and she's got nothing left to offer.   Once B shut her down on TG, she was done.   Everyone is on to her imaginary businesses, her "interns", and since she's been "sober", she's no fun.  

[zoeysmom]

One thing I found interesting when Ramona was going on and on about her fabulous self she kept talking about her 25 year marriage and how she needed to recoup and regroup before looking for love.  All of them missed the opportunity to point out to Bethenny she was taking in someone ended a 27 year marriage.  Forgetting the fact he is still married wouldn't the same rule apply to Dennis-to not jump in just out of a long term marriage.  Taking Bethenny at her word he was what weeks out of a long term marriage when they rediscovered each other? Also Ramona looks thirty like Donald Trump looks forty.  Get over yourself. Ramona is a fairly average looking woman who has great shaped legs (according to Ramon she has visible vein issues in her legs), is small in stature, which makes her attractive to shorter men.  I can appreciate Andy usually doesn't pass on comments from viewers about looks-but someone should have reminded Ramona absolutely no one has said she looks good with the extension and the boob job.  When Ramona said Mario was a lot of work, I laughed.  It was Mario who got Avery breakfast and took her to school so her highness could sleep in.  What was Ramona exhausted from having to make dinner reservations and call a car service?  Ramon who demands someone unpack her luggage? 

[notnowimbusy]

Zoeysmom - exactly.  What did R have to offer this season beside bad hair extensions, bad dancing, and arching her back when posing?   Why didn't B go after all the hypocrisy of R saying she had the best marriage ever, when as B loves to say "everyone" knew he was cheating on her. ?   It's as if the base group - Ramona, Sonja and Luann are terrified what B was going to tell, and who she was going to attack.  Ramona was going to agree with anything B said as long as she didn't go after her.   In the meantime she R just deludes herself into thinking she's 30.

[Knuckles]

1 hour ago, beaker73 said:

Yikes to both pictures. 

Agreed. Why wouldn't a good plastic surgeon urge someone that thin to consider proportion when buying implants? Admittedly, I don't like her, but she would look so much better with implants that were smaller and not so high on her chest wall. She's got that Fox female anchor look...as if she has been remade to suit Roger Ailes.

[Inspectabecky]

For everyone talking about Dorinda protecting John over the coke stuff, am I buggin or did she not throw him under the bus instead in some desperate attempt at deflection?  When she said "if its about John then I need to know", trying to act like she's the naive gf bracing herself to hear dirt about her already unpopular man.  It was quickly shut down with basically a " ummm nooo, you know we're talking about both of yall hun but LOLZ".  I thought that was another gross example of Dorinda's spinelessness but this was particularly deep.  I loved her from jump street bc all I saw was my beloved Carmela Soprano, but gangsta she is not.  Instead of flailing her arms and telling B to not go there and that;s too low to even address, she tried to shit on John then clamped up like a mouse.

Regarding other franchises, Kandi mentioned that Nene was "geeked out" during the infamous pajama party.  Kenya then went on Wendy Williams and repeated the allegation that Nene was on something that night.  Nene swiftly sent her a cyst and disease (tm tam) and repeated as much at the reunion when it came up.  She was like "yup I sent that so shut f up, next!"  As big of a diva as Nene comes off, she's every inch a boss and I've heard that she has fought tptb for herself and other hws when the network goes too far pimping them out. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Inspectabecky
tired run-ons

[breezy424]

I think resorting to the Dorinda does drugs, aka John does drugs, cocaine reference was something that was a threat that has turned out to be nothing that most people care about.  Why?  Because saying it wasn't justified by anything John or Dorinda did.  Saying that, Beth 'is' trying to present the idea that Doris and John are coke heads.  I don't get that vibe from either of them.   IIRC, Beth was the first one to disparage John and that was last season.  Heck, Ro yelled at Aviva in St. Barths to take a Xanax.  From that one 'could' assume that Aviva has a prescription which one could assume that Ro has a prescription which then one could assume that Ro does drugs.  I get that some may not get what I'm saying but bottom line for me is that Beth is trying to destroy people's reputations.  And it fell pretty flat, at least in my opinion.  The women, especially Lu, shutting the cocaine thing down was about adding fuel to the fire.  Maybe most of them have done coke.  They're certainly not the first but there definitely was an agreement not to go there.  It crossed a line (no pun intended) and that's why my reaction to this was a yawn in the context of it all. 

For me, it's not about cocaine but rather about how far Beth will go.  And about the 'fear' of how far Beth will go.   They know now how far Beth will go and that's why so many of them are up Beth's rear end.  And Lu was absolutely correct about the vote on' does Beth's new do similar to Lu's'.  They're in fear of Beth.  But what Beth doesn't understand is that being 'right' doesn't always mean you win.   Beth thought that calling her boyfriend's daughter would prove that Beth is innocent.  What she didn't realize that bringing someone's daughter into all of this was more of a turnoff than the proof she was striving for.

And I don't give a 's' about Beth's revelation of somehow knowing through 'mutual' friends that Jules came on the show because Jules knew that she and Michael were going to divorce.  Who cares?  The fact is that Jules admitted she has an ED ( I give her kuddos for admitting this) despite Beth and Carole's disdain.   Going through a divorce is hard.  I'm looking at you Beth and Carole.  Apparently Beth is more concerned about being right than understanding what a person is going through.  That's why I can't stand either one of them.  And, Carole, if you can't stand looking at Jules eat, maybe you need to put a mirror in front of yourself and see how you eat in front of others.  As for Beth, if you think that you had the worst childhood ever because your mother had an ED, you need to do a google.  I just 'can't' with these two.  They both need a reality check. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by breezy424

[Castina]

3 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Under that logic it is Sonja who is the worst person there. She's the one that kept talking.  Just not getting the make everything Bethenny's fault. This was Sonja. And the person doing most of smack talking about ED with Jules was Carole. 

There is enough manure for all of them. 

Bethenny is the one who said it on the show which is how it became a topic.  Bethenny and Carole have also, since the reunion, made tweets about drug use on their show with stupid little alcohol and pill icons.  

The first time I recall Jules and her ED were a topic was when Bethenny met up with Dorinda, Jules and the two guys for lunch and started talking to Dorinda about how much Jules freaks her out with her long hair and her bones and started comparing her to her mother and how she knows an ED when she sees it.  Which in hindsight was correct but my god how f**king rude she is to sit there and say that shit in that setting.  Then we see Carole carrying it on at the bra party in another, to me, "wtf is with these rude women" and there is no way that Bethenny hadn't filled her in about the new anorexic cast member before that.  The way those two went at her is just mindblowing.

Sonja is an idiot.  She is losing her Grey Gardens charm that she once held for me. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Castina

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, breezy424 said:

I think resorting to the Dorinda does drugs, aka John does drugs, cocaine reference was something that was a threat that has turned out to be nothing that most people care about.  Why?  Because saying it wasn't justified by anything John or Dorinda did.  But saying that, Beth 'is' trying to present the idea that Doris and John are coke heads.  I don't get that vibe from either of them.   IIRC, Beth was the first one to disparage John and that was last season.  Heck, Ro yelled at Aviva in St. Barths to take a Xanax.  From that one 'could' assume that Aviva has a prescription which one could assume that Ro has a prescription which then one could assume that Ro does drugs.  I get that some may not get what I'm saying but bottom line for me is that Beth is trying to destroy people's reputations.  And it fell pretty flat, at least in my opinion.  The women, especially Lu, shutting the cocaine thing down was about adding fuel to the fire.  Maybe most of them have done coke.  They're certainly not the first but there definitely was an agreement not to go there.  It crossed a line (no pun intended) and that's why my reaction to this was a yawn in the context of it all. 

For me, it's not about cocaine but rather about how far Beth will go.  And about the 'fear' of how far Beth will go.   They know now how far Beth will go and that's why so many of them are up Beth's rear end.  And Lu was absolutely correct about the vote on does Beth's new do similar to Lu's.  They're in fear of Beth.  But what Beth doesn't understand is that being 'right' doesn't always mean you win.   Beth thought that calling her boyfriend's daughter would prove that Beth is innocent.  What she didn't realize that bringing someone's daughter into all of this was more of a turnoff than the proof she was striving for.

And I don't give a 's' about Beth's revelation of somehow knowing through 'mutual' friends that Jules came on the show because Jules knew that she and Michael were going to divorce.  Who cares?  The fact is that Jules admitted she has an ED ( I give her kuddos for admitting this) despite Beth and Carole's disdain.   Going through a divorce is hard.  I'm looking at you Beth and Carole.  Apparently Beth is more concerned about being right than understanding what a person is going through.  That's why I can't stand either one of you.  And, Carole, if you can't stand looking at Jules eat, maybe you need to put a mirror in front of yourself and see how you eat in front of others.  As for Beth, if you think that you had the worst childhood ever because your mother had an ED, you need to do a google.  I just 'can't' with these two.  They both need a reality check. 

I don't think it was presented as if anyone had ever done cocaine, I think it was presented as they Dorinda and John are current users.  I thought it brilliant that Dorinda said, "I don't know your lifestyle, I don't know what goes on in your pool house."  It makes me wonder since Dorinda said and Bethenny didn't disagree Bethenny had never been out with she and John, that perhaps the one with the mouth was Ramona.  She sure wanted to move onto the next question.  I think Ramona shoots her mouth off and Bethenny acts on the information as if it were gospel.  So the genesis of the coke rumor and Dorinda doing drugs comes from Ramona.  Last year she was calling and dumping on John and of course blaming Luann.  I am sure that is one of the many things she said about him.

Not for the proof of anything but watch John's nose when he returns from the bathroom:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/videos/dorinda-and-johns-relationship-gets-thrown

Edited September 3, 2016 by zoeysmom

[Castina]

If that Tamara Tattles was correct and Bethenny had a picture of one of the castmates using coke to use on the show then it's possible the reason some of the ladies shut it down was because they know Bethenny would pull out those pictures if they pushed the topic.  She clearly had special permission to have her phone on set as a tool.  

I just really don't understand how Bethenny still has fans.  I can't wrap my head around it because it just seems so obvious what a horrible person she is that has no respect for boundaries of her castmates while insisting they stay out and respect hers.  I can't help but wonder at times if her more vocal fans are employees.  Whoever runs the SkinnyGirlBrand account engages in this horseshit which again, blows my mind because you want to sell the shit, not alienate women who might buy it. 

eta...and for the record I think all housewives on all franchises have their issues, you would have to to take part in this type of show. I just find her to be incredibly mean, nasty, vile, vulgar, narcissistic and most concerning is how destructive she is with zero empathy for anyone in her path.  Its just not normal.   

Finally I can't help but laugh at the irony of Andy Cohen's twitter campaign/rampage against Donald Trump while celebrating, at the same time, Bethenny Frankel. Does he really not see the similarities?

Edited September 3, 2016 by Castina

[breezy424]

8 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't think it was presented as if anyone had ever done cocaine, I think it was presented as they Dorinda and John are current users.  I thought it brilliant that Dorinda said, "I don't know your lifestyle, I don't know what goes on in your pool house."  It makes me wonder since Dorinda said and Bethenny didn't disagree Bethenny had never been out with she and John, that perhaps the one with the mouth was Ramona.  She sure wanted to move onto the next question.  I think Ramona shoots her mouth off and Bethenny acts on the information as if it were gospel.  So the genesis of the coke rumor and Dorinda doing drugs comes from Ramona.  Last year she was calling and dumping on John and of course blaming Luann.  I am sure that is one of the many things she said about him.

Not for the proof of anyone but watch John's nose when he returns from the bathroom:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/videos/dorinda-and-johns-relationship-gets-thrown

Honestly, I'm not seeing it.  I do agree that Dorinda's response about Beth's 'pool house' was brilliant.  I also agree that Ro is the one with the mouth and that's where Beth is getting much of her info on Lu from.  Wasn't Ro the source of Lu's intro at the bar?  A friend of Ro's who told Ro who in turn told Beth?  For what it's worth, both Ro and Beth hate Lu.  I don't take either one as gospel.

Lu is no angel for sure but Beth plays dirty. That's why I can't stand her. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On September 1, 2016 at 11:23 PM, ParadoxLost said:

Frankly, I was horrified at the idea that Bethenny was the type of person who would call her boyfriend's kid to defend her over allegations that her father cheated on her Mother with Bethenny.  That's as bad as actually cheating to me.

The daughter must be early twenties at most.  I highly doubt this won't create friction with her Mother and siblings even if there was no cheating.

Agree. These are the capability of antics Kelly B called her out on.... They are very down there ! Bethenny is, was and always will be capable of this. #kellywasright 

Indulging yourself at the cost of using this man's child is deplorable. 

[charmed1]

13 hours ago, Jextella said:

I'm not clear on it either.  Maybe others have different thoughts but what I'm thinking is that Dorinda should get the party-girl moniker over Sonja given the alleged cocaine usage.

 

12 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Now I am dating myself-last century people would say, "he got a bum rap", I think Miss Knowit all, needs a brush up on her language skills.  Bumrap usually means someone was unjustly accused of something.

Ohhh thanks guys. That makes sense. I kid you not, I was thinking Sonja was promoting some other Sexy J business venture like Hip Hop Ultimate Dance Party 1997. Your explanation makes more sense. I tend to go from zero to ridiculous in a matter of seconds.

[mwell345]

1 hour ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Agree. These are the capability of antics Kelly B called her out on.... They are very down there ! Bethenny is, was and always will be capable of this. #kellywasright 

Indulging yourself at the cost of using this man's child is deplorable

And somewhere, Kelly is sitting on her very high horse, drinking champagne thoughtfully provided by Jill Zarin and laughing her ass off. In a million years, who would have ever thought that #kellywasright?

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, Castina said:

If that Tamara Tattles was correct and Bethenny had a picture of one of the castmates using coke to use on the show then it's possible the reason some of the ladies shut it down was because they know Bethenny would pull out those pictures if they pushed the topic.  She clearly had special permission to have her phone on set as a tool.  

I just really don't understand how Bethenny still has fans.  I can't wrap my head around it because it just seems so obvious what a horrible person she is that has no respect for boundaries of her castmates while insisting they stay out and respect hers.  I can't help but wonder at times if her more vocal fans are employees.  Whoever runs the SkinnyGirlBrand account engages in this horseshit which again, blows my mind because you want to sell the shit, not alienate women who might buy it. 

eta...and for the record I think all housewives on all franchises have their issues, you would have to to take part in this type of show. I just find her to be incredibly mean, nasty, vile, vulgar, narcissistic and most concerning is how destructive she is with zero empathy for anyone in her path.  Its just not normal.   

Finally I can't help but laugh at the irony of Andy Cohen's twitter campaign/rampage against Donald Trump while celebrating, at the same time, Bethenny Frankel. Does he really not see the similarities?

I am going to say at this point, if there were a picture it would be out there.  It is not as if all pictures have to be vetted through Bethenny.  This allegation came up originally back in early November.  I still have issues with a photograph, as it is unreliable as to what was being ingested and the integrity of the photograph.  If it were someone connected with production who told-shame on them for the blackmail. 

I think Bethenny, if Sonja hasn't beat her to it, should come up with a Snoopygirl or Shadygirl, trademark.

Bethenny has fans because people like to see people win and lose on reality shows.  RH franchises have slowly morphed from candid reality to competition reality.  With the play for pay scenario, there is even a greater incentive to mix things up.  There is a faction of people who consider Bethenny a winner and a role model, because she gets way with calling another woman, someone she views as an adversary when it comes to men, as a whore, slut, plastic fuck doll, biggest whore in Macy's window.   She justifies by saying Luann wrote a book about etiquette and for some reason that means she can't have sex or Bethenny can loudly and frequently protest Luann's choice of husband.  Carole is just as guilty for her tag on to Bethenny's ad hominem attacks.

[Beden]

4 hours ago, Castina said:

Finally I can't help but laugh at the irony of Andy Cohen's twitter campaign/rampage against Donald Trump while celebrating, at the same time, Bethenny Frankel. Does he really not see the similarities?

But, as far as I know, Andy and Co aren't making any money off of Trump while the HW franchises seem to be doing reasonably well for Bravo.

[ElDosEquis]

10 hours ago, Otherkate said:

I'm with you. I can't stand the nicknames and generally skip posts that don't use the real names. It's easier on my sanity, but I do feel like I must be missing parts of the conversation. Blergh. 

I stay away from all posts by people who use a nick name on the board to post.

 

THAT is why I don't proof read my posts.

[ElDosEquis]

8 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

Zoeysmom - exactly.  What did R have to offer this season beside bad hair extensions, bad dancing, and arching her back when posing?   Why didn't B go after all the hypocrisy of R saying she had the best marriage ever, when as B loves to say "everyone" knew he was cheating on her. ?   It's as if the base group - Ramona, Sonja and Luann are terrified what B was going to tell, and who she was going to attack.  Ramona was going to agree with anything B said as long as she didn't go after her.   In the meantime she R just deludes herself into thinking she's 30.

You forgot to mention the staged-post coital appearances by the Ramonster and her two friends, Left and Right.

Ramona might be 3 twenties, two thirties or a forty and a twenty? Her tits are so young they are still breast feeding?

[ElDosEquis]

51 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I am going to say at this point, if there were a picture it would be out there.  It is not as if all pictures have to be vetted through Bethenny.  This allegation came up originally back in early November.  I still have issues with a photograph, as it is unreliable as to what was being ingested and the integrity of the photograph.  If it were someone connected with production who told-shame on them for the blackmail. 

I think Bethenny, if Sonja hasn't beat her to it, should come up with a Snoopygirl or Shadygirl, trademark.

Bethenny has fans because people like to see people win and lose on reality shows.  RH franchises have slowly morphed from candid reality to competition reality.  With the play for pay scenario, there is even a greater incentive to mix things up.  There is a faction of people who consider Bethenny a winner and a role model, because she gets way with calling another woman, someone she views as an adversary when it comes to men, as a whore, slut, plastic fuck doll, biggest whore in Macy's window.   She justifies by saying Luann wrote a book about etiquette and for some reason that means she can't have sex or Bethenny can loudly and frequently protest Luann's choice of husband.  Carole is just as guilty for her tag on to Bethenny's ad hominem attacks.

We DID get a photo of the first kid smoking pot, but don't get one of a NYC castmate drugging??

 bastards.

We all want to call out the people that fuck with us.

Most of us have a filter, manners or the ability to mask out distaste for something that really cheeses us off - some, like Befannee, don't.

I like to watch people beat the snot out of each other in a MMA fight, in real life? Not so much.

I think the biffinay fans are the people who run around with the same kind of outlook about things, but just don't let it escape in 'real life'. There is no way on the planet that someone can defend ANY part of what she brings to the show - her behavior, actions, reactions or claims - and not get some feedback about it.

This isn't "Radio Free Betfanee" where she talks over people and bullies them.

This forum is probably a more representative pulse of the people?

[ElDosEquis]

11 hours ago, CaliCat said:

Ha ha!  Did you leave out Carol on purpose?

Methenny comes with her removable ass buddy/hemorrhoid/tenant, Scare-hole!

So when Meth needs to battle good on the planet, she removes her evil rectum dwelling side kick and proceeds to conquer all that is good, shout down all that is righteous and mock all that we little folk, wouldn't.

Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane....

No, it's some asshole in a NY penthouse named befinny?

[jinjer]

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I think resorting to the Dorinda does drugs, aka John does drugs, cocaine reference was something that was a threat that has turned out to be nothing that most people care about.  Why?  Because saying it wasn't justified by anything John or Dorinda did.  Saying that, Beth 'is' trying to present the idea that Doris and John are coke heads.  I don't get that vibe from either of them.   IIRC, Beth was the first one to disparage John and that was last season.  Heck, Ro yelled at Aviva in St. Barths to take a Xanax.  From that one 'could' assume that Aviva has a prescription which one could assume that Ro has a prescription which then one could assume that Ro does drugs.  I get that some may not get what I'm saying but bottom line for me is that Beth is trying to destroy people's reputations.  And it fell pretty flat, at least in my opinion.  The women, especially Lu, shutting the cocaine thing down was about adding fuel to the fire.  Maybe most of them have done coke.  They're certainly not the first but there definitely was an agreement not to go there.  It crossed a line (no pun intended) and that's why my reaction to this was a yawn in the context of it all. 

For me, it's not about cocaine but rather about how far Beth will go.  And about the 'fear' of how far Beth will go.   They know now how far Beth will go and that's why so many of them are up Beth's rear end.  And Lu was absolutely correct about the vote on' does Beth's new do similar to Lu's'.  They're in fear of Beth.  But what Beth doesn't understand is that being 'right' doesn't always mean you win.   Beth thought that calling her boyfriend's daughter would prove that Beth is innocent.  What she didn't realize that bringing someone's daughter into all of this was more of a turnoff than the proof she was striving for.

And I don't give a 's' about Beth's revelation of somehow knowing through 'mutual' friends that Jules came on the show because Jules knew that she and Michael were going to divorce.  Who cares?  The fact is that Jules admitted she has an ED ( I give her kuddos for admitting this) despite Beth and Carole's disdain.   Going through a divorce is hard.  I'm looking at you Beth and Carole.  Apparently Beth is more concerned about being right than understanding what a person is going through.  That's why I can't stand either one of them.  And, Carole, if you can't stand looking at Jules eat, maybe you need to put a mirror in front of yourself and see how you eat in front of others.  As for Beth, if you think that you had the worst childhood ever because your mother had an ED, you need to do a google.  I just 'can't' with these two.  They both need a reality check. 

Breezy424 this is such an accurate assessment IMO. 

Not fair to say why people are fans of Bethenny.  Just snark on her not her fans. She gives enough reason alone for me to dislike her.  I used to really root for her bc she was witty and worked hard and Jill went in hard on her.  I didn't like Kelly, but I didn't like Bethenny's, "See I told you" gloating either on Scary Island either when it was clear Kelly was crazy.  I think Bethenny has jumped over into the glitterati/fabulosity crowed that she accused Kelly of being part of and lost her damn mind.

She needs a new therapist. STAT. Calling the daughter is just beyond the pale. "The lady doth protest too much."  Accusing people of doing drugs -again the old Bethenny would be mortified by that "uncool" behavior. 

[pasdetrois]

6 hours ago, Castina said:

The first time I recall Jules and her ED were a topic was when Bethenny met up with Dorinda, Jules and the two guys for lunch and started talking to Dorinda about how much Jules freaks her out with her long hair and her bones and started comparing her to her mother and how she knows an ED when she sees it.  Which in hindsight was correct but my god how f**king rude she is to sit there and say that shit in that setting.  Then we see Carole carrying it on at the bra party in another, to me, "wtf is with these rude women" and there is no way that Bethenny hadn't filled her in about the new anorexic cast member before that.  The way those two went at her is just mindblowing.

Bethenny and Carole are jealous of Jules because she is beautiful, has lustrous long natural hair,  and is too skinny. As only moderately attractive women who are obsessed with being thin , they are very competitive with Jules and cannot tolerate that she is skinnier and more beautiful than they are. It's a competitive mind-set that some anorexics have. Only Bethenny and Carole tried to spin it as concern.

I just read Tama Janowitz's latest memoir. She mentions meeting Lee Radziwill and how terribly thin Lee was. Tama riffed on what it must feel like to deprive oneself of good food and nutrients over many years. I wonder about the health consequences - brittle bones in old age. One of my ballet-world friends who starved herself her entire life tripped and slammed into a countertop, and her hip and thigh shattered. It was impossible to do a regular repair with pins and rods because her bones are crumbly - they had to use a concrete-like filler. Her surgeon said her lifelong diet contributed to the state of her bones.

Carole was also very, very quick to correct Andy about Luann's status as a countess. Carole is very competitive in the third-rate aristocracy world.

[ezzy4]

I suspect the reason most want to shut down the drug (cocain) talk is that they know it doesn't play well in middle America.  It's a business decision.  So Beth is making side glances at Andy, like "really?  I thought we've been told not to talk about this"...and everyone get uncomfortable...and Dorinda's not sure what to say...and only Sonja (who has NOTHING left to lose) jumps at the opportunity to discuss.  

[SweetieDarling]

I am always entertained when there is someone on one of these shows that feels the need for justice, or revenge or to be the truth cannon, thinking that the viewers will appreciate "the truth" about the other castmates.  They spend the season on their high horse thinking, during filming, that the fans will eat this up and make them the favorite.  The smugness with which they prance through the season,  while exposing their truths, then when the shows air, they get ripped to shreds on social media and the message boards for their behavior. It ALWAYS backfires, just ask Brandi, Eileen Davidson, Lisa Rinna, Jac Laurita, Caroline Manzo, etc how it worked out for them. 

[ezzy4]

I admit I found Beth interesting/funny the first few years...it was when I saw one of her therapy sessions when it first occurred to me that there was something seriously off about her personality.  I orginally thought she was playing to the cameras...now I think there are some serious issues.  She's unstable.  The stress of being on these shows CANNOT be good for her mental health.

Her dislike of Lu could be based on absolutely anything or more likely nothing in particular.  Certainly it isn't based on Lu's sleeping around.  I think we all know Beth doesn't have those sorts of puritan values.  She's just chose something to pin on Lu.  And now it's coming back to bite her.  

All this back and forth conversation about slut shaming vs when the Beth/Dennis relation ship started is all for nothing (imho).  Non of the dynamics we are witnessing have anything to do with that.  Beth hates Lu...to the detriment of the show.  Now every comment Beth makes about Lu just bores me...cause its always the same..."blah, blah, blah I hate Lu".  Broken record.  No insights.  No real opinions based on current situations.  Nothing to further any interest in the show.

And Carole too.  Just chomping at the bit to bite Lu.  Boring.  

These women should learn we viewers like to see interactions involving current topic/actions...not the constant rehashing of old ventattas (sp?) (That goes for you RHNJ too!!)  Damn it...do your jobs!!  Lol.

Now Lu's weird giddiness about finding a man "who wants to marry her!"  (He really, really wants to marry HER!! ) is fascinating!  That can't actually be real, right?  Grown women don't actually act like this, right?  I just can't stop watching this!!!  Good stuff.

[Sai]

On OC when Kelly started calling Shannon and Tamra terrible names, Heather jumped up and screamed that it was enough and her behavior was unacceptable.   I really wish someone had done that when Bethenny started calling Luann a whore at the reunion.  It was terrible to watch and I wouldn't have been able to just sit there and watch and not say anything.  Next week it does look like Dorinda does finally speak up to Bethenny when she starts talking smack about Jules and her marriage.  Dorinda tells her to stay out of it....mind your business.  I CAN NOT wait for that!!

[Beden]

2 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

This isn't "Radio Free Betfanee" where she talks over people and bullies them.

So has her new radio show begun yet? I happen to live in a semi-mountainous area so radio reception totally sucks, even if (in some state of coma or idiocy opted to listen...I'm a books on CD while driving lady). And if so, any updates on how it's doing?

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, ezzy4 said:

I admit I found Beth interesting/funny the first few years...it was when I saw one of her therapy sessions when it first occurred to me that there was something seriously off about her personality.  I orginally thought she was playing to the cameras...now I think there are some serious issues.  She's unstable.  The stress of being on these shows CANNOT be good for her mental health.

Her dislike of Lu could be based on absolutely anything or more likely nothing in particular.  Certainly it isn't based on Lu's sleeping around.  I think we all know Beth doesn't have those sorts of puritan values.  She's just chose something to pin on Lu.  And now it's coming back to bite her.  

All this back and forth conversation about slut shaming vs when the Beth/Dennis relation ship started is all for nothing (imho).  Non of the dynamics we are witnessing have anything to do with that.  Beth hates Lu...to the detriment of the show.  Now every comment Beth makes about Lu just bores me...cause its always the same..."blah, blah, blah I hate Lu".  Broken record.  No insights.  No real opinions based on current situations.  Nothing to further any interest in the show.

And Carole too.  Just chomping at the bit to bite Lu.  Boring.  

These women should learn we viewers like to see interactions involving current topic/actions...not the constant rehashing of old ventattas (sp?) (That goes for you RHNJ too!!)  Damn it...do your jobs!!  Lol.

Now Lu's weird giddiness about finding a man "who wants to marry her!"  (He really, really wants to marry HER!! ) is fascinating!  That can't actually be real, right?  Grown women don't actually act like this, right?  I just can't stop watching this!!!  Good stuff.

Essentially Bethenny is the basest of tyrants.  In her words she comes "unhinged" when some does not agree with her on just about anything.  She is jealous, petty and mean.  She tries to cover her bases by co-authoring books on mental health, televised seeing of a therapist so she can claim mental illness, because she is then a victim.  At this point I think she wants Luann to retract her book, nothing short of that will make Bethenny happy, oh and break it off with Tom, or admit to Bethenny's notion that she and Tom's relationship is a façade, set in motion to thwart her.  Wake up Dennis, if she is this tyrannical about a co-worker's relationship, what the hell do you think she will do to you nd your children when any one of you fails to agree with her? 

If Dennis is such a catch, what the hell does he see in her?  He must have watched her shows, the ones where she professed so much love for Jason and then turned on him and tried not only to destroy him but deprive him of the legal right to his child.  The vulgar base tirades, name calling assumptions and accusations based on rumor.  If we saw it, he should be looking for it.  The guy is 50 years old, why would he want to waste his time waiting for Bethenny the ticking time bomb to explode?  All I can say is he better be prepared for collateral damage.

Luann views marriage as a good thing, a happy thing, so essentially she is going to gush.  She is a gusher.

[Beden]

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

Bethenny and Carole are jealous of Jules because she is beautiful, has lustrous long natural hair,  and is too skinny. As only moderately attractive women who are obsessed with being thin , they are very competitive with Jules and cannot tolerate that she is skinnier and more beautiful than they are. It's a competitive mind-set that some anorexics have. Only Bethenny and Carole tried to spin it as concern.

A number of years ago I was listening to an interview of Gloria Steinem. She mentioned that she had recently attended her college reunion at Smith. The interviewer asked how she was received and she said everyone had been nice and welcoming and added that the most common comment she received (after having written a number of books, founding Ms magazine and been a leader of the feminist/gender equality movement--and no,l I'm not looking for a debate about that subject) was 'but you're so thin--how do you do it?'.

Some things don't change, it seems.

[NewDigs]

2 hours ago, ezzy4 said:

I suspect the reason most want to shut down the drug (cocain) talk is that they know it doesn't play well in middle America.  It's a business decision.  So Beth is making side glances at Andy, like "really?  I thought we've been told not to talk about this"...and everyone get uncomfortable...and Dorinda's not sure what to say...and only Sonja (who has NOTHING left to lose) jumps at the opportunity to discuss.  

I'm not sure where it would play well.

I think that outing someone's illegal activities is disgraceful. And doing it on national teeve adds an extra level of bile. Who knows the ramifications of that kind of disclosure? 

To what end is that considered fair play? I can't think of a one. Sonja was out of line. She's so desperate for a storyline she'll grasp at any straw. 

And, imho, anyone doing the outing should be prepared to expose their own behaviors, past and present, but probably won't. 

And I find it difficult to believe that only one of that cast has dabbled. 

[sasha206]

On 9/2/2016 at 1:15 PM, beeziebee said:

Jules is stunningly beautiful.  

Agreed.  I didn't see it at first, but I think she is one exotic beauty.  And I like her!  Can't helpt it.

[Trooper York]

4 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Bethenny and Carole are jealous of Jules because she is beautiful, has lustrous long natural hair,  and is too skinny. As only moderately attractive women who are obsessed with being thin , they are very competitive with Jules and cannot tolerate that she is skinnier and more beautiful than they are. It's a competitive mind-set that some anorexics have. Only Bethenny and Carole tried to spin it as concern.

 

I think this is exactly right. These are two aging nasty unappealing women who can only buy companionship. Say what you want about Sonja and Luann they are attractive sexual beings who seem like they would be a lot of fun to be around. Maybe not marry. But hooking up? Sure. FWB? Absolutely.

Who in their right mind would want to be attached to Bethenny or Carole? Unless you were getting something out of it? Money. A book deal. Fame whoredom. It beggars belief.  

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I am going to say at this point, if there were a picture it would be out there.  It is not as if all pictures have to be vetted through Bethenny.  This allegation came up originally back in early November.  I still have issues with a photograph, as it is unreliable as to what was being ingested and the integrity of the photograph.  If it were someone connected with production who told-shame on them for the blackmail. 

 

Well, I'd probably be more inclined to go the 'cocaine' route.

You can snort pills, heroin or crank...but these people probably are not as depraved as someone who would go THAT route to get high.

[RedheadZombie]

5 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Carole was also very, very quick to correct Andy about Luann's status as a countess. Carole is very competitive in the third-rate aristocracy world.

I thought that Carole very calmly corrected Lu, and I appreciated it.   Lu is no longer allowed to call herself countess.  There's only one person per title, and Alex's current wife is the countess. And Lu is fully aware of this.  It's part of her entire fake persona, and being the liar that she is. 

Personally, I believe this title stuff is bullshit in this country.  They looked stupid enough trying to use these titles in Italy, but it's complete BS in the US.  Carole has never been the one to promote that she's technically a princess.  Unlike Lee, Carole seems to feel the whole thing's foolish, and she acts a little embarrassed by it.  I've never heard her brag about mingling with eurotrash with titles, or the huge chandeliers, gigantic chalets, or other Trump-like braggadocio.  Which is the opposite of Lu.  I get hating Carole, but can she be hated for what she actually does, and not imagined things?

Now that I think about it, Lu reminds me of Lee. Except Lee was actually born into high society, was a debutante, therefore a born and bred snob and elitist.  Lu's a quintessential social climber, and I guess some find it admirable.   My middle class sensibilities find both repugnant. 

[ElDosEquis]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Essentially Bethenny is the basest of tyrants.  In her words she comes "unhinged" when some does not agree with her on just about anything.  She is jealous, petty and mean.  She tries to cover her bases by co-authoring books on mental health, televised seeing of a therapist so she can claim mental illness, because she is then a victim.  At this point I think she wants Luann to retract her book, nothing short of that will make Bethenny happy, oh and break it off with Tom, or admit to Bethenny's notion that she and Tom's relationship is a façade, set in motion to thwart her.  Wake up Dennis, if she is this tyrannical about a co-worker's relationship, what the hell do you think she will do to you nd your children when any one of you fails to agree with her? 

If Dennis is such a catch, what the hell does he see in her?  He must have watched her shows, the ones where she professed so much love for Jason and then turned on him and tried not only to destroy him but deprive him of the legal right to his child.  The vulgar base tirades, name calling assumptions and accusations based on rumor.  If we saw it, he should be looking for it.  The guy is 50 years old, why would he want to waste his time waiting for Bethenny the ticking time bomb to explode?  All I can say is he better be prepared for collateral damage.

Luann views marriage as a good thing, a happy thing, so essentially she is going to gush.  She is a gusher.

I see what you did there! Clever!

You framed Biffanny well.

Me?

I don't want Denny to wake up, If you are stupid enough to play games, give out rings and STILL date someone who professes only to date people with money.

You deserve to have your dick flayed, split down the middle and cut off your person.

[izabella]

This reunion was even more gross and disgusting than this whole Bethy Rage season was.  The worst for me?  That rigor mortis grimace on Bethy's face after she put Shields' daughter on the phone to read her prepared script "on behalf of herself and her siblings."  That was as close as Bethy came to a smile when talking about her lover.  She was The Joker on a bad day as she leaned over Luann, "See?  See!  I'm not a homewrecking, manstealing whore like you!"  Watch it, Bethy.  Your face is going to freeze that way.

Edited September 3, 2016 by izabella

[Celia Rubenstein]

21 hours ago, Knuckles said:

I hope Dorinda does not let this rest This is incredibly damaging, and will haunt her, and could very possibly damage his business. I sincerely hope she has contacted her lawyers. Bethy is spraying not just poison, but making criminal allegations on national television. Bravo by the way is complicit in that this is not a live show...they have the power to edit the footage and they chose to include this. Sue the bitch. And take Sonja with her. 

Like I said...this is the time to contact the lawyers...criminal allegations have been made and continue to be made. Clear your name and protect John's business...sue the bitches. 

You are assuming John can clear his name.  Maybe he knows he can't.  And even if he is totally innocent, he could still lose his case, you realize.  Innocence does not guarantee victory. 

But a couple of things are guaranteed to happen if he starts suing people ...  It will cost a fortune, bring a ton of attention to the allegations and make them known among people who don't bother with this silly show, and whatever it is the allegations are based upon would be spelled out in detail for all to know.  And while Beth may not have Scarface-type footage of John sitting at his desk behind a mountain of cocaine, whatever she does have might still be pretty embarrassing.  Not to mention the whole process takes up a lot of time and it's stressful as hell. When you get involved in a lawsuit like that, it become all-consuming. I don't there is any point to suing.

I also don't think there is any point to people being all indignant on John's behalf, either. He is a dry cleaner in NYC. I think most of his customers care about his prices and the quality of work his stores do. Not what he does in his free time.  I doubt these allegations have hurt his business much.  I doubt him actually being arrested for possessing cocaine would hurt his business that much.  He's not a schoolteacher accused of showing up to class stoned.  He's not an airline pilot or a surgeon whose drug habits put people in peril. In the end, the time/money/stress/aggravation and potential for additional embarrassment simply outweigh whatever he stands to gain.  His pride and reputation are at stake, I suppose.  But when you sit down and really add up the pluses and minuses, you have to have a serious ego investment in your squeaky clean image to be willing to fight it out in court. And John doesn't seem like that kind of person to me.  At all.

[ElDosEquis]

2 minutes ago, izabella said:

This reunion was even more gross and disgusting than this whole Bethy Rage season was.  The worst for me?  That rigor mortis grimace on Bethy's face after she put Shields' daughter on the phone to read her prepared script "on behalf of herself and her siblings."  That was as close as Bethy came to a smile when talking about her lover.  She was The Joker on a bad day as she leaned over Luann, "See?  See!  I'm not a homewrecking, manstealing whore like you!"  Watch it, Bethy.  Your face is going to freeze that way.

Again, I'd love for Mr Peabody to fire up that Time Masheen and go a few years into the future - Ramona will have breasts that will be larger than her age.

Scareole would have 'run out of summers', Sonja is back to drinking and doing Strip-lesque, Dorinda will be in rehab, Jules will probably be more beautiful, the Discountess will still be married and Methenny will be "a bumbling and a tumbling" along bad mouthing Dummy, ah er, Denny about what a bastard, thief and scumbag he is?

Somethings never change?

[ElDosEquis]

7 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

You are assuming John can clear his name.  Maybe he knows he can't.  And even if he is totally innocent, he could still lose his case, you realize.  Innocence does not guarantee victory. 

But a couple of things are guaranteed to happen if he starts suing people ...  It will cost a fortune, bring a ton of attention to the allegations and make them known among people who don't bother with this silly show, and whatever it is the allegations are based upon would be spelled out in detail for all to know.  And while Beth may not have Scarface-type footage of John sitting at his desk behind a mountain of cocaine, whatever she does have might still be pretty embarrassing.  Not to mention the whole process takes up a lot of time and it's stressful as hell. When you get involved in a lawsuit like that, it become all-consuming. I don't there is any point to suing.

I also don't think there is any point to people being all indignant on John's behalf, either. He is a dry cleaner in NYC. I think most of his customers care about his prices and the quality of work his stores do. Not what he does in his free time.  I doubt these allegations have hurt his business much.  I doubt him actually being arrested for possessing cocaine would hurt his business that much.  He's not a schoolteacher accused of showing up to class stoned.  He's not an airline pilot or a surgeon whose drug habits put people in peril. In the end, the time/money/stress/aggravation and potential for additional embarrassment simply outweigh whatever he stands to gain.  His pride and reputation are at stake, I suppose.  But when you sit down and really add up the pluses and minuses, you have to have a serious ego investment in your squeaky clean image to be willing to fight it out in court. And John doesn't seem like that kind of person to me.  At all.

I once heard a story about a neighborhood man who ran over a dog in his car.

It was an accident, but for as long as the man drove in the 'hood, people would point and call out "DOG KILLER".

Kinda the same story here?

People are going to hear various twists on the story and it is going to hound them no matter what?

I don't thing John ever came out and claimed to be squeaky clean, But I do think that his claim to be 'the best cleaning business' in New York to be more in line to what he is selling. His personality?

Not so much.

[Pollock]

45 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I thought that Carole very calmly corrected Lu, and I appreciated it.   Lu is no longer allowed to call herself countess.  There's only one person per title, and Alex's current wife is the countess. And Lu is fully aware of this.  It's part of her entire fake persona, and being the liar that she is.

Luann was joking. Like "once a cheater, always a cheater" or whatever else you want to put in it but given the reunion theme, I can't think of anything else. Just a joke. Not a funny one because Luann isn't funny, most of the time she just repeats the last funny thing someone said and laughs but she wasn't saying she would be forever a countess even when she'll be Mrs Tom Whatever.  So "I don't think that's true" from Carole was plain dumb or playing dumb if you give her bad intentions.

 

Anyway, I just watched the reunion after bracing myself for two days and skipping the last three episodes and it was everything I thought it would be (disgusting) and even more: it was repugnant. All I could see was Kelly's face, the famous one where she looks like somebody put manure in front of her. I think I made the same face during 45 minutes. 
The Palme d'Or is for Sonja (paroting Bethenny who played coy during the reunion but signed sealed and delivered later on twitter if I read correctly) claming on tv that her co-worker does cocaine all the time. Yeah right, that's a clever thing to say... in a country where it's illegal. What the fuck is wrong with those women? Do they think their co-workers are also all related to the Hiltons like Kim Richards and they could escape jail time? Did they took no note from the housewife who got sent in jail because the IRS found odd that they were paying 2 dollars in taxes while flounting cash on tv? Seriously? I just can't with that. Play with the pigs, the slutshamers, the etiquette books, parasites brand, divorces and general hypocrisy but could we stay clear from making the police raise an eyebrow when they get wind of this? If no Real Housewife is implicated in a snafu with Justice this year, I'd find it refreshing. 

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

Agreed.  I didn't see it at first, but I think she is one exotic beauty.  And I like her!  Can't help it.

I worked for a woman who looked like Jules.  She was about 6 foot tall, long black hair and a nice personality.

I could not stand to be in the same room with her.

 

I'd begin to stutter and fidget because I was totally stunned by the way she looked and no matter how hard I tried, I just could not keep it together.

The photo of Jules at the reunion gave me the same visceral reaction.  Jules shed the caul of marriage and now we see the person beneath?
 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

I thought that Carole very calmly corrected Lu, and I appreciated it.   Lu is no longer allowed to call herself countess.  There's only one person per title, and Alex's current wife is the countess. And Lu is fully aware of this.  It's part of her entire fake persona, and being the liar that she is. 

Personally, I believe this title stuff is bullshit in this country.  They looked stupid enough trying to use these titles in Italy, but it's complete BS in the US.  Carole has never been the one to promote that she's technically a princess.  Unlike Lee, Carole seems to feel the whole thing's foolish, and she acts a little embarrassed by it.  I've never heard her brag about mingling with eurotrash with titles, or the huge chandeliers, gigantic chalets, or other Trump-like braggadocio.  Which is the opposite of Lu.  I get hating Carole, but can she be hated for what she actually does, and not imagined things?

Now that I think about it, Lu reminds me of Lee. Except Lee was actually born into high society, was a debutante, therefore a born and bred snob and elitist.  Lu's a quintessential social climber, and I guess some find it admirable.   My middle class sensibilities find both repugnant. 

That is not true-if Alex remarried before her, Luann could still go by Countess. What Luann is saying is she has been referred to as Countess, and if people continue to call her Countess it is okay.  It is her brand.   It is not as if she could use Countess de Lesseps-D'Agnostino.  She plans on using Tom's last name after she marries. It was exceptionally hypocritical coming from Radziwill whose, MIL, milked that last name through subsequent marriage and never turned down being called Princess, a title that was just a social courtesy and not recognized as a royal in Great Britain.

Maybe Carole  didn't hang out with people with titles, or huge chandeliers,  there don't seem to be a lot of people with titles at ABC News.  I think Carole is fairly well-mannered and if in a situation with Eurotrash with titles, as you call them, she would be respectful.  Carole did bring up to Andy the first time she met him, after talking about some land she had title to that she was technically a princess-so she knows when to turn it off and on.  She did the same with Ramona and has a Princess pillow on her couch.  Carole has not been shy, wrote a book about her closeness with John Kennedy and his wife, dropped the names of Clooney and Fiennes as suitors, so she is not without her braggadocio.  To me, if they lived it they should be able to talk about it. 

Luann will always be the mother to the future Count de Lesseps, so I think she does need to show the tradition some respect. (Luann does get upset when people refer to Noel as a Countlet.)

[zoeysmom]

Just now, Celia Rubenstein said:

I don't want to shame Luann for squirting.  But is it okay with people if I shame Ramona for mentioning it? 

Bless you and can I shame Harry for disclosing it?

[Celia Rubenstein]

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

Bless you and can I shame Harry for disclosing it?

Shame away!!!  Throw some stones if you have 'em handy.  Harry is a pig.  Who SAYS something like that about a woman?   Who repeats it?  And on camera ... 

These people are all just awful.  I am glad I don't really know any of them.  I take that back - Bethenny's driver seems like a nice guy.  The rest of them suck.  

[Bronzedog]

Is there a full moon?