The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy

[ginger90]

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Edited September 2, 2018 by ginger90

[MunichNark]

I bought myself a couple of dresses over the summer, as they tend to be nicer when it's hot. I'm not really a dress/skirts person ususally but when I do wear then, I do feel different, more girlie or ladylike. Well, that is until I got a pair of just above the knee short thingies to wear under for modesty and comfort. It felt like I was wearing shorts with a tunic or some such thing, the "dress feeling" completely disappeared.

Small wonder those wee girls seem rather unladylike, wearing those stupid leggins under their skirts, they dont know how to sit properly in one or act like a Lady. It's really counterproductive. Let them wear jeans and trousers ffs, they won't be any less of a woman in the long run. It IS possible to be womanly and wear jeans at the same time. Teach them actual skills, like cooking, cleaning, housekeeping and whatnot, that would at least achieve something.

[louannems]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

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Denim skirts and, naturally, TWO shirts for the girls, in Arkansas summer heat.

[Vaysh]

Well, I don't see why little girls should have to be ladylike in the first place. I'm actually quite happy that the Duggars are not forcing those girls to restrain their movements to fulfil their antiquated gender roles like they did with the eldest girls. I think they pushed the "ladylike" thing hard on the eldest four; there was a time when Jill just wouldn't shut up about it. Ladies do this, young ladies shouldn't do that. I'm hoping the leggings under skirts thing is a realisation that kids should be allowed to be kids, run around and play, and sit however they damn well please. There's no way they'll be allowed to wear actual trousers while under their parents thumb so this is the next best thing IMO.

[madpsych78]

5 hours ago, ginger90 said:

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Heh, my first thought was that JB was out on a date with Dwain and the kids were the chaperones. Then I recognized that Dwain wasn't there, just his sons (well, I'm assuming those are Swanson boys).

[Nysha]

2 hours ago, Vaysh said:

Well, I don't see why little girls should have to be ladylike in the first place. I'm actually quite happy that the Duggars are not forcing those girls to restrain their movements to fulfil their antiquated gender roles like they did with the eldest girls...I'm hoping the leggings under skirts thing is a realisation that kids should be allowed to be kids, run around and play, and sit however they damn well please. 

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I think it's less that they are allowing their young daughters to play like kids than Michelle & Jim Bob can no longer be bothered to parent them. Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger all had the "advantage" of being parented solely by Michelle & Jim Bob and poor Joy had the ladylike restrictions forced on her once the Duggars got on TLC and people started commenting about her being a tomboy. Johanna was starting to be indoctrinated but Joshgate happened and when the show came back the younger Duggar kids were not included. If Jim Bob and Michelle manage to finagle their way back on the show using the Lost Girls' singing career as a springboard, I'm pretty sure the free play will be shut down and those girls will get a boot camp education on how to behave like a lady.

ETA: Why do the little girls have to wear another shirt under their t-shirts? I understand the thinking behind having them wear tank tops under lightweight or semi-low cut dresses and blouses; God forbid anyone sees their collarbones. But the t-shirts cover everything up to the neck, so the second shirt isn't needed for their misplaced modesty.

Edited September 2, 2018 by Nysha

[Readalot]

It would be nice to see the kids wear t-shirts that are the appropriate size. 

[ginger90]

Mystery solved. Amy’s an Activities Director.

[Triple P]

10 hours ago, ginger90 said:

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Is that Michelle on the left, sitting away from the group? If it is who is that man on the bench behind her?

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, Triple P said:

Is that Michelle on the left, sitting away from the group? If it is who is that man on the bench behind her?

I thought it looked like her too. Back to the family.

[louannems]

That cannot be Michelle.  That lady has her sluttish skirt pulled up to her mid thighs showing her nakedness!

[Sew Sumi]

Mechelle's list a lot of weight. That woman has some serious back fat. She can't be the only woman in BE A with that wretched rat's nest glued to get head.

[Absolom]

I don't think the hair is quite rat's nest enough or poofy enough on top to be Michelle added with the rest, but the resemblance is great.

[kokapetl]

On 02/09/2018 at 6:48 PM, ginger90 said:

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I swear, 80 percent of the Duggar’s wardrobe is Razorback t shirts. 

[louannems]

19 minutes ago, kokapetl said:

I swear, 80 percent of the Duggar’s wardrobe is Razorback t shirts. 

Unless they are shown on teeeveee.

Then it's all khakis and buttoned up polos with a tee shirt underneath.

[xwordfanatik]

Boob's shit-eating grin is hideous.

Isn't poor little Josie old enough for braces?  She has some disturbing dentition.

[Temperance]

Josie's at the age when some her teeth are missing and growing in. She needs more of her adult teeth to grow in before she gets braces. Her teeth will look better when they grow in.

[kokapetl]

One of Josie’s front teeth looks like it’s 5 mm in front of the other one. She’s gonna end up with braces. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

I’ll give Boob credit for at least doing something with his kids, and it appears to be something they enjoy.  MOTY would never do anything like that.  

[xwordfanatik]

16 hours ago, Temperance said:

Josie's at the age when some her teeth are missing and growing in. She needs more of her adult teeth to grow in before she gets braces. Her teeth will look better when they grow in.

Good to know.  She will look a lot better with nicer teeth.

[Celia Rubenstein]

i admit Josie looks pretty raggedy right now, but I have the feeling she is going to age into being a very pretty girl.

[madpsych78]

I was pretty impressed with Justin and Josie's skiing on last night's episode. Didn't see that one coming!

[xwordfanatik]

On 9/16/2018 at 11:05 PM, Celia Rubenstein said:

i admit Josie looks pretty raggedy right now, but I have the feeling she is going to age into being a very pretty girl.

That would be good to see, just like I hope Truely on SW grows up to be a beauty.  Some beautiful little kids don't grow up looking as nice as they used to look, and it's also true odd-looking kids can look ever so much better as adults.

[ginger90]

On 9/2/2018 at 4:11 PM, ginger90 said:

Mystery solved. Amy’s an Activities Director.

 

 

Job title change, and the name of the facility has been omitted:

[GeeGolly]

Therapist? Any type of therapist I can think of needs a degree - respiratory therapist, occupational therapist, physical therapist or mental health therapist, etc.

What's a RT therapist?

[Churchhoney]

43 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Therapist? Any type of therapist I can think of needs a degree - respiratory therapist, occupational therapist, physical therapist or mental health therapist, etc.

What's a RT therapist?

A ReTweet therapist? 

[GeeGolly]

4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

A ReTweet therapist? 

Hi Churchie.

[Churchhoney]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Hi Churchie.

Hi! Yes, I definitely missed you! 

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Hi! Yes, I definitely missed you! 

Very much missed you as well!

[louannems]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Therapist? Any type of therapist I can think of needs a degree - respiratory therapist, occupational therapist, physical therapist or mental health therapist, etc.

What's a RT therapist?

I was an RT for 31 years: Radiologic Technologist. 1 year of prerequisites, followed by a 27 month program, including full time BOTH summers.

I bet Amy thinks RT means Recreation Therapist.  And she adds therapist to clarify.  Kind of like JillRod says she takes baby Janessa to a neurologist doctor!

[doodlebug]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Therapist? Any type of therapist I can think of needs a degree - respiratory therapist, occupational therapist, physical therapist or mental health therapist, etc.

What's a RT therapist?

In real life, RT is a respiratory therapist or radiology technician  but that requires training, qualifications and experience, so we know that’s not  what Amy is doing.  I think it probably stands for ‘recreational therapist’ or some other made up title for a job that requires no training, qualifications or experience.  At least she’s got an actual job.

[queenanne]

3 hours ago, doodlebug said:

In real life, RT is a respiratory therapist or radiology technician  but that requires training, qualifications and experience, so we know that’s not  what Amy is doing.  I think it probably stands for ‘recreational therapist’ or some other made up title for a job that requires no training, qualifications or experience.  At least she’s got an actual job.

I thought that Amy's basic "clarifications" made it sound like a lot of what other people guessed would be "presiding over activities/free time", like handing out cards/potholder weaving frames/organizing rounds of musical chairs, etc.

[awaken]

RT’s were recreation therapists when I worked in rehab. They had no actual therapeutic training, and were often enthusiastic high school students or young adults without degrees, working under the supervision of a trained director of therapeutic recreation. Props to her for having a job though!

”just a devoted wife!”  

[Zella]

I used to do a library program at our local nursing home, and we had to work with the activity directors. I'm thinking this is similar, though she's not working in a nursing home.

They went through 4 (hired one twice) in the two years I did the program. I don't think any of them had a background in therapy, though they were all long-term employees of the nursing home. Weirdly enough, the only person in the room with a background in therapy was the librarian I worked with. She had a bachelor's in occupational therapy. 

I'd say if Amy is a people person with something resembling organizational skills and had a creative bent, she might really enjoy that work and do well at it. 

[CalicoKitty]

I was the Activities Director at a nursing home for one summer while the actual Activities Director was on vacation.  I actually loved the job, but it was a lot of hard work.  There were specific programs to run, such as arts and crafts, current events discussions, music and singing time, game time with board games and card games, and hosting visiting speakers or performers.  I had to help transport a lot of wheelchairs and walkers to said activities, and took time to visit with family members and friends as well as the residents.  It is certainly not just a "make time" job if you do it correctly.  It is also a job that is greatly appreciated by the residents and other employees.  The Activities Director is an important person in a nursing home/assisted living situation, and not everyone can do it well.  Good for Amy if this is something that she really loves.  I'm sure it is appreciated.

[Mollie]

1 hour ago, CalicoKitty said:

I was the Activities Director at a nursing home for one summer while the actual Activities Director was on vacation.  I actually loved the job, but it was a lot of hard work.  There were specific programs to run, such as arts and crafts, current events discussions, music and singing time, game time with board games and card games, and hosting visiting speakers or performers.  I had to help transport a lot of wheelchairs and walkers to said activities, and took time to visit with family members and friends as well as the residents.  It is certainly not just a "make time" job if you do it correctly.  It is also a job that is greatly appreciated by the residents and other employees.  The Activities Director is an important person in a nursing home/assisted living situation, and not everyone can do it well.  Good for Amy if this is something that she really loves.  I'm sure it is appreciated.

Amy doesn't work in a nursing home.  She works in a residential facility for girls with psychiatric, behavioral and addiction problems.  There are only 28 kids there (ages 6-17) and they do go to school most of the day.  At this institution, there are registered nurses, psychiatric nurses, psychiatrists and social workers who do the serious work with these girls. 

In no way is Amy a "therapist" or a "mentor".   Amy is a liar and an egotist. At least she's in a place where she can receive professional help with her personality.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Mollie

[Farmfam]

A good friend of mine has a bachelors degree in Recreational Therapy. She works in nursing homes. 

[Zella]

3 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

I was the Activities Director at a nursing home for one summer while the actual Activities Director was on vacation.  I actually loved the job, but it was a lot of hard work.  There were specific programs to run, such as arts and crafts, current events discussions, music and singing time, game time with board games and card games, and hosting visiting speakers or performers.  I had to help transport a lot of wheelchairs and walkers to said activities, and took time to visit with family members and friends as well as the residents.  It is certainly not just a "make time" job if you do it correctly.  It is also a job that is greatly appreciated by the residents and other employees.  The Activities Director is an important person in a nursing home/assisted living situation, and not everyone can do it well.  Good for Amy if this is something that she really loves.  I'm sure it is appreciated.

I agree it is hard work and something the residents really appreciate. 

2 hours ago, Mollie said:

Amy doesn't work in a nursing home.  She works in a residential facility for girls with psychiatric, behavioral and addiction problems.  There are only 28 kids there (ages 6-17) and they do go to school most of the day.  At this institution, there are registered nurses, psychiatric nurses, psychiatrists and social workers who do the serious work with these girls. 

In no way is Amy a "therapist" or a "mentor".   Amy is a liar and an egotist. At least she's in a place where she can receive professional help with her personality.

Hmm this is interesting. I'm really curious now about what she is doing because I agree that she is likely heavily exaggerating her duties and responsibilities. 

[Nysha]

Working with troubled kids in a closed facility is not an easy undertaking. Amy seems to still be enthusiastic about it and I'm willing to give her the benefit of doubt that she's more than just a glorified babysitter. 

[Mollie]

7 hours ago, Nysha said:

Working with troubled kids in a closed facility is not an easy undertaking. Amy seems to still be enthusiastic about it and I'm willing to give her the benefit of doubt that she's more than just a glorified babysitter. 

Sorry, but Amy isn't qualified for one of the professional jobs at the facility.  Amy is 32-years-old, has never held a full-time job in her life and has no college.  What kind of job do you think someone is going to offer her there?  Plus, there are only 28 girls, so they each do get adequate time with the registered nurses, psychiatrists and social workers.  Amy can pretend all she wants to, but she will never have a professional job there without a college degree.  

[ginger90]

She may not have a professional title, but hopefully she is fulfilling her job duties professionally.

[cdp73]

23 hours ago, doodlebug said:

At least she’s got an actual job.

And that's more than Derick can say.

[Nysha]

It's an actual job that benefits other people, specifically at-risk children and teens. While she's not providing one-on-one mental health therapy, she is still providing a necessary service. My experience with RTC staff is limited to the one my oldest son was in for 2 years. There the staff met weekly to discuss goals and activities for the clients. 

[kokapetl]

Perhaps someone could politely ask for clarification from Amy? 

[lookeyloo]

Whatever her actual job, it appears she has some kind of work ethic in that she seems to have shown up enough and performed well enough that she still has the job.  Yes, I know, we don't know if she is on probation, has been written up for being late, inappropriate, etc.  I am going to give her a point for still working.

[BitterApple]

I'm not sure what exactly Amy is doing, but the one thing I'll say in her favor is she's a very high energy, upbeat person. I remember how excited the Duggar kids used to get the second she walked in the door, and I also remember how the family she nannied for was sad to see her leave. She's definitely good with children, so even if her position is limited to doing recreational activities with them, I think she'll be a good influence.

[GeeGolly]

The behavioral health agencies in my neck of the woods are very careful with titles for job positions. The title of counselor is usually for someone at the bachelor's level of education, but is sometimes used for entry level positions. Therapist is only used when matching a degree.

Mental health therapists and clinicians have master's degrees and licenses. It's disrespectful, IMO, to call yourself a therapist, of any kind, if you haven't put in the time, effort and money to earn the title.

Edited September 25, 2018 by GeeGolly

[Nysha]

The title of her position may have been changed to Recreational Therapist for grant/funding/billing purposes. While you can get a certificate or degree for that position, a quick Google search shows that it is used as a synonym for Activities Director. I had a job as a client counselor for an agency that worked with developmentally delayed adults. The difference between me and the PSR workers was 18 credit hours of Psychology & Sociology classes and $4/hour more in pay because the agency could bill Medicaid extra for my "expertise". If Amy is using the title of her actual job, then she's not being disrespectful. 

[GeeGolly]

20 minutes ago, Nysha said:

The title of her position may have been changed to Recreational Therapist for grant/funding/billing purposes. While you can get a certificate or degree for that position, a quick Google search shows that it is used as a synonym for Activities Director. I had a job as a client counselor for an agency that worked with developmentally delayed adults. The difference between me and the PSR workers was 18 credit hours of Psychology & Sociology classes and $4/hour more in pay because the agency could bill Medicaid extra for my "expertise". If Amy is using the title of her actual job, then she's not being disrespectful. 

A quick Google search shows a bachelor's degree is needed to be a recreational therapist and they make about $40,000+. It's my experience that grants and funding are intentionally specific so their money is well spent and if they require a recreational therapist they want a credentialed one. As far as billing, in my profession and programs like where Amy works insurance companies foot the bill and a position like Amy's would be considered part of the overhead the same way a cook or custodian for the facility would be.

Came back to add that the Department of Mental Health and the Department of Developmental Services have different insurance criteria.

Edited September 25, 2018 by GeeGolly

[queenanne]

12 hours ago, kokapetl said:

Perhaps someone could politely ask for clarification from Amy? 

That's assuming Amy actually knows.  The facility might assign "prestige and/or vanity titles" in order to entice job candidates through the doors for their entry level positions.  There's nothing that even guarantees her position as RT is FT and not PT.