Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Mrsjumbo]

From what I can tell their house is about 30 min away by expressway from the Duggars. Unless they have some back roads shortcut I don't know about.

[Honey]

The 1 thing that they should absolutely add to the baby registry is condoms.  I would buy them personally.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Honey

[Missy Vixen]

Soda on a baby registry?! Now I've heard it all. That's just selfish and greedy.

IMHO, of course, but they're looking for an endorsement deal, aren't they?

[Missy Vixen]

I'm also wondering if Jill is being told that she's now "America's sweetheart" -- in other words, OF COURSE complete strangers will want to buy the costliest and most impractical baby gifts for her! This is the same woman that (I believe) restocked her parents' house with the wedding gifts she requested -- who asks for 40 sets of towels, three irons, two complete sets of kitchen knives and another set sans block, and (IIRC) at least eight complete bedding sets?

 

Imagine the product placement opportunities on 19KAC!

[AmyFarrahFowler]

I'm also wondering if Jill is being told that she's now "America's sweetheart" -- in other words, OF COURSE complete strangers will want to buy the costliest and most impractical baby gifts for her! This is the same woman that (I believe) restocked her parents' house with the wedding gifts she requested -- who asks for 40 sets of towels, three irons, two complete sets of kitchen knives and another set sans block, and (IIRC) at least eight complete bedding sets?

 

Imagine the product placement opportunities on 19KAC!

 

Does she think those ridiculous headbands and hair bows perpetuate that fantasy?

[cereality]

Anyone else think it was awesome that Derick called her Michelle -- instead of Mrs. Duggar or Jill's mom -- when he was doing the TH about her coming to look at wedding venues? I get a lot of fiancés/inlaw's call the spouse's parents by the first name, but somehow I would think JB and Michelle would expect more "respect." After all they could put a stop to the whole wedding if they changed their mind . . . .  They're not going to be able to push Derick around too far. Sure he's living in their house now and with that comes some control, but if there are too many demands on his time, I could see him splitting -- not saying he'll never see her family again, but conveniently buying his own home, moving 30 min further away etc. -- whatever is best for "his" family not JB and Michelle.

 

JD is such a douche. I love how he says in the previews that Derick and Ben have a lot to prove. Derick has nothing to prove to JD. If he does well on rock climbing, great. If he doesn't, oh well. I don't see him being like Ben and thinking "OMG I'm so nervous, what will they think." Derick knows who he is -- a college educated man with a professional job, mission experience etc. Meanwhile JD has never lived away from home for worked for anyone else his whole life -- not counting his volunteer fireman and constable gigs. His confidence comes from being the oldest brother in town who can now push around his brothers in law -- he'll be able to get that with young, unqualified, under confident Ben, but not so much with Derick.

[BitterApple]

I can't imagine someone as immature as JD serving as a firefighter or constable. It's one thing to light-heartedly tease your sister's beaux, but the Duggars are very petty and mean spirited in their treatment of Bin. It's like they're joking, but they're really not...

 

Regarding their respectfulness towards Derick, I wonder if Boob explicitly told the kids not to eff with him, or they just sensed he was more confident and wasn't going to take any crap.

[cereality]

I bet the other kids didn't mess with Derick day to day while he was courting because they couldn't. If Joseph or JD had sat there and told him to load the Duggar bus, I could see him just saying no, them being shocked and getting up themselves and doing it. I'm sure these kinds of things happened once or twice and the other kids got that he wasn't "one of them" -- he was an "outsider" that they couldn't interact with the way they do their own fundie peers. And if they reported that back to JB -- i.e. I'm not sure if Derick will be a good husband, look he refused to load our bus and that shows he doesn't work hard -- then I bet JB told them to lay off.  In his heart of hearts JB has known all along that this was a good match for Jill and marrying Derick would assure that she'll always be at least middle class and not have to struggle like many fundie brides do -- he didn't want anything to drive Derick away.

 

I do think JB told the kids strictly not to play any pranks at the wedding. Could have been out of respect for Derick or his ill mother, but likely it was bc Derick is an "outsider" and may have been pissed off because unlike Chad Paine, he wouldn't have come ready to deal with that kind of BS on his wedding day; knowing that Derick has the ability to take his daughter away -- I think he probably is trying to avoid pissing him off unnecessarily over dumb things.

[juneday]

The fact that the Duggar children-and adult children!-think that playing pranks at formal occasions like weddings is okay unless someone is an "outsider" to their cult or can take their sister away is quite telling.

[BitterApple]

Regarding the pranks, I feel it's one thing to tie some streamers and cans to the rear bumper, but another to destroy someone's property. They go way too far with that nonsense. JD put open cans of sardines in Chad's car. What if the oil had spilled and ruined Erin's dress? Their sense of humor is just so off-base, it's crazy. 

 

Given the amount of stress that Derick was under due to his mother's illness, I agree he would have flipped out if he came out of the church and found his car trashed. 

[cereality]

Maybe I'm over thinking, but I always thought the car pranks were about "blocking" the couple a bit and delaying sex. Normal streamers on a bumper w a just married sign are cute. The car can be driven like that for hours or days until the couple gets sick of it, tears the stuff off the bumper and that's that; or if they're going to the airport to head out for a honeymoon, you can frankly even return the car that way and no rental agent is going to charge a newly married couple because they "damaged" the car by leaving streamers on the back.

 

With things like sardines or moth balls or saran wrap covering the doors -- which is what they did to Chad's RENTAL -- that needs to be remedied immediately bc (i) you can't be driving along in a car w the stench and (ii) it'll ruin the car if the oil gets on the seats etc and the rental agency will charge in the hundreds for that. To me it seems like the repressed (in JD's case) fundie man's way of saying -- ha ha, you got the girl but don't think you'll be kissing in 15 min bc it'll take you a half hr to clean up this mess first to make the car driveable. I agree Derick would have lost his $hit right there. I know everyone says Ben has a temper, but I don't know -- I feel like Derick is the one who'd have a temper if pushed too far; no saying he'd do anything mean or over the top to Jill, but I feel like he's seen how normal people live and behave, he's gone along and "kept sweet" w the Duggar ways to get the girl, you can tell he/his mom/his bro think things like courting or group texts or chaperoned dates are stupid -- even Derick couldn't stop commenting about the chaperone on that picnic date. Eventually they'll get to an issue where he will just lose his mind if he has to hear about the Duggar/fundie way of doing things.

[zenme]

Oh, I forgot about the pranks at Chad and Erin's wedding. Their pranks go beyond harmless fun. It's almost as though it's anger. It's not funny at all. It seems almost jealous. I've never heard of such pranking. People pay a lot of money for their special day. I hope this is why the seemingly cooled off Duggar/Bates relationship. I'd like to know what Gil and Kelley say about them behind closed doors.

[fliptopbox]

I do wonder why exactly Derick even went for Jill in the first place. It's not like he's an unattractive guy, and I'm sure he could have easily dated and later married a non-fundie girl with less family drama than a Duggar. To me it just seems like dating a member of their clan would be putting up with so much extra bullshit just because of who they are. Who wants people like Michelle and JimBob always trying to meddle in your life?

[Ljohnson1987]

Boob's pranks go beyond harmless fun. One of them was to take one of the Bates kids, and see if anyone noticed. I doubt he and J'Chelle would notice if someone did that to one of their kids.

[Dejana]

I do wonder why exactly Derick even went for Jill in the first place. It's not like he's an unattractive guy, and I'm sure he could have easily dated and later married a non-fundie girl with less family drama than a Duggar. To me it just seems like dating a member of their clan would be putting up with so much extra bullshit just because of who they are. Who wants people like Michelle and JimBob always trying to meddle in your life?

 

Some guesses: 

 

1. Derick watched the show for years and the Duggar lifestyle appealed to him.

2. He was eager to marry soon after returning from Nepal, and doubted a local girl from a regular conservative Christian background would agree to an insta-marriage.

3. Being 100% certain his bride was, you know, "pure".

[cereality]

4. He's been shot down by girls before for whatever reason or for no reason, so going down the "if your parents approve of me, you pretty much have to marry me" road was appealing. From a parent's perspective, he's a great catch -- educated, professional job, religious, missionary etc. Maybe he didn't want to go through the "hassle" of dating for real where you can often get turned down because she's a movie buff and you're not or she thinks you're not witty or whatever.

5. He got in so deep so far that he didn't know how to get out. Personally I think there is some element of this. He wanted to meet a girl --he met her via Skype. She and her family started acting like they were 3 seconds from engagement, flew to Nepal etc. At that point, he liked her, wanted to know her more so he wasn't going to reject her. But then he gets back from Nepal, wants to date for a while, only to get the sense from her parents that if he wants to keep seeing her, he better put a ring on it. He still likes her, so he does that but it's way faster than he likely wanted. Then it's quick from engagement to marriage because they want to get it on. And now before you know it -- he has gone from a Skype conversation to a baby on the way in about 1 yr.

[lottiedottie]

I don't know, maybe he just thought she was a cute girl and felt like he had an idea of what her personality was (from seeing her on the show) and thought maybe if he got to know her, there might be something there. He knew she had similar beliefs, so it's not like he had to worry about that part of the getting-to-know-you phase. All that was really left was to see if there was a spark when they finally met in person. 

[bigskygirl]

Imo, watching a person on television and using Skype to talk with someone with her parents in the room is not getting-to-know-you well enough to get married. The Duggars do not show their true colors on TLC and pretend to be a happy, well adjusted family with nineteen kids who do things a little different. Jill and the other kids have been brainwashed to act like their lives are so wonderful or I should say awesome 24/7. I think he may toe the Duggar family line to make Jill happy, but one day this may change esp. once the baby comes along.

[lottiedottie]

Imo, watching a person on television and using Skype to talk with someone with her parents in the room is not getting-to-know-you well enough to get married. The Duggars do not show their true colors on TLC and pretend to be a happy, well adjusted family with nineteen kids who do things a little different. Jill and the other kids have been brainwashed to act like their lives are so wonderful or I should say awesome 24/7. I think he may toe the Duggar family line to make Jill happy, but one day this may change esp. once the baby comes along.

I don't disagree with you on that. But given their worldview (as fundamentalist types) what he saw might be good enough for him to take a chance on meeting her. Some people just don't have a good feel for the crazy...maybe it is slowly dawning on him? I wonder how annoying it is to have her family come by ALL the time. I'm sure Jill probably doesn't mind, but I would find it annoying.

[Almost 3000]

I went to a religious college where guys were trained mainly as pastors and school leaders and girls as teachers and it was surprising how many engagements happened at the end of the guys senior year to sensible girls. Now this was the seventies so its surprising that this model would still be true in a mainly secular world but Jill is exactly the kind of wife that a guy truly interested in religious service would pick.

[GEML]

I'm guessing that Derrick met JB or heard him speak somewhere at some point several years ago and liked the idea of having a role model, especially a man, to look up to, especially given that his own father had died and in many ways he seems a little introverted and quiet - it's easy to see why he would have enjoyed being Pistol Pete. He is "outside" of himself in one way, but still part of the action. In some ways, he will likely play a role like that for the Duggar family. He will always be an outsider, but one who wants to play a role in their lives in a big (but not necessarily personal) way.

And I think it's just interesting that every post above refers to the Duggar "children" or "kids" which, I think, is honestly how most of us see them, even if they are older than many of our own children whom we think are more mature.

[Missy Vixen]

Oh, I forgot about the pranks at Chad and Erin's wedding. Their pranks go beyond harmless fun. It's almost as though it's anger. It's not funny at all. It seems almost jealous.

It's very passive-aggressive and typically indulged in by those who have nothing else to do with their time and their lives. In other words, it's guys who aren't going to be getting married, let alone attracting a date, any time soon. (JD Duggar, I'm looking at you.) The pranks played on newlyweds in my former church were also not funny (opened sardine cans, Limburger cheese on the manifold or inside the air vents, "hiding" in the honeymoon suite, etcetera) and by the time I left the church, most getting married there were either getting a ride to the wedding or hiding their vehicle in a separate location and leaving the reception with an understanding relative to retrieve their (hopefully unscathed) vehicle. 

[zenme]

Aww...I suppose that because Derek was in Nepal, and a prayer partner to Jim Bob, Jill seemed just as accessible as any other American girl.

[GEML]

You figure, it was barely six months from the time he came home until he was married, wasn't it? Yes, he had to put up with chaperones, but how many other young women, even religious conservative women, move that fast?? ;)

[fliptopbox]

To me the nature of courting seems kind of backwards. They don't hug or have any real physical contact, they don't spend any time alone trying to get to know each other, and the way they find their mate is (generally) through being screened by their father. To me that doesn't seem like an ideal basis to get to know someone well enough to want to get married. Then on top of it all they do it at the speed of light, in terms of dating....just because they want unsupervised time and to be able to touch each other. Seems very odd.

[Rhondinella]

Jill is exactly the kind of wife that a guy truly interested in religious service would pick.

 

 

I work at a Christian college so allow me to say . . . THIS!!

[PinkSprinkles]

I do wonder why exactly Derick even went for Jill in the first place. It's not like he's an unattractive guy, and I'm sure he could have easily dated and later married a non-fundie girl with less family drama than a Duggar. To me it just seems like dating a member of their clan would be putting up with so much extra bullshit just because of who they are. Who wants people like Michelle and JimBob always trying to meddle in your life?

 

The thing I wonder about is how much of his old life he had (or has) to give up. I can't see someone who attended a public university not also going out to the movies. Every male I know between the ages of 13-30 finds the time when a new Avengers, Thor, Captain America, ect. movie comes out to go and see it with their friends. I really hope Derrick didn't have to forego seeing Guardians of the Galaxy (if he wanted to in the first place) because Jill thought Zoe Saldana and Dave Bautista (especially!) were too defrauding. 

[fliptopbox]

The thing I wonder about is how much of his old life he had (or has) to give up. I can't see someone who attended a public university not also going out to the movies. Every male I know between the ages of 13-30 finds the time when a new Avengers, Thor, Captain America, ect. movie comes out to go and see it with their friends. I really hope Derrick didn't have to forego seeing Guardians of the Galaxy (if he wanted to in the first place) because Jill thought Zoe Saldana and Dave Bautista (especially!) were too defrauding. 

If Jill even knows what any of that is. I'm willing to bet she's never heard of XMen or Guardians of the Galaxy or any superhero movie that exists. Ditto for knowing who Zoe Saldana is. Heck, I don't even know who she is and I'm pretty up to date on current movies. But I do agree, because I am sure the Duggars expect Derick to conform (at least some) to their lifestyle rather than him trying to change Jill from hers.

[cereality]

If I understand correctly, Ben was raised with the same courtship rules as the Duggars. Because of this, I could understand why he got involved with Jessa. My question is, what's up with Derick? He was not raised this way and it's not important to his family. What man in his situation would get involved in this nonsense? In my opinion, there must be something going on with Derick. He must have emotional problems or self esteem issues or something. Why would he touch this family with a ten foot pole?

I don't get the sense that Ben grew up with the same courting rules -- at least not from his father's blog. His father's blog (passively-aggressively) suggests that JB is protecting his daughters way way too much from heartbreak and making Ben jump through too many hoops (probably like gross bathroom cleaning), rather than just letting the couple get to know each other and deciding whether it's the right match or moving on. He specifically said that over zealous fathers are preventing couples from getting to know each other casually and not giving couples the room to have "healthy relationships." That makes me think that while the Seewalds raised their kids to wait until marriage, that maybe they aren't so draconian about whether they can hold hands or hug or kiss or even talk or have dinner alone. I think even they may have been shocked by how absurd the Duggars' rules are, if there were expecting normal conservative Christian behavior. I feel like the Seewalds have also said something about realizing that relationships/courtships will look different for each of their kids.

 

I think they jumped into the Duggar pool bc they are a bunch of fame-whores and they thought that if their son got in with a Duggar girl, he'd be "set," as JB is well connected and could probably get their son out on book tours, political rallies, and then maybe a job in DC like Josh. Not bad for a kid with no higher education. I think they didn't realize that JB only does what JB wants, so if you latch onto him to get a girl and a job -- you will get the girl when he's damn well ready and you will get whatever job he wants to give you -- even if that's cleaning toilets -- and you had better not complain, lest you lose the chance with the girl.

[Dejana]

The thing I wonder about is how much of his old life he had (or has) to give up. I can't see someone who attended a public university not also going out to the movies. Every male I know between the ages of 13-30 finds the time when a new Avengers, Thor, Captain America, ect. movie comes out to go and see it with their friends. I really hope Derrick didn't have to forego seeing Guardians of the Galaxy (if he wanted to in the first place) because Jill thought Zoe Saldana and Dave Bautista (especially!) were too defrauding. 

 

Didn't the Duggars see an early screening of Fireproof and even meet Kirk Cameron? So, Jill and Derick could go see whatever "inspirational" movie happens to be out at the time for a "family-friendly" evening out. Or, he can just Redbox or Netflix whatever he wants in a few months (unless Jill has the family password). He really might not be into movies at all; some people are like that, even non-religious types. Jill was allowed to bring one of her little brothers to a college football game despite the presence of cheerleaders and how many ever "scantily-clad" female fans were in the stands, so perhaps Derick won't have to give up everything secular in order to keep peace in the family.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Dejana

[bigskygirl]

There were other Duggars at the football game so it was not just Jill and Derick bringing one of the younger boys to the game by themselves.

[fliptopbox]

Personally I hope that Derick and Jill defect from the Duggar-verse and set out on their own. I have a feeling that a guy like Derick isn't going to lie down and take JimBob's bullshit for all that long. Now that they're married there'd be absolutely nothing that could be done to prevent them from living however they like. I am sure Derick is self confident enough to know that you don't need to live your life for your parents' approval after graduating college. Jill may take some convincing on that one, but I'm sure if it came from her husband she would know it was coming from a good place. 

 

I feel the same about Jessa and Ben. But I don't think it will take them all that long post-wedding to cut and run.

[bigskygirl]

He does seem to mind his life being filmed, getting a house from JB, and the freebies from TLC and fans. He even did not mind the scene where he visited his mother while she was getting treatment for a life threatening illness being filmed. Jill is enjoying being the center of attention, and she may not want to leave it anytime soon.

[DangerousMinds]

I'm losing hope for Derrick.

[kellylovessnark]

If you look far back enough in Derrick's Twitter, he does mention seeing Battleship.

Edited September 23, 2014 by kellylovessnark

[GEML]

I've actually known quite a few men (and women) who went to secular colleges and then willingly embraced a more fundamentalist lifestyle. Once you are part of that community (and I'm not talking about being alienated from all community as the Duggars seem to be despite their instant " very good friends" that pop up and are never seen again) that culture provides socializing and entertainment in it's own.

And the problem with courting, to me, is the constant chaperoning. Lots of religious groups actually have always practiced courting - including the Amish, Mennonite and Orthodox Jewish communities, but none of them insist on hearing and spying on every word the couple says. Many do insist on the couple meeting in a public place (so Jessa could go to Ben's room) but they all acknowledge that the best way to get to know someone is to be able to speak freely with that person. The Duggar children can't do that. And say whatever you want, that comes down to the parents not trusting their upbringing and the adult children not trusting it either. That's the antithesis, I think, of "Teach a child in the way he should go and he shall not depart from it." It's like the Duggars really don't have any faith, only works.

[questionfear]

I have said this before, but I really think Jill and Derrick knew each other before the whole "prayer partner" BS. I could EASILY see a situation where someone at the midwife clinic intro'd them as a mutual friend, then either Derrick worked his way to being JB's "prayer partner" or JB used that as a way to cover for Jill meeting someone outside his rules.

 

If you assume there was some sort of prior connection, then the whole Jill and Derrick story makes a lot more sense.

[PinkSprinkles]

I read on another site that Derrick had been seen caroling at the Duggar house a few years ago (there's a picture of it may have been shown on an old episode, can't remember) so I think they knew of each other, but probably weren't allowed to get to know each other because of the courtship nonsense/Derrick was at college.  

[Barb23]

I really wonder what Cathy, Derick's mom, thinks of Jill & the Duggars. I'm sure she was shocked by the whole Duggar clan being at airport when they arrived home, pushing the Dillard family to the rear of crowd. She made the comment to Derick something about Derick & Jill having time to talk & we know what she meant. Cathy had a smile on her face during engagenent announcement but she looked like get me out of here.

What does Cathy think about Jill not pursuing midwife skills at present time and not working? Since Cathy is a well educated woman, I'm sure she was hoping Jill would finish her training & put the baby mill off a while. Most of us worked after we were married & before kids. (Even my 91 year old mother did.) I have no problem with Jill & others being stay at home moms after baby comes but just being a stay at home wife floors me. I know this was how Jill was raised but even before kids & think even after the first couple, Michelle worked. I'm sure out of financial necessity like the rest of us but still. I know Jill & Derick are financially stable, but why cant Jill use her servant's heart & volunteer somewhere? (Working with kids at homeless shelter, church preschool, etc) I'm sure we would see pictures if she did.

I would just love to know Cathy's real feelings about the Duggar circus & not the "sweet" responses we see on TV.

[jb0495]

I read on another site that Derrick had been seen caroling at the Duggar house a few years ago (there's a picture of it may have been shown on an old episode, can't remember) so I think they knew of each other, but probably weren't allowed to get to know each other because of the courtship nonsense/Derrick was at college.

On Jill & Derick's wedding website, Jill mentioned that they had actually met when Derick was part of a caroling group that came to their house. But that neither of them knew each other and I don't believe they were formally introduced. Just one of those funny coincidences with their future spouse without knowing about it!

[trimthatfat]

I'm sure Cathy likes Jill even though she doesn't necessarily seem comfortable around the Duggar family. She looked so annoyed when the family was at the airport when Derick finally came home. At the most, Jim Bob and Jill should have been there.

 

I'd also love to know what she really thinks of them.

[NikSac]

Boob's pranks go beyond harmless fun. One of them was to take one of the Bates kids, and see if anyone noticed. I doubt he and J'Chelle would notice if someone did that to one of their kids.

 

That's a scary thought on several levels.

[zenme]

I'm sure Cathy likes Jill even though she doesn't necessarily seem comfortable around the Duggar family. She looked so annoyed when the family was at the airport when Derick finally came home. At the most, Jim Bob and Jill should have been there.

 

I'd also love to know what she really thinks of them.

 

My guess is she's probably happy that Derick is happy, and that he's found love, but I would bet that she probably wishes that Derick would have wound up with a girl more like Derick.  Someone who is college-educated, has a commitment to her faith, and that leads a more secular-type lifestyle.  I wonder if she's wondering how her grandchildren will be raised.  Will they get a college education?  Will they be blanket-trained and follow Gothard teachings?  How influential will JimBob be in Jill's and Derick's lives?  I bet these are some of her concerns--all of which could have been avoided had Derick found someone with a background similar to his.

[JessDVD]

Regarding J&D and the soda/pop on their registry: I recall reading an article that said that their explanation for the pop was that Derick pointed to the Dr. Pepper and said something like I'll need that to stay awake after being up with the baby! and zapped, and then Jill said well hey, I like Fanta, so he zapped some of that too. I think this is generally a perfectly innocuous thing that a couple might do just as an inside joke on their registry. J&D, however, are probably quickly discovering (and either learning to let go, or adjusting their behavior accordingly) that funny inside jokes like that, do not work so well when your life is on display to the public like that. I doubt I would have had the foresight as a 23yo expectant mom to do this, but I think I would in their situation, make a public registry with intermediate price range things, and put on the top something like "If you want to purchase a baby gift, please buy one or more of these items and donate them to your local pregnancy care center or any group who provides for needy mothers", and then make a private registry under a fake name or whatever necessary to keep it private, and give the info to whoever hosted my baby shower.

[JerseyGirl]

I read on another site that Derrick had been seen caroling at the Duggar house a few years ago (there's a picture of it may have been shown on an old episode, can't remember) so I think they knew of each other, but probably weren't allowed to get to know each other because of the courtship nonsense/Derrick was at college.  

 

From Jill:

 

Christmas 2011, Derick briefly stopped by our house while caroling with a group from his church. Neither of us remembers each other specifically from that time; all I have is a vague memory of the group of people who came.  Not long after this, Derick contacted my dad and asked if he would be a prayer partner during his two-year term in Nepal.

 

He would call my dad regularly and give updates on how his work was going there and then they’d pray together. As my dad got to know Derick he was really impressed with his Godly character. He started telling me about Derick and also told Derick about me! I listened in on a few phone conversations with my dad without Derick knowing I was doing so.

After I kept hearing good things about this guy I decided I’d look him up on my own, so I Googled him and got a little glimpse from his social media outlets. I thought it was really neat how we had similar life goals and all.

 

http://www.theknot.com/wedding/view/5387319763559245/42210460

Edited September 23, 2014 by JerseyGirl

[bigskygirl]

Really neat!!!

[Fuzzysox]

Stage one stalker! Caroling in the middle of NO where???? Sheesh  j/k I really believe that those two are meant for one another.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Fuzzysox

[lottiedottie]

How creepy that she would listen in to her dad's phone conversations with Derick and no one told Derick. That's rude!

[Zahdii]

I don't believe a bit of the "this is why pop is on our baby gift wish list", I don't believe the story about Jill and Derrick meeting the way it's presented, I'm not even sure what I think about Derricks mom anymore once she let cameras and a chaperone into her hospital room.  Jill, at least should know how things play out in the public eye since she's been raised in it for the last 10 years.

 

I don't know what the real story is, but the Duggars have lied from the beginning and I think they're lying now.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Zahdii

[PinkSprinkles]

How creepy that she would listen in to her dad's phone conversations with Derick and no one told Derick. That's rude!

 

I agree. It is very rude to listen in on a phone call without informing the other party. I can give a pass on the social media stalking because everyone tends to do that to check people out, employers included.