Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Spencer Hastings]

A lot of reality show personalities have said that filming took a lot out of them emotionally.  The Duggar kids have been doing this most of their lives, but I find it interesting that the Dillards were the only ones willing to step away from filming.  It could be that most of the other spouses were already Duggar adjacents and used to being filmed (or wanted the spotlight...ahem), or it could simply be that Derick and Jill are naturally more emotional.

I could see Jill slowly losing her mind over the course of the year of scandals. Not only having to let it all play out on camera, but also having to rehash it in the THs on camera could be damaging to her already fragile psyche.  We know the woman has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old. Derick is full of it 99% of the time, but I could buy their mental state deteriorating.

[MsJamieDornan]

35 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

I could see Jill slowly losing her mind over the course of the year of scandals. Not only having to let it all play out on camera, but also having to rehash it in the THs on camera could be damaging to her already fragile psyche.  We know the woman has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old. Derick is full of it 99% of the time, but I could buy their mental state deteriorating.

I wonder if Jill was having emotional problems and TLC wanted it all to be shown on camera, or other very personal issues and TLC wanted to film it. And they finally said NO.

[Barb23]

I agree something has happened to change Jill.  She is definitely not the one I would have picked  to leave the family. She was very outgoing  back in the day when they started on TV & was the spokesperson of the kids or at least the older girls. 

[GeeGolly]

7 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Derick is talking out of both sides of his mouth. The original reason he gave for leaving the show was because TLC wouldn't pay their medical bills and he and Jill "weren't being paid". Now he's saying filming was impacting their mental health.

Derick is the one with issues, not Jill. I imagine him sitting at home, internet stalking his in-laws and becoming jealous, and then responding to this post.

Derick is an immature reactive man. Just wait until he loses his first case or screws up his first contract or messes up some type of lawyer/legal thing. He'll hop on IG and misdirect his anger at TLC and the Duggars.

[MsJamieDornan]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Derick is talking out of both sides of his mouth. The original reason he gave for leaving the show was because TLC wouldn't pay their medical bills and he and Jill "weren't being paid". Now he's saying filming was impacting their mental health.

I think it can be all these things and maybe a few more.

[GeeGolly]

29 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

I think it can be all these things and maybe a few more.

I suppose it could. They haven't filmed in two years now and Derick's changing answers always feel angry to me. He would do better by either not answering questions at all, or being straight up with the answers.

[Rabbittron]

You think Derelict will ever pass the bar?

Edited December 27, 2019 by Rabbittron
Damn autocorrect

[BetyBee]

9 hours ago, awaken said:

Whoa!!  D-wreck is laying it all out there. The family can’t be happy about it. 

Why just the Dillards “on the brink of sanity”, and not everyone else?

which part of filming specifically does he mean, I wonder- in DA attempting to be missionaries, the births, of just in general?

Good questions which he will never answer.  He is a vagueposter extraordinaire!

[ozziemom]

1 hour ago, Rabbittron said:

You think Derelict will ever pass the bar?

Yes, I think he will. He isn’t stupid and he seems to spend a lot of time studying. How long will he stick with law as a career is another story.

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, ozziemom said:

Yes, I think he will. He isn’t stupid and he seems to spend a lot of time studying. How long will he stick with law as a career is another story.

I agree. (And I’m a licensed attorney)

[Tikichick]

Ironically he could potentially wind up with a very lucrative law practice, if he works hard AND decides to use all of his education.  If he were a CPA the potential would increase even more.  As it is his accounting knowledge and degree combined with a law degree opens up a lucrative path if he decided to take it.  

 

It should also give JB some genuine food for thought in regard to his behavior towards the Dillards and his handling of the family funds.  

 

Edited December 27, 2019 by Tikichick

[Jeeves]

 

2 hours ago, ozziemom said:

Yes, I think [Derick will pass the bar]. He isn’t stupid and he seems to spend a lot of time studying. How long will he stick with law as a career is another story.

 

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree. (And I’m a licensed attorney)

Me too (on both the opinion and the status). 

We speculated, when Derick started law school, that (and I paraphrase here, freely) he would essentially be sitting off in a corner pounding his Bible and lose it when he had to debate sensitive issues logically. Of course, that's not what has happened.

He seems to be navigating law school fairly well. For instance, he landed more than one summer internship gig. He may harbor goals to be some kind of super conservative/religious legal activist - or, not. We just don't know. And TBH I'm not sure a lot of 2Ls have a clear idea of what their legal careers will look like. Because, we all make great plans - and then, life happens. You get your dream trial lawyer job and learn that you hate litigation and love writing contracts; you can't get a job in your desired field and end up practicing happily in a field you hadn't considered seriously. Etcetera.

Something struck me as I was thinking about Derick this morning. I think that where Jill and Derick have definitely parted ways with the Duggars (and most of their in-laws including the Kellers, Swansons, Forsyths, Caldwells, and I think Burnetts) is that they don't attend an IFB church. Cross Church is a conservative Baptist church, but not IFB. (I know, JB and Meech may have been seen at Cross Church services, but AFAIK they are regulars at their in-laws' IFB church.)

Derick grew up mainstream Arkansas Southern Baptist. I'm (originally) from next door in Oklahoma with SB roots and I can tell you, it ain't East Coast Liberal or West Coast Freethinker, but it ain't Duggarworld or IFB either. Something drew him to the Duggars and he jumped into their world. We can tell from his SM posts - erratic as they are - that he had a bad time there. I think Derick is still basically mainstream (and very) conservative Arkansas Baptist, and Jill is following her headship so that's her life too. I hope he supports her adjustments to mainstream life; as we've discussed, that's a huge leap from the cloistered Duggar compound.

Derick's had an erratic career path since college, but as @Tikichick has pointed out, with his accounting education and a law degree he will have some building blocks for a good career. As also noted above, he's reactive on social media, so who knows what he'll do next. He may sit at home scribbling a tell-all memoir of life in Duggarworld, only to decide after it's done that it was therapy and it will never be published. I'm harboring a sneaky hope that he decides to self-publish it as a Kindle book. I'd buy it. Heh.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Jeeves

[Zella]

Yes, Jeeves you're so right on the Southern Baptist versus IFB differences.

I've been so curious about the comments some time ago about JD and Abby attending a church in Centerton. If that's true, I wonder where they are going and why. If they don't live in Centerton and live near the other Duggars around Tontitown, that is rather out of the way. Hell, it is out of the way even if you live sort of close by. Lol

[Absolom]

I wonder if they changed churches when they moved.

[galaxygirl76]

13 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

Maybe Cathy and Dan went on vacation? Or visiting other people?

Who knows. I think Sam and Izzy would have enjoyed hanging out with all their cousins at the compound.

Wasn't Uncle Sex Pest there? I'd think there's a good chance Derick and Jill don't like having their kids around him. I know I wouldn't.

 

I have to give it to Derick, he's going to school, he has a part time job, that's more than we can say about the majority of the Duggar males and sons in law(especially looking at you Jeremy).

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Wasn't Uncle Sex Pest there? I'd think there's a good chance Derick and Jill don't like having their kids around him. I know I wouldn't.

Josh was with Anna’s family in Florida. 
 

But yes I agree with you. In Derrick’s position I would be fine having a few of the cousins come to their house to play (hang out) but I wouldn’t want my children around Josh. 

[crazy8s]

derick has said he works on a book outline when he is on break from school. he is on a long break now. No stretch to believe he has been working on such a thing, which makes him aggravated, agitated and angry.

that is when he most often posts his cryptic/evasive responses

[cmr2014]

It occurred to me today that this could be about Sammy.Their break with TLC occurred around the time Sammy was born. We know that there were issues with Sammy's birth, and if TLC was there poking around with the cameras while Jill was already fragile emotionally, it may have been too much for her. Add in Derick's existing anger about them not helping with Izzy's medical bills and the stress of mounting medical bills for Sammy and you have a situation ready to blow.

[farmgal4]

15 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

The brink of sanity? I think that's a wee bit exaggerated.

And shouldn’t he have said “INsanity”?

[MsJamieDornan]

26 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

It occurred to me today that this could be about Sammy.Their break with TLC occurred around the time Sammy was born. We know that there were issues with Sammy's birth, and if TLC was there poking around with the cameras while Jill was already fragile emotionally, it may have been too much for her. Add in Derick's existing anger about them not helping with Izzy's medical bills and the stress of mounting medical bills for Sammy and you have a situation ready to blow.

Totally agree. I think TLC was badgering them and JBoob was also bugging them, and enough was enough. Also, Derick was probably telling the truth about not being paid by TLC.  I'm sure JBoob gets paid and rations out the money as he sees fit.

[farmgal4]

11 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

I wonder if Jill was having emotional problems and TLC wanted it all to be shown on camera, or other very personal issues and TLC wanted to film it. And they finally said NO.

I think at least part of what Derrick is referring to is their Central American gig.  I think that’s when Jill’s emotional and/or mental issues became obvious, and TLC saw good TV and probably wanted to film a lot of what she was going through.  Whatever happened in Danger America, on top of what Sexpest did to her, and you’ve a recipe for mental and emotional problems.  Add to that 2 botched labor and deliveries, that some viewers think may have resulted in a hysterectomy, and you’ve got a full-on mental/emotional breakdown in the works.  As much as I snark about Jill, I really do feel sorry for her, because she’s been through hell.

[Mojitogirl]

Check out Derricks responses to comments on his latest IG post. He says that they’re not allowed in the big house when JB isn’t there which tells me that JB  still takes the headship role extremely seriously and is pretty scared of Derrick.  
I think what’s coming out from Derrick now is the rage that develops when you realize the harm that someone has caused someone you love (and I think he loves Jill and his children). Of course filming takes you to the brink of insanity - we can probably count on one hand popular reality TV personas that have made it through mentally intact. Add in the incredibly destructive brainwashing and control of the Duggars (you need to be 2 people - one for popular consumption, one for Jesus? Got hard? Church? ) All of them are probably insane already. 
Derrick is the only in-law - the ONLY one - (ok maybe Jer but he’s a grifter too) to break off from what we all recognize is the toxicity of Duggardom. Buying a house, going to law school, working, and forcing his wife to live a relatively normal life is huge. 

[MsJamieDornan]

2 minutes ago, Mojitogirl said:

Check out Derricks responses to comments on his latest IG post. He says that they’re not allowed in the big house when JB isn’t there

Oh wow 

[Whyyouneedaname]

4 minutes ago, Mojitogirl said:

Check out Derricks responses to comments on his latest IG post. He says that they’re not allowed in the big house when JB isn’t there which tells me that JB  still takes the headship role extremely seriously and is pretty scared of Derrick.  
I think what’s coming out from Derrick now is the rage that develops when you realize the harm that someone has caused someone you love (and I think he loves Jill and his children). Of course filming takes you to the brink of insanity - we can probably count on one hand popular reality TV personas that have made it through mentally intact. Add in the incredibly destructive brainwashing and control of the Duggars (you need to be 2 people - one for popular consumption, one for Jesus? Got hard? Church? ) All of them are probably insane already. 
Derrick is the only in-law - the ONLY one - (ok maybe Jer but he’s a grifter too) to break off from what we all recognize is the toxicity of Duggardom. Buying a house, going to law school, working, and forcing his wife to live a relatively normal life is huge. 

wow, just read his comments, seems while Jessa was in labor she wanted Jill there and Jill couldn't go to the big house until JB approved it. 

[GeeGolly]

derickdillard

@ms_julieb I haven’t trash talked, just answered questions that others should know about us, so they’re no longer deceived like we were.

 

derickdillard

@hai_hay9 for a long time Jill and I were under the impression that the family didn’t make any money from the show, but rather, it was presented to us kids as something that was done as a ministry that TLC periodically subsidized in the form reimbursements for things like gas, restaurants, travel, etc... but not any actual pay on top of that.

 

derickdillard

@tara.blum yes, but it’s just harder now because we’re not allowed at the house when JB isn’t there. Jill even had to ask JB permission to go over to the house to help her sister when she was in labor because her sister wanted her help, but jill couldn’t provide the assistance until we got it cleared with JB.

 

derickdillard

@ms_julieb we were made to believe we didn’t have a choice and that we would be sued if we refused. However, once we became more enlightened, we realized that we could easily defend ourselves in against a lawsuit from the family/TLC.

[zoomama]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

derickdillard

@ms_julieb I haven’t trash talked, just answered questions that others should know about us, so they’re no longer deceived like we were.

 

derickdillard

@hai_hay9 for a long time Jill and I were under the impression that the family didn’t make any money from the show, but rather, it was presented to us kids as something that was done as a ministry that TLC periodically subsidized in the form reimbursements for things like gas, restaurants, travel, etc... but not any actual pay on top of that.

 

derickdillard

@tara.blum yes, but it’s just harder now because we’re not allowed at the house when JB isn’t there. Jill even had to ask JB permission to go over to the house to help her sister when she was in labor because her sister wanted her help, but jill couldn’t provide the assistance until we got it cleared with JB.

 

derickdillard

@ms_julieb we were made to believe we didn’t have a choice and that we would be sued if we refused. However, once we became more enlightened, we realized that we could easily defend ourselves in against a lawsuit from the family/TLC.

whoa!!

[GeeGolly]

derickdillard

@dsherwin333 yes, because it’s their show. We’ve only made guest appearances over the years for wedding, birth, etc. we’ve never had any contact with TLC, hence not knowing there was a contract. Nobody from TLC has even mentioned to us what they would prefer that we say or not say.

[QuinnInND]

Wow. Dreck is pulling back the curtain a bit on it all. I wonder if he realizes he could write a tell all book and be rich.  

And as a side note, one of the commenters needs to learn the difference between "aloud" and "allowed". 🤦‍♀️

[MsJamieDornan]

The shit is hitting the fan  Go Derick,

[GeeGolly]

Clearly Derick is lying in some of these posts. First, where did he think the Duggar money came from? And second, they filmed him and Jill (& even Cathy) multiple times in Central America.

He knew TLC paid the Duggars and he and Jill were not just on for specials. 

[Zella]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

Clearly Derick is lying in some of these posts. First, where did he think the Duggar money came from? And second, they filmed him and Jill (& even Cathy) multiple times in Central America.

He knew TLC paid the Duggars and he and Jill were not just on for specials. 

Oh he's lying like a Duggar. Lol in the past he's claimed they had a contract, and now he says they didn't. He always tries to frame their departure from the show as his own decision rather than him being fired by TLC.

That being said, I do think he's telling the truth about them not being allowed over when Big Daddy Jim Bob isn't there. That made me laugh hard, and I can totally see JB being that petty.

[Whyyouneedaname]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Clearly Derick is lying in some of these posts. First, where did he think the Duggar money came from? And second, they filmed him and Jill (& even Cathy) multiple times in Central America.

He knew TLC paid the Duggars and he and Jill were not just on for specials. 

I think he trusted that JB would do the right thing when they were married and on their own, give them their share. JB may have given them a place to live and thought that was enough, Derick didn't. He says he never saw a contract.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Whyyouneedaname said:

I think he trusted that JB would do the right thing when they were married and on their own, give them their share. JB may have given them a place to live and thought that was enough, Derick didn't. He says he never saw a contract.

But a couple of months ago he said that his being a missionary was a violation of their contract with TLC. And even that doesn't hold water since he was on the show for seasons as a missionary. As we say in Arkansas, that dog don't hunt.

Translation: He's full of shit. 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Whyyouneedaname said:

I think he trusted that JB would do the right thing when they were married and on their own, give them their share. JB may have given them a place to live and thought that was enough, Derick didn't. He says he never saw a contract.

Yet no other kidult works, no other kidult appears to be struggling financially and no other kidult is complaining.

[Tikichick]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

Clearly Derick is lying in some of these posts. First, where did he think the Duggar money came from? And second, they filmed him and Jill (& even Cathy) multiple times in Central America.

He knew TLC paid the Duggars and he and Jill were not just on for specials. 

He also has to be aware of JB's business empire and could have thought that was the source of family financial support and genuinely believed the TV show was a form of unpaid ministry.

The Josh allegations are revealed, the original show was cancelled, Jill's pushed out in front of the cameras to explain the "family's version of truth" which results in the Counting On show, JB keeps collecting the $$ and doling it out as and to whom he wishes, very likely including Josh for increasing amounts because of their rapidly expanding brood, Jill and Derrick scrape by on whatever JB deigns to release to them while struggling with large medical bills.  I can see where someone might get a bit hot under the collar.

Giving up the Walmart job and dragging your wife and small child to Central America with basically no means of support has to lay at Derrick's feet however.  Although I do wonder how much JB's mentorship influenced either of those decisions?

[GeeGolly]

Derick is stirring a pot with half truths and lies. Not very bright. If you're going to bite the hands that feed you, at least be truthful.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Derick is stirring a pot with half truths and lies. Not very bright. If you're going to bite the hands that feed you, at least be truthful.

And consistent.

My great grandfather was a moonshiner and his version of let's invent a good alibi before being apprehended was always, "let's get our lies together, boys!" Derick needs to get his lies together. 

[Tikichick]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Derick is stirring a pot with half truths and lies. Not very bright. If you're going to bite the hands that feed you, at least be truthful.

I want to be a fly on the wall of the Vuolo household watching Jeremy absorb every nugget of info he can from all directions and trying to calculate what's likely to be their most profitable spin to curry public favor.  They just got personally cut off at the knees with the doughnuts and RM controversy.  Now Derrick is making more and more noise that threatens to unmask things that also might cause public backlash against JB and all the Duggar cogs in the wheel.  

Does he try to chart an all new direction out in LA that won't be vulnerable to skeletons falling out of the closet? 

[Oldernowiser]

I think Derick fell for the Made For Teevee Duggars as much as any leghumper ever has. Finding out that in fact 1) JB is a big old lying control freak, 2) the only regular money coming in was from TLC, 3) they covered up Josh’s predation, and 4) Jill was essentially an uneducated brainwashed fembot forJesus were all bad enough, but then getting stuck with a pile of medical bills after assuming they were covered...yep, pissed. 

That said, he was pretty naive/stupid to believe that “no contract” volunteer ministry story...he was obviously thinking with his hormones and not his brain at that point. He strikes me as a pretty angry guy in general and having his idealism and religious zealotry bite him this hard in the ass would be rage fodder for a lifetime.

 

 

 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Tikichick said:

I want to be a fly on the wall of the Vuolo household watching Jeremy absorb every nugget of info he can from all directions and trying to calculate what's likely to be their most profitable spin to curry public favor.  They just got personally cut off at the knees with the doughnuts and RM controversy.  Now Derrick is making more and more noise that threatens to unmask things that also might cause public backlash against JB and all the Duggar cogs in the wheel.  

Does he try to chart an all new direction out in LA that won't be vulnerable to skeletons falling out of the closet? 

I think Jeremy's too spineless to truly revolt and break free. But if he gets desperate, he might surprise me!

Note: Not that I think Derick is courageous either. I think bitterness and resentment and some feeling of betrayal after he sought JB out as a substitute father figure in the wake of his own father's death is his primary motivation here. 

1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

I think Derick fell for the Made For Teevee Duggars as much as any leghumper ever has. Finding out that in fact 1) JB is a big old lying control freak, 2) the only regular money coming in was from TLC, 3) they covered up Josh’s predation, and 4) Jill was essentially an uneducated brainwashed fembot forJesus were all bad enough, but then getting stuck with a pile of medical bills after assuming they were covered...yep, pissed. 

That said, he was pretty naive/stupid to believe that “no contract” volunteer ministry story...he was obviously thinking with his hormones and not his brain at that point. He strikes me as a pretty angry guy in general and having his idealism and religious zealotry bite him this hard in the ass would be rage fodder for a lifetime.

 

 

 

Yes, this--all this! 

[mythoughtis]

15 hours ago, dariafan said:

Jim boob strikes me as the type who would give the kids some of the money their earned but make it seem like it was him giving it.  Not that they earned it and he was supposed to give it to them.   Or lie to them about how much they earned 

Yes- under the theory that the money was being used to pay for whatever JB decided as headship. Remember, according to JB, his adult male offspring and unmarried female offspring are still under his leadership.  Only the married female offspring leave his control. Based on the comment that the Dillard’s can’t come to the house without JBs presence, sounds like he wants to monitor their influence on the children he still controls.  Which is basically all but Jill and Jinger. I bet Jinger and Jeremy  have the same restriction 

[BitterApple]

I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't believe Derick was in the dark about the family making money off TLC. I do believe there was some kind of misunderstanding or miscommunication between Derick and Boob over how that money was to be doled out, leading to the big dust-up and estrangement. 

The other kiddults are happy as clams because a) they were raised not to expect much and b) they have zero life experience outside their bubble. They may genuinely have no clue as to how badly they're being screwed over. I think Josh had an inkling and tried to forge out on his own with the FRC gig, but that crashed and burned with the Ashley Madison scandal. 

Either way, this is a pretty epic tea spill. Derick is a petty jerk, but so is Boob, and it's hilarious he's finally being exposed. 

 

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Yes- under the theory that the money was being used to pay for whatever JB decided as headship. Remember, according to JB, his adult male offspring and unmarried female offspring are still under his leadership.  Only the married female offspring leave his control. Based on the comment that the Dillard’s can’t come to the house without JBs presence, sounds like he wants to monitor their influence on the children he still controls.  Which is basically all but Jill and Jinger. I bet Jinger and Jeremy  have the same restriction 

I don't think Jeremy is subject to this rule. I think it is specific to Derick after his histrionic veiled threats on Twitter. Jeremy is more of a kool aid drinker than he lets on. He wouldn't be a MacArthur acolyte if he weren't.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Zella

[Jeeves]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. . . .

Either way, this is a pretty epic tea spill. Derick is a petty jerk, but so is Boob, and it's hilarious he's finally being exposed. 

^^Absolutely!

Unfortunately, Derick's prone to flailing around on SM (see, the infamous losing War on Jazz) and will probably manage to shoot himself in the foot before this is over. More than damage JB. Which would be too bad.

But as odd as Derick's ramblings are, I can believe that JB lied to the kids about TLC income. Remember, almost all of them were pretty young when it all started. They could well have been indoctrinated to think that their main source of income was from all the successful business deals of The Best Daddy Ever. With extras/freebies coming from the TV show and adoring fans, etc. 

[Trillium]

He’s a grade A idiot if he didn’t think TLC was paying anything more than “reimbursements”. That’s on him for not asking more questions and blindly believing everything. He’s college educated, he had the tools to know better. I don’t feel sorry for him in that regard. 
 

But anyone willing to expose JBoob for the slimy jack ass I always knew he was, I’m very much here for it. 

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

 

Either way, this is a pretty epic tea spill. Derick is a petty jerk, but so is Boob, and it's hilarious he's finally being exposed. 

 

This is where I am. They're both petty, lying assholes with some legitimate grievances against each other, and I'm here for the drama.

2 minutes ago, Trillium said:

He’s a grade A idiot if he didn’t think TLC was paying anything more than “reimbursements”. That’s on him for not asking more questions and blindly believing everything. He’s college educated, he had the tools to know better. I don’t feel sorry for him in that regard. 
 

But anyone willing to expose JBoob for the slimy jack ass I always knew he was, I’m very much here for it. 

I think Derick's story evolves the more he studies contracts in law school. Lol But yeah I agree with you--the onus was on him to think critically and ask questions.

[mythoughtis]

4 minutes ago, Trillium said:

He’s a grade A idiot if he didn’t think TLC was paying anything more than “reimbursements”. That’s on him for not asking more questions and blindly believing everything. He’s college educated, he had the tools to know better. I don’t feel sorry for him in that regard. 
 

But anyone willing to expose JBoob for the slimy jack ass I always knew he was, I’m very much here for it. 

I remember a dust-up when Kate Gosselin’s brother and sister in law were often featured on that show.  Right up until they requested to be paid, and Kate threw a fit because she wanted all the money to go to her and Jon.  So no, I don’t think that the adult offspring were being paid by TLC or JB. 

Edited December 27, 2019 by mythoughtis

[crazy8s]

yes derick is bitter and i think Jill may be as well if they had financial issues. also the whatever happened in danger america was a rude awakening for Jill when it wasn't all nail painting and candy.

if you are a true missionary you are not with SOS missioncationers where they build a house just for you. if you want to be a "native" you learn the language and your dad doesn't provide a giant refrigerator and AC that makes every other person there feel like less and may make you a target.

Jeremy has no bitterness as yet but it is coming. so far he is attracting attention to the Duggar brand and JB is good with that. Jinger wearing pants and getting the hair dye makes a show. Jer will bail if something better comes along tomorrow

1 minute ago, Zella said:

 

 

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

I remember a dust-up when Kate Goosselin’a brother and sister in law were often featured in that show.  Right up until they requested to be paid, and Kate through a fit because she wanted all the money to go to her and Jon.  So no, I don’t think that the adult offspring were being paid by TLC or JB. 

Where does their income come from?

Josh and Anna used to be mentioned in the credits, Jessa and Ben were in a photo at TLC headquarters and Derick goes back and forth about there is a contract, there isn't a contract.

The Duggars didn't have a pot to piss in until TLC came along. JB likely has grown the money with property investments - but there was no money to invest prior to TLC.

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3 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't believe Derick was in the dark about the family making money off TLC. I do believe there was some kind of misunderstanding or miscommunication between Derick and Boob over how that money was to be doled out, leading to the big dust-up and estrangement. 

The other kiddults are happy as clams because a) they were raised not to expect much and b) they have zero life experience outside their bubble. They may genuinely have no clue as to how badly they're being screwed over. I think Josh had an inkling and tried to forge out on his own with the FRC gig, but that crashed and burned with the Ashley Madison scandal. 

Either way, this is a pretty epic tea spill. Derick is a petty jerk, but so is Boob, and it's hilarious he's finally being exposed. 

 

My personal suspicion has always been that JB has always run the TV money through an LLC or some type of family trust mechanism, with himself in ultimate control of course.  Derrick originally entered the circus tent of the already going 19K arrangement and had no say so in the circus or the monkeys.  When the whole shebang collapsed under the scandal I'm not sure how much anyone in the family outside of JB and Mary Duggar realized what a financial hit it was.  I wouldn't be one bit surprised to learn the entire family believed that their living situation was improving over the years due to Jim Bob's business savvy, good stewardship of his properties and buying used and saving the difference.  I can believe they all would accept the idea that they got some free swag and donations from sponsors and the show was their ministry, if they were even considered worthy of any information at all.  It serves JB's ego and image as headship to be a financial wizard supporting his brood from the sweat of his brow.

No doubt the family huddled together tightly during the scandal and it was looked at as JB's negotiating skill that allowed them the opportunity to continue their good works in ministry via Counting On and Jill was still 100-percent onboard and Derrick either believed the same or didn't know what else to do.  The rest of the sheep probably all wanted JB to manage it like he always had so what Jill and Derrick saw was likely only the business entities JB had set up, not the actual production company deals or anything with the network.   Derrick may have believed they were dodging a big tax hit doing the deal this way.  It also would have been a spectacular way to keep eyes off the financial realities.