Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[satrunrose]

It could be that Anna is done in the sense of not visiting, not sending money, not telling everybody he's #blessed to minister to all the real criminals and not hinting that we don't know "the whole story", not necessarily that's she's going to divorce him (at least not now).

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, satrunrose said:

It could be that Anna is done in the sense of not visiting, not sending money, not telling everybody he's #blessed to minister to all the real criminals and not hinting that we don't know "the whole story", not necessarily that's she's going to divorce him (at least not now).

As I understand it, FF couldn't have any calls, visitors, or commissary for 6 months, dating back to March. So no, Anna can't visit or send money even if she wants to. 

[Gemma Violet]

Even if she didn't want to visit him, she'd still probably bring the kids to see him since they probably want to visit him (that is, when he's again allowed to have visitors.)

That being said, yeah, as much as I'd want her to be through with him and hope the vlogger is right, she's got no other options if she wants a roof over her head.

[DXD526]

As out there as it sounds, Anna's situation reminds me of on The Sopranos, when Carmela finally had enough of Tony's running around, and decided she wanted a divorce. When she went looking for a lawyer, she found no one would take her case. Once they found out who she wanted a divorce from, they were all, no thanks, I'd rather live. So she was forced to stay and make the best of it. 

Like Carmela, what Anna might want and what she can realistically have, are two different things. 

[Minivanessa]

If J'inmate hasn't been able to visit with Anna since March, he'll probably be glad to see her when she can visit again. That said, I don't think that he's on board with the idea that he's called to save souls for Jesus while he's a guest of the federal government - although his father and his wife, among others, may fervently believe that's the case. And no doubt he's continued to talk the party line as he has all his life (I think he's a liar, hypocrite, and manipulator, and I doubt he believes in anything beyond gratifying his own wants and needs although being in prison certainly limits the scope of possibilities in that regard).

Assuming he retains his visiting privileges, I think Anna will visit him every. single. chance she can take, and constantly write to him, and I'm sure she'll spout a lot of Jesus talk at him. I wonder if he'll ever get pushed to his limits of tolerance and stop going along with all that, or just say whatever it takes to keep her sweet.

[Salacious Kitty]

He can parrot the party line in his sleep. There's no way that Anna could tell that he was lying about downloading CSAM, what assurances does she have that he's sincere about anything? Well, aside from his desire to get out of prison. 

But the bottom line is, Anna can't read her own spouse, AND she remains blind to his actions. She deserves everything coming her way. The thought that she thinks she has a loving husband is laughable. 

[GeeGolly]

Anna and Josh really don't have anyone but each other. Sure they have JB&M and Pecan and Prissy, but everyone beyond that has pulled away to some degree, or completely. Anna can't even go to a funeral without being gawked at by her own cousin-in-law. 

The day they were married Anna carried/pulled their luggage to the honeymoon suite. The day the FF sealed his fate by downloading CSAM, he was lying to Anna saying he couldn't go to Home Depot with her because "he had customers".  This is what her marriage has been for over a decade. She knows nothing else.

Most (but not all) folks would have woken up after their spouse was arrested and divorced their ass. But most didn't spend their life in a cult. I thought after a year or two without Josh she'd wake up, but really waking up has no benefit at all to her. Her world, and the kids' world fell apart once and will fall apart again the minute she wakes up to reality. It appears to me she is in self preservation mode, both emotionally and logistically.

Josh on the other hand is a sick man and will forever be one. I believe he thinks he loves Anna and I believe he thinks he has faith in God. Scum like Josh lie to themselves as much as they lie to others.

At this point I think its going to take the FF being released and reoffending for either one of them to come close to reality.

[Scarlett45]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Most (but not all) folks would have woken up after their spouse was arrested and divorced their ass. But most didn't spend their life in a cult. I thought after a year or two without Josh she'd wake up, but really waking up has no benefit at all to her. Her world, and the kids' world fell apart once and will fall apart again the minute she wakes up to reality. It appears to me she is in self preservation mode, both emotionally and logistically.

 

I don’t think Anna will ever wake up. I’ve mentioned here before my friend who’s mom is in a similar situation (we are actually hanging out today). My friend’s father sexually assaulted her as a child, went to prison for a contact crime on an unrelated minor (she says the best time in her family was when her father was in prison). He got out and her mother took him back and lives in her own version of denial to this day. (25yrs later!) Now my friend’s mom has cancer and the other siblings want to help but they don’t want to be anywhere near their father or give him money, and they are still married and live together. 
 

11 hours ago, DXD526 said:

Like Carmela, what Anna might want and what she can realistically have, are two different things.

I don’t think she wants to leave. I think if she wanted an “in house separation” JB would oblige her. Meaning they stay married but she gets financially supported and Josh has to stay in a separate residence, she calls the shots. I think it’s emotionally easier for her to live in this denial rather than admit who her husband is. 

[BetyBee]

I bet that the M kids will remember this time, with Josh in prison, as their best time in their family too. (I'm aware he's also not supposed to live with minors after his time in prison is finished). 

[Minivanessa]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh on the other hand is a sick man and will forever be one. I believe he thinks he loves Anna and I believe he thinks he has faith in God. Scum like Josh lie to themselves as much as they lie to others.

That's a good point. 

[merylinkid]

10 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

But the bottom line is, Anna can't read her own spouse, AND she remains blind to his actions.

This right there scares the hell out of me.   When he gets out, he will go right back to lying to her and she will never realize it.   She won't take precautions around her kids/grandkids.   She certainly would never report any parole violations.   She will be complicit in him remaining a danger to others.

[Meow Mix]

I also don't believe Anna had some New Years resolution to no longer visit the felon.  She was posting sometime last year about marking I think 15 years since she said 'Yes!' and going to visit her 'bestie'.  This woman lives on the koolaid.  I do wonder what the years ahead will bring as the older kids start to leave the nest and people's attention and support starts to wane.  10 years is a long time.

[Salacious Kitty]

Just read that FF intends to appeal his failed appeal. He has until September 5 to file. 

[Quilt Fairy]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Just read that FF intends to appeal his failed appeal. He has until September 5 to file. 

More money down the tubes. 

[Salacious Kitty]

19 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

More money down the tubes. 

I hope this bankrupts them. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[Stevie Nicks]

Throwing good money after bad, as the saying goes. 

[ScorpioSoul]

Of course the idiot is going to try to appeal again.

[Zella]

Josh's appeals seem to be the most determination I've ever seen out of him. Probably because someone else has to do all the work and pay for it. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Zella

[Scarlett45]

11 hours ago, Zella said:

Josh's appeals seem to be the most determination I've ever seen out of him. Probably because someone else has to do all the work and pay for it. 

Yes the appeals don’t require him to do anything. Also prison is very unpleasant and as such he wants to get out of there. 

[Minivanessa]

I did a quick drive-by on Google about prison pen pals. It seems to be quite an active thing, but IMO subject to exploitation on both sides and just so icky-squicky that I didn't dive into it any farther. That said, I wonder if J'inmate, when he gets his privileges back, will acquire any pen pals.

Here's why I think he would: from his teen years on, he's had his own secret activities, apart from his family and wife. Adult porn viewing, Ashley Madison, [adult consensual] sex outside marriage, and CSAM. And that's the stuff that's been discovered and made public. Now he's in prison with his activities limited and monitored, and his wife and maybe other relatives will visit and correspond with him. We know that Anna and JB think J'inmate is going to be saving souls for Jesus while inside those walls and he'll probably have to go along with that no matter what he really thinks about it. If he can develop pen pal relationships, that could be secret stuff that he wouldn't have to share with his family. 

Whatever he does while locked up, we know that in Jessa's admiring description, he's "sly." And will live as much as possible with some stuff going on that he doesn't share with his "bestie" Anna, or his dad, or any of his family. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Jeeves

[merylinkid]

Oh he is definitely going to have pen pals, who will send him money even if it means going without themselves.

Alex Murdaugh had one person actually say "Sorry i didn't send money this week, I didn't get paid, will send when I next get paid."   Which is all kinda levels of squick.   So I have no doubt that FF will have "pen pals."  he might even lean into the "saving souls for jesus" angle if it gets people to send money.

[Scarlett45]

5 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Oh he is definitely going to have pen pals, who will send him money even if it means going without themselves.

Alex Murdaugh had one person actually say "Sorry i didn't send money this week, I didn't get paid, will send when I next get paid."   Which is all kinda levels of squick.   So I have no doubt that FF will have "pen pals."  he might even lean into the "saving souls for jesus" angle if it gets people to send money.

Yes. I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were people who watched him on tv that were “fans” of his, still want to write him. Serial killers get fan mail and money in prison. 

[GeeGolly]

Who was it? Maybe Ted Bundy - who had a quickie by the soda machine and got a fan/friend pregnant. Then married her in the middle of his court case.

Thank goodness FF won't ever have that chance.

[oliviabenson]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Who was it? Maybe Ted Bundy - who had a quickie by the soda machine and got a fan/friend pregnant. Then married her in the middle of his court case.

Thank goodness FF won't ever have that chance.

Yep Ted Bundy did that…

[Gemma Violet]

I know we've talked about Anna living in the big house instead of the warehouse, but did we know it was because she was allegedly reported to the authorities for having children in an unzoned building? I know we've speculated about it, but I don't remember if there was confirmation.  WOACB has the police paperwork on her latest video and the timelines seem to match.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[Salacious Kitty]

So I watched the EXCLUSIVE video. 🙄 It sounds like someone from Reddit reported them to the police, not even the right department, which shows they're not local. Anyone can look up the Duggars' home and warehouse addresses. The informant didn't seem to be able to provide any other details. It doesn't seem like anyone ever looked into this. If so, there weren't any known repercussions.

[Gemma Violet]

48 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

f so, there weren't any known repercussions.

We had heard around that time that Anna and the kids had moved into the main house and were no longer living in the warehouse.  Since the paperwork shows that the situation was reported, I'm thinking she was advised by the authorities that she had to find another residence, hence the move to the main house.

[Salacious Kitty]

There's no definitive proof that they moved to the big house. James lives in some part of the warehouse, but his room doesn't look like what we saw of the warehouse when we saw Smuganna living there. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[GeeGolly]

What did the report turn up?  Was the building only zoned for commercial/industrial use? Rural areas (and downtowns) are often zoned for mixed use. More so commercial and residential than industrial and residential.

Think shops and/or offices with apartments above them. Farms. The Duggar car lot.

[Salacious Kitty]

45 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

What did the report turn up?  Was the building only zoned for commercial/industrial use? Rural areas (and downtowns) are often zoned for mixed use. More so commercial and residential than industrial and residential.

Think shops and/or offices with apartments above them. Farms. The Duggar car lot.

AFAIK, the warehouse is strictly zoned commercial. The main issue raised in the complaint was that children were living there. 

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

AFAIK, the warehouse is strictly zoned commercial. The main issue raised in the complaint was that children were living there. 

Even if the warehouse was zoned residential, I doubt that code in their community allows people to live in windowless buildings.  The fact that most, if not all, of the portion of the building where Anna and the kids lived had no windows would've made living there a violation of building code.  I could also see CPS having guidelines for dwellings that indicate that children cannot live in a structure with only one means of egress.

[Salacious Kitty]

33 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Even if the warehouse was zoned residential, I doubt that code in their community allows people to live in windowless buildings.  The fact that most, if not all, of the portion of the building where Anna and the kids lived had no windows would've made living there a violation of building code.  I could also see CPS having guidelines for dwellings that indicate that children cannot live in a structure with only one means of egress.

Oh, absolutely agree. The only windows in the entire dwelling were french doors in the nursery (front door doesn't really count). 

https://images.app.goo.gl/twiGuiyRxPiZLTJk9

Edited August 26, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[GeeGolly]

I agree a windowless home is sad and dreary but the warehouse has plenty of exits, even with only one window. It has 3 doors, two with at least windows for the sun to come in. Below is the front and back. 

 

Here's the workshop area from the front.

Edited August 26, 2023 by GeeGolly

[Salacious Kitty]

So there's a window in the back. No clue where that corresponds to the floor plan, such as it is. But there's only the front door and french doors in what they used as the nursery for escape. Who knows if that window in the back was even operational. 

[scriggle]

I don't know about Arkansas, but in my state bedrooms are required to have a minimum of two means of egress, a door and one window. The warehouse fails that test.

[Quilt Fairy]

To be clear, from what I've read on Reddit, the actual police report is a year old, but Miss Balls (aka She Who Must Not Be Named) did the video recently, so the whole thing is being churned up again.  She must be hurting for content. 

[GeeGolly]

22 minutes ago, scriggle said:

I don't know about Arkansas, but in my state bedrooms are required to have a minimum of two means of egress, a door and one window. The warehouse fails that test.

The door and window egresses in a bedroom are the door into the rest of the house and a window to be able to exit to outside. Or two doors - one into the living area and one to exit the house.

I have no idea how the house is set up, but if they have three bedrooms, one with the French doors, one with the backdoor and one with the window, they would be within code.

With that said, a warehouse is no place to raise kids, but then again, neither is the TTH.

This is just one example of how having a parent in jail impacts the entire family. How sad it is the M&Ms will live almost every day of their lives with their father's crimes impacting them in some way or another.

[Salacious Kitty]

18 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

To be clear, from what I've read on Reddit, the actual police report is a year old, but Miss Balls (aka She Who Must Not Be Named) did the video recently, so the whole thing is being churned up again.  She must be hurting for content. 

Yes, WOACB said it was about a year old, basically coinciding with the timing of the rumors that Anna had moved to the Big House. But that was all conjecture at the time and to date has never been substantiated. We don't know where Anna and kids are living these days, other than the fact she was in NWA to attend the wake of someone who she only knew because of her relationship with her lawyer.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[Gemma Violet]

4 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

To be clear, from what I've read on Reddit, the actual police report is a year old, but Miss Balls (aka She Who Must Not Be Named) did the video recently, so the whole thing is being churned up again.  She must be hurting for content. 

According to her video, the person who filed the complaint reached out to WOACB some time after the June 2023 Sun article about Anna being kicked out.  

[Fosca]

It makes sense if they're living in the TTH; the dorms are already set up, and it doesn't look like Pest is getting out any time soon.  

 

[GeeGolly]

Who still lives at home? Jana may have a tiny home, but it looked more like a she-shed to me. Does Laura still live with them? And where do Jason (not counting the treehouse) and James live?

Then there's Jackson, Tyler, Hannah, Jenny, Jordyn and Josie. 

So they'd be adding Anna, Mack, Michael, Marcus, Meredith, Mason, Maryella and Madyson.

A possible total of 11 females and 7 males.

Maybe Anna, Laura and Jana share the laundry suite. If not, poor Jana.

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jana may have a tiny home, but it looked more like a she-shed to me.

She has both.  The she-shed is in the garden and the tiny home is next to the big house.

[Westiepeach]

"The Big House." hehehehehe. That will never not be funny to me.

[Absolom]

Yes, done with intent.

[YupItsMe]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Who still lives at home? Jana may have a tiny home, but it looked more like a she-shed to me. Does Laura still live with them? And where do Jason (not counting the treehouse) and James live?

Then there's Jackson, Tyler, Hannah, Jenny, Jordyn and Josie. 

So they'd be adding Anna, Mack, Michael, Marcus, Meredith, Mason, Maryella and Madyson.

A possible total of 11 females and 7 males.

Maybe Anna, Laura and Jana share the laundry suite. If not, poor Jana.

That’s a normal amount for them. 

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Westiepeach said:

"The Big House." hehehehehe. That will never not be funny to me.

On a similar note, whenever they refer to being married as doing time, I always lose it. 

Doing time at the Big House! 😂😂😂

[Salacious Kitty]

Anna's sister Esther, the one in Zambia, is pregnant with #14. Anna must be livid. 

[all fall down]

Priscilla should be on track to have another one in 2024 too, so I'm sure she'll be announcing any time in the next 6 months. I'm sure that'll make Anna even more mad. The 3 of them always seemed to rotate who was having a baby, Anna in the odd years, and Esther & Pris the following even year, then Anna again in the odd year. Rinse and repeat for a decade. 

[Salacious Kitty]

13 minutes ago, all fall down said:

Priscilla should be on track to have another one in 2024 too, so I'm sure she'll be announcing any time in the next 6 months. I'm sure that'll make Anna even more mad. The 3 of them always seemed to rotate who was having a baby, Anna in the odd years, and Esther & Pris the following even year, then Anna again in the odd year. Rinse and repeat for a decade. 

Yup, Prissy is due for an announcement. 

[all fall down]

It's sad how predictable their baby announcements are.