Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Trillium]

3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

From Reddit:

Hi gang, according to the podcast, the SoJo Files, which I will not be linking but Google it if you want, during James Fottrell(High Tech Investigative Unit expert)'s direct he submitted a photo taken on Pest's iPhone at the car lot around the time the CSAM was being downloanded. In that photo, the desktop computer monitor is visible and apparently you can see the reflection of the person sitting at the desk of the computer on the monitor, and the person appears to be wearing a red hat.

The selfie taken later that day of Pest and Anna door-shopping shows Pest also wearing a red hat.

 

He’s a fucking idiot. The jury isn’t going to understand nor will they care how the Tor was installed or it can also be used for non-nefarious activity. What they will understand, and all that really matters is that the images were downloaded on that computer when he was there. It was him. He’s guilty. 

[mittsigirl]

2 hours ago, hathorlive said:

They've got the jury.  I know it only takes one, but it's really early for the jury to be doing head nods.

Boy, I sure hope so, because if Pest gets off on some dumb technicality, my low faith is the justice system will never recover again.

[iwantcookies]

5 hours ago, riverblue22 said:

That suit looks too big on Josh.  I wonder if it is Jim Bob's?

Maybe Josh lost weight?

[absnow54]

24 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

huh? what does he mean?'

In order to install the Linux partition, you boot off of a USB that has the OS installation on it. The defense was questioning how the install got on a flash drive, and verified that the installer didn’t come from one of Josh’s devices. 

[ginger90]

As far as seating in the courtroom, is it set up so as you arrive, you go to the front, fill in the rows from front to back? It would sort of be the reverse of what is typically done upon exiting churches I have been in. Clear as mud? That could explain the seating arrangements that have been mentioned.

[YupItsMe]

I don’t believe there’s any certain way seating in a courtroom is handled. You just go in and take whichever empty spot you’d like unless COVID requirements have changed that. 

[Tuxcat]

5 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

In order to install the Linux partition, you boot off of a USB that has the OS installation on it. The defense was questioning how the install got on a flash drive, and verified that the installer didn’t come from one of Josh’s devices. 

Okay that makes sense. Although they were asking about the 13th and I thought the Linux OS was installed on the 11th. 

[mythoughtis]

5 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Apparently Derrick is sitting with Anna again. If you'd told me a week ago that Derrick would be Anna's primary support person throughout the trial, I'd never have believed it. 

It may not be by choice really.  There is a small section for family, so close is  a given.  He may  actually be sitting down before she is since she is spending all the breaks with Josh or pumping etc. 

[Trillium]

9 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Okay that makes sense. Although they were asking about the 13th and I thought the Linux OS was installed on the 11th. 

Someone on Reddit put together at pretty comprehensive Excel timeline of all the dates of downloads and texts from Josh. It’s a very clear picture that only Josh could have done it. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

10 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

It may not be by choice really.  There is a small section for family, so close is  a given.  He may  actually be sitting down before she is since she is spending all the breaks with Josh or pumping etc. 

I wonder if she is breastfeeding. No shade to her if she isn’t because formula is perfectly healthy.  She’s never seem carrying a bag into court unless it’s in the lawyer’s boxes. Just my observation.

[GeeGolly]

25 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

It may not be by choice really.  There is a small section for family, so close is  a given.  He may  actually be sitting down before she is since she is spending all the breaks with Josh or pumping etc. 

There are options. Austin sat away from Anna on the first two days. 

[3 is enough]

It is possible that Anna puts on her supportive face in public but in private she is a wreck.  Didn’t that guy who did the AMA on Reddit say that he saw her walking in circles and crying at Big Sandy back in 2015?

Maybe Derick is aware of this and felt bad she was all alone?

[Quilt Fairy]

1 hour ago, hathorlive said:

I'm supposed to be working but I filled out my planner and cut out stickers around work stuff.  It helps.  Everyone needs to take care of themselves.  It's not going to get any easier.

 

I've noticed that a lot of people reporting from the courtroom, whether paid professionals or not, have said they're taking a break, some for half a day, some permanently.  I don't know if it's because of the subject matter in the courtroom or the stress of trying to get everything that's said out to us, but it's definitely wearing on people. 

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

It is possible that Anna puts on her supportive face in public but in private she is a wreck.  Didn’t that guy who did the AMA on Reddit say that he saw her walking in circles and crying at Big Sandy back in 2015?

Maybe Derick is aware of this and felt bad she was all alone?

I'm sure she is a wreck. No matter what she believes is true, there's a chance her husband is going to prison.

[CouchTater]

12 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm sure she is a wreck. No matter what she believes is true, there's a chance her husband is going to prison.

At least she has a husband.  Sorry, but as someone who is single and childless*, that will never get old.  😄

*Edit to add:  and doing just fine, in case anyone is worried about me.  I even happily brought in my own trash and recycling totes this evening.

Edited December 3, 2021 by CouchTater

[BitterApple]

5 minutes ago, CouchTater said:

At least she has a husband.  Sorry, but as someone who is single and childless, that will never get old.  😄

That certainly didn't age well, did it? 

[BradandJanet]

This must be the day the defense decided Josh and Anna should not look wealthy and entitled. Josh is swimming in that suit, and Anna looks like she's dressed to walk the dog. 

[Zella]

18 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I've noticed that a lot of people reporting from the courtroom, whether paid professionals or not, have said they're taking a break, some for half a day, some permanently.  I don't know if it's because of the subject matter in the courtroom or the stress of trying to get everything that's said out to us, but it's definitely wearing on people. 

Yeah I saw one of the local reporters had gone in on her day off yesterday and then said she would be there today on another day off before finally noping out. I got the distinct impression she was trying to avoid the one law enforcement officer's detailed testimony about the CSAM. Her colleague had noted that the jury seemed noticeably affected by that yesterday, and I got the impression the descriptions in court also were very upsetting to people in attendance. 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Zella

[quarks]

6 minutes ago, Zella said:

 I got the impression the descriptions in court also were very upsetting to people in attendance. 

They were upsetting to ME, and I wasn't in attendance.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, quarks said:

They were upsetting to ME, and I wasn't in attendance.

They upset me too both when the info first came out in the spring and during the trial. I was nauseated for days after the bond hearing. 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

They upset me too both when the info first came out in the spring and during the trial. I was nauseated for days after the bond hearing. 

I can't believe Anna sat there "stonefaced" during that testimony. Her little infant isn't much younger than the youngest victim. 

Sick. 

[BitterApple]

Do you think Anna is medicated? 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

After the break, Gelfand spoke again of device passwords.

He went over passwords on the Macbook and one for Wholesale Motors from April 2018.

It was noted that the Intel1988 password was also used for the Duggar family Facebook and Twitter accounts.

He went over several times the password was used back to 2014, even when Josh Duggar worked at Family Research Council.

He said it was shared with many people.

[Zella]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I can't believe Anna sat there "stonefaced" during that testimony. Her little infant isn't much younger than the youngest victim. 

Sick. 

Yeah I'm really over that bitch. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Gelfand spoke to James Fottrell about how he was relying on backup for the iPhone from the Macbook, making it limited.

He showed the phone and asked if Fottrell had analyzed the phones of others like Randall Barry, William Mize, Caleb Williams, or anyone else.

Fottrell said no and that he didn't have access.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

After the break, Gelfand spoke again of device passwords.

He went over passwords on the Macbook and one for Wholesale Motors from April 2018.

It was noted that the Intel1988 password was also used for the Duggar family Facebook and Twitter accounts.

He went over several times the password was used back to 2014, even when Josh Duggar worked at Family Research Council.

He said it was shared with many people.

I find it psychologically interesting that they seem to think this somehow doesn't just further implicate Josh. As well as make him seem even dumber than he already comes off.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Do you think Anna is medicated? 

IBLP is against meds. If she's emotional at all, she's white-knuckling it to maintain control. 

Interesting that her only show of emotion was when her email and phone number was shown. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Fottrell also said there was evidence some videos existed on the HP and were deleted.

Gelfand asked if the videos and images came from somewhere else other than the HP and Fottrell said yes for the videos.

However, he said no for 65 images of one particular file of child sexual abuse material that will not be named here.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

IBLP is against meds. If she's emotional at all, she's white-knuckling it to maintain control. 

Interesting that her only show of emotion was when her email and phone number was shown. 

That was so telling to me. Even if she thinks Josh is innocent, she has no reaction to the fact that this nasty shit that was on his computer exists? But Josh's passwords that could probably be hacked by my Chihuahua being outed in public are the worst thing that has come out of this trial to her? Fuck her. 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Zella

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Then, William Clayman with the prosecution questioned Fottrell.

Clayman brought up routers and asked if they were significant, and Fottrell said only if there were no devices.

He said the router doesn't have useful info and just keeps track of devices connected to it.

Gelfand asked Fottrell if he had the router, if it would alter his conclusion that someone had downloaded child sexual abuse material.

Fottrell said no.

[Quilt Fairy]

9 minutes ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

It was noted that the Intel1988 password was also used for the Duggar family Facebook and Twitter accounts.

He went over several times the password was used back to 2014, even when Josh Duggar worked at Family Research Council.

He said it was shared with many people.

So Gelfand is throwing EVERYBODY under the bus?  What happened to criminals and ex-felons? 

[irisheyes]

I’m assuming that all the info shared in court about times Josh sent texts and downloaded images are on a spreadsheet as well that the jury will be able to review during deliberations. Cause to me, that’s the most damning evidence. He sends texts that clearly state he’s at the car lot, and one minute later, this stuff is downloaded. I don’t know how the defense could even explain it. Once, sure, but NUMEROUS times?

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Two documents were also shown that were saved on Josh Duggar's laptop.

They were titled "Quiz Mommy Amy King Duggar."

Fottrell was asked if those could have been the two documents on the thumb drive.

He said they could be.

It is not clear if the name in question is the same as that of Amy Duggar, Josh's cousin.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Fottrell testified that the privacy from paparazzi angle for Tor didn't make sense to him.

He noted that it allows anonymity for websites.

Fottrell said on the Linux side of the HP computer, he found Hidden Wiki, which doesn't help you avoid paparazzi.

He said it has websites you can get to in order to commit crime.

[Ohiopirate02]

19 minutes ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

After the break, Gelfand spoke again of device passwords.

He went over passwords on the Macbook and one for Wholesale Motors from April 2018.

It was noted that the Intel1988 password was also used for the Duggar family Facebook and Twitter accounts.

 

I have to wonder if the Duggars have since changed those passwords.  

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Clayman asked Fottrell if it was fair to say the person who used Tor only used it for child sexual abuse material, and Fottrell replied that that's what he found.

He asked if Linux could be accessed remotely but he didn't see that in this case.

[Enya Face]

2 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

FWIW, I think this sweatshirt contraption is supposed to have a cowl or drape neck, and she has it pulled back straight because Nike.

Also the skirt makes her look like she's wearing Batman's codpiece.

Batman got a big ole’ dick!

(Im so sorry, the neuropathy in my legs and feet is bad enough I took some medicine and now I’m like 🤤)

[GeeGolly]

I know its not trial related, but WTF is this?? 

Quiz Mommy Amy King Duggar

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

An image was shown that was allegedly a reflection of Josh Duggar in the computer screen 45 minutes before Tor was downloaded.

Gelfand then got back up to cross-examine Fottrell.

The Sun reporter noted that he raised his voice.

He asked Fottrell more about being connected to the HP computer and what was seized.

[Dimi1]

27 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

IBLP is against meds. If she's emotional at all, she's white-knuckling it to maintain control. 

Interesting that her only show of emotion was when her email and phone number was shown. 

What did she do when they showed it? I did not see anything about it..

 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Fottrell brought up having enough devices that they didn't need the router.

Gelfand replied that no one had a clue if they had the right devices and that they needed them all.

He brought up that they know the thumb drive was plugged in just before Tor was installed.

Gelfand said if you find out who put the thumb drive in, you find out who downloaded the "porn."

[emmawoodhouse]

Just now, Dimi1 said:

What did she do when they showed it? I did not see anything about it..

 

I posted an account last night. As I quoted from my last post, she was "stonefaced" when the CSAM was shown and described. It was also noted that Anna might have seen a few of the thumbnails before the attorney moved or turned off his computer.

[lascuba]

 

11 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I have to wonder if the Duggars have since changed those passwords.  

Oh, I'm sure they would have been hacked ten times over by now if they hadn't.

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I know its not trial related, but WTF is this?? 

Quiz Mommy Amy King Duggar

Great, now Amy has a valid reason to insert herself. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Gelfand brought up the paparazzi angle again, noting that personal information could be sold.

Fottrell replied "What information?" and that Tor is to hide location.

Gelfand asked when a child sexual abuse material video is being streamed, if it could be accessible to anyone other than the person behind the computer.

Fottrell said it was possible, but not likely.

 

[BitterApple]

2 minutes ago, lascuba said:

 

Oh, I'm sure they would have been hacked ten times over by now if they hadn't.

Great, now Amy has a valid reason to insert herself. 

I was just about to say, Amy's gonna eat this shit up. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Clayman for the prosecution then questioned Fottrell again.

Fottrell said if Josh Duggar was on the computer at that time, he would have viewed someone else viewing child sexual abuse materials.

Fottrell said that was unlikely.

[quarks]

36 minutes ago, Zella said:

That was so telling to me. Even if she thinks Josh is innocent, she has no reaction to the fact that this nasty shit that was on his computer exists? But Josh's passwords that could probably be hacked by my Chihuahua being outed in public are the worst thing that has come out of this trial to her? Fuck her. 

I'm just wondering if:

1) She was warned that her bank info and password might be shown to the jury by accident. If not, well - that might explain why she reacted to that, but was able to stay calm/stony-faced when the CSA stuff was shown, since presumably she was at least sorta warned about that. 

2) She needed a safe - from her perspective - target for all of the rage that presumably is boiling up within her. After all, she's not the one on trial here, so why is her personal information getting shown in public court?

[iwantcookies]

49 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I have to wonder if the Duggars have since changed those passwords.  

I vote no 😂

[Tabbygirl521]

6 hours ago, hathorlive said:

They want plausible deniability.  If they aren't seen at the trial, they can distance themselves after a conviction. IF he's found not guilty, they can say they knew it all along and didn't let the trial impede their lives.

I think it might be as simple as not wanting to cause an extra circus of reporters swarming them - which they likely would. “How does it feel to have your son on trial? Do you believe the charges?” Etc. I’d be happy to see them hounded forever but I don’t think they’d enjoy it. 

[CandyCaneTree]

I wonder what the rest of the fundies really think about this?