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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
MargeGunderson

Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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greenturtle36

greenturtle36

"I wish that from now on that the Duggars would listen to their children a little better instead of bullying them into a marriage they neither want nor need."

 

Ain't gonna happen.  It's their way or no way!   Children are not individuals but extensions of themselves.  That's exactly right, he was pushed into a marriage so he could "meet his needs" legally, and he still did what he was doing.

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barbedwire

barbedwire

I hope this all doesn't circle back to Anna not meeting his needs.  What she needs to do is leave his ass, but she won't.  Her brother is right and the Duggars are wrong.  As someone said up thread they would do well to pay Danica off and make this all go away.  But then again I thought none of them should have ever been on t.v. again.  They must have a real need to be in the spotlight, good or bad.

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kokapetl

kokapetl

If Josh really didn't fuck Ms Dillon, it's worth fighting, settling with her will encourage more people to make claims. I assumed he did pay her for sex, and she was really just trying to cash in, but now it seems one of them is making their whole story up, and I don't know who to believe.

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greenturtle36

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If Josh really didn't fuck Ms Dillon, it's worth fighting, settling with her will encourage more people to make claims. I assumed he did pay her for sex, and she was really just trying to cash in, but now it seems one of them is making their whole story up, and I don't know who to believe.

 

Hmm, who to believe?  The woman or the child molester and serial cheater who lied to his wife?  Hmm?

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

Whatever is Smuggar going to do?

He's got to face real world consequences in a real world courtroom. Oh the horror!

I hope he gets tried by a lesbian judge and gets manhandled by a butch bailiff named Ute.

Even if that scenario plays out, I'm sure it's still more dignified and less embarrassing than Gothard or Boob public tribunal/shaming.

Maybe he'll be sentenced to undergo actual court ordered therapy with a REAL licensed therapist! Perhaps this might be the best thing that could have happened as there might be a chance now that he'd actually get the help he needs.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

Lily and Ellie are the biggest Duggar sycophants out there. Of course they don't want a divorce. These fools want the show restored to its former glory for crissakes! I am only surprised that they didn't blame Anna for her husband's failings. I bet most fundie women, behind Anna's back, DO blame her, as they would blame themselves in a similar situation. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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Letter from Lori Alexander?  She's a loon. 

Yeah, I still had the window open, now curious, and saw that it was from that loon (perfect word choice, btw). I stopped right there. She and her husband Ken are cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Ken has participated in flame wars on FJ that were epic. Delusional doesn't even begin to describe them. 

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TomServo

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I didn't do it, but if I did, it doesn't count because whore. Nice, Josh.

 

That's not Josh's idea; it's his lawyer's citing the legal doctrine of estoppel.  There are situations in which under normal circumstances a person would be able to assert a right, but something else they've done negates the claim.  This is a civil case and the rules are different, but I'll give you a real-world example from a criminal trial.  I live in a state that has a Stand Your Ground law.  There was an incident a couple of years ago where a man stabbed a woman to death.  There was no question that he did it as a result of being threatened by her, but he was convicted of manslaughter anyway because the stabbing occurred during a drug deal gone bad.  The Stand Your Ground law states that a person has no duty to retreat IF two conditions are met:  1. the person has a legal right to be where they are, and 2. they are engaged in lawful conduct at the time.  The defendant did not meet the "engaged in lawful conduct" test; therefore, even though the deceased was trying to rob him and had a weapon, the defendant had a duty to retreat.  If the exact same scenario had played out during a Craigslist transaction, he most likely wouldn't have been charged, much less convicted.  So, yes, in court it sometimes does turn out to be relevant that the person bringing the suit was engaged in illegal activity at the time of the alleged incurred damages.

 

That LAWYR is probably pulling his hair out by the handfuls and throwing every excuse/"defense" against the wall to see if it'll stick.

 

IANAL, but I am related to several and I know someone personally who has been through a civil sexual assault case from the plaintiff side.  The motion from Josh's attorney looks pretty run-of-the-mill to me.  It's going through each of the claims in the plaintiff's filing and giving an affirmative defense to as many of them as possible.  It's not dirty tricks; it's just what you do.  I also don't have any suspicions about the timing.  We don't know what kind of advice Josh was getting from his lawyer re: how much he was allowed to say about the case in public.  We don't know how much access Josh has had to his lawyer considering he's been in a facility that won't even let your family members come visit (that was probably the most interesting part of the filing to me--the acknowledgement that Josh has actually been staying at RU).

 

Furthermore, the memo Josh's lawyer attached to the end reminds me of strategies I've seen play out in divorce battles where one side continually ignores deadlines to produce court-ordered documentation in order to frustrate the other side.  It makes me suspicious that she was more interested in the publicity than justice; otherwise you'd think she'd have her ducks in a row on the most basic documentation.  Josh's attorney is claiming that he has submitted "more than one hundred pages of alibi documents to Plaintiff’s counsel, as well as video footage and photographs. Defendant also supplied the contact information of many eyewitnesses to ensure that substantive initial disclosures were produced..." but that Danica has yet to produce the documentation of her claimed damages.

 

 

now it seems one of them is making their whole story up, and I don't know who to believe.

 

Or it could be neither of those things.  There's also the possibility that Josh is still gross, but he has an alibi AND that she thinks she's being truthful.  What if she had an encounter or two with some random pudgy 20-something in an orange mask who told her he was the famous Josh and she believed it because she was feeling ready4this in DC?  (please note I don't think this is actually what went down.  It's just what happened to be behind Door Number Three)

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Micks Picks

Micks Picks

Perhaps the documentation produced in pictures and video was of Danica engaging in the activity she described as occurring with Josh, but they are pictures and videos of her performing the same or similar activity with co-actors in the course of her adult film career. Now maybe the defendant's lawyer is saying that the descriptions are so similar that she may have mixed up her contact with Josh, or may be getting treated not for the incidents with Josh alone, but with all the other guys which have now added up to PTSD.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Just a thought ...

 

I can scroll and ignore, but I find myself feeling a little uncomfortable when the Josh jokes include the molestations. No matter what Jill & Jessa say about it, 5 young girls were assaulted and that is not funny.

 

No offense intended to anyone, it never feels as if anyone is intending to make anybody feel uncomfortable.

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Barb23

Barb23

Maybe he'll be sentenced to undergo actual court ordered therapy with a REAL licensed therapist! Perhaps this might be the best thing that could have happened as there might be a chance now that he'd actually get the help he needs.

I agree with you .

How come when I picture Joshley in a court room, Boob is sitting with him& the lawyers at the defendants table?

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JoanArc

JoanArc

 

She asks a good question. She can also go to her nearest convenience store, buy a bag of dicks, and eat them for basically letting the Duggars off the hook in her interview. Not a single pressing question, and few to no follow ups. Their story was transparent BS. Shame on her for being a PR person instead of a journalist.

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Lemur

Lemur

Whatever is Smuggar going to do?

He's got to face real world consequences in a real world courtroom. Oh the horror!

I hope he gets tried by a lesbian judge and gets manhandled by a butch bailiff named Ute.

Even if that scenario plays out, I'm sure it's still more dignified and less embarrassing than Gothard or Boob public tribunal/shaming.

Maybe he'll be sentenced to undergo actual court ordered therapy with a REAL licensed therapist! Perhaps this might be the best thing that could have happened as there might be a chance now that he'd actually get the help he needs.

 

Unless I'm mistaken ... or things have changed in the last couple of days and I wasn't paying attention ... it's still just a civil trial, right?  So there would be no sentencing.

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barbedwire

barbedwire

That would be so great if the judge ordered real therapy for ole Joshy!  I have a nephew whose wife begged him to get a job (she got preggers by him and believed his lying ass that he spent his days job hunting).  After 2 years she was done begging and filed for divorce.  He asked for alimony and the judge gave him 6 months to get a job.  The judge did what the family couldn't - convince him that work was a good thing.

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DangerousMinds

DangerousMinds

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Lily and Ellie are the biggest Duggar sycophants out there. Of course they don't want a divorce. These fools want the show restored to its former glory for crissakes! I am only surprised that they didn't blame Anna for her husband's failings. I bet most fundie women, behind Anna's back, DO blame her, as they would blame themselves in a similar situation. 

Just like they are all blaming Hillary . . . . .? I'll just let that be. But it's true.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

Lemur,

I'm not an attorney but I'm pretty sure you are correct. He can't be sentenced in a civil trial, just ordered by the court. She could offer to drop the suit if he agrees to counseling or the judge could order it.

I should have posted to say court ordered. My bad. I guess I will show myself out to the prayer closet...I should know the way by now...

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Marigold

Marigold

Maybe Josh has some substance abuse issues and is very fuzzy on which woman he paid for sex, which woman he roughed up and which stripper he is a fan of and WHEN it all happened.

I bet the LAWYR is going to bring up that next.

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JoanArc

JoanArc

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Did you read the comments too? Haha

I'm not there yet. I just assume she could've gotten some revenge strange. But really, I expect it's Josh's and he's the only one at RU that got an overnight sex visitor.

That family will be screwed forever.

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JoanArc

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Wasn't her planned visit over Christmas? There's no way she could know today if she was pregnant if that's the case.

If there was a visit over Thanksgiving, it would be possible.

I think there were reports of a visit before Christmas when she brought just Meredith. Ew.

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Churchhoney

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Just saw this on Radar Online.  Not sure how true this is, but it would be shocker.

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/anna-duggar-josh-duggar-pregnant-reportedly-expecting-fifth-child/

 

If she is pregnant again, then I have absolutely no sympathy for her.  

 

 

Another thing it would show -- for the umpteenth time, of course -- is that despite all their talk about "precious blessings," not one of them gives a flying crap about children at all.

 

Hoping this is a misreport, though. For the sake of that possible baby.

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Saylii

Saylii

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There is seriously something wrong with these people. I'm sure Michelle thinks it's a "blessing".

I'm curious who is spilling the beans -- Jimboob?

If it's true, I'd guess Famy. But I kind of side-eye whether she'd be included unless Anna was waving around a pee stick.

Just straight up speculation that she's pregnant would I think be left to Jana, maybe Jinger, Boob & Michelle. I can't imagine how much of an idiot Anna would have to be to call a family meeting to announce that she feels like she might be pregnant, but I guess there are stranger things.

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Sew Sumi

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I seriously doubt that private spousal visits are permitted because the inmates...errr....patients would be out of the control of the facility and all sorts of drugs could be taken, alcohol drunk, sex had. 

 

However, visitors are allowed at 45 day intervals and, presumably, Christmas. She could have made her first visit as early as early-mid October. BUT she's looked THINNER than ever, and this is a girl who seems to show almost immediately. So yeah, I think this is nothing more than clickbait.

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Tabbygirl521

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The article says she THINKS she's pregnant. Wiggle room.

If she really thinks such a conception indicates that God forgives Jish, I wonder what she thinks about babies conceived via rape.

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TomServo

TomServo

Unless I'm mistaken ... or things have changed in the last couple of days and I wasn't paying attention ... it's still just a civil trial, right?  So there would be no sentencing.

 

Right, although in theory something like that could be part of a settlement between the two parties.

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Just24

Just24

Wasn't her planned visit over Christmas? There's no way she could know today if she was pregnant if that's the case.

If there was a visit over Thanksgiving, it would be possible.

 

If I remember correctly, there was an episode right after Anna and Josh got married where she discussed that she had been taking pregnancy tests essentially every month to find out if she was pregnant yet. If she slept with Josh, I would say there's a good chance that she took some of those pregnancy tests that the Duggars buy in bulk.

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whydoiwatch

whydoiwatch

The sex obsessed Duggars feel the need to remind us ignorant heathens that they have "marital relations."

Anna "thinking" she may be pregnant is just another example. She is telling "everyone" that during her visits to see the swine spouse, they screwed. Becoming pregnant again doesn't make Anna an idiot, she was already an idiot.

In her own words, Anna desires her marriage to be restored. In her world, that probably means having another baby.

I don't get the sympathy for her. She is pushing thirty, no longer a kid. Grow up and quit having babies with your perverted husband and make a life for the children you have.

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barbedwire

barbedwire

I think she is like some (not all) welfare moms:  if I have another kid, that is more money.  Or in Duggar Dependence World:  if you have another child you are godly and we will take care of you.  And you are a woman so you don't have to get a job.

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cereality

cereality

How did I not know that Joshie got sued in my hometown federal court?? JB must be beside himself, though it looks like he's retained a Pennsylvania lawyer for Joshie boy, rather than calling in a favor with an Arkansas law firm. Though maybe he doesn't want the Duggar name dragged through the mud any more in Arkansas that it already has been. (Not that any deposition given by Josh won't make the Arkansas news.)

 

I'm a litigator too (though not this type of litigation), and just looking at the papers: (i) I'm glad Josh's motion to dismiss was denied so now all the cell phone records, EZ pass records or credit charge charges showing his whereabouts etc. will HAVE TO come out and likely he'll be deposed as well; and (ii) Josh and Daddy Duggar better be 100% certain that when he said that he had NEVER interacted with the woman, spoken to her, gone to a hotel with her, and wasn't even in PA those 2 times -- they better be certain that he is 100% NOT LYING about this. Answers are verified under the penalty of perjury; if he and daddy cooked up a scheme to say these things while in their heart saying "well he didn't PURPOSE TO interact with her or go to a hotel with her" -- in the same way that they have spun being unfaithful to Anna = looking at porn -- if he stretched the truth on these answers and it comes out, he's going to be looking at an obstruction of justice charge in federal court, which won't be pretty.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

God, I hope this isn't true. It's amazing that there are three married Duggars, three in-laws and an ever-growing brood of grandkids, yet none of these people have a job.

If Anna is pregnant, I have zero sympathy. A band-aid baby isn't going to make Josh keep his dick in his pants. It's a nice accessory for the Redemption Tour, but behind closed doors I think Josh will withdraw even further.

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cereality

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The same way that Anna said that "if I reacted how I wanted to [divorce], I would have turned a MESS into a DISASTER" -- I bet now she has convinced herself (with the help of her parents, the gross Duggar inlaws, and Joshie himself) that she has been a "mess" for long enough and now she needs to move on and forgive God's child for making one little mistake by putting his d*ck where it didn't belong. So now she's realized that she must purpose to be a mother once again bc that is her true purpose -- to raise God's army -- thus it was time to let Josh hit it again.

 

How can she even have s*x with him ever again? I mean she can really have him on her and not thing -- wow the last time he did this, it wasn't with me, it was with a prostitute as he cheated on me?? Has he even been tested for STDs? Has she?? Or do fundie midwives just not do that?

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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There was an unsubstantiated rumor that she'd been tested, but there's no way we'll ever know one way or another. I remember STDs being a topic in the book "written" by the Duggar Daughters (in the context of pre-marital sex, IIRC), but what these people do when the rubber hits the road may be something else entirely (ie. sweep it under the rug like they've done everything else).

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Chalby

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I didn't do it, but if I did, it doesn't count because whore. Nice, Josh.

It's a response like this that supports the reasoning that Josh does not believe he did anything wrong. Women exist for procreation and to serve men (be it emotionally, sexually, etc.). This woman does not even exist as a 'person' to Josh.

 I'm a lawyer and I would be ashamed to "brag" about my horrible decision of becoming a lawyer to the public like that.  

You may feel it's a horrible decision, but believe it or not, I am grateful to those of you who take this path because we all eventually need a lawyer. The fact that you wouldn't have vanity plates makes me more inclined to want to employ you.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

I feel bad for Anna because she is so cultified. She appears to me to be much more intelligent than any of her in-laws. I really don't think she is stupid enough to get knocked up now though. However, due to her fundyism, I'm sure she will be soon after she and Josh reestablish their family.

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Micks Picks

Micks Picks

Oh yes, this is just what Josh wants and needs.  We all remember how delighted he was with the 4th kid.  He always looked like he had acid indigestion every time she went on her wanting a baby rant, and he developed the runs and vomiting I'm sure when informed that it had happened.  I don't think he wanted to see another pee stick as long as he lived.  He appeared to be a good father to the three he had, but he was played out, and honest enough to know it, but not forceful enough to enforce it.

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barbedwire

barbedwire

I too worry about what baby #5, if there is a baby #5, will do to Josh.  He seemed to be overwhelmed with the brood he already had, but then again he had money to spend on hookers.  And, then again, Josh does have the power to put on a condom no matter what his daddy/Gothard says.  Anna must obey him so Joshy you go ahead and use that condom or go get it snipped (a better use of your spare thousands of dollars IMO).

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BradandJanet

BradandJanet

If Anna IS actually dumb enough to be preggers at this juncture, we will be asked to believe this pregnancy is god's way of BLESSING them as a reward for choosing to TRUST GOD, REMAIN TRUE TO THEIR MARRIAGE COVENANT, WALK THROUGH THIS FIRE TOGETHER, and INVEST IN EACH OTHER AND THEIR MARRIAGE.

Sadly, stupid can't be fixed.

 

Alas, if this becomes their message from god, then people like me will have to conclude their god is nuts. 

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