kokapetl August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) Childcare is no goldmine, at least not for frontline workers. It needs to be cheaper to employ someone to look after a child than it is for the child's parents to not work and look after the child themselves. Edited August 28, 2015 by Kokapetl 3 Link to comment
truthtalk2014 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I think the women are made to sleep in an extra 30 minutes as just another way to protect good men from lusting after the harlots. The men can get up, showered, shaved, dressed and down to breakfast before The Tempters start roaming the halls in sleep pants and camisoles, or flannel full-length nightgowns. No danger of eye contact and titillation. On the face of the rule, it MIGHT seem that the women are getting a perk but I dont believe the 30 minutes of extra sleep is anything but just another method of control. RU's leadership wouldn't consider reversing the rule to give the men the extra time either. Too risky that one of the poor, weak Adams might peek into the hallway to catch a glimpse of decollete or into the bathroom as the evil Eves are showering. Does anyone have a link to the rules of this place. I must be looking on the wrong site. Thanks! Link to comment
BitterApple August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Regarding Anna leaving, I don't think she's ever thought about life beyond Wife/Mother. If she took her brother up on his offer, she could enroll in a two-year trade program that would give her a marketable skill. Josh would most certainly have to pay some kind of settlement plus child support so that would give her a little financial cushion. Would things suck for a while? Absolutely, but it would be much better than living your life wondering if your husband was giving you herpes or spending his checks on hookers. 11 Link to comment
Churchhoney August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) He's already lost his job, he's cost them their TV show, he's put his marriage in jeopardy, he's destroyed his entire family's reputation. What could possibly happen to him that is worse than what's already happened? I don't think Josh is brave either, but I think "something explosive" is exactly what's going on right now. Josh has been out in the world and experienced living on his own, no matter how sheltered he was. He had a taste of freedom. Now he's back in Jesus Labor Camp. I doubt he went voluntarily -- they're practically holding his wife and kids hostage. Even if he returns to Jim Bob Land a changed man, he's never going to have a minute of freedom ever again. I think that just might be enough to push him out the door. Yeah, you could be right. That certainly is quite list of things. ..... It may just be overdone Josh-despising on my part, but I don't see him as brave enough even to do it in light of all that stuff! To me, he comes off as a spoiled whiny baby, an all-hat-and-no-cattle pile of backwoods arrogance and a blustering wussy of staggering proportions. ....(Did I mention that I despise him (although not as much as I despise his parents)?) ... In either case, I guess we'll find out soon, looks like. The next year or so should be pretty interesting on the Josh front. Edited August 28, 2015 by Churchhoney 7 Link to comment
Blondeone21 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) But isn't that the whole idea behind no education? Josh is totally enmeshed with his father. It is an unhealthy, co-dependent relationship, but this is what they look like. Josh has no independent personhood of his own. Josh has to do as daddy says, or else he is just a loser with nothing going for him. Josh has no education and no real work skills. How can he support four kids without the help of his father? The answer is that he can't; he is totally trapped with no way out but to "please" his father. Wow, well it took a week but damn if I am not coming around to feeling a bit sorry for this little turd. Josh himself knew he was not cut out for all this, so why did his parents force him? Was it really worth it? He could do many things....work at a car lot, construction or flip burgers. From what I have read he has his own money. He is 27 and plenty of people do it on their own with kids. I agree that his parents did not set him up for a life of his own but that doesn't mean he can't do it. Edited August 28, 2015 by Blondeone21 3 Link to comment
Magoo August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 People would still watch the Duggars. Maybe not leghumpers, but those who disagree with everything they stand for would enjoy seeing their downfall. - 3 is enough In my mind, this show could easily go back on TV if (and only if) Anna divorced Josh and the Duggars stood by her, openly supporting her decision. And Josh would never be allowed to appear, ever. The family would have their beloved cash cow back, the leghumpers would turn Anna into their own tragic, martyred heroine and secular fans would bask in Josh's banishment and societal shunning. Win-win. The big hitch in that whole giddyup is that the Duggars are their own worst enemy. Jim Bob and Michelle will never turn their backs on their golden child or admit their parenting failures, Anna will always be made to feel like she was ultimately responsible for the downfall of this entire family by not being Godly enough (whatever), and divorce would make her even more of a pariah. But for realsies...if they really, really want it all back, it's just that simple. 12 Link to comment
Blondeone21 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I think we cannot discount how fame and fortune motivates the entire Duggar family. It makes no sense that J'Boob and ME'Shell Of A Human Being would make a statement about sending their grown adult son off to rehab, unless they were fighting to save the family image so that they can GET BACK ON TELEVISION. They are on the cover of this week's People, recounting how they have all survived, post-molestation scandal. In it they reiterate their anger at whoever in law enforcement released the records. There is even a little sidebar with Josh and Anna looking lovingly at each other. They were all working it to affect public opinion ... the public opinion that got them tossed off of tv. Sucks for them that the Ashley Madison scandal broke before the Put the Duggars Back on TeeVee groundswell could official start to swell. All of these children, on the surface, have gone along and replicated their parents' lifestyle simply because to their ignorant, sheltered, inexperienced brains, their parents lifestyle has brought them all great fame and fortune. (They don't understand that half of the ratings are people tuning in to ogle a freak show). They are CELEBRITIES first and foremost now. The girls all want a wedding special, their children's births filmed, the cover of US and People, etc. We don't know how much pressure and competition there is amongst them to be featured on television. So it's hard to tell if they are replicating their parents lifestyle because they truly desire it, or merely because marriage and babies, right now, gets them their own very special episodes. Kind of like if a tree falls in a forest .... if you have 20 babies but no one is filming it is it still worth having 20 babies? Is it fun anymore if no one is filming it? I doubt it. Also, does anyone think that Josh also might have confessed to his parents that he picked up a filthy and evil drinking habit? And that is what they have zeroed in on as the root cause of the problem and hence off to the drug and alcohol rehab center? Because I cannot imagine that Josh will do hookers and porn but draw the line at booze? Nah. Just out of curiosity, what is the fantastic restaurant in Rockford? Lino's Italian Restaurant. We have some of the best pizza places! 3 Link to comment
sometimesy August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I agree with you. I also hope she loses this particular brand of faith of gives them all the middle finger and writes a tell-all. But she won't. On the Jessa thread, I posted that she would be my least favourite option to write the tell-all, but I would take it. It NEEDS to be written (real details, not JB approved book). I think Jessa would do it for fame and money. Josh for the same reasons. Now that I think about it, ANNA would be my least favourite. Anna is DULL and DIM. Sorry Anna, you didn't deserve to be cheated on, but you apparently knew he wasn't lily white when you married him, you stayed when it became public so you knew who you were standing by 3 months ago. Anna pushed for the kids, and IMO the J'slaves shouldn't be adding to their daycare for her. She can go to HER family, they have offered. It sucks that it is all happening in the public, but Anna knew what she was getting into. There was a camera at the proposal. She stood by Josh and his FRC bullshit. She has a place to go and at least one offer of legal help. I do feel bad for her, or any man or woman who believes in their relationship only to find they have been lied to the entire time, but if she is determined to stay, she has accepted the consequences. 8 Link to comment
charmed1 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 There's no such thing as stds in fundie land.Hee! Sin pimples. 7 Link to comment
Defrauder August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her? Murder? 17 Link to comment
MarysWetBar August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 It's hard for me to put into words as it is mostly instinct rather than rational thought, but I have always preferred Anna over Jessa. Jill and Anna seem far more sincere to me for some reason. Jana and Joy also come across better to me than Jessa or Jinger. I find them both..let's use the word "sly". And I am not bashing them by any means...but I think that Anna, Jill, Jana and Joy truly believe in this bullshit they have been fed and attempt to live their lives that way. Jessa and Jinger strike me like mean girls whispering away behind backs...setting people up to catch shit from JB. Jinger with the raccoon eye rolling..Jessa with the smirks. And while I can almost respect them for independent thought and more backbone..I can't...cus "sly". Jessa honestly used that word in a positive way in the interview. Instincts. 10 Link to comment
Patricia07 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Yeah, it was like Jessa admired Josh for being "sly". 10 Link to comment
sometimesy August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 It's hard for me to put into words as it is mostly instinct rather than rational thought, but I have always preferred Anna over Jessa. Jill and Anna seem far more sincere to me for some reason. Jana and Joy also come across better to me than Jessa or Jinger. I find them both..let's use the word "sly". And I am not bashing them by any means...but I think that Anna, Jill, Jana and Joy truly believe in this bullshit they have been fed and attempt to live their lives that way. Jessa and Jinger strike me like mean girls whispering away behind backs...setting people up to catch shit from JB. Jinger with the raccoon eye rolling..Jessa with the smirks. And while I can almost respect them for independent thought and more backbone..I can't...cus "sly". Jessa honestly used that word in a positive way in the interview. Instincts. Anna does comes across as the sweet one, but remember they are taught to use their voices and smiles to give that impression of meekness. Anna seems deep into the cult. I don't like everything Jessa says on her Instagram, and I like to snark on her modesty boundaries, yet applaud her guts to push the envelope and her willingness to publically proclaim what she privately believes. Link to comment
Wellfleet August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Alice sounds like a fellow church goer. That was my thinking too. From what she writes, she seems like someone "very inside" the church. The other day I was thinking she might even be a "he." 3 Link to comment
kokapetl August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Anna probably probably does value motherhood over "wifehood". She takes pride in her children, Josh she seems less concerned about. If Josh wanted out of the marriage, I can picture her saying no way, to her this marriage isn't really about him. 1 Link to comment
Anne Elk August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) Yeah, you could be right. That certainly is quite list of things. ..... It may just be overdone Josh-despising on my part, but I don't see him as brave enough even to do it in light of all that stuff! To me, he comes off as a spoiled whiny baby, an all-hat-and-no-cattle pile of backwoods arrogance and a blustering wussy of staggering proportions. ....(Did I mention that I despise him (although not as much as I despise his parents)?) ... In either case, I guess we'll find out soon, looks like. The next year or so should be pretty interesting on the Josh front. Oh, I forgot! In addition to all that, the whole world knows he's a child molester. So there's that. I mean, damn. I always thought the Duggar way was going to produce some messed-up kids, but I almost have to admire how thoroughly Josh self-destructed. I would never have thought he had it in him. Yes, it's going to be interesting to see what he does next, which is not something I would ever have said about him a couple of months ago. Edited August 28, 2015 by Anne Elk 16 Link to comment
ariel August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I should confess, I am a bleeding heart. I don't like the Duggars condemning people, but I don't like the Duggars being condemned either. I’m a bleeding heart too & I have no problem calling out the Duggars on their hypocrisy. If that is considered condemning so be it. 19 Link to comment
MarysWetBar August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Anna does comes across as the sweet one, but remember they are taught to use their voices and smiles to give that impression of meekness. Anna seems deep into the cult. I don't like everything Jessa says on her Instagram, and I like to snark on her modesty boundaries, yet applaud her guts to push the envelope and her willingness to publically proclaim what she privately believes. I agree about the keeping sweet thing Anna and Jana and Jill have...I know they are working what they have been taught. But Anna is a good mother, I think..other than the cult-think she will perpetuate with her children. Her children are well behaved and seem to have little personalities. The Duggar littles don't. So, that gives Anna some slack from me. Jill's reaction on that interview broke my heart. Just cracked it. She seemed like that little girl again..the one pretending she was sleeping..pretending so hard so that her brother might fuck right off and get out of her room. Jessa..not so much. Jessa using the word sly..I cant get her smirk and her use of that word out of my head. But like I said...just my instincts alone here. I dont know these girls at all. I just know that if I was to have to pick them on sincerity or perceived sincerity...Jill and Anna come across as more "christian"...real christian...not phony swaggart christian, like Jessa does. 9 Link to comment
OhioMom August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Oh, here's the blog post I mentioned upthread re: the Big Sandy conference. The mother sings Michelle's praises, so take everything with a truckload of salt. I'm really bummed out. I mis-read your original post, and thought it said that "Joshie" (not Josie) was reportedly a "wild child." Imagine my disappointment when, after reading the blog, I found nothing except Michelle supposedly correctly Josie, and telling her the proper way to "behave". I was hoping for some more Josh dirt. 1 Link to comment
kokapetl August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) I'm really bummed out. I mis-read your original post, and thought it said that "Joshie" (not Josie) was reportedly a "wild child." Imagine my disappointment when, after reading the blog, I found nothing except Michelle supposedly correctly Josie, and telling her the proper way to "behave". I was hoping for some more Josh dirt. it turned out to just be literally dirt on Josie. Edited August 28, 2015 by Kokapetl 8 Link to comment
Granny58 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her? divorce for adultery IS allowed in the New Testament, so it wouldn't be hypocritical, unless she has specifically said she believes it is even in such circumstances. 4 Link to comment
Liz Tudor August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 But the one that puzzles me the most is why the women are allowed to sleep in 30 minutes longer than the men? C'mon, y'all...that 30 extra minutes is for countenance/hair/wardrobe work! As per Jill R. So, while the menfolk are having breakfast & Bible study, the ladies are trowling on makeup, blasting away hair spray, and outfitting themselves in their (very limited) choices of floor length skirts & shirts. But NO dangly earrings, mind you. 7 Link to comment
Joe Jitsu913 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) That porn star Josh "allegedly" cheated with looks like a porn-y version of Anna. Does anyone remember when Josh said that he was attracted to Anna because she reminded him of his mother? Talk about Mommy issues. Edited August 28, 2015 by Joe Jitsu913 8 Link to comment
yogi2014L August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 That porn star Josh "allegedly" cheated with looks like a porn-y version of Anna. Dies anyone remember when Josh said that he was attracted to Anna because she reminded him of his mother? Talk about Mommy issues. Maybe the porn star reminded Joshy of his mothers hussy days as a bikini clad cheerleader :-0 12 Link to comment
becca3891 August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 ... Counting the hours until that livestream... I missed something! What livestream? This family couldn't be true Gothardites, though, since they have obviously adopted children (good for them!). Definitely good for them! Gothard does not forbid adoption, though, contrary to popular belief. He merely cautions people to be aware of "generational sins." It's hard for me to put into words as it is mostly instinct rather than rational thought, but I have always preferred Anna over Jessa. Jill and Anna seem far more sincere to me for some reason. Jana and Joy also come across better to me than Jessa or Jinger. I find them both..let's use the word "sly". And I am not bashing them by any means...but I think that Anna, Jill, Jana and Joy truly believe in this bullshit they have been fed and attempt to live their lives that way. Jessa and Jinger strike me like mean girls whispering away behind backs...setting people up to catch shit from JB. Jinger with the raccoon eye rolling..Jessa with the smirks. And while I can almost respect them for independent thought and more backbone..I can't...cus "sly". Jessa honestly used that word in a positive way in the interview. Instincts. Yes! A good example of Jessa's slyness was when she flat-out denied throwing a bagel at a cameraman. Then, the producer called her out and said there was video footage. She kind of stuttered and looked totally busted. 11 Link to comment
Fuzzysox August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Maybe the porn star reminded Joshy of his mothers hussy days as a bikini clad cheerleader :-0 You win the internet today. lol but ewww all at the same time 4 Link to comment
Missy Vixen August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 If instead of doubling down on these morally, spiritually bankrupt philosophies that have failed repeatedly, he made a drastic 180, he'd be so much better off. He'd win more fame, more money, and tons of respect for standing up and indicting his upbringing. IMHO. I'm not sure writing a tell-all would be great for anyone else than Smuggar. There are siblings who appear to want to be left alone. (Jana, JD, Josiah for starters.) a tell-all would make the previous ninety days look like an afternoon in the park as far as media attention. The fallout on the younger kids would be swift and catastrophic. Additional revelations may bring Arkansas' version of CPS swooping in to remove the Howlers and Lost Girls from the home. While they'd be away from their (alleged) BSC parents, they may not end up in a better situation after all. I don't believe that Smuggar has the backbone or the moral center to do anything that benefits anyone but himself. And I don't trust that he would get the kind of professional advice that would (for once) put his siblings' health and safety above his own. 3 Link to comment
wovenloaf August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) divorce for adultery IS allowed in the New Testament, so it wouldn't be hypocritical, unless she has specifically said she believes it is even in such circumstances. Yep, because the cheating party has essentially (literally, really) already left the marriage. But the Duggars/Gothardites don't appear to read the actual Bible very often, or hang out with people who do...so I guess they wouldn't know that! (edited b/c grammar!) Edited August 28, 2015 by wovenloaf 8 Link to comment
OhioMom August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I missed something! What livestream? Definitely good for them! Gothard does not forbid adoption, though, contrary to popular belief. He merely cautions people to be aware of "generational sins." Yes! A good example of Jessa's slyness was when she flat-out denied throwing a bagel at a cameraman. Then, the producer called her out and said there was video footage. She kind of stuttered and looked totally busted. How old was she when she did this???!!! There has to be a great backstory there! Or was she just being a bratty kid?? And where can I find out more??!! Link to comment
SometimesBites August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I read the "About Us" section and she married a 28 year old guy at 17 after only dating 3 months. Then fell headlong into evangelism. Gotta give credit, adopting/fostering 6 kids is a wonderful thing, though I did bristle at the fact that they changed every kid's name after adoption, even ones who were clearly old enough to identify with the one they had. She said Michelle spent all day cleaning the campsite and parenting kids. I need the receipts on that one, lol. WTF is wrong with these people. God, they are so deeply ignorant. 10 Link to comment
Missy Vixen August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 The thing of it is, is that Josh cannot use birth control without his entire social circle being viciously down on him. I completely agree that adults do need to make their own decisions, but I think that sometimes those of us from normal backgrounds forget a little just how fucked up Josh's life is. He and Anna can't stop having kids or else they risk being completely ostracized from all of their friends and family (well Anna at least has one cool sibling). Breaking away from your social support is much harder than many here understand. Breaking away from the social support: I did it. I'd do it again in a second. It was worth everything I went through, too. I am STILL getting notes on Facebook from people in my former fundie church, twenty years later: "Let's have lunch and catch up." AKA "Let's have lunch so I can confront you about your sinfulness and how you need to come back to Jesus." I think the lack of birth control due to social pressure is just an excuse. We've all had moments in life when we had to make our own decisions. Why is it ANYONE ELSE'S business whether a couple chooses to use birth control? They're adults. They're paying their own bills. (Well, I'd like to hope they are.) They have their own household. If Smuggar didn't want more than three kids, it was on him to prevent those kids from arriving. Instead of doing the responsible, adult thing (using birth control or natural family planning) he took the lazy way out and left it up to Anna, who seems to have a bad case of baby rabies and is very competitive with his sisters re: how many babies she can have. Who's running things, anyway? Want to be the big man/patriarch? Stand up on your hind legs and make a decision. And the whole thing about judgment and censure from their friends? They were in DC for most of this while the friends and family were in Arkansas. There was enough geographical distance that an easy way to avoid the BS was to stop taking those friends and family's calls until they backed off on the snoopy questions. IMHO, of course. If anyone here thinks Smuggar will be welcomed back into the fold of family and friends anytime soon, rehab or not, they're nuts. He knew when he embarked on this path there was no turning back. Instead of manning up, telling his wife they'd be using birth control and/or agreeing the marriage didn't work out, doing his best to hang onto his high-paying job until he could get enough education or experience to transition into something else that would support the kids he's already made, he took the chicken's way out: He made sure he was going to get caught. He was toooo overpowered by the "sins of the flesh" to be responsible for his behavior. Instead of wrecking his own life, he's wrecked the lives of at least five other people. As so many here have mentioned, the Internet is forever. Those kids will be suffering from their father's lack of a spine their entire lives. And I'm sure he's insisting to anyone who will listen it's "not his fault". 16 Link to comment
SometimesBites August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Breaking away from the social support: I did it. I'd do it again in a second. It was worth everything I went through, too. I am STILL getting notes on Facebook from people in my former fundie church, twenty years later: "Let's have lunch and catch up." AKA "Let's have lunch so I can confront you about your sinfulness and how you need to come back to Jesus." Me, too. On both counts. Several have tracked me down via Facebook, and they first approach me by asking questions that make me feel like I'm in a time machine. They sound exactly like they did back in the 1970s, and my life has gone through so many radical changes that if I really explained myself, these people would keel over in shock. I did have a little outside support system when I fled (literally...in the middle of the night). Anna has that, too, with an older brother and even an attorney. But man, I have a mental image of Anna trapped in a huge circle of Duggars, all of them ringed around her, facing out, and smiling for the camera. 10 Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 How old was she when she did this???!!! There has to be a great backstory there! Or was she just being a bratty kid?? And where can I find out more??!! This was fairly early in the TV run. They were at that "zoo" where you fed the animals stale bagels. Jessa and Famy rode in the back of a truck with someone else (irrevalent to the story). Famy was shown throwing bagels and putting one on a rhino's horn. As for the livestream: the church that RU is affiliated with (North Love?) livestreams their Friday service, which, from what I saw of last week's get-together, looks a lot like an AA meeting, only without the anonymity. When Anna is allowed to visit, she will attend with Josh, who must attend these meetings. Joshie will be in the crowd tonight. The Duggars have shilled for this place in the past; does Boob have enough pull to knock the livestream off the internet? Hmmm.... 5 Link to comment
sometimesy August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 The Duggars have shilled for this place in the past; does Boob have enough pull to knock the livestream off the internet? Hmmm.... If he got a discount for the Duggar name, Josh will be in the front row centre. 2 Link to comment
TEEVEE August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 @TheFinalRose None of the Duggars were interviewed for the lastest People in which they featured all of the couples in "how they're doing" vignettes. They were quoted from old interviews and social media. The only new material in those blurbs came from the "insider source." Even Famy's remarks were things she'd already said on social media between Joshgate I and the time People went to press, before Joshgate II. That the Duggars refused to be interviewed regarding Joshgate is mentioned around here somewhere, probably the media thread. People has since "turned" on the Duggars. Back to Josh. It's all his fault. Frankly, I can't begin to imagine what he must be feeling about bringing down his family's empire. That is, IF he has a conscience. This point is certainly up for debate. I wonder just how much of a choice he really had to go to this "rehab" place (can't wait to see the livestream tomorrrow - Friday - night. Joshie will be sitting there amongst the dry drunks and crackheads), and how much of this was JB's doing? To be honest, I doubt Josh had much, if any, autonomy in the Duggar fold after Joshgate I. After Joshgate II, I can imagine that his parents and adult siblings, maybe aside from Josiah, rightly think he's scum. Anna? I can't begin to imagine what she's going through. Part of me really does feel sorry for her; she was the perfect fundie daughter and wife. And being that perfectly submissive creature came back to bite her in the ass. She had examples of women in her family who had left, so she stayed by choice. Certainly, a comfortable choice until now. I doubt it will happen, but I hope she is able to spend time with Daniel, Rebekah, and Suze while Joshie is locked away, and without the prying eyes and ears of other Duggars. She needs more points of view than the "counsel" the Duggars say she is receiving. We all know exactly what THAT entails... Counting the hours until that livestream... Am I missing something about the "livestream"? 1 Link to comment
JoanArc August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Thanks Sew. It's at 8 eastern. I'm exhausted, but I will watch. http://livestream.com/northlove/events/3868452 4 Link to comment
Julia August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 OK, am I missing something, or is this rehab requiring people who are being isolated from their families in recovery to appear on a national webcast identifying them as patients? 6 Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) Yes, Julia. The antihesis of anonymous. Interesting that the schedule we saw the other day says that the Friday evening RU event starts at 6:30 central. I guess they've changed that. I'll go ahead and check in early just in case. :) Edited August 28, 2015 by Sew Sumi 2 Link to comment
Cherrio August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) Please report back on the livestream. Someone yesterday said they got a nasty virus or malware from checking out the RU site, so I am hesitant to check it out. Also, I am getting to the point where I don't think I can stomach much more of these heinous ignorant pigs. Edited August 29, 2015 by Cherrio 4 Link to comment
JoanArc August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Please report back on the livestream. *cough* Hope the media is watching, too. *cough* cough* I'm sure snake handing, then the Church of Satan are in Josh's future. The kind of pseudorecovery just fucks people up more. 3 Link to comment
louannems August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I think I saw Anna and her mom, Mrs Keller, sitting in the back of the church! 1 Link to comment
Fuzzysox August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Please report back on the livestream. Someone yesterday said they got a nasty virus or malware from checking out the RU site, so I am hesitant to check it out. Also, I am getting to the post where I don't think I can stomach much more of these heinous ignorant pigs. I did. Never going near that site again. Will wait patiently until someone reports back. TIA 2 Link to comment
JoanArc August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 The site works w/o issue on my mac running firefox. Link to comment
Celia Rubenstein August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) Jessa's appearance at a gathering known as the Southern Women's Show in Charlotte, NC is being objected to by some women who think she is unqualified to speak. Click the "visitor post" thing on the left hand of the page an inch or two down to read the comments. https://www.facebook.com/SWSCharlotte/posts_to_page Posted within those comments is a link to this article (blog?) which asserts that the leader/founder (Paul Kingsbury) of the RU place Josh is rehabbing may be involved in supporting a missionary who is reportedly some kind of sex offender hiding out in Bolivia. It's kind of confusing. Also mentioned are a few other sex abuse situations and how Kingsbury and his cohorts dealt with them (or didn't deal with them, rather). From the article: Josh is at Reformers Unanimous, whose chairman and cofounder, Paul Kingsbury, had a longterm working relationship with convicted sexual predator Jack Schaap, is allegedly protecting an accused sex offender from justice, and allegedly has a habit of failing to notify people when a known sexual predator is in their midst. How an individual alleged to have such a troubled relationship with both legal accountability for sex offenses and established best practices for handling cases of sexual abuse can be expected to run an affective and above-board rehab program for individuals who come to him seeking help for addictions to porn or sex is perhaps question of the week. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/08/breaking-leadership-of-josh-duggars-treatment-center-allegedly-involved-in-sex-abuse-coverup.html For the record, this is the first time I have ever heard of this blog, and I have no idea how reliable it is. ETA: I found the original story about Jessa being protested in Radar Online, and they had some comments from the gathering's facebook page that I can't find there myself. They may have been deleted or I just don't know how to find them. Here they are, from ROL: “I would bet that there will be many women coming to your event that have been sexually molested, how do you think they will feel about this girl who minimizes it and has been taught it is her fault. You seriously need to re-think who your paid guests are!” one critic posted on Facebook. “I’M NOT GOING NOW!!! P*** poor role model, liar from a bigot family. BOYCOTT!” wrote another. “Why the hell would you invite a girl who was raised in a family that looks down on women?” a third said. Edited August 28, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein 5 Link to comment
CofCinci August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 (edited) I'm going to try to take one for the team and take grabs of the livestream. At this moment, 42 others are waiting on the RU livestream page. I doubt a single one of the viewers is an actual participant in RU. Edited August 28, 2015 by CofCinci 7 Link to comment
Julia August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 Jessa's appearance at a gathering known as the Southern Women's Show in Charlotte, NC is being objected to by some women who think she is unqualified to speak. Click the "visitor post" thing on the left hand of the page an inch or two down to read the comments... It doesn't get really special until a few posts below that where a rather manicured young woman in an unfortunate yellow crewneck sweater is flashing what appears to be the world's most suburban gang sign at the camera. 6 Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I think I saw Anna and her mom, Mrs Keller, sitting in the back of the church! They aren't allowed for 45 days, and Anna's mother wouldn't be allowed at all. The only visitors allowed are immediate family or pastors. I don't have a live feed yet. I think it starts in 15 minutes. I'm not sure if we can talk about it here live or not. Anyone? 2 Link to comment
JoanArc August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 At this moment, 42 others are waiting on the RU livestream page. I doubt a single one of the viewers is an actual participant in RU. It'll be telling if they don't post an archived copy. I wonder if Josh or RU knows 'we' know. Will he give a pre-scripted speech? 3 Link to comment
CofCinci August 28, 2015 Share August 28, 2015 I don't have a live feed yet. I think it starts in 15 minutes. I'm not sure if we can talk about it here live or not. Anyone? I hope we can. You can talk about the Oscars and the Caitlyn Jenner/Diane Sawyer interview live --- so we should be able to in here. If you look at the older videos, you can see most of the audience. We would most likely be able to see Josh if he is in attendance. 2 Link to comment
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