Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Zella]

Even if there is no actual money in those assets, I could see them being reluctant to apply for any aid since they'd then have to explain they have this network of moneyless LLCs. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Pingaponga said:

When Josh's sisters spoke to the police 15 some odd years ago, what was it that prompted that to happen? I can't remember if it was on JB and Michelle's initiative, or the police investigated because someone alerted them that something was wrong.

If I am not mistaken, the call was absolutely not initiated by the family. I think someone from Oprah actually called after they were tipped off that the family had covered up abuse. 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Do you think the car lots are part of that? It seems like they hardly sell any of those clunkers.

I tend to think no. I think they're real businesses. I'm not sure how successful they are, because they're Duggars, but I think the goal is to make money at the car lots. And they may be successful. Who knows.

[Zella]

I know someone whose sister bought a car from one of the Duggar car lots a few years ago. He said she said it was a complete piece of junk and they never returned her calls. LOLOL 

[Rabbittron]

Does anyone want to bet he already has a burner phone?

[Oldernowiser]

10 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

The Sun story did give me a chuckle.  We all know that the main focus of the Biden administration is punishing Josh Duggar.  🙄😂

Yes. Because there’s absolutely nothing else going on these days. 🙄

[BitterApple]

From Reddit:

An attorney weighs in on why the Judge granted bail. It's a good read and clears up a lot of confusion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/n67zhd/in_defense_of_the_judges_decision_to_release_sp/

[farmgal4]

56 minutes ago, louannems said:

Assuming Josh is going to jail for years, and assuming Anna will never leave him, would she qualify for some sort of monthly welfare money?  And food stamps?

Yes

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Rabbittron said:

Does anyone want to bet he already has a burner phone?

This is Josh's court ordered phone. (but you're right, he may already have a burner)

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, Rabbittron said:

Does anyone want to bet he already has a burner phone?

Okay here’s one for all of the smart people here...wouldn’t a new phone suddenly pinging out of the Reber house show up somewhere somehow?

[emmawoodhouse]

6 minutes ago, Zella said:

I know someone whose sister bought a car from one of the Duggar car lots a few years ago. He said she said it was a complete piece of junk and they never returned her calls. LOLOL 

Would one expect anything less from Duggars? 😂

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Would one expect anything less from Duggars? 😂

I don't remember how we got on the topic of the Duggars--he is not from here but the whole family relocated here--and he was like "Those assholes sold my sister a lemon!" And I had to restrain myself from blurting out, "Why was she dumb enough to buy a car from them to begin with?" LOL 

The funniest part to me was she was actually a fan of the show before that happened. I guess it cured her. 

[Rabbittron]

3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Okay here’s one for all of the smart people here...wouldn’t a new phone suddenly pinging out of the Reber house show up somewhere somehow?

If it did happen then it wouldn't surprise me if they claimed that one of the piano students had it.

[doodlebug]

28 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

We have a case out by us of a Catholic school teacher (and local weather personality) who was caught on camera soliciting a minor, grooming.... well his wife filed for divorce as soon as the news came out last week. 

I'd imagine that that would be the usual response of a regular person to this sort of thing.  Anna is not a regular person though.  She's had a very isolated upbringing and has been told since birth that she is subservient to men, first her father and then her husband.

It's sort of like Stockholm syndrome, she's been a hostage so long, she doesn't realize who the bad guys really are.

Maybe those who want to discuss other instances of abuse as part of the ongoing discussion of Josh could spoiler tag it?  That way, people who'd rather not read it won't need to see it.

Edited May 6, 2021 by doodlebug

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

If it did happen then it wouldn't surprise me if they claimed that one of the piano students had it.

But the piano students aren't allowed in the house now. 

[Gigi43]

9 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

This is Josh's court ordered phone. (but you're right, he may already have a burner)

 

I miss flip phones. Flipping it down is the closest we'll come to replicating slamming the wired phone down. 

 

On topic, I think Josh has to have a second cell phone. It's common for people hiding activity whether it be illegal or just immoral like cheating. Also I don't believe he's gone since Nov 2019 without internet. 

[doodlebug]

4 minutes ago, Canadian Girl said:

I'm not American so explain this to me. Why does Homeland Security investigate CP? Isn't "Homeland Security" about like, securing the american borders from terrorism threats?

Homeland Security is also involved in cyber security.  Since Josh downloaded illegal images from the internet, it fell under their jurisdiction to investigate.

[Tikichick]

57 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

Where I live, we have a center dedicated to suspected CSA cases. The environment is comfortable and child friendly. The center is staffed by police officers, social workers, and SART nurses who have special training in CSA interview and examination. The children can have a trusted adult present during all phases of the process, but it can’t be an adult who is suspected of committing or being complicit in the abuse, and the adult isn’t allowed to comment on anything related to the suspected abuse. I believe a lot more jurisdictions are opening these centers, but I don’t know if Fayetteville has one.

Very similar here, although the facilities are independent with trained staff.   They also get involved in cases of child physical abuse occasionally.  A detective on a case might listen or remotely observe an interview, and occasionally a prosecutor may do the same, but they are allowed no input into the process whatsoever.   No one but the child and the interviewer are allowed in the interview room.  Family does not listen or observe.

Anything requiring a physical examination of a victim is conducted by a SANE nurse, unsure where they are conducted.   This applies purely to investigation, not regarding children who are in need of medical treatment.   Obviously medical treatment would take priority where needed.

[doodlebug]

5 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

Very similar here, although the facilities are independent with trained staff.   They also get involved in cases of child physical abuse occasionally.  A detective on a case might listen or remotely observe an interview, and occasionally a prosecutor may do the same, but they are allowed no input into the process whatsoever.   No one but the child and the interviewer are allowed in the interview room.  Family does not listen or observe.

Anything requiring a physical examination of a victim is conducted by a SANE nurse, unsure where they are conducted.   This applies purely to investigation, not regarding children who are in need of medical treatment.   Obviously medical treatment would take priority where needed.

I've helped train SANE nurses for years.  Most of them would be conducting their exams in the ER.  Of course, that is probably because the kid or adult turned up in the ER after the assault.  Since they are trained in the medical part of a pelvic exam (what I teach them) as well as collecting forensics for law enforcement purposes. they usually need access to swabs and labs and such; so I think the ER is their preferred location.  

Alas, there are also instances where they encounter significant injuries and need a medical consultation and sometimes a surgeon in a hurry which also is easier in the ER,

Edited May 6, 2021 by doodlebug

[WinnieWinkle]

32 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Yes. Because there’s absolutely nothing else going on these days. 🙄

I think the story is nonsense - the kind of thing that will eventually end up on an urban legends page - but honestly the Duggars probably do not think there is anything going on in this world that is more important than they are.

[SunnyBeBe]

I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

[Heathen]

2 hours ago, Boston said:

God help those that don't believe in God.. DIRTBAGS

There are plenty of people on this forum who don't believe in any gods, and we are not dirtbags. 

[JoanArc]

2 minutes ago, Heathen said:

There are plenty of people on this forum who don't believe in any gods, and we are not dirtbags. 

 

[Oldernowiser]

4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

Just my opinion, but that guy is better looking than Derrick and that doesn’t look like Izzy or the back of Jill’s head.

And, of all the adjacents, Derrick is the one least likely to show up for anything Josh or JB related.

[Spazamanaz]

I have a question... what is the difference between receiving and possessing? I know you have to receive something in order to possess it, but why are they considered different charges? Or did I just answer my own question? Is it to help stack up charges against a person? 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

Just my opinion, but that guy is better looking than Derrick and that doesn’t look like Izzy or the back of Jill’s head.

And, of all the adjacents, Derrick is the one least likely to show up for anything Josh or JB related.

The poor family, caught on camera in front of a jail. I hope they're not there for something they wanted kept quiet.

[Jeanne222]

4 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

When women leave the big X factor is family support. Not just financial support (although that helps), but the abuser has usually isolated the woman (or man) to such an extent that family often needs to do things like help the abuse victim open a bank account, a credit card in her name, a burner cell phone, a lease to a car, willingness to house her pets (abusers often threaten the lives of pets), a divorce lawyer. All of those things need to be put in place before the woman can leave.

I'm not sure if the Kellers will support Anna in any of this.

Wasn’t Anna’s brother the one that tried so hard to get her away from Josh back in Washington?  She wouldn’t leave him. 
 

BTW is there any bail set on Josh or is he just free with stipulations?

[Jeanne222]

I just watched Josh leaving court in a chauffeur driven limousine. Maybe he is a prince!

They should have let him walk to the house!!!

[crazy8s]

for a little humor tonight - I noted in the release from jail video Josh seemed to be wearing his "dress shoes" from Jed's wedding.

[Rabbittron]

42 minutes ago, Zella said:

But the piano students aren't allowed in the house now. 

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

[Heathen]

22 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

That guy in the suit jacket makes Smuggar look svelte. Maybe Smugs can borrow some clothes from him for court. 

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, JennyMominFL said:

Arkansas? i am sure the Clintons did it.

Fun fact, Michelle and Hillary Clinton both won the same young mother of the year award.

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by JoanArc

[CSunshine76]

3 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

This woman would no longer have my business if my child were taking lessons and I knew that perv was in the house!

[Tikichick]

47 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

May I ask what it is that you do? You seem to know a lot about trials, evidence and such. I'm just curious now that you mention you would have difficulty sitting as a juror on a murder trial.

You're curious because I mention I would have difficulty sitting as a juror on a murder trial?  I'm squeamish about medical and gory things, don't even look if I'm watching a medical TV program if they do an OR scene or something like that.   I couldn't look at the evidence required to make the decision.   I wouldn't like to have to sit as a juror on a murder trial, but I could do it if there was nothing gory.

I would have thought that the fact I have specifically never shared what I do to be more likely to raise curiosity.  I purposely don't share what I do because I am in what has been a unique position where I work, opening up the door to my being identified on the internet, which I don't think is a good idea for anybody.   I work in a position that requires a bit of interviewing; gathering reports of experts & reviewing; and some of what is called investigating, which I hate using that term because it's misleading and I don't know what else to call it because it's nothing like when police are investigating.   I then report back to judges or referees on ongoing cases, try to answer their questions and look into whatever they might ask me to.   There are people here who also serve some of these same functions, but so far I am the first where the functions are combined, something I have heard may change after we return post Covid.   I started here in a different position after being a stay at home mom for a few years and kind of backed into this when things morphed due to budget cuts in the crash not long after.  

[WinnieWinkle]

6 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

I had read that the piano lessons were going to be "relocated".  I had taken that to mean not held in the Reber's house.  

[mittsigirl]

55 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

Could we maybe not do this? I think we all know child abuse happens, but I for one don’t come to this board to read graphic details of specific cases. The purpose of the board is to discuss the Duggars, not random child abuse cases we’ve encountered. 
 

Those blind items are rarely, if ever, accurate. I can’t imagine what any of Josh’s brothers in law could have done to make them so attractive to the feds that they’d be willing to cut a deal with Josh in order to get them. 

Sorry to offend you. It's deleted now, I will not post anything here again.

[Teriacky]

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

[WinnieWinkle]

Just now, Teriacky said:

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

I wonder if bookies are taking bets on this?  If this were happening in England they sure would be!  

[Lady Whistleup]

1 minute ago, Jeanne222 said:

Wasn’t Anna’s brother the one that tried so hard to get her away from Josh back in Washington?  She wouldn’t leave him. 
 

BTW is there any bail set on Josh or is he just free with stipulations?

It usually takes 7 tries to leave. What often happens is family gets discouraged after one or two tries. But the situation now is much graver than 2015. 

I'm really afraid the jury is going to still view the Duggars as a prestigious family and be cowed by that.

[Gweilo]

8 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

3. I have no sympathy for the Reaver (Reavers?) either.  Maybe they are trying to be good Christians, but it sounds like some arrogance at play to me.  You alone think you’re capable of managing and monitoring someone capable of these atrocities huh?  Because you’re so much closer to God? Good luck with that! People may follow certain religious beliefs with good intentions in the beginning, but extremist beliefs, in any religion, are about nothing more than wanting to feel special and superior. You want to believe you are right, and closer to God, and therefore better, than everyone else with differing beliefs.  I don’t know this Reaver fellow, but that’s the vibe I’m getting. The fact that he’d put his “Christian duty” and fealty to Jim Bob above his wife and daughter’s comfort and safety tells me all I need to know about him. 

 

The Reaver$ are helping Jim-Bob out of sheer gratitude at the reward$ that their $aviour will give them in the form of $alvation. Jim-Bob will give them many, many, enormou$ thank$.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Gweilo

[Westiepeach]

1 minute ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It usually takes 7 tries to leave. What often happens is family gets discouraged after one or two tries. But the situation now is much graver than 2015. 

I'm really afraid the jury is going to still view the Duggars as a prestigious family and be cowed by that.

Ugh.

[Jeanne222]

5 minutes ago, Teriacky said:

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

I’m still wondering what he’s been up to the last two years!

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, Teriacky said:

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

I agree...just not having internet access until July will make him BSC. He doesn’t have a job, I doubt very much he has any hobby that isn’t illegal or a probation violation, and he’s in some stranger’s house 24/7. 
He’s going to have to sit on their sofa, eat junk food and watch basic cable until his trial.
Actually, he might be much happier.
 

[Oldernowiser]

5 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I'm really afraid the jury is going to still view the Duggars as a prestigious family and be cowed by that.

Or it’ll go the other direction and everyone on the jury will be heartily sick of the Duggars and their arrogance and be happy to watch the mighty fall.

In reality, jurors are chosen to avoid both of these scenarios, at least theoretically.

[Clawdel]

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the gullible couple who will be minding The Sex Pest. 

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The Duggars turned to them for help in particular because of LaCount’s experience within the prison system

There is also a blurb about Covenant Eyes: 

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The court heard there was a program installed on Duggar's computer called 'Covenant Eyes' which aims to 'defeat' porn. 

The Christian-based software monitors questionable online usage and is designed to help with porn addictions.

It had more than 150,000 subscribers and says it is 'designed to help you and those you love live free from pornography', adding: 'Your allies will receive comprehensive reports of your screen activity, lessening the temptation to look at porn.'

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Clawdel
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[Cinnabon]

38 minutes ago, Heathen said:

There are plenty of people on this forum who don't believe in any gods, and we are not dirtbags. 

Thank you.

[Zella]

24 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

But the students are minors, so no, they're not allowed in the house while Josh is there. 

[Churchhoney]

35 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

I have a question... what is the difference between receiving and possessing? I know you have to receive something in order to possess it, but why are they considered different charges? Or did I just answer my own question? Is it to help stack up charges against a person? 

My possibly wrong and definitely amateur idea about this goes this way -- They only really charge you with receiving if they can figure out facts about how and when you received the thing, I think.

If all they know is that it's on your device now, but they can't get any real bead on how it got on there or when, they just charge possessing. 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

But the students are minors, so no, they're not allowed in the house while Josh is there. 

And what mother in their right mind would let their kid within a mile of that home with Josh there?

[Oldernowiser]

7 minutes ago, Clawdel said:

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the gullible couple who will be minding The Sex Pest. 

 

To quote that great 20th century philosopher and poet Mr. T, I pity the fools.