Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Albanyguy]

2 minutes ago, Missy Vixen said:

One has to wonder how they're going to film around J-Chelle, KJB, and Joshley Madison at the wedding.

My guess is that TLC will demand that Josh and Anna not be invited (or at the very least they'll be allowed to sit in a back pew out of camera range and then instructed to leave before the parking lot ice cream social commences).  Jim Bob will protest, but then quickly cave because he wants to stay on TLC's good side (and because he's a big wuss). They'll allow him to be filmed walking Jinger down the aisle, but that'll be it. Any attempts on his part to show off or push his way in  front of the cameras will be edited out of the final program. The same will be true of Michelle; we'll probably just get a quick shot of her sitting in the front of the church. 

[Magoo]

6 hours ago, CarolMK said:

If/when Anna gets pregnant again, how will the show handle it?

My snarky guess is that they will sliiiide the new baby onto the show and hope no one notices. 

[kokapetl]

I think the producers would just sack Anna. 

[riverblue22]

I wouldn't mind if the M kids were shown more, especially that cute Mykenzie.  She's an articulate little kid and certainly more interesting than Josie.  And I bet Mykenzie doesn't climb on or lick the counters.

[Celia Rubenstein]

Did Josh and Anna take that vow to let God decide the size of their family? Well, if they did, they are either just not having sex, they chucked their vow and are using birth control, or god has decided they don't need another kid right now. Because Anna seemed as fertile as a rabbit and I don't understand how she's not pregnant again yet.

My personal theory is #3 - God has decided no child deserves to be dropped into this mess right now.  

Good call, God. Good call. 

[CofCinci]

6 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Did Josh and Anna take that vow to let God decide the size of their family? Well, if they did, they are either just not having sex, they chucked their vow and are using birth control, or god has decided they don't need another kid right now. Because Anna seemed as fertile as a rabbit and I don't understand how she's not pregnant again yet.

My personal theory is #3 - God has decided no child deserves to be dropped into this mess right now.  

Good call, God. Good call. 

Or #4 - more anal. 

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Did Josh and Anna take that vow to let God decide the size of their family? Well, if they did, they are either just not having sex, they chucked their vow and are using birth control, or god has decided they don't need another kid right now. Because Anna seemed as fertile as a rabbit and I don't understand how she's not pregnant again yet.

I think Josh has shown that vows before man or God don't mean much if anything to him.  However, all of their children are in the range of nearly or two years apart.  It's only now about time for Anna to get pregnant soon if things were "normal" for them. 

[BetyBee]

It would be awfully hard to be "joyfully available" to that creep.  Poor Anna.  

[Arwen Evenstar]

23 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

It would be awfully hard to be "joyfully available" to that creep.  Poor Anna.  

There's not enough alcohol in the world to make a woman joyfully available for Smuggar. 

[JoanArc]

4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Or #4 - more anal. 

Or #5 - Oral. Pretty sure Josh learned all the tricks.

[lookeyloo]

I just can't see Anna agreeing to or enduring #4 or #5.  No potential blessings from them.

[kokapetl]

Perhaps Jimbob bought them twin beds, for Anna's sake. 

[Tabbygirl521]

We don't actually know that she isn't pregnant, right? I know it would be odd for them not to announce it, but this is uncharted territory, to say the least. 

Why do people in unpleasant life circumstances agree to bare it all in TV?? Ugh, sorry for the choice of words. But really. WTH. It is weird enough for most reality show people but when the whole world is watching a humiliating struggle - ugh. 

[Rabbittron]

Let's assume she is pregnant.  The reason why no announcement is that she knows we really hate Smuggar and she is afraid of reading our comments about her being knocked up.

[Arwen Evenstar]

27 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Let's assume she is pregnant.  The reason why no announcement is that she knows we really hate Smuggar and she is afraid of reading our comments about her being knocked up.

As odious as Smuggar is, his kids are really cute. Though under these circumstances, I'm hoping there aren't any more M&Ms. Just feel sorry for those kids once they find out what a perv and a skeeve their father is. 

Probably very unlikely they will ever see the inside of a brick and mortar school, which in their case, is just as well, since their father's reputation will likely follow them wherever they go. Keeping Josh out of the media UNLESS he writes a tell all book and brings down The House of Boob will be the only way he can redeem himself and his adorable Smuggarlings. 

[GeeGolly]

49 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

As odious as Smuggar is, his kids are really cute. Though under these circumstances, I'm hoping there aren't any more M&Ms. Just feel sorry for those kids once they find out what a perv and a skeeve their father is. 

Probably very unlikely they will ever see the inside of a brick and mortar school, which in their case, is just as well, since their father's reputation will likely follow them wherever they go. Keeping Josh out of the media UNLESS he writes a tell all book and brings down The House of Boob will be the only way he can redeem himself and his adorable Smuggarlings. 

I feel bad for his kids too. I wonder how much they'll be shunned at the homeschool conventions and the like.

I was just reading an article about a Canadian woman who finish her 12 year prison sentence for murder about 10 years ago, and is now living in the same town with her 3 kids. Parents are saying they don't want their kids hanging, out of school, with her kids. Murder is different, but memories are lasting and the internet is forever.

[NewDigs]

And the poor little Ms, and Anna, will also have to live with, Why didn't she leave that creep?

Sad.

[Lady Edith]

39 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

And the poor little Ms, and Anna, will also have to live with, Why didn't she leave that creep?

Sad.

All is not said and done.  She is trying to save their M but honestly, I don't think it's entirely salvageable.  He has not undergone treatment, he went away to pray it away.  And to be quite honest, I don't see any lasting changes being made unless he gets REAL HELP.  Heavy labor and prayer won't take care of what's going on inside his mind, IMHO.  

[Vaysh]

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Parents are saying they don't want their kids hanging, out of school, with her kids.

That's some messed up logic. I could see why parents wouldn't want their kids hanging around her, but why should her kids be pariahs, they didn't do anything.

[drafan]

1 hour ago, NewDigs said:

And the poor little Ms, and Anna, will also have to live with, Why didn't she leave that creep?

Sad.

....because she is stupid and brainwashed. She had her chance to get out of there. She will have more little M-kids.....remember, she had "baby fever" right after giving birth to one of them..... maybe the second?  Sadly, I predict many, many more. She's that dumb.

[Rabbittron]

We have to remember that in Gothard land it was Anna's fault for Smuggargate 2.0.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Rabbittron
Can't spell wih a cat on my tablet.

[NewDigs]

Anna.

The "victim".

[Arwen Evenstar]

15 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

We have to remember that in Gothard land it was Anna's fault for Smuggargate 2.0.

The way this church treats women makes me physically ill as well as stabby! You would think since our wombs are the vessels that carry the blessings that we'd receive some sort of veneration...sorry...wrong church...

[Missy Vixen]

10 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Or #5 - Oral. Pretty sure Josh learned all the tricks.

She's giving. He's declining to.

And yeah, I said it.

[Arwen Evenstar]

10 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Or #5 - Oral. Pretty sure Josh learned all the tricks.

 

23 minutes ago, Missy Vixen said:

She's giving. He's declining to.

And yeah, I said it.

I wondered about the same thing.  It would be too much to ask that there be any sexual pleasure in it for Anna. Vile, vile Smuggar.

[lulu69]

2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

 

I wondered about the same thing.  It would be too much to ask that there be any sexual pleasure in it for Anna. Vile, vile Smuggar.

Her pleasure comes when she gets to birth another soldier in God's army

[Churchhoney]

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15 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

We don't actually know that she isn't pregnant, right? I know it would be odd for them not to announce it, but this is uncharted territory, to say the least. 

Why do people in unpleasant life circumstances agree to bare it all in TV?? Ugh, sorry for the choice of words. But really. WTH. It is weird enough for most reality show people but when the whole world is watching a humiliating struggle - ugh. 

In the words of the perceptive O'Jays --

For the love of money
People will steal from their mother
For the love of money
People will rob their own brother
For the love of money
People can't even walk the street
Because they never know
Who in the world they're gonna beat
For that lean, mean, mean green
Almighty dollar, money

For the love of money
People will lie, Lord, they will cheat
For the love of money
People don't care who they hurt or beat
For the love of money
A woman will sell her precious body
For a small piece of paper
It carries a lot of weight
Call it lean, mean, mean green

Almighty dollar

I know money is the root of all evil
Do funny things to some people
Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds
 

[Lemur]

On 9/4/2016 at 11:13 PM, Arwen Evenstar said:

 

I wondered about the same thing.  It would be too much to ask that there be any sexual pleasure in it for Anna. Vile, vile Smuggar.

Allegedly, it's not all about procreation though it is the majority of it.  If will recall, JB gave Josh a manual by a certain Dr. Wheat and wife on his wedding day.  I believe, though I may be incorrect, that it was this:

https://www.amazon.com/Intended-Pleasure-Technique-Fulfillment-Christian-ebook/dp/B0080K3LQM/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1473169989&sr=1-4#nav-subnav

Edited September 6, 2016 by Lemur
I'm at work, so any further research into this may well send me to HR.

[Arwen Evenstar]

I think that book was more for Anna than Josh, though at the time JB had to make it look like Josh knew nothing. I guess JB regarded the book as "porn" for unmarrieds, so it gets shoved under their nose right before the wedding.  IIRC, they were having to watch an instructional vid while they were being driven to their motel room. No doubt it was all over with in 30 seconds or less.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[Sew Sumi]

2 hours ago, Lemur said:

Allegedly, it's not all about procreation though it is the majority of it.  If will recall, JB gave Josh a manual by a certain Dr. Wheat and wife on his wedding day.  I believe, though I may be incorrect, that it was this:

https://www.amazon.com/Intended-Pleasure-Technique-Fulfillment-Christian-ebook/dp/B0080K3LQM/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1473169989&sr=1-4#nav-subnav

Yes, that's their sex manual. However, its drawing of female anatomy is missing the most crucial element for female pleasure. 

Gotta love the patriarchy.

[Arwen Evenstar]

You just can't help wanting to smack your head.

[NewDigs]

Did they offer the same "guidance" to Jill and Jessa?

How embarrassing. And sad.

I wonder if they know that they're supposed to experience pleasure.

Nah. (Gotta lay off the beer.)

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, NewDigs said:

Did they offer the same "guidance" to Jill and Jessa?

How embarrassing. And sad.

I wonder if they know that they're supposed to experience pleasure.

Nah. (Gotta lay off the beer.)

Michelle's advice to Jessa. Don't worry. Sex doesn't take long.

[Aja]

Lie back and think of Arkansas.

[Lemur]

14 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Michelle's advice to Jessa. Don't worry. Sex doesn't take long.

"You'll hardly feel it after the fifth pregnancy."

I'll see myself out ...

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, Aja said:

Lie back and think of Arkansas.

Lie back and think of Bill Gothard.

That ought to kill off any faint hints of the potential of something vaguely pleasurable about the act that might still lurk in any of the women. (while reminding them of their sacred duty, of course)

Edited September 7, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Tabbygirl521]

44 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Lie back and think of Bill Gothard.

That ought to kill off any faint hints of the potential of something vaguely pleasurable about the act that might still lurk in any of the women. (while reminding them of their sacred duty, of course)

**retch**

[DXD526]

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Yes, that's their sex manual. However, its drawing of female anatomy is missing the most crucial element for female pleasure. 

You must remember, for fundies, female sexuality isn't really a "thing". There's only one model of sexuality available if you're female: a married woman, having sex with her husband, the manner and frequency of which to be determined by said husband. And no birth control, 'cause gawd. That's it for females in fundyland. That's all they have to look forward to. And that's what's been taught to people like Anna, who very likely never even thought about sexual pleasure, only the pleasure of doing 'wifely duty' and popping out warriors for gawd's army. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

7 hours ago, DXD526 said:

You must remember, for fundies, female sexuality isn't really a "thing". There's only one model of sexuality available if you're female: a married woman, having sex with her husband, the manner and frequency of which to be determined by said husband. And no birth control, 'cause gawd. That's it for females in fundyland. That's all they have to look forward to. And that's what's been taught to people like Anna, who very likely never even thought about sexual pleasure, only the pleasure of doing 'wifely duty' and popping out warriors for gawd's army. 

It may not be a "thing", per se, but they do still have some active hormones and lots of built up frustration...They do seem to look forward very much to finally be able to do something about it, even if they have only the barest idea of the actual mechanisms involved. If they do have genuine chemistry, I'm sure they will find it pleasurable even without the advanced techniques. Hopefully some of those will come in time. I can't imagine that it would boil down to nothing more than a "wifely duty" quite so fast...at least not until after the first few kids come along.

[Malvina]

[fuzzylollipop]

That poor child is the spitting image of Josh!

[BitterApple]

I think Spurge is going to be Mikey's twin as he gets older. They both look like a blend of Josh and Boob. I still see a lot of Keller in Marcus, although I think he's going to lean towards his Duggar side as he ages.

Edited September 9, 2016 by BitterApple

[ginger90]

Did they forget the grandchildren's names??

[Absolom]

Marcus looks Keller through and through to me in that photo.  There's a lot of Josh in Michael in his looks.

[drafan]

Hope the little Ms aren't getting duded up for the filming of their parent's "vow renewal". Gag.

((And who wrote the caption ??? JB , natch . "Strapping " ? Told ya he's been watching reruns of The Andy Griffith Show. And of course, "strapping" would only apply to boys.))

Edited September 9, 2016 by drafan

[Celia Rubenstein]

I think the older one looks a lot like Anna, but he got Josh's nose (thank goodness).

[GeeGolly]

Wedding attire?

[Malvina]

[awaken]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Wedding attire?

Hmmm, now I'm wondering why those strapping grandsons were all dressed up!  I'm sure we will see it on an episode not too far in the future.

1 minute ago, Malvina said:

Kind of funny to me that they're playing cards, since when I was growing up fundie, cards were always taboo as that looks too similar to gambling!  Yet in our sect, conservative as it was, girls and women actually wore shorts and bathing suits when appropriate, had jobs, went to college, pursued hobbies, etc.  Just funny to me how certain sects pick and choose what is of the devil and what's not.  I'm guessing that years ago, cards would not have been ok in the Duggar house and they've loosened their stance.

[GeeGolly]

The pic of Josie: first she is playing with boys, and second, she is playing with the younger kids. Hmmm.