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becca3891

She says no, or maybe her husband posted it right after everything went down. I still think it may have been her. She sometimes seems rather aggressive with Smugs like the cake in his at the wedding.

I really don't think so. The police document definitely said it was a family friend, and that lines up perfectly with the Holt rumors. The Duggars have always been careful to keep Amy at a distance, and that I'm sure includes avoiding ever having her sleep over. The irony about that is that they probably considered HER the defrauding threat -- that being an evil, modern young woman, she would try to defraud her innocent cousins.

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Also, I would imagine that even when they were children, Josh was probably a little intimidated by Amy. She wasn't being "trained up" to be "sweet" and deferential to boys/men. Predators (including teenage ones) choose victims who seem vulnerable and unlikely to get them in trouble. If Josh tried anything with Amy, she'd probably have knocked his block off.

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Lemur

Lemur

Just saw an article - "No Anonymity for Plaintiffs Suing Ashley Madison Over Hack, Judge Rules" - that says "Plaintiffs suing Ashley Madison, a popular online dating service, over a computer hacking attack that stole the personal data of millions of users will have to be publicly identified to proceed with the case, a federal judge ruled."

 

I wonder if Josh (and Jim Boob) have been thinking about suing Ashley Madison to at least get some money out of the whole debacle. And if so, will they still sue, since Josh's name will be made public if he does?

 

I have zero doubt in my mind that they are going to sue the ever loving crap out of AM.  I would love to read their argument regarding "lost earnings" considering how badly damaged Josh's reputation was at that point.

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sometimesy

sometimesy

Do you suppose JB forced the Jessa show (Jill who?) to include Anna, so they could get some income? She just sort of pops up every so often to look forlorn about walking through crap, or pushing the marriage-baby agenda. Or worse, would JB be able to convince these idiots to let him handle all the money through some lame account/business/company he set up (they can set up their own accounts but I'm sure they don't think beyond what JB says), and then distribute the funds to support Josh and Anna? 


I have zero doubt in my mind that they are going to sue the ever loving crap out of AM.  I would love to read their argument regarding "lost earnings" considering how badly damaged Josh's reputation was at that point.

Everything would be in the news again..every molestation story rehashed..every single thing about the Gothard cult..the microscope would be enhanced again... dam right they sue! There is no such thing as bad publicity, Counting on season XXX :)

3girlsforus

3girlsforus

Do you suppose JB forced the Jessa show (Jill who?) to include Anna, so they could get some income? She just sort of pops up every so often to look forlorn about walking through crap, or pushing the marriage-baby agenda. Or worse, would JB be able to convince these idiots to let him handle all the money through some lame account/business/company he set up (they can set up their own accounts but I'm sure they don't think beyond what JB says), and then distribute the funds to support Josh and Anna? 

 

Yes to all of this. If JB can figure out a way to control and profit, he will do it. Anna is completely at his mercy and I'm sure he descended upon her with all kinds of "ways he could help" when Josh was sent away. She was vulnerable and in shock so I'm sure he took advantage of that to secure his control even more.

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yogi2014L

yogi2014L

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Yes to all of this. If JB can figure out a way to control and profit, he will do it. Anna is completely at his mercy and I'm sure he descended upon her with all kinds of "ways he could help" when Josh was sent away. She was vulnerable and in shock so I'm sure he took advantage of that to secure his control even more.

Yup I am sure Boob is forcing/coercing/heavily suggesting Anna does the show. I think she has been.   He has to know that a lot of viewers tune into see her. 

 

And in regards to the lawsuit for AM...How is AM responsible for the hack? I don't know anything about lawsuits but I feel like getting exposed as a cheater on AM falls under ' play stupid games win stupid prizes' Unless there was personal info stolen like credit cards numbers ect? I can't remember if that happened. What could they actually sue for? I dont think lost earning would apply because Josh ruined his own reputation, he signed himself up!

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BitterApple

BitterApple

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I don't know anything about lawsuits but I feel like getting exposed as a cheater on AM falls under ' play stupid games win stupid prizes'

That's how I look at it. I'm not shedding any tears because a bunch of people who deliberately hurt and disrespected their spouses got caught and publicly exposed.

Smuggar is an absolute fool if he considers legal action. His rep is so far down the gutter I can't imagine he'd want to bring about further scrutiny. Especially if there are other skeletons in the closet waiting to come tumbling out.

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Wellfleet

Wellfleet

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That's how I look at it. I'm not shedding any tears because a bunch of people who deliberately hurt and disrespected their spouses got caught and publicly exposed.

Smuggar is an absolute fool if he considers any legal action against the site. His rep is already so far down in the gutter I can't imagine he'd want to bring about any further scrutiny. Especially if there are other skeletons in the closet waiting to come tumbling out.

 

Well, considering the fact that we already known Josh is a giant fool, it seems like a foregone conclusion he could sue, or at least try. Grifters - especially really-skilled ones like Boob - are the best there is when it comes to figuring out ways to get $$ - or things - without actually doing any work. He'll be thinking "Well, the worst that can happen is that we get a No..." But if there's any kind of a chance, you know he'll take it - idiot that he is...

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BitterApple

BitterApple

Well, considering the fact that we already known Josh is a giant fool, it seems like a foregone conclusion he could sue, or at least try. Grifters - especially really-skilled ones like Boob - are the best there is when it comes to figuring out ways to get $$ - or things - without actually doing any work. He'll be thinking "Well, the worst that can happen is that we get a No..." But if there's any kind of a chance, you know he'll take it - idiot that he is...

That's true. Duggar logic doesn't exactly follow the guidelines of propriety and common sense. It just grinds my gears to think of that pudgy little weasel getting any sort of settlement out of this.

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yogi2014L

yogi2014L

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On 4/25/2016 at 3:43 PM, JoanArc said:

so...JB is sneaky sneaky slipping Anna into episodes...making us more interested in her...keeping her on our radar, but not too much.

I agree with those that say Anna is the only real draw for the new show. She's the living embodiment of 'trainwreck'.

Watching her on counting on makes me sad for her kids...Shes tanner, thinner, heavily made up and to me seems a little unhinged...I feel so sorry for her, so much pity. Those of us with life experience know that Josh is a lost cause. She thinks she just needs to change for him to be faithful. Its not your fault Anna!

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

23 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

Is Josh the only story line than can save the show? If he reappears, I hope he keeps all the money for himself and Anna so she has something to go after if they split. He owes Boob nothing. 

Joshley Madison won't be giving Anna one red cent if she leaves. He needs to fund his "porn and exotic dancers" lifestyle.

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MamaMax

MamaMax

On 4/24/2016 at 9:02 PM, Arwen Evenstar said:

Ironic how Josh chose the letter M as his theme for naming his kids and how two words that brought him down "molestation" and "Madison" also begin with M.

It must really suck to be Josh right now....if he reads half of what people are saying about him, he must be mortified. When I read about the latest scandal, I wasn't sure if there was a sixth victim or if they were rehashing #5. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of more victims though.

One thing that troubles me is that I'm wondering if Josh's shaming and poor public perception would have been as extensive and hostile had the Duggars been less sanctimonious. For me personally anyway, most of my disgust is with the insidious teachings of this cult and the way women and victims are collectively treated, rather than his transgressions.

That said, I'm not defending him in any way. Sister groping and porn addiction and predatory behavior are behaviors that are antisocial at best and are not regarded by anyone with any sense as normal behavior. The cult they belong to sweeps it under the rug, stressing forgiveness over prosecution., and blames the victim for the males' failings. The perps don't often receive any real psychological help. Send your son to ALERT if you catch him masturbating...but give him a pass for molesting his sisters after he's "cured" by hard labor...and Jeebus jail Lock the girls in their room, blame them for defrauding their brother....play law enforcement past the statute of limitations....

Just seems this cult is so repressive that it only perpetuates this sort of behavior by discouraging any sniff of what we all regard as normal developmental behavior and natural curiosity about bodies that those who have had a normal, healthy upbringing take for granted. People who post on some of the articles regarding the Duggars seem to have far more hostility towards the cult and Bbob and Michelle than towards Josh.

I have posted this link before, but I think it's appropriate here again, for those who didn't see it. http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-duggars-how-fundamentalisms.html

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Minivanessa

Minivanessa

23 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Maybe Smugs and Anna should name the inevitable M5 Mystery. Because it's a mystery why she hasn't left his ass.

Sadly, it's no mystery to me. Anna's been thoroughly indoctrinated - for most if not all of her life - with those Christian Patriarchy fundamentalist teachings. She really is all about being a wife and popping out babies, although she appears to be more interested in actually being a mother to her loinfruit than Michelle is. Anna landed one of the fundie royalty when she got JoshUa, and it came with a level of income and creature comforts that is rare for young families following the Quiverfull/Gothardite/etc. Christian patriarchial/fundie belief system. 

It would surprise me if she ever did leave Josh.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

18 hours ago, auntl said:

Every time they show Anna or her children, I get sad. What is going to happen to them? I don't think that Josh will ever be "cured". He has some real deep rooted problems going on and their belief system will not allow him to get real treatment. On top of it, she has some kind of compulsion to keep having more and more children. The whole thing seems sick and hopeless to me. Poor little kids.

The dynamics of that relationship are horrible. A bored, dissatisfied husband who wants to live a playboy lifestyle and a wife who thinks an endless stream of babies will make him settle down. Talk about a recipe for complete and utter misery.

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Marigold

Marigold

Is it just me or has Anna gained weight back since her initial interviews where she was noticeably thin.  I looked at her on the episode where the girls go to Branson and she appeared to be back up to a more "normal" weright for her.

Anna looks fine either way...no shaming!    I was just wondering if  1) I'm crazy  or 2) She is pregnant

88Keys

88Keys

On April 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Aja said:

I think the way AM was 'in the wrong' is that they did not delete personal account details and information after memberships were cancelled, like they say they do. *shrug*

AM was a website that promised users total privacy and security.  Not only did they not delete members' personal info after they closed their accounts, AM held onto their credit card numbers, too.  And not in a secure, off the internet server.   I don't want to sound like I'm defending the people who use AM, but they may have a case here.  

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yogi2014L

yogi2014L

On 4/30/2016 at 4:04 AM, 88Keys said:

AM was a website that promised users total privacy and security.  Not only did they not delete members' personal info after they closed their accounts, AM held onto their credit card numbers, too.  And not in a secure, off the internet server.   I don't want to sound like I'm defending the people who use AM, but they may have a case here.  

Thank you for the explanation!

Also we have a Smuggar sighting http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-jim-bob-duggar-photo-101001

Apparently they allowed someone to take a picture. Seriously, If I was Josh I would live under a rock and never resurface in the South. Maybe live in the mountains of Appalachia in an area with no internet. I would be too embarrassed to leave my house --never mind go mini golfing int he bible belt then allow a photographer to take my picture?? 

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Mollie

Mollie

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5 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Thank you for the explanation!

Also we have a Smuggar sighting http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-jim-bob-duggar-photo-101001

Apparently they allowed someone to take a picture. Seriously, If I was Josh I would live under a rock and never resurface in the South. Maybe live in the mountains of Appalachia in an area with no internet. I would be too embarrassed to leave my house --never mind go mini golfing int he bible belt then allow a photographer to take my picture?? 

WOW!  From that article:

“Three families with young girls were unhappy Josh was so close to them and left the golf course when they saw him and Jim Bob,” the eyewitness explains.

“The parents were not comfortable,” adds the eyewitness. “The staff tried to be as polite as possible to the angry parents, but it seemed there was little they could do to stop Josh from being a customer.”

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Speculating Josh may molest children again.
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kokapetl

kokapetl

6 hours ago, Mollie said:

WOW!  From that article:

“Three families with young girls were unhappy Josh was so close to them and left the golf course when they saw him and Jim Bob,” the eyewitness explains.

“The parents were not comfortable,” adds the eyewitness. “The staff tried to be as polite as possible to the angry parents, but it seemed there was little they could do to stop Josh from being a customer.”

Attention mini golf patrons: calm down and get a grip. Josh has zero known history of abducting children and having his way with them behind the mini windmill. You were as safe as if he wasn't there. And if you just don't like the guy and want to put the screws in, be realistic, he can't actually live the rest of life his shackled up in a shed. 

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kokapetl

kokapetl

8 minutes ago, Oh Margeaux said:

The Duggars would've been in a much better position had they EVER come clean (instead of covering up) about what had gone on in their own household, INSTEAD of constantly claiming moral superiority for their 'very conservative family values'.  If, instead of minimizing it later, claiming 'it wasn't rape or anything like that, it was JUST over the clothes, and while the girls were sleeping, and it and worse happens a lot in other families'.  If they had acknowledged how HEINOUS their son's behavior has been. If they had gotten their son REAL counseling for his emerging problem.

They failed epically on all possible levels, so will have now have to live with the disdain and absolute mistrust of the rest of us.  

They, who so proudly and self righteously sequestered themselves away from the real world and its'sinners', to the exclusion of even public schooling, are now the very people the rest of us now feel are unsafe.

The rest of us have far more reason now to expect the Duggars to lie, cover up, discount, and merely attempt to pray away their own very real family dysfunction - is it any wonder people now feel uneasy in the presence of such ignorant, self righteous cultists?

Perversely, coming clean to the cops (who documented it all) ultimately ruined their empire. 

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JoanArc

JoanArc

1 hour ago, ingenting said:

Attention mini golf patrons: calm down and get a grip. Josh has zero known history of abducting children and having his way with them behind the mini windmill. You were as safe as if he wasn't there. And if you just don't like the guy and want to put the screws in, be realistic, he can't actually live the rest of life his shackled up in a shed. 

You have no idea what an untreated, uneducated, man with all kind of self control and superiority issues, who is likely white-knuckling a 'recovery' is capable of. No one does. That said I doubt anything would've happened, but most parents are smarter than Jim Knob and Michelle - they get their kids away from a known molestor. Honestly I'd be more afraid 5 or 10 years from now, when everyone's not monitoring his every blink.

 

I'd like to see Josh actually defend himself, instead of a lousy PR release and having his entire family act as proxies.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

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21 hours ago, JoanArc said:

You have no idea what an untreated, uneducated, man with all kind of self control and superiority issues, who is likely white-knuckling a 'recovery' is capable of. No one does. That said I doubt anything would've happened, but most parents are smarter than Jim Knob and Michelle - they get their kids away from a known molestor. Honestly I'd be more afraid 5 or 10 years from now, when everyone's not monitoring his every blink.

 

I'd like to see Josh actually defend himself, instead of a lousy PR release and having his entire family act as proxies.

What is Josh recovering from?

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sometimesy

sometimesy

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JB is a disease. Josh is a symptom. Wipe out JB and maybe Josh never touches his sisters because instead he masturbates in the bathroom with the door shut and a copy of Victoria's Secret - guilt free - because he knows his friends at school are doing the same thing and they'll all laugh about it at baseball practice. 

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

You have no idea what an untreated, uneducated, man with all kind of self control and superiority issues, who is likely white-knuckling a 'recovery' is capable of. No one does. That said I doubt anything would've happened, but most parents are smarter than Jim Knob and Michelle - they get their kids away from a known molestor. Honestly I'd be more afraid 5 or 10 years from now, when everyone's not monitoring his every blink.

 

I'd like to see Josh actually defend himself, instead of a lousy PR release and having his entire family act as proxies.

For that matter, there's no way to know what pretty much anyone outside your circle of reference might be capable of. As you say, 5 or 10 years down the road he might be capable of being a real threat, but for the moment, as long as one remains aware of where their kids are, as they should do anyway, I would think that no one is in any more danger by being in a public place where he also happens to be than they would be from any other random person. Less, if anything, since they will be aware (as the people who removed themselves and their children from the area obviously were) and alert to any suspicious behavior much more than they might be elsewhere. 

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Albanyguy

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I am not sure what Josh is in "Rehab" for. 


 

The official reason was "sex addiction", which to a Duggar means anything outside of procreative coitus with a lawful wife. But in reality, it was just a secure, convenient place to stash the family black sheep while they rode out the storm of bad publicity. 

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babyhouseman

babyhouseman

12 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Thank you for the explanation!

Also we have a Smuggar sighting http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-jim-bob-duggar-photo-101001

Apparently they allowed someone to take a picture. Seriously, If I was Josh I would live under a rock and never resurface in the South. Maybe live in the mountains of Appalachia in an area with no internet. I would be too embarrassed to leave my house --never mind go mini golfing int he bible belt then allow a photographer to take my picture?? 

I have been to that golf course. It's in the middle of a very touristy area so they were going to get recognized for sure. I'll probably go back in the fall. If I see young girls screaming and running away from the golf course, I'll know why. 

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Vaysh

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I wonder if Anna is teaching her wee ones. She used to talk about doing with flash cards, no?

I think we saw Anna working with Kynzie in one episode when Kynzie was pre-school age. Some kind of workbook I think? I remember Mackynzie being a little upset because she wanted it to be perfect and to get all the answers right but she seemed to like the work nevertheless. I think Anna was pretty hands on with Kynzie when it came to home-schooling, at least at first, but who knows how the latest developements have affected the situation. If the Smuggars are living on the compound, Anna might have handed over the teaching of her kids to that Query girl like Michelle did when Jessa vamoosed.

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yogi2014L

yogi2014L

1 hour ago, Vaysh said:

I think we saw Anna working with Kynzie in one episode when Kynzie was pre-school age. Some kind of workbook I think? I remember Mackynzie being a little upset because she wanted it to be perfect and to get all the answers right but she seemed to like the work nevertheless. I think Anna was pretty hands on with Kynzie when it came to home-schooling, at least at first, but who knows how the latest developements have affected the situation. If the Smuggars are living on the compound, Anna might have handed over the teaching of her kids to that Query girl like Michelle did when Jessa vamoosed.

Yeah Im fairly sure the Ms probably had no home schooling over the last year while mommy was having a nervous breakdown . 

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