Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[CofCinci]

I wonder if Anna and the kids would be allowed to go visit her parents if it was what she wanted. Or is she basically in prison.

I'm curious if JB has allowed her any contact with her family.

[JoanArc]

 

I'm curious if JB has allowed her any contact with her family.

We know she talked to her brother.

[MarysWetBar]

Derrick and Jill moving their stuff out of the mansion and Josh and Anna's house sold. I think Anna moving into the mansion and their house being sold so they have zero income when the law suits start pouring in. There will be more coming. .for sure.

[3girlsforus]

Derrick and Jill moving their stuff out of the mansion and Josh and Anna's house sold. I think Anna moving into the mansion and their house being sold so they have zero income when the law suits start pouring in. There will be more coming. .for sure.

 

Have any suits been filed? How does it work when you are suing an adult for something he did as a minor? 

[GeeGolly]

If Anna & the Ms are moving into to the Mcmansion, which seems like a good possibility, wouldn't a male need to live there too? But that male would need an accountability partner. So maybe Jana & JD? Or Joy and the boy twins? So very complicated.

[3girlsforus]

Here's a nightmare thought... what if Jill and Derick are staying in the mansion during the time they are "taking care of things". Anna and the kids move in too so Derick is her guardian. Jill either is already or gets pregnant and dumps Israel on Anna to care for while Jill incubates. Jill's pregnancy would definitely be more of a priority than Anna's well being since Jill is a whole Duggar and Anna just married one.

[Wellfleet]

I'm curious if JB has allowed her any contact with her family.

 

I've wondered this too. If he is trying to limit Anna's contacts with "the outside", first off - how dare he? And secondly - how can he be justifying it? Of course we know what kind of inane blather Boob could come up with - but seriously. Isn't anyone REALLY listening? Anna really has NO ONE in her corner? It's beyond sad...

Edited September 14, 2015 by Wellfleet

[Guest]

If Anna & the Ms are moving into to the Mcmansion, which seems like a good possibility, wouldn't a male need to live there too? But that male would need an accountability partner. So maybe Jana & JD? Or Joy and the boy twins? So very complicated.

 

JD owns a small house literally next door to the McMansion. It's rumored that he has moved out of the Duggar house and lives there now... 

[Joe Jitsu913]

Josh needs to be honest with himself. He clearly wants to be a college educated, womanizing, desirable guy with no responsibilities (like Scott Peterson).

The only thing is...he is none of those things. He's never had the chance to sow his oats because of his controlling parents. If he can't admit to himself that this is the lifestyle he wants, as sleazy as it is; then he will never get help and repeat the same cycle.

He really needs to be upfront with Anna by telling her that he doesn't want the responsibilities of being a Gothardite husband and father. Strippers and porn stars are his preference. I really do hope that he can have this conversation with Anna so that she can begin to heal.

[cmr2014]

Derrick and Jill moving their stuff out of the mansion and Josh and Anna's house sold. I think Anna moving into the mansion and their house being sold so they have zero income when the law suits start pouring in. There will be more coming. .for sure.

 

I think that they sold the house to the Duggar Trust. It's too coincidental that the house was sold for the purchase price + the cost of renovation. JB might have bought the house to prevent it from being seized in the event of a lawsuit, but I also think that it restores control to JB. Josh had hiw own life and his own assets -- and look what happened! He needs to be back under his headship's unbrella pronto -- and no one else is ever going to leave!!!

 

I do think that JB thinks that they can get their show back. Josh will come back repentant and will give his testamony on the healing power of Jesus, Anna will be paraded out in some church to publicly forgive him, Jessa will have her baby, Jilly-Muffin will get pregnant again, there will be a new courtship -- who wouldn't want to watch all that?

 

I'm not a big fan of Josh, but I don't know that he deserves what is coming to him. He's going to be the scapegoat for every single problem that that family has until JB and J'chelle are dead and buried. I think that the older children are going to have plenty of problems as they transition into the Duggar version of adult life, but I think that the younger, feral kids are going to be a real mess. JB and J'chelle will never be forced to take any responsibility for any of it, either. It will all be Josh's fault. "If we just had our television show, and that extra income, Josie wouldn't be working a pole right now!"

[sometimesy]

 

If they sold the house, I hope that Anna is getting Jill's beautiful, spacious house and maybe a J'slave as a live-in helper. 

 

Hell No! I hope this doesn't happen. Anna is the mother of those children. She is responsible for them. The J'slaves need to focus on themselves and what they want and need, not the needs of the group. They will start employing the lost girls. Not fair. Damn cult.

[pennben]

 

I think that they sold the house to the Duggar Trust. It's too coincidental that the house was sold for the purchase price + the cost of renovation. JB might have bought the house to prevent it from being seized in the event of a lawsuit, but I also think that it restores control to JB.

 

If they sold the house and it was in Josh's name, the proceeds of the house would also be in Josh's name, so assets are still in his name, they are just now liquid assets, as opposed to real estate.  It doesn't change the fact that he has those assets in his name.  The question you want to be asking is why he wanted liquid assets as opposed to non-liquid assets.  Perhaps because he wants to make settlements?

 

Again, if the house was in his name and it was worth $X, and he received $X upon sale, even to the Duggar Trust, $X is still in Josh's name now. That's what I would be focussing on more than who ended up with property.  Unless, of course, they some how flip it for a huge profit in a short time, in which case, yes, one can look into siphoning off assets.

Edited September 14, 2015 by pennben

[cmr2014]

If they sold the house and it was in Josh's name, the proceeds of the house would also be in Josh's name, so assets are still in his name, they are just now liquid assets, as opposed to real estate.  It doesn't change the fact that he has those assets in his name.  The question you want to be asking is why he wanted liquid assets as opposed to non-liquid assets.  Perhaps because he wants to make settlements?

 

Again, if the house was in his name and it was worth $X, and he received $X upon sale, even to the Duggar Trust, $X is still in Josh's name now. That's what I would be focussing on more than who ended up with property.  Unless, of course, they some how flip it for a huge profit in a short time, in which case, yes, one can look into siphoning off assets.

 

I'm sure that there is someone on this board who will know, but my guess is that if they sold the house to the trust for $1, then they could be accused of hiding assets in case of a lawsuit. If they sold it for a legitimate value, then yeah, Josh has $65,000, but he doesn't have the $200,000 that the house could have been (and still can be) sold for.

[pennben]

Of course if they sold it for $1 (or even more if less than market value) you are looking at fraud/hiding assets.  No question. I even indicated that in the post you quoted raising this question. I thought I read several posts where they sold it for a marginal profit from the purchase price paid after limited improvements. I'm just saying he may have needed to cash out now because he needs the cash and couldn't wait for the turnaround in the market (lots of folks have to cash out of real estate before it makes it back to high levels of value). Let's wait to convict them of another crime until we are sure they have committed it.

Edited September 14, 2015 by pennben

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Where to sleep? Just throw Mckensie in with the J girls and the M boys with their cousins. Anna and the baby rate a cubicle someplace. Thumbs up, Anna.

I think you mean "Just throw Mackensie in with the J girls and the M boys in with their UNCLES."

I know, it's crazy to think those kids have that many uncles & aunts their age/close to their age....

Edited September 14, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[lookeyloo]

How much does RU cost? Maybe they are paying for that

[MamaMax]

I don't think Josh likes women.  Don't get me wrong, he may love his wife, his mother and his sisters, but I think he just doesn't like them.  He isn't gay.  Gay men don't dislike women, they're just not attracted to them sexually.  I've known guys like him before and I've also known women who don't like men.  They tend to get married and treat their spouses badly.  I'm not sure you could pin the reason for this on any one factor, I think it's a part of their personality just like how some people have a natural dislike of certain foods or dogs or cats.  

 

If he would get some actual counseling, he could recognize the problem and learn coping skills.  He probably could develop some empathy once he learned to see women as thinking, feeling humans.  But we all know the likelihood of that happening.  Legitimate counseling might contradict his religious upbringing, and getting his head on straight might lead to him putting a ton of distance between himself and his dysfunctional family.  

 

 

Being raised in the cult, how could he have possibly developed normal feelings for women and girls? They were to be feared and avoided, the whole Eve and the Serpent thing, etc  I doubt he will ever have a normal romantic or sexual relationship.  He is too far gone, and his recent trouble just reinforced the "sex is bad, sex is dirty; women are bad, women are dirty," mentality.

 

I can't help but think of hte country song, "I like my women a little on the trashy side."  If Josh had been raised in a more normal household, he may have just accepted his preferences, gotten some good natured ribbing about his love of big fake boobs, been allowed to experience Playboy magazines or a little mainstream porn without being made to feel like the devil had hold of his soul…. he could be happily married to a somewhat trashy woman with big fake boobs and watching a little porn now and then to get in the mood, and being HAPPY.

[zenme]

Could Jimbo have purchased Josh's house and gave him the $65000 to help keep Josh and Anna afloat for a while.RU costs money, as do hookers and chick-fil-a.

[cheatincheetos]

I think you mean "Just throw Mackensie in with the J girls and the M boys in with their UNCLES."

I know, it's crazy to think those kids have that many uncles their age/close to their age....

When I saw that there was a cartoon available on Netflix titled "Uncle Grandpa" somehow I thought of this.

[cheatincheetos]

Watching the backs of all the men at the ru service......is there a reason why so much plaid is being worn?

The little cross shapes contained in plaid patterns repel demons of porn and nomnomnom addictions.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Hey Josh (if you ever read this),

It's cool if you wanted to go to college. It's cool if you wanted to be a lawyer. It's cool if you wanted to date and hookup with a lot of consenting adult women before you settled down. It's cool if you didn't want eleventy-million blessings. It's cool if you wanted to go get hammered in a strip club every once in a while. In the real world/secular world, the vast majority of us never would have judged you for any of those things (as long as you weren't claiming to be holier-than-us & spewing hate).

If you still wanna do those things, it's a heck of a lot more acceptable with society at large if you just admit it and do it, as long as you still provide for your kids and have relationships with them, as well as help Anna out with some alimony at least for a little bit while she gets on her feet. (And also stop saying anything critical of gay marriage, etc.) You might hurt your family and your wife by doing this. But it's better to do it now, get the hurt over & done, and start living the life you truly want rather than going through this cycle of hiding your desires, resentment,sinning, apologizing, hurting loved ones, and eventually ending up divorcing in 20-30 years. You're still young and regardless of what your homeschool education was like, I don't think you're dumb. Start at community college and then a four year university, then law school at night. This is still your life and you still have the opportunity to live it as you want with most people not judging as long as you do right by Anna and the kids. Let Anna go and she can live her own life, too. You both deserve that. Your kids deserve for you to not be a pent up ball of resentment and hate who constantly has to seek forgiveness for the same types of sins/constantly hurt their mother.

[Muffyn]

I'm not a big fan of Josh, but I don't know that he deserves what is coming to him. He's going to be the scapegoat for every single problem that that family has until JB and J'chelle are dead and buried. I think that the older children are going to have plenty of problems as they transition into the Duggar version of adult life, but I think that the younger, feral kids are going to be a real mess. JB and J'chelle will never be forced to take any responsibility for any of it, either. It will all be Josh's fault. "If we just had our television show, and that extra income, Josie wouldn't be working a pole right now!"

Josie is not going to end up working a pole.  She'll work in a diner  cleaning the counters with her tongue.  She's a natural! 

[Yolapukka]

To me the sale seems a bit more off than someone trying to shield assets from a potential lawsuit. Those who know better, feel free to correct me, but if he was successfully sued, would any judgement stand if he declared bankruptcy? or would it be subject to bankruptcy law, in which case wouldn't the house be sheltered from any such judgement under typical bankruptcy exemptions? Moreover, wouldn't Anna be the legal owner of 1/2 the value of that property? I think something is very, very off about that sale, but unless Josh is planning to slam more of what remains of his assets into the purchase of a home, or someone in that family is being very very stupid (quite possible) it can't be probable that he's trying to shield assets by liquidating the money already invested in a principal residence. I am wondering if it's actually an attempt to keep Anna under the Duggar's thumb by putting what should be her assets shared with Josh under the control of Jim-Boob.

Edited September 14, 2015 by yuggapukka

[pennben]

 

Those who know better, feel free to correct me, but if he was successfully sued, would any judgement stand if he declared bankruptcy? or would it be subject to bankruptcy law, in which case wouldn't the house be sheltered from any such judgement under typical bankruptcy exemptions

 

Not a satisfactory answer, but it all depends.  You are correct, however, he'd be much more likely to shelter a residence from bankruptcy as opposed to cash.

[Guest]

I can't help but wonder what Mack and Michael have been told about their father's time away. Six months is an eternity for children their age. Josh will miss Mack's 6th birthday (Oct.8), Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc. It's very sad when you consider the confusion that they probably feel right now. 

[GeeGolly]

Who would sue Josh and for what? Josh was a minor when the molestations occurred. If anyone is being sued for that it would be JB & M. I think it makes the most sense that it was sold to pay for RU or Anna has no cash available to support herself and the kids. If it was sold for a dollar it would reflect that in the records, which is legal, and does not change the value of the house. I don't think Josh is a candidate for bankruptcy, as he doesn't appear to own much and you can file in a way that saves your home. 

Edited September 14, 2015 by GeeGolly

[kokapetl]

The references to "1 dollar and other good and valuable" in warrantee deeds is just legal terminology, the actual price paid is reflected by the amount of stamp duty/tax paid.

[Guest]

Honestly, I can't figure out if he sold the house or not. Yes, Zillow lists it as having been sold last month for $65K, but I checked the Benton County Property Records online and Josh and Anna are still listed as the owners. Color me confused! 

 

Okay, folks. I think I may have solved the mystery of the maybe-sold house.

 

The parcel number provided for Josh and Anna's house on the Zillow website is incorrect when you compare it with their actual parcel number listed on Benton County property records. It is a long string of numbers incorrect by one digit. Very easy to miss.

 

I am guessing that Zillow inputted Josh and Anna's parcel number incorrectly on the listing, but it was a non-issue until the real house with that parcel number was sold. Zillow then updated their website to show that the house with that parcel number had been sold and due to the error, Josh and Anna's house listing was incorrectly updated to show a sale.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Guest

[Oldernowiser]

Does Zillow ever correct anything? My husband owns a real estate company and he fields a dozen calls a year from pissed off clients whose properties are listed incorrectly in Trulia or Zillow. He then dutifully contacts whichever one has messed up the listing (all-time favorite...the listing where they left a 4 off the front of an oceanfront house price, so he got all these calls about the $50,000 house), and nine out of ten times, nothing gets fixed.

You may absolutely be right, but unless someone complained long and often, I'd be surprised if Zillow spontaneously corrected something, although maybe the Duggar famewhore connection had an influence.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Oldernowiser

[cheatincheetos]

Does Zillow ever correct anything?

Very rarely, in my experience. I don't understand how the company's stock price ever climbed so fast-- the zoomable map and such are fun features, but much of the data on there is terrible.

[Loves2Dance]

I really have no idea why Josh is the way he is, but I think he honestly may be a sex addict. Would a "normal" person continue to repeat the same bad behavior that would ultimately destroy him and his family's reputation, if they could help themselves? Nobody in their right mind would IMO. Like any addict, however, Josh has to have professional help before he can even begin to get better.

 

The answer to that varies. Could he truly be addicted? Yes and he would meet the clinical diagnosis criteria.based on the fact that it is destroying his family and he doesn't seem to care/continues to do it (based on the first scandal not causing him to stop the cheating). 

 

However, there is a really big but on this one, he may have honestly thought he could get away with it and had he known the damage he would have done; simply wouldn't have done it. When Josh molested his sisters, his family was just breaking into the TV world. He would have no concept or grasp on where the Duggars were going and how big they would become. If he knew then, what he knows now---there is a very real possibility that he wouldn't have committed the molestation and would have been better about hiding the sex on the side. 

[Loves2Dance]

I can't help but wonder what Mack and Michael have been told about their father's time away. Six months is an eternity for children their age. Josh will miss Mack's 6th birthday (Oct.8), Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc. It's very sad when you consider the confusion that they probably feel right now. 

Military families do it all the time; my guess is they've been told he has to be away for work or something along those lines. I highly doubt they have a clue what is truly going on and if they do, no one will talk to them about it honestly. As much as Josh and Anna need real counseling, so do those kids, imo; it should be criminal to keep them from the help they need with such huge transitions so quickly. Their only saving grace is being surrounded by kids their own age to continually keep their minds off of what has happened. 

How much does RU cost? Maybe they are paying for that

$7,500.

We as a society need to stop perpetuating the dangerous idea that college-aged men are allowed to treat women like shit as a part of their maturation process. Rape culture is real.

We, as a society, also need to accept that some men are just sleazy and if there are women who wants to be with them then it should be okay. No one is saying Josh should be able to rape or abuse anyone he wants, but he will likely always be the sleazy boyfriend you wonder why you dated for so long. 

[Julia]

Very rarely, in my experience. I don't understand how the company's stock price ever climbed so fast-- the zoomable map and such are fun features, but much of the data on there is terrible.

 

I gave up on Zillow. Try looking it up on Redfin. I had a good experience with them.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Julia

[3girlsforus]

I can't help but wonder what Mack and Michael have been told about their father's time away. Six months is an eternity for children their age. Josh will miss Mack's 6th birthday (Oct.8), Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc. It's very sad when you consider the confusion that they probably feel right now. 

 

I really feel for those kids. I'm sure they are being told everything is great but kids aren't stupid. There is no way Anna is happy every second. They are likely seeing her cry or seem really sad a lot. It has to be confusing.

 

Who would sue Josh and for what? Josh was a minor when the molestations occurred. If anyone is being sued for that it would be JB & M. I think it makes the most sense that it was sold to pay for RU or Anna has no cash available to support herself and the kids. If it was sold for a dollar it would reflect that in the records, which is legal, and does not change the value of the house. I don't think Josh is a candidate for bankruptcy, as he doesn't appear to own much and you can file in a way that saves your home. 

 

This is my question. You can't sue an adult for something he did a a minor. I guess you could make a case to sue JB/Michele but even that's a stretch. 

[Porkchop]

I just looked up my house on Zillow ... above my house (which is in central Massachusetts) it says Appalachian Mountains!

[Joe Jitsu913]

I just looked up my house on Zillow ... above my house (which is in central Massachusetts) it says Appalachian Mountains!

Porkchop... You're from Central Mass too? We might be neighbors!

[doodlebug]

 

Who would sue Josh and for what?

Well, presuming there are other women out there with whom Josh did the deed in the past couple years, he could be sued for child support or also for assaulting a partner and causing injury including emotional distress during rough sex.  However, finding a lawyer to take a personal injury case when the defendant doesn't have much in the way of assets is hard to do.  From what we've seen, Josh' only tangible asset is his house, maybe a car or two.  I suspect he and Anna don't have much in the way of savings and it seems unlikely that Jim Boob gave him much of a cut of the TLC money.  If the house is jointly owned with Anna, then a plaintiff would only be entitled to his half of the proceeds in a sale, which might amount to around $100,000 presuming he owns the house outright with Anna and doesn't have a mortgage and that the house' current value is roughly the same as other houses in his area.

 

As far as the discounted price Josh paid for the house; it is quite possible that the house has a lot of problems that we don't know about.  Otherwise, it would seem like others would've also been bidding on it and driven the price up from a quarter of the possible value.  I know of people trashing their homes prior to allowing the bank to take it.  This house was a foreclosure; it's possible that the previous residents took all of the major appliances, punched holes in the walls, left the faucets running to flood it. or any one of dozens of things that have been reported in similar situations.  If it has a major issue like termite damage or black mold that needs remediation, that also would drive down the cost.  The fact that a nearby house sold for $65,000 and not the reported $200,000 value of homes in that area also indicates that the houses in that neighborhood might not be worth what we've speculated.

 

For the molestation charges, Jim Bob and Michelle would be at risk financially and most likely have a fairly large asset pile at this point, so, if the 5th victim was ever going to go after someone, it would be them.  She'd have a pretty good case that they knew Josh was a danger to her and didn't do enough to protect her.  However, she needs to get in there and file suit soon, because JB and Michelle's assets are diminishing daily with no prospect for any future big TV paydays.

Edited September 14, 2015 by doodlebug

[TaxNerd]

My theory is that Anna is not cut off from her family in FL. She probably could go spend some time down there, but may not want to. If she takes four kids, including a newborn, she may be all on her own in a popular camper.

Her parents are into Gothard and think she needs to stand by her man. I doubt they would help much with the kids, and may just spend the whole visit convincing her she needs to change for Josh.

Personally I wouldn't want to stay in FL in a camper in Sept heat with young kids. The Keller aren't exactly living the life of comparable luxury the Dugger have either.

I really doubt she is so isolated she couldn't escape if she wanted.

Well, presuming there are other women out there with whom Josh did the deed in the past couple years, he could be sued for child support or also for assaulting a partner and causing injury including emotional distress during rough sex. However, finding a lawyer to take a personal injury case when the defendant doesn't have much in the way of assets is hard to do. From what we've seen, Josh' only tangible asset is his house, maybe a car or two. I suspect he and Anna don't have much in the way of savings and it seems unlikely that Jim Boob gave him much of a cut of the TLC money. If the house is jointly owned with Anna, then a plaintiff would only be entitled to his half of the proceeds in a sale, which might amount to around $100,000 presuming he owns the house outright with Anna and doesn't have a mortgage.

For the molestation charges, Jim Bob and Michelle would be at risk financially and most likely have a fairly large asset pile at this point, so, if the 5th victim was ever going to go after someone, it would be them. She'd have a pretty good case that they knew Josh was a danger to her and didn't do enough to protect her. However, she needs to get in there and file suit soon, because JB and Michelle's assets are diminishing daily with no prospect for any future big TV paydays.

People can sue for almost anything. I know someone that was sued for being rear ended at a red light.

I'm sure some shady lawyer would take the case just for the publicity.

I agree it's weird they liquidated the home, especially since most homestead laws protect it. I wonder if Jim Bob was fine paying for it after the first scandal, and the community was glad to pitch in to reno, but the second scandal was too much.

I seriously doubt Josh has a dime left in his own name.

[doodlebug]

 

My theory is that Anna is not cut off from her family in FL. She probably could go spend some time down there, but may not want to

If Anna's brother is correct and Anna's parents are also pushing her to stay married to Smuggar, I can see why she might not be interested in going down there.  She can hear the same BS from her in-laws who at least have an actual place for her to live as well as multiple sister-moms to loan her for childcare help.  No point in going home to Florida if she's going to be living in a tiny trailer with her impoverished parents telling her that Jebus wants her to stay married to a cheating cheater who cheats.

 

Since her parents don't really seem to have the room for Anna and 4 kids, nor the means to support them all; what would be the point of going down there? Out of the frying pan and into the fire....

 

Now, if her parents would be emotionally supportive and allow Anna the time and space to decide on her own future independent of what her parents or in-laws want, that would be a different story.  But, we know that is not the case, their 'faith' teaches that Anna has no free will or agency here and her parents aren't going to stray from that party line.

Edited September 14, 2015 by doodlebug

[Patricia07]

Have the Kellers seen their new granddaughter yet?

[leighdear]

 

I really doubt she is so isolated she couldn't escape if she wanted.

She'd need access to a car with four child safety seats.  That fact alone limits where she can go and how she can get there. 

 

Seriously, she has no real way of leaving. 

[kokapetl]

Anna is in a far better position to extract financial (and voluntary) support from JimBob if she stays with Josh. A divorce at her request carries the risk of alienating JimBob, and him subsequently withdrawing that financial support. She would obviously be entitled to child support from Josh in that scenario, but you can't get blood from a broke, unemployable stone. Stay with the millstone husband and JimBob could make it worth her while.

[Loves2Dance]

She'd need access to a car with four child safety seats.  That fact alone limits where she can go and how she can get there. 

 

Seriously, she has no real way of leaving. 

Not true. They owned a van in DC and that same van should be with them in AK. She could leave the second she wanted to, but she simply doesn't want to. There is no law on record that supports the Duggars and they don't have the cult like atmosphere to keep the kids while shunning the mom a la Waco and like cults often do. They're too high profile to pull that shit anyway.

 

I think it's a very sad true, but one that simply needs to be accepted---Anna doesn't want to leave, so she hasn't. 

 

Also, the other two M children could get away without a safety seat in a pinch. Younger two absolutely need one, but in a true emergency; no officer is going to cite her mid-running away. Also, regardless of whether the house is in Josh's name or Josh and Anna's name but she is still entitled to 50% of that $65K plus whatever else Josh has in his name. 

Edited September 14, 2015 by Loves2Dance

[barbedwire]

I too think Josh just doesn't want this lifestyle anymore.  My guess is he is tired of his circus family that consists of mom, dad, and way too many young siblings he just doesn't know nor will ever be close too.

 

He wants no more kids, but can't say it aloud.  That is wrong!

 

He needs a good counselor that will let him be honest and figure things out.  He needs to grow a pair and tell his parents that he is not them and will never live their lifestyle.  He needs to get the hell outta Arkansas and take his wife and kids.

[Julia]

I too think Josh just doesn't want this lifestyle anymore.  My guess is he is tired of his circus family that consists of mom, dad, and way too many young siblings he just doesn't know nor will ever be close too.

 

He wants no more kids, but can't say it aloud.  That is wrong!

 

He needs a good counselor that will let him be honest and figure things out.  He needs to grow a pair and tell his parents that he is not them and will never live their lifestyle.  He needs to get the hell outta Arkansas and take his wife and kids.

 

If we're being prescriptive, I'm not all that concerned about Josh's future, but it would probably be the first act of conspicuous decency in his life if he would just file for divorce and hand detailed financials over to Anna's lawyer. 

[zenme]

Just watched The View with Dr. Phil as a guest. They asked him what he thought of the Duggar situation, and his opinion is that there is way more to be uncovered wrt the Duggar family. In his Dr. Phil speak he said, "For every rat, there's 50 more," and says he's also wondering what issues the rest have.

[TaxNerd]

Just watched The View with Dr. Phil as a guest. They asked him what he thought of the Duggar situation, and his opinion is that there is way more to be uncovered wrt the Duggar family. In his Dr. Phil speak he said, "For every rat, there's 50 more," and says he's also wondering what issues the rest have.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :)

[yogi2014L]

If we're being prescriptive, I'm not all that concerned about Josh's future, but it would probably be the first act of conspicuous decency in his life if he would just file for divorce and hand detailed financials over to Anna's lawyer. 

 

Imagine every single time you had sex you had a partner wanting to make babies and you DID NOT ABSOLUTELY NOT WANT any more kids.

Sex would be riddled with anxiety, not fun, a chore. Not excusing it but maybe that has a lot to do with why he cheated. He just wanted to have sex without the pressure of making more mouths to feed. ( granted he should have just gotten a secret vasectomy but who knows if he even knows what that is)

 

I am not excusing what he did in the slightest, but he really needs to ditch the idea of Gothard, have a normal sex without procreating, enjoy the four kids he has and see how he feels. 

[kathe5133]

Some have mentioned that perhaps Josh was looking elsewhere for sex because he didn't want anymore children and maybe Anna did.I don't think he cares how many kids Anna has, if Anna gets pregnant, etc.  To say he was "worried" about having more children than he could afford, not wanting the "responsibility"  implies that he has some ability to think things through like a responsible adult.  He isn't equipped to be an adult.  He thought he could have the wife, the kids, the job, and then "hey lookee here, this here website will match me up with gurls, I just have to give them my credit card, and it's confidential!"  He's a child and he found a way, or so he thought,  to have his cake and eat it too.  He wanted to get laid and he did.  I believe it's that simple.  Of course, YMMV. 

[kokapetl]

Dr Phil does/did specialise in psychological profiling of witnesses, jurors, judges and so on, to provide legal teams with winning tactics, he knows manipulation.