Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[CofCinci]

I think TLC is definitely supplying/paying for a bodyguard because it is always the same one!?! Is he the only one who comes up in google? LOL

TLC most likely contracts to a security firm and has utilized this same company for years. Bodyguard probably owns the company and takes the best assignments?

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I do not think the FRC is a 'hate group'. They have very conservative values and lobby congress, just as many uber liberal groups do. I may not agree with them, but I will not call them a hate group because of their beliefs and lobbying efforts.

When an organization seeks to take rights and civil liberties away from US citizens based on their interpretation of the bible, it's very much a hate group. Their argument that marriage is between one man and one woman is tantamount to opposition to interracial marriage which was only made legal in 1967. Arguments about interracial marriage were biblically based as are the FRC's lobbying claims about LBGT citizens.

FRC spreads misinformation about LBGT citizens as to sway public opinion the same way that Westboro Baptist Church tries to sway public opinion by protesting funerals with their God awful picketing propaganda.

[Marigold]

Wow.

I'm sorry that it has come to the need for a body guard. Anna and the kids must have whiplash from their world turning upsidedown in a matter of a few hours. 

First you are a popular person and now your husband needs a bodygaurd?? wow. 

 

I'd really love to know what Anna REALLY thinks?

[bencr]

I don't know why Josh needs a bodyguard. But I think it's at least possible that hiring a bodyguard is part of a public relations stunt to show people how persecuted Josh and his family have been.

[bigskygirl]

Folks, you've all been exemplary and understanding about the landmines of language with this issue. We'd also like to add rape and incest to that. Please be very, very careful when you use those term as they mean something specific. It would be best to use molest. It describes perfectly what we (so far) know has occurred. Thank you.

[Aja]

Re: bodyguard. I don't know. There are a lot of crazy people out there. I'd hate for anything scary to happen to Anna and the kids. They don't deserve any of this, especially the children.

Edited June 10, 2015 by Aja

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I'd really love to know what Anna REALLY thinks?

Anna has been conditioned to only think what her headship tells her to think. Stockholm Syndrome on a 25+ year scale.

[HundFan]

I do not feel even the tiniest bit of sympathy for Josh, but it is hard not to pity Anna. I agree that's why she was clinging to Josh like a motherless monkey and crying for no reason on the "Digging With The Duggars" episode. She was also atypically chatty, making nonsensical comments about "family traditions." Uncomfortable people try too hard by smiling inappropriately and talking too much. So it was with Anna, who KNEW what was coming.  PS: Ben's face during that show was another "tell." He looked like he had just eaten something truly disgusting.

[gunderda]

If the weight loss was caused by stress related to the molestation scandal, I wonder how far in advance the Duggars were aware the scandal was going to break  before it actually did. The airport pics were taken only one day after InTouch published the first article about the molestation.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3089944/Embattled-reality-star-Josh-Duggar-arrives-DC-airport-alongside-pregnant-wife-three-children-one-day-child-molestation-allegations-surfaced.html

I don't know.... I hate to say he looks good, but he does in terms of losing the weight and to me, if it were weight loss caused by stress you'd see it in his face and he would still look terrible. 

[Marigold]

totally agree.

Anna thinks what she has been told. However, I bet this rocked her to the deepest part of her soul.  She might actually being feeling something for the first time. 

[Cherrio]

Perhaps he'll guard Anna the same way he guarded Kate Gosslin? (With his penis).

Anna: You in danger, girl.

http://youtu.be/uxBfukKmATo

I am glad I went to the bathroom before I read this, cause I would peed my pants !    LOL

                   Oh and Steve is also very good at carrying purses.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

totally agree.

Anna thinks what she has been told. However, I bet this rocked her to the deepest part of her soul. She might actually being feeling something for the first time.

Since her admission that Josh told her about the molestation before they were married, I've wondered if it was disguised under the umbrella of "my faith was tested", "I made mistakes", "I was tempted by the debil."

Edited June 10, 2015 by FakeJoshDuggar

[HundFan]

I don't think Josh is returning to the car lot.

I agree. Isn't a big part of buying a car feeling like you can trust the salesman? In this case, let's see ....... yeah, NOT.

[Aja]

Since her admission that Josh told her about the molestation I've wondered if it was guide under the umbrella of "my faith was tested", "I made mistakes", "I was tempted by the debil."

 

Don't forget about the "evil liberal media" and "Christian persecution", as those were major factors as well.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

Don't forget about the "evil liberal media" and "Christian persecution", as those were major factors as well.

We musn't forget "crown of thorns", "it was their fault for tempting me with their prairie dresses", and "wimmin are under my authority anyway /shrug."

[truthtalk2014]

Re: bodyguard. I don't know. There are a lot of crazy people out there. I'd hate for anything scary to happen to Anna and the kids. They don't deserve any of this, especially the children.

I don't think anyone wants to hurt Anna or the m's.  

 

Josh  - now that is another story.

I don't know.... I hate to say he looks good, but he does in terms of losing the weight and to me, if it were weight loss caused by stress you'd see it in his face and he would still look terrible. 

I just saw this pic and it appears that Mac is giving the bird to someone.  LOL Maybe her daddy!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3089944/Embattled-reality-star-Josh-Duggar-arrives-DC-airport-alongside-pregnant-wife-three-children-one-day-child-molestation-allegations-surfaced.html

[Absolom]

Didn't Jim Bob sell the car lot and they'd have to start over?

[dillpickles]

RE: the body guard thing. There are some crazy people out there. A scandal involving the sexual abuse of minors broke out, and people tend to hate those. Not everyone is decent. Some people might take the rage they feel towards Josh out on Anna and the M kids, and besides, the paparazzi would be out for blood too.

[JoanArc]

FWIW we have no idea that Josh is going back to Arkansas, just rumor. Working on the house could be because he wants to rent it out, or flip it. He'll need the income.

BFE, Florida would be pretty good, as Anna would be close to her family for the delivery.

 

 

Didn't Jim Bob sell the car lot and they'd have to start over?

Yeah, and Ben's been driving the Duggar Towing Truck. Josh will need a lower key job for the next 5-10 years.

[Sew Sumi]

I think JB still owns the car lot. Remember they showed an old family friend running it? At minimum, he still owns the property. They would be stupid to kick that guy out and reinstall Smuggar there. I agree that he's even lower on the totem pole than "regular" used car salesmen. 

 

For the time being, I see no other option for him than to go to work for JB. I don't even think IBLP headquarters would touch him at this point. However, this is all subject to change in a year or two IF nothing else emerges. 

[Absolom]

I thought I'd never quote the fan blog and they could be wrong but check here, they say it was sold.

[Cherrio]

I thought it was very interesting and telling that this time they hired movers.  What's wrong Joshie?  The whole brood didn't want to come help you move?  Stop by for a little baby shower at the Bates for M4?  Hmmm...

Gil:  Kelly,. don't buy a pinata for the shower.

Kelly:    Why?

Gil:     We'll use Josh.

[GEML]

There can be a body guard to keep photographers away. Why should anyone but the Duggars and TLC make money from photographs of the Duggars? It doesn't have to be about death threats.

But I'm another who feels badly for the younger family. Assuming (and it's only an assumption) that Josh did turn his life around, they are going back to a life that will be far more constricting than the one they left. I'm not minimizing what he did - I just really hate seeing any young person mess up their lives so utterly that young. I'd say that about anyone, especially in this situation where it isn't something that necessarily continues into adulthood. I also hate that his children's lives will now be so controlled by JB and Michelle.

[Wellfleet]

I thought it was very interesting and telling that this time they hired movers.  What's wrong Joshie?  The whole brood didn't want to come help you move?  Stop by for a little baby shower at the Bates for M4?  Hmmm...

 

No cameras - no giant family moving crew. Besides to help, they'd have to leave the TTH. And I don't think anyone's straying too far from home right at the moment.

I think TLC is definitely supplying/paying for a bodyguard because it is always the same one!?!  Is he the only one who comes up in google?  LOL

 

Agree. I doubt that Steve Whosis was Josh's choice.

[NikSac]

I don't think anyone wants to hurt Anna or the m's.  

 

Josh  - now that is another story.

 

I doubt anyone wants to hurt Anna or the kids, but I can see some misguided person thinking they were "saving" the kids or "helping" them by, for example, kidnapping them. Plus of course there may be people who want to take out their anger on Josh.  If I were any of them, I'd want a bodyguard too. 

[Absolom]

TLC seems to have a contract with the security firm for which Steve works.  He's been seen around the talent of several of their shows.  From the stories over the years they are there mainly to keep fans and photographers/paps from getting too close to the filming or to keep them from harassing the talent.  

[Honey]

The Duggar family is under investigation again by the Arkansas Department of Human Services and police were called when the family refused to cooperate, In Touch magazine is reporting exclusively in its new issue that hits newsstands today.

A representative from the Washington County DHS called 911 on May 27 at around 11 a.m. asking for police assistance when DHS was not allowed to see the minor they were concerned about. In Touch, which broke the story of Josh Duggar’s sexual molestation scandal, has the full transcript of the emergency call in the new issue.

The new investigation comes as the family tries to save its TLC reality show, 19 Kids and Counting, which the network pulled off the air, while determining its fate. Jim Bob, Michelle and two of their daughters sat for interviews with Fox News, attempting to minimize the damage, but much of what they said was widely condemned as misinformation and not full disclosure.

The Duggars made no mention of the fact that they have been under investigation again, but In Touch discovered what they are hiding via another Freedom of Information Act request that produced the 911 call.

After identifying himself as a Washington Country DHS employee and stating the Duggar family address, the caller tells the 911 operator, “We have an investigation and I guess they’re not being cooperative. We have to see the child to make sure the child is all right. So we just need police assistance.”

 

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/new-investigation-launched-against-duggar-family-911-called-60330

Edited June 10, 2015 by Honey

[BitterApple]

I don't let random people into my home, so I can't fault the Duggars for how they handled the DHS worker. If you're legit, you can come back with the cops and then we'll talk. Given how badly the Duggars got screwed with the release of the police report I wouldn't trust anyone from the system either.

Edited June 11, 2015 by BitterApple

[DangerousMinds]

I think DHS generally tries to make appointments with families to come by, instead of just showing up announced, unless it's an emergency situation.

[Barbie]

The title of this thread is making me think it might be a good idea for Josh to change his name to Smugger or Keller and move to Alaska... Can you do that?  

Just change your name, if there is no fraud involved and you just want to start over?  

[DangerousMinds]

I am in the camp that hoped they'd head to Florida and Anna's family, at least for a while, instead of back to Arkansas.

[Bella]

The title of this thread is making me think it might be a good idea for Josh to change his name to Smugger or Keller and move to Alaska... Can you do that?  

Just change your name, if there is no fraud involved and you just want to start over?  

 

In a word, yes, though it's more complicated than that.

 

Many years after I became an adult and moved from my childhood home, a person who had been a neighbor became Facebook friends with me. My friend eventually decided to track down a missing sibling. The private detective found that this sibling had moved to another country, changed both first and last names, and was unwilling to contact anyone from childhood, including family members. (There had been abuse within the family....)

 

So it's possible for Josh to change his name, sure. However, when it comes to starting over as a completely different person with a new identity, professional and educational credentials, Social Security number, credit background - all that would have to be finessed somehow. I imagine it's possible to hire someone to help with that, but I personally wouldn't know where to begin.

[Absolom]

I don't think he can change his social security number legally and probably not the credit record.  Although changing the name is not all that difficult.  He'd have to get the actual credentials as he really has none now so they might as well be in the new name.

[galax-arena]

I imagine it's possible to hire someone to help with that, but I personally wouldn't know where to begin.

1. Run afoul of the mafia.

2. Turn into an FBI informant.

3. Join the Witness Protection Program.

4. The FBI takes care of all the pesky identification change details for you.

5. ???

6. Profit!

 

Easy as pie. 

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I don't let random people into my home, so I can't fault the Duggars for how they handled the DHS worker. If you're legit, you can come back with the cops and them we'll talk. Given how badly the Duggars got screwed with the release of the police report I wouldn't trust anyone from the system either.

Well I have nothing to hide so if CPS shows up with the right identification, then come on in and please excuse the mess.

They didn't get screwed by DHS. They got screwed because they put their family on television as the paragon of traditional Christian values when they knew that that facade was a lie. Under Arkansas law, records that include sexual assault of a minor cannot be sealed. Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ was an adult when DHS got involved in 2006 and DHS got involved because his victims were then and still minors. If you murder someone when you're 15 and aren't caught until you're 19, your records aren't sealed because you were a minor at the time of the crime.

Either way, the Duggars were naive to believe that their secrets would stay hidden because of their shell veneer of wholesome, white, Christian values. They live in a right wing bubble which they believed would protect them from any speculation and in depth probing.

EDIT: I legit know the difference between the your and you're.

Edited June 11, 2015 by FakeJoshDuggar

[MarysWetBar]

Perhaps he'll guard Anna the same way he guarded Kate Gosslin? (With his penis).

Anna: You in danger, girl.

http://youtu.be/uxBfukKmATo

Thanks for maKing the water fly out my nostrils. Didn't know i could do a trick like that!

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I don't think he can change his social security number legally and probably not the credit record. Although changing the name is not all that difficult. He'd have to get the actual credentials as he really has none now so they might as well be in the new name.

Yeah, if people can find members of the Manson family after 50 years, there's not a country where Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ could hide without being recognized.

Maybe they could relocate to the Galapagos islands?

Edited June 11, 2015 by FakeJoshDuggar

[anony mouse]

Maybe things are done differently in Arkansas, but I find it odd that the caseworker called 911 over this. In my state, the caseworker would contact LE directly, unless there was some sort of Josh Powell emergency situation going down. Further, I'm not sure what LE could do for them without a warrant. Either Arkansas runs the show very differently, or something hinky is going on.

[Jellybeans]

I don't think he can change his social security number legally and probably not the credit record.  Although changing the name is not all that difficult.  He'd have to get the actual credentials as he really has none now so they might as well be in the new name.

You can change your social security number legally. Info is at your local SSA office.

[Jellybeans]

One thing that does bother me is we are not the jury, judge or DA. He has yet to be convicted or even arrested. Yes, I read the report. Sick.

And they are still a family.

But only our legal system can go after Michelle, Jim Bob and Josh, whether we like it or not.

[Wellfleet]

Well I have nothing to hide so if CPS shows up with the right identification, then come on in and please excuse the mess.

They didn't get screwed by DHS. They got screwed because they put their family on television as the paragon of traditional Christian values when they knew that that facade was a lie. Under Arkansas law, records that include sexual assault of a minor cannot be sealed. Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ was an adult when DHS got involved in 2006 and DHS got involved because his victims were then and still minors. If you murder someone when you're 15 and aren't caught until you're 19, you're records aren't sealed because you were a minor at the time of the crime.

Either way, the Duggars were naive to believe that their secrets would stay hidden because of their shell veneer of wholesome, white, Christian values. They live in a right wing bubble which they believed would protect them from any speculation and in depth probing.

 

Yes. When you read or watch comments on the Josh scandal, in print and on TV, from the Washington Post to Gawker, from Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow, from Bill Maher and Larry Wilmore down through all the entertainment news shows, the primary thing nearly all have objected to the most, other than the acts of abuse themselves, is that the Duggars went ahead with the TV show after they learned what Josh had done. Most had other issues as well, but this is the common denominator in almost all of them. The Duggars were naive to do this and deliberately so, because they chose to live so isolated a life. This to me is one of the biggest problems with Gothard and all his rules - it is so shortsighted. They isolated themselves thinking it would protect them and their kids from all the world's evils, never considering for a minute that it would prevent "good knowledge" from reaching them as well.

Edited June 11, 2015 by Wellfleet

[frenchtoast]

Folks, can we get a cease and desist on the legal speculation. This is a reality show, not a courtroom drama. We haven't seen the documents so it's hard to say for certain what is actually happening. Much like the language, it's a such touchy territory. Let's not get into too much.

 

Thanks!

[Lemur]

well, it seems my very first post was deleted...

i'll try again. is it terrible hard to believe josh may be sorry for what he did?

Honestly, I don't know. I really don't. As far as I'm concerned that's between him, his victims and their Higher Power. I'm more concerned about the lack of concern for society at large, and the fact that the family covered this up. So I guess this goes back to your question, and I don't know if I do believe Josh. I don't know if I believe he was completely truthful in regards to who his victims are. Edited June 11, 2015 by Lemur

[Honey]

Yeah, if people can find members of the Manson family after 50 years, there's not a country where Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ could hide without being recognized.

Maybe they could relocate to the Galapagos islands?

All Josh would have to hear is that there are Boobies in the Galapagos Islands and he'd be there.  We know they're Blue-Footed Boobys, but SOTDRT educated Josh, wouldn't know that.

[MrsChappy]

so much WORD to this! I've been wondering if they could have really been that arrogant or ignorant to think this wouldn't come out. Your post makes total sense. They really don't get how the real world works.

[JoanArc]

Maybe things are done differently in Arkansas, but I find it odd that the caseworker called 911 over this. In my state, the caseworker would contact LE directly, unless there was some sort of Josh Powell emergency situation going down. Further, I'm not sure what LE could do for them without a warrant. Either Arkansas runs the show very differently, or something hinky is going on.

I'd just assumed it was a true emergency, or the the state workers felt threatened in some way. I can think of lots of ways that could happen with the Duggar temper.

 

EDIT: It's also been a rough month in the Duggar house. Sometimes minors call CPS on their own families. You never know.

Edited June 11, 2015 by JoanArc

[Absolom]

Which category would Josh fit into to be allowed to change his social security number?  I worked there and I only ever saw one person get a change approved.   It was a very strange case.  They still keep the original number tied to the person's name, too.   Is he suffering enough harassment that he needs a new SSN?  

 

 

 

We can assign a different number only if:

Sequential numbers assigned to members of the same family are causing problems;
More than one person is assigned or using the same number;
A victim of identity theft continues to be disadvantaged by using the original number;
There is a situation of harassment, abuse or life endangerment; or
An individual has religious or cultural objections to certain numbers or digits in the original number. (We require written documentation in support of the objection from a religious group with which the number holder has an established relationship.)

[Darknight]

A parent has the right to deny dhs, but it makes them look bad. I bet Jimbob is shitting his pants right now

Edited June 11, 2015 by Darknight

[cmr2014]

I too feel some empathy for Josh. [snip] His parents failed him in so many ways. His life is falling apart right now due to his parents poor decision-making. Don't get me wrong, Josh was old enough to assume responsibility for his behaviors but in the end Bob failed as a Shepard or whatever the hell they regard themselves as instead of trying to be good parents.

 

Also, if his parents had handled this properly, it would be a sealed case, not a loose police report. If Josh had received treatment, and had not re-offended, no one would ever have known. I would give them a pass on how they handled it the first time -- who expects or plans for something like this to happen in their family -- but not the second or third time.

 

It really bothers me that they have clearly done no research and talked to no experts in all of these years. I understand that they trust their religious community, but after there are two and then three instances (that we know of), they should have sought out professional help. There just is no excuse.

[CofCinci]

The house Josh and Anna just vacated in Maryland is now up on Zillow as an available rental.  http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/249-Panorama-Dr-Oxon-Hill-MD-20745/37457042_zpid/  In their quick retreat, they left behind their fireplace tools.

 

$2,650 if you're interested and want to use the same bidet as Josh.

Edited June 11, 2015 by CofCinci