Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[GEML]

I spent nearly 20 years living in DC and the DC suburbs. $2500 a month was reasonable, maybe a shade high for where they were living. But if it did come furnished, that would be VERY reasonable.

[Churchhoney]

$3,500? Seriously? In DC? A cursory search on a real estate site which tends to have slightly spendy listings in NYC got me 80 3 bedrooms in DC for less than $2,500.

Seriously, way to put away grain for those seven lean years, Josh boy.

 

I think I read somewhere that they had a five-bedroom -- maybe 3000 sq ft or more? I hope I'm not hallucinating this. I suppose they figured they needed a lot of guest rooms for the nannies.

 

 

ETA: Okay, I read it in the Daily Mail. 5 bedrooms, four baths. 3300 sq ft    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102594/Goodbye-Washington-D-C-hello-Siloam-Springs-Disgraced-Josh-Duggar-s-secret-plan-escape-50k-Arkansas-house-child-abuse-scandal-ruins-propects-political-career.html

 

They also say it was furnished (at least partly).  I believe that I read some place else, a while ago, that it also has a river view. So that would make it a little more desirable, too. I'd say the $3500 was about right.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Churchhoney

[GEML]

And Anna's family status within their community was higher than the Duggar status. (Especially if it was an open secret about Josh, which it appears it was.) HE was marrying up, not the other way around.

[HumblePi]

I plan to go to Bloomingdale's in NY to pick up a few of these before Wednesday, just to be prepared. I have feeling I'm going to need them.

 

[NEGirl]

I don't hold it against Anna for doing things like obtaining braces to improve her appearance. Most of us in that same finanical position would probably do the same thing.  Also, as the wife of someone in Josh's position, she would be expected to look good and not wear shitty/ugly looking clothes.

Edited May 31, 2015 by NEGirl

[silverspoons]

His rental in Maryland was in Oxon Hills. I'm not familiar with this area but Ihave heard people who are saying the rent might be more reasonable because it is a less desired school area? Obviously Anna was homeschooling so space was more important then schools.

 

I thought the rent was around $3k after seeing a link a year ago on Zillow when people were questioning if Josh was going to stay or buy a new home. Yesterday there was an article comparing Josh rental home (saying it was $3500 a month) and his new "used" foreclosure in Arkansas which cost 55k (a steal if you ask me for a mini TTH on a big piece of land, all it needs is some new flooring and paint, nothing major).

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102594/Goodbye-Washington-D-C-hello-Siloam-Springs-Disgraced-Josh-Duggar-s-secret-plan-escape-50k-Arkansas-house-child-abuse-scandal-ruins-propects-political-career.html

Remember Josh made somewhere between 140-175k plus perks & benefits  for his hate job with FRC.

[NEGirl]

Holy shit - did he really make that much ?!!!

Edited May 31, 2015 by NEGirl

[Julia]

Yeah, I found a picture of it. I'm just kind of staggered that they celebrated their promotion from modeling frugality and modesty and independence from government in the family setting to working to mandate it legally on a national level as a K Street lobbyist by renting a big expensive house and buying his helpmeet fashionable new clothes and a makeover.

[GEML]

It was never clear what Josh was making, and I've never thought that number accurate. I'd put His salary more between the $75-125K range, and I'm betting it was mostly financed by a few specific private donors.

[Celia Rubenstein]

 ... I say she needs to ask Jim Bob about his statements he made while running for office. There is no reason she could not ask him about incest being a capital offense. She could also ask him what his definition of incest was? rape? touching?

 

I am guessing Jim Bob might claim what Josh did was not actually "incest" as Webster's defines it since it didn't involve penile penetration (that actually is the Webster's definition of it -  I looked it up online, and I was surprised by the narrow definition, quite frankly).  It would be a very convenient way for him to differentiate what Josh did from the acts of people Jim Bob think should be executed. 

 

That is not to imply I think Jim Bob would be lying if he said that is his definition of the word.   Jim Bob Duggar has made it clear to the everyone that penises are all that matter in his world.  So if Josh's penis wasn't involved, it's just not that big of a deal.  Of course the vaginas of the girls that were violated are far less significant and of no real importance.  Violations like that are really just an opportunity for them to become stronger spiritually! 

 

It's too bad Jim Bob didn't view several years in a state operated locked residential facility for sex offenders as an opportunity for his son to become stronger spiritually.

[GEML]

And Zillow rents for the DC suburbs are usually off.

[Churchhoney]

His rental in Maryland was in Oxon Hills. I'm not familiar with this area but Ihave heard people who are saying the rent might be more reasonable because it is a less desired school area? Obviously Anna was homeschooling so space was more important then schools.

 

I thought the rent was around $3k after seeing a link a year ago on Zillow when people were questioning if Josh was going to stay or buy a new home. Yesterday there was an article comparing Josh rental home (saying it was $3500 a month) and his new "used" foreclosure in Arkansas which cost 55k (a steal if you ask me for a mini TTH on a big piece of land, all it needs is some new flooring and paint, nothing major).

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102594/Goodbye-Washington-D-C-hello-Siloam-Springs-Disgraced-Josh-Duggar-s-secret-plan-escape-50k-Arkansas-house-child-abuse-scandal-ruins-propects-political-career.html

Remember Josh made somewhere between 140-175k plus perks & benefits  for his hate job with FRC.

 

The two downsides of where the house is are the schools being a little chancy -- but they had no reason to care -- and lack of Metro access, which I suppose people who'd never lived around much public transportation would care about either. For a furnished house of that size, big garage, river view, furnishings -- somewhere between $3000 and $3500 would be right on the money, given the pluses and minuses, I would say. For something that size closer in or close to transportation or in a top school system, you'd pay way way more. So I think they basically made the tradeoffs to get what mattered to them.

[Churchhoney]

 

Yeah, I found a picture of it. I'm just kind of staggered that they celebrated their promotion from modeling frugality and modesty and independence from government in the family setting to working to mandate it legally on a national level as a K Street lobbyist by renting a big expensive house and buying his helpmeet fashionable new clothes and a makeover.

 

He probably figured that at he had earned the right to have surroundings suitable to his greatness.

[kathe5133]

It was never clear what Josh was making, and I've never thought that number accurate. I'd put His salary more between the $75-125K range, and I'm betting it was mostly financed by a few specific private donors.

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And....... He has a GED! He operates on "Duggertime". Can't get his grown ass out of bed on time! EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR? Josh Dugger is their top guy? They are going to stamp out marriage equality and abortion? Maybe they should start little smaller. Train Josh to get out of bed before noon. Proof that this organization is operated by bird brains and funded by half wits! And further proof that those who follow him and his ilk are wastes of space.

[KittyS]

Yeah, I found a picture of it. I'm just kind of staggered that they celebrated their promotion from modeling frugality and modesty and independence from government in the family setting to working to mandate it legally on a national level as a K Street lobbyist by renting a big expensive house and buying his helpmeet fashionable new clothes and a makeover.

Honestly, a $3000 (even $3500) a month rental in this area isn't exactly fancy. Their MD house has vinyl floors and basic oak cabinets - not exactly a McMansion. I live in Fairfax County, VA and the prices outside of DC are unreal. I live in a nothing special 2000 sf 50 year old split level that would easily rent for $3000 a month and sell for $500 K. I could probably buy THREE identical houses for the same price in my home state of Michigan. I do have better schools and Metro access compared to Joshie.

I know the salaries and housing prices sound crazy to outsiders, but Josh's DC lifestyle is pretty middle class. Gosh, I hate to defend him! I think if he and Anna (and the J-slaves) put some work into his Arkansas house, it could end up being a nice home for their family. It sounds like money goes a loooong way in Arkansas. I'd say I'm jealous, but I don't really want to live in Arkansas and I'm guessing the job market isn't what the D.C. market is.

Edited May 31, 2015 by KittyS

[Julia]

He probably figured that at he had earned the right to have surroundings suitable to his greatness.

Because I'm sure whatever he did for that year and a half was totally worth a third of the average lifetime income for a high school graduate. Because greatness.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Julia

[b2H]

If the interview with Megyn is softball, I will be disappointed since she is a mother. Should she softball it, I want the Duggars to offer Josh to watch her child(ren).

Not sure of how good of a dancer she is, but her tap dancing around that answer should be legendary.

Edited May 31, 2015 by b2H

[Mrsjumbo]

Yes, the cost of living here in AR is great! We're in a 4000 sq ft McMansion on a wooded 1 acre lot, wood floors, granite counters, inground pool. We pay $1000 less per mo on our mortgage than Josh's rent. Walmart & the companies that have vendors to Walmart are the biggest employer here, I think. Also Tyson foods & JB Hunt.

I think Josh is either going to be working for JB in some way (rental properties?) or do the church circuit. I'm not sure who wants to listen to him now. I'm sure even some of the leg humpers have turned away from the Duggars, no?

[hathorlive]

 

Honestly, a $3000 (even $3500) a month rental in this area isn't exactly fancy. Their MD house has vinyl floors and basic oak cabinets - not exactly a McMansion. I live in Fairfax County, VA and the prices outside of DC are unreal. I live in a nothing special 2000 sf 50 year old split level that would easily rent for $3000 a month and sell for $500 K. I could probably buy THREE identical houses for the same price in my home state of Michigan. I do have better schools and Metro access compared to Joshie.

 

I had the option of picking a job in DC and a job in Michigan for about the same salary and I took Michigan.  The cost of housing anywhere in the DC area or suburbs was that cost prohibitive.  I can live like a minor ducal lord in Michigan compared to the rents in DC.  My uncle owns a house within walking distance of the Pentagon.  He bought it for 37000 in 1960.  It sold last year for over 900,000.  Nothing is affordable in that area.

 

I think Joshie realizes how lucky he as to "get out" and how much he's lost.  I guess since we'll never see justice for the survivors, at least we know he's right back where he started, living down the road from his parents, dependent on their good will to feed his kids.

That would be hell for me, so I will hope he'll find out what the word humble means.  Assuming he wasn't allowed to watch Charlotte's web.

 

I don't really know what Megyn will do.  She's not exactly Veronica Mars but I have to think on some level she's insulted that a yokel from Arkansas was put in charge of an important group and his parents are that stupid.  I would hope.  I've learned to be disappointed with the press and the Duggars.  I stopped watching Anderson Cooper after that travesty.

[CofCinci]

If Boob hates women then why is it that only women interview them?

Well, Jim Bob has never sat for an actual interview. Any interviews in the last decade have been scripted with approved questions and memorized responses.

[BitterApple]

I don't hold it against Anna for doing things like obtaining braces to improve her appearance. Most of us in that same finanical position would probably do the same thing. Also, as the wife of someone in Josh's position, she would be expected to look good and not wear shitty/ugly looking clothes.

I don't either. She probably wanted braces as a teenager but her family couldn't afford them.

[merylinkid]

Josh was not ED of the entire FRC.   He was ED of communications of something.   They gave him a fancy title and office.   He didn't actually do anything.   They just trotted him out to read speeches someone else wrote.  

 

But still pretty cushy job for someone with only a GED and very few actual life experiences.

[Morgalisa]

 

Take a sip whenever they talk about how this happened when Josh was a teenager.

Dont forget, he was a "young" teen when he made the mistake.

[Darknight]

This interview is a joke. JimChelle more like Jim dim would never agree to it without pre approved questions. Most of their viewers are conservative or christians, so of course fox is the best choice. [snip]

JimChelle is trying to get back their reputation that they ruined. I doubt sponsors is going to come back. I'm going to have a huge ass bottle of wine everytime JimChelle mentions Jesus or repented or both. Or if they shed fake ass tears

Edited May 31, 2015 by bigskygirl
Calling out conservative and christians

[wanderwoman]

I think Anna would have dutifully married the local garbage man if that's what her mom and dad told her to do. But she lucked(?) into a Duggar who lucked into a high profile lobbyist job in DC. With that circumstance she had to change some things, right?

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I really hate to speculate when it comes to love, because unlike think Anna truly loves Josh; but, I remember quite clearly that Anna hadn't really considered Josh much. He pursued her and she held to "I'm waiting until I am 20" promise. Since we know Josh told her two years before he proposed, about his past, I'm wondering if that admission helped get resolve to wait?

Anna was fundy royalty in her own way. Her family was pretty well known and feted about in ATI. I can't remember, for the life of me, who said it, but someone confirmed that Mr. Keller instituted some benchmarks for Josh in terms of income and lifestyle. The "trailer" Anna lived in as a teen was fairly large and has its own acreage with a tennis court, pool, and other fun things.

I just hope that they had an exit strategy. Times are about to get lean.

Edited May 31, 2015 by wanderwoman

[NEGirl]

Wanderwoman - Question please -Since you are familar with the fundy lifestyle, do you think Josh told Anna EVERYTHING?

Edited May 31, 2015 by NEGirl

[jschoolgirl]

Josh was not ED of the entire FRC.   He was ED of communications of something.   They gave him a fancy title and office.   He didn't actually do anything.   They just trotted him out to read speeches someone else wrote.  

 

But still pretty cushy job for someone with only a GED and very few actual life experiences.

I wonder what he actually DID from day to day.

[CofCinci]

I wonder what he actually DID from day to day.

Porn.

[JAYJAY1979]

I did notice Anna changed after marrying him but in some ways there were positive changes such as being a little more confident and dressing a little more modern.

I do.agree with a previous poster that even if the girls have to wear skirts, at least they are choosing some more trendy looks paired with leggings. At least Jessa and Anna have been doing this.

Still not sure how his interview will go..but we shall find out on Wednesday.

http://www.chicagonow.com/confessions-coffeeholic/2015/05/flowers-in-the-attic-josh-duggar-scandal/

[TaxNerd]

Another possibility is that Josh's rent was a perk of the job, sort of like a car lease. I know people that transferred and their job provided a furnished rental for six months or more.

He would have to pay taxes on the income :)

Edited for my theory:

I forsee house flipping in his future. Contractors will work with anyone, JB has the cash and the local contacts, and Josh has a huge supply of free labor in his brothers.

Edited May 31, 2015 by TaxNerd

[silverspoons]

The FRC salaries were posted and the lowest paid executive was over 125k (a female) and the salaries went over 200k. Of course I believe that almost everyone else had at least a college degree if not graduate work. I would find it hard to believe Josh would be paid less. His expenses had to be very high, on top of rent instead of free Grandma Duggar's house, he had 8 vehicles with him. He could no longer grab a dealer plate like he did at the car lot. I can't imagine Maryland having dirt cheap car insurance?

 

Josh was there because of his last name. He flew around the country and met various supporters and had some photo ops (now I'm sure many people would love to forget they posed with him).  He also did some radio shows for FRC. Not to defend his high salary but how many people had heard about FRC or followed what they were doing before Josh? I had heard about the shooting before Josh was employed there but that was it. Josh's 18 months at FRC got more people talking about it then all the other 150k executives with degrees and that is exactly why he was hired. If this scandal didn't happen, Josh & Anna and there 4 kids including a newborn would have been traveling this fall to kick off the 2016 campaigns in the FRC RV pro life tour bus. Josh was to be the face of the young conservative large family. I always thought that it was sure a high pressure job in a way that kind of part of your employment requirements is to keep having kids and traveling with your young kids. I love my kids but I only traveled with a newborn and 1 toddler on a plane 3 times, all out of necessity (funerals & wedding) and I would not want to do it as a living every election season.

Edited May 31, 2015 by silverspoons

[JoanArc]

 

on top of rent instead of free Grandma Duggar's house, he had 8 vehicles with him.

8 cars? Holy crap, this is gonna be a hell of a humbling. It was just him, Anna, 3 kids, and the crew. That's 3 cars, max.

[Loves2Dance]

The FRC salaries were posted and the lowest paid executive was over 125k (a female) and the salaries went over 200k. Of course I believe that almost everyone else had at least a college degree if not graduate work. I would find it hard to believe Josh would be paid less. His expenses had to be very high, on top of rent instead of free Grandma Duggar's house, he had 8 vehicles with him. He could no longer grab a dealer plate like he did at the car lot. I can't imagine Maryland having dirt cheap car insurance?

 

Josh was there because of his last name. He flew around the country and met various supporters and had some photo ops (now I'm sure many people would love to forget they posed with him).  He also did some radio shows for FRC. Not to defend his high salary but how many people had heard about FRC or followed what they were doing before Josh? I had heard about the shooting before Josh was employed there but that was it. Josh's 18 months at FRC got more people talking about it then all the other 150k executives with degrees and that is exactly why he was hired. If this scandal didn't happen, Josh & Anna and there 4 kids including a newborn would have been traveling this fall to kick off the 2016 campaigns in the FRC RV pro life tour bus. Josh was to be the face of the young conservative large family. I always thought that it was sure a high pressure job in a way that kind of part of your employment requirements is to keep having kids and traveling with your young kids. I love my kids but I only traveled with a newborn and 1 toddler on a plane 3 times, all out of necessity (funerals & wedding) and I would not want to do it as a living every election season.

I wonder if JB is not kicking himself for grooming John David the same way he seemed to with Josh. I do think Josh was groomed to not only be the family spokesperson, but eventually be a face in politics. I don't think JB could ever foresee the FRC, but JB clearly didn't put his time into grooming any of his other sons and has no one to fall back on immediately. To be honest, knowing what they did and that there was a paper trail, I'm surprised they hadn't prepared for this. 

[Shibori]

990s (tax returns) for nonprofits are public info. Guidestar has FRC's through 2013. Josh's predecessor made about $230k a year from FRC and its affiliated organizations. That's not at all out of line for a DC nonprofit that size.

[Loves2Dance]

John David would have been a disaster in politics, though. He doesn't even like to be interviewed on the show.

That type of thing gets better over time; I saw it in the early, early days with Josh and he was groomed for this type of position within the family. Ie. The family talking head. John David, while awkward now, could have been equally as groomed and been more at ease at this point in his life. 

[starfire]

I wonder how much the younger kids know about what is going on, and what the older kids (who weren't molested) knew about the situation back then and what they are being told now.

 

Having said that, is it just me or does it seem inappropriate to have the Megyn Kelly interview held at the Duggar home? Is it going to be so soft, lame and vague of an interview that if little ears hear what is being said, it won't be alarming to them? Or will JimBob make all the "in the dark" kids wear earplugs and stay in their bedrooms?

[Celia Rubenstein]

Having said that, is it just me or does it seem inappropriate to have the Megyn Kelly interview held at the Duggar home? Is it going to be so soft, lame and vague of an interview that if little ears hear what is being said, it won't be alarming to them? Or will JimBob make all the "in the dark" kids wear earplugs and stay in their bedrooms?

 

She is going to their house?  Oh forget it.  Not that I had any hope at all this was going to be anything even approaching a serious, hard hitting interview.  But no way is she going to meet them on their own family turf and do anything but kiss their ass.  

 

Megyn Kelly better watch herself.  If she takes this too far she could end up not only a joke (she already is imo), but going down in news reporter history as a child molester apologist.   

[KateUK]

I will have to rely on you guys keeping me updated or posting a link to this interview when it happens.

 

But, when I read it was taking place in the Duggars home my heart sank, I think we all know how this is going to go........it will be all praying to God, Gods forgiveness, Michelle with the fixed look of total adoration on her face beaming up at JimBob.....sigh......

 

No accountability, just more covering up imo.

Edited May 31, 2015 by KateUK

[springtime]

That type of thing gets better over time; I saw it in the early, early days with Josh and he was groomed for this type of position within the family. Ie. The family talking head. John David, while awkward now, could have been equally as groomed and been more at ease at this point in his life. 

As the family's talking head (and the reason this interview is happening) Josh should be the one interviewed.

[becca3891]

My take on any interview is that if Boob gets wind that he is going to get attacked he will just cancel.

I don't think they can take the heat of hard questions and I would be delighted if they are going to have phone calls from the public asking questions!!!!! HA! Can you imagine Boob sweating.

Phone calls from the public...I wish. Especially knowing they'll be in their own home, it's going to be a complete joke of an "interview." By the way, does anyone remember that Megyn Kelly is the one who got all angry about someone suggesting that Santa didn't have to be white, and announced to "all the kids watching (not sure why kids young enough to believe in Santa would have been watching her show, but whatever) that Santa Claus is white, don't you worry. LOL -- anyone who would get so passionate about facts regarding a pretend character is right up the Duggars' alley. Creation museum, anyone?

I think if anyone shows emotion, it will be Jim Bob.  Michelle will just nod wide-eyed, and speaking very calmly, she'll minimize the molestation.  "Josh was in a molesting season of life...One of his little glitches...He had desires stirred up inside of him that could not righteously be fulfilled..."  Probably very little, if any mention of the girls and what they've been through.  At any rate, "it brought the family closer to God, God laid it on their hearts to forgive him..."  Yada, yada, yada. 

No way are either of them going to use the word "molest." And great point regarding Jim Bob not considering what Josh did to be incest, because it didn't involve penile penetration. The patriarchal viewpoint that it's all about the penis is really pervasive. My mom's reaction when I broke the Duggar news to her was, "At least they weren't raped; that would have been so much worse for the girls." I had to have a long talk with her and educate her about the emotional repercussions of sexual abuse having nothing to do with whether or not you were penetrated by a penis. 

Edited May 31, 2015 by becca3891

[whydoiwatch]

I am still hung up on Josh/Anna having 8 cars - what the hell? Why?

Never could stand either one of them, now everything I read just reinforces my opinion. I started out thinking no way in hell Anna knew everything Josh had done, despite his supposed confession two years before they married (that timeline is suspect). I am beginning to think maybe she really did know after all.

Many have commented here on her being a good mother. I suppose that is true, but she always came across to me as having the attitude she was such a good parent and she could help others learn to be the same. Superior, smug and condescending  IMO.

Josh's salary at FRC (just the likely salary range) is sickening and a slap in the face to everyone who has worked hard to advance their career. He waltzed in based on his surname, despite being ignorant, uneducated and now we know able to compartmentalize deep dark secrets about himself while hating on others whose lifestyle differed from his.

No sympathy from me for either Josh or Anna. 

Edited May 31, 2015 by whydoiwatch

[midwesthoosier]

The Kelly interview will be pretaped. As an earlier poster said, sorry but I cannot find the original quote, that Jim Bob has never sat for an actual interview. Any interviews in the last decade have been scripted with approved questions and memorized responses.

I think the original poster was in the media thread. That is where I read about the interview being pretaped.

[GEML]

Josh's position, I believe, as a new position created just for him. The Executive Durector of the FRC made $230,000. But Josh wasExecutive Director of FRC Action, their political wing, and a much smaller position. It's an important distinction. His job was Almost certainly to go out and meet with elected officials to get them to continue to treat his PAC with the deference it deserved and to contact voters within the religious subgroups where he had personal access because of his childhood and ability to speak the right language. His world often doesn't vote or donate to the Republican Party - the often vote Constitution Party or stay home. Josh was to act as an intermediary between the two. Plenty of elections, even at the presidential level, by a few thousand votes.

That's not a $230,000 job. That a $75-125,000 job.

Edited May 31, 2015 by GEML

[NextIteration]

ITA with shibori about his salary, and do we know whether his housing was expensed to the organization since his home base was Arkansas?  Pure speculation on my part, but it seems to me that he was hired due to his family's fame in evangelical/fundamental circles, which means all bets were off as to what was compensated, in my experience.  This is FRC we are talking about, and in the land of bloated overpaid lobbyists.

[mbutterfly]

Maybe someone can explain to me.  I get that Josh did whatever he needed to to be forgiven in his religion BUT does the Bible not say something like "Render unto God that which is God's and render unto Caesar that which is Caesars"? I know this is about taxes but do also mean Josh should have accepted any criminal or civil penalties?

In my experience (retired minister, husband was an attorney) the answer is "yes." If, in a local community or state there is a strong presence of a religious group that have some prohibitions in their creed (i.e. swearing in court), then the law has long since allowed adaptations. But generally speaking fundamentalist Christians often say those very words as their reason for complying with particular penalties. Not saying this is true everywhere, just in my neck of the woods. 

Edited May 31, 2015 by mbutterfly

[NextIteration]

His world often doesn't vote or donate to the Republican Party

 

I call baloney on this, sorry.  They vote for candidates like Huckabee and Santorum and then if they are really offended sit out the general.  But the primaries matter a lot, they are where the candidate is chosen.

[Koffee Kup]

I found the following, which I don't recall seeing here, on Christian Today. Why church abuse scandals must prioritise the voices of victims, not perpetrators and found the following quite interesting,

 

 

I've been aware for some years that sexual abuse allegations involving Josh Duggar have long been discussed on internet forums – sadly proving completely correct in both the details and the way they were handled by the Duggar family.

 

How sad that this was out there in circles for years before being brought to light.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Koffee Kup

[GEML]

Actually, Doug Phillips, now disgraced Vision Forum Leader (the subculture Ben Seewald's family follows and who awarded Michelle Mother of the Year and put on the Film Festival the Duggars and many other homeschoolers attended) is the son of Howard Phillips, who ran for President under the Constitution Party. This personal meeting would have meant a lot to many people, especially as they felt even the conservative candidates were too liberal.

[kathe5133]

It was talked about years ago on the TWOP forums. No details. I think it was surmised to be a teenage make out session between Josh and some girl. When it resurfaced last week and there was talk of his sisters I thought "wow, this site has really gone off the rails. How can the mods allow this rampant speculation." I posted asking where folks got these details and was directed to the police reports. Opened my eyes. (and the moderators are doing an amazing job keeping these forums on topic!)

[Churchhoney]

The FRC salaries were posted and the lowest paid executive was over 125k (a female) and the salaries went over 200k. Of course I believe that almost everyone else had at least a college degree if not graduate work. I would find it hard to believe Josh would be paid less. His expenses had to be very high, on top of rent instead of free Grandma Duggar's house, he had 8 vehicles with him. He could no longer grab a dealer plate like he did at the car lot. I can't imagine Maryland having dirt cheap car insurance?

 

 

 

Maryland has pretty high car-insurance rates, 11th in the nation this year according to this.

 

http://www.insure.com/car-insurance/car-insurance-rates.html

 

And I thought I'd remembered that PG county, where Josh lives, have had among the highest. Just looked it up -- Oxon Hill listed as having the third highest car-insurance rates in the state in 2014: $1,901.04              

 

http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/2014/04/14/average-md-maryland-car-insurance-rate/

 

Even a high salary gets eaten up with prices like that. Josh being Josh, though, he may have taken the price tags as evidence of his top-guy status.