Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

[farmgal4]

30 minutes ago, Zella said:

My theory on Spurgeon for a long time has been that his primary problem is the way Jessa treats him. She reinforces his worst behavior as desirable because she acts like it's cute and brilliant, and I think he's a bit of a people pleaser who's also smart enough to realize that's what his mom wants, so he acts like a brat to get her attention. And he's not around other kids or influences who could cause him to moderate his behavior by calling him out on how annoying it is. I feel really sorry for him. I suspect he's going to grow up to be a super annoying adult and have no clue why people find him annoying. I've met people like that from homeschooled backgrounds, and adulthood and real life are not kind to them. 

I also think Ben was probably a lot like Spurgeon when he was a child.

[smallfry]

On 2/21/2023 at 11:58 PM, MrsKravitz said:

I’m thinking he memorized the one on his spelling list. No thinking required. 

As a 2nd grade teacher this spelling test of Jessa's is absolute trash! Did she explain that there are 3 different ways to write the word there and the 3 different meanings? I am sure she did not! Easy to say you can memorize and spell a word but can you use it correctly in a sentence? Do you think she teaches the phonics behind spelling with patterns and sounds? No way!

I feel sorry for these uneducated kids!!!

[Dehumidifier]

40 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I haven't followed Jessa in a while, but watched both videos. I'm genuinely sorry for her loss, but even before the miscarriage, she struck me as profoundly depressed. Her affect is so flat and disconnected, I sense getting out of bed every day is a struggle. Being the married daughter who's stayed closest to the fold has had a really negative affect on her. I wonder if Jessa took the loss so hard because the baby was the most opportunity she's had to get excited about something in years. I just felt so bad for her. 

Post-renovation depression. You've picked materials and appliances, rehabbed, painted, acquired furniture, moved -- now the excitement is over and it's back to the same old daily life.

[xwordfanatik]

I watched the videos.  Jessa came off as genuinely heartbroken, and I hope that if/when she gets pregnant again, they will hold off on telling the children, at least until she really starts to show.

On a more superficial note, those Amazon boxes really bother me.  Amazon will send a gift in a nice, reusable bag, for $4.99.  Nothing is easier.  It looks so much nicer.

[Teriacky]

I’m sure the Christmas tree looks spectacular with unwrapped boxes and bags under it on Christmas morning. 🙄

[Ljohnson1987]

I feel bad for Jessa and Ben. I hope the testing figures out any issues. She said she could have a clotting disorder like Joy. Jessa and Ben's kids are adorable. 

[Snow Fairy]

But sometimes there is no answer, those things happen.

I doubt she would have 4 successful pregnancies in what, 7 years, if there is any underlying condition. Especially knowing that first trimester miscarriage is not really that uncommon.

 Between me and my 3 friends, three of us had early pregnancy loss 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Snow Fairy

[sagittarius sue]

15 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

I doubt she would have 4 successful pregnancies in what, 7 years, if there is any underlying condition. Especially knowing that first trimester miscarriage is not really that uncommon.

Jessa attempted 3 home deliveries, and had to be rushed to the hospital with two of them as she was hemorrhaging.  Fortunately she had a hospital birth with the fourth one.  It's possible there could be a problem.

[BetyBee]

1 hour ago, sagittarius sue said:

Jessa attempted 3 home deliveries, and had to be rushed to the hospital with two of them as she was hemorrhaging.  Fortunately she had a hospital birth with the fourth one.  It's possible there could be a problem.

I think she's hooked on hospital births now. She really liked having an epidural. So we will probably never hear "Mother is bleeding" again.

[Stevie Nicks]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

I think she's hooked on hospital births now. She really liked having an epidural. So we will probably never hear "Mother is bleeding" again.

"Moooother is bleeeedding" Meechs cadence was really odd with that one. 

[jcbrown]

2 hours ago, Stevie Nicks said:

"Moooother is bleeeedding" Meechs cadence was really odd with that one. 

It was. She kind of sounded like a sheep.

[Adeejay]

On 2/22/2023 at 10:09 AM, oliviabenson said:

Henry is a beautiful child. Shame he is being raised by lazy Jessa.

Henry would make a fortune if he were allowed to do commercials and/or print model.   

[woodscommaelle]

9 hours ago, smallfry said:

Did she explain that there are 3 different ways to write the word there and the 3 different meanings? 

Well, Jessa would have to be aware that there are two other spellings and meanings of the word before she could teach that to others, so…🤷🏻‍♀️😉

Edited February 26, 2023 by woodscommaelle

[Notabug]

On 2/24/2023 at 7:34 PM, Dehumidifier said:

Condoms prevent fertilization. Preventing implantation means preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall which I always thought was how IUDs work, but recently I read somewhere that that is not the case.

There are no birth control methods that prevent implantation, there are religious groups who THINK birth control prevents implantation.

The big piece of info that most fundies do not know is that fertilization does not take place simultaneously with coitus.  It takes sperm about 3 days to travel from the vagina to the egg which is usually still in the Fallopian tube when fertilization occurs.  Meanwhile, the egg is only viable for about 18 hours or so which means the act of intercourse has to happen a day or more prior to ovulation in order for a pregnancy to result.

IUD's work by decapacitating sperm.  What that means is that their presence causes an immune system reaction that renders sperm unable to fertilize eggs.  IUD's got a bum rap in the early days before the timeline for conception was worked out.  Also, there were some studies that showed that women with IUD's sometimes had fertilized eggs that didn't implant in their menstrual flow.  However, nobody bothered to compare their flow to that of women without IUD's.  Turns out, about a third of all fertilized eggs never implant in the womb and are lost in the menstrual flow. with or without an IUD being present.  So, IUD's are not the cause of lack of implantation.

This is also the reason the morning after pill is being targeted.  It only works if taken within 72 hours and, then, works best if taken sooner, rather than later.  Why?  Because it delays ovulation.  If ovulation has already happened and the sperm got to the egg, it will not work.  Essentially, we're playing with the 3 days or so gap between coitus and fertilization here.  As long as ovulation hasn't happened, taking a dose of progesterone can delay it enough that the sperm will not last long enough to reach a viable egg.

Tell all your friends and please remember this next time anyone tries to tell you that IUD's or the morning after pill causes abortions.

ETA:  I noticed somebody mentioning the pill preventing implantation should it fail to prevent ovulation.  Once again, nice theory with no basis in fact.  It is true that the pill prevents ovulation, but there can be breakthrough, especially if pills are missed.  The theory is that, when breakthrough ovulation occurs, the cervical mucus is thicker from being on the pill which prevents sperm from getting to the tube (true) and that the thin uterine lining caused by birth control will prevent a fertilized egg from implanting (false).  While the pill does thin the uterine lining, there is no evidence that this hinders implantation of a fertilized egg.  Because ovulation happens so rarely on the pill, it's hard to look at fertilized eggs in menstrual flow.  However, we do know that women who conceive while taking the pill do not have a higher rate of miscarriage, nor do their pregnancies seem to be at higher risk for problems with the placenta or fetal growth which you'd think would also be a risk if the uterine lining was so terrible for a pregnancy to implant.  It's indirect evidence, but it is pretty strongly in favor of the view that being on the pill is not a hindrance to implantation if an egg is fertilized.  

Also, statistically, we have a handle on how often there is breakthrough ovulation on the pill as well as the rate of diagnosed pregnancy after such an event.  The pregnancy rate while ovulating on the pill is the same as the pregnancy rate for everyone else.  If the pill was preventing implantation, the rate of diagnosed pregnancy for women taking the pill at conception should be lower to account for those lost pregnancies.

Edited February 26, 2023 by Notabug

[merylinkid]

I feel for Jessa, no one should have to make this decision.   HOWEVER, people should be free to make the decision.   Not prosecuted for it -- or allowed to make it because you have enough money/fame to avoid prosecution.

[ChristmasCandy]

No matter how she spins about the miscarriage she will never believe that the doctors did call it a spontaneous abortion in her medical records.

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, ChristmasCandy said:

No matter how she spins about the miscarriage she will never believe that the doctors did call it a spontaneous abortion in her medical records.

Or that a D&C is the same procedure used to terminate a pregnancy.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Or that a D&C is the same procedure used to terminate a pregnancy.

I woke up this morning to Twitter roasting Jessa over this after People Magazine published an article about it. 

https://people.com/parents/jessa-duggar-reveals-she-suffered-a-miscarriage/

 

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I woke up this morning to Twitter roasting Jessa over this after People Magazine published an article about it. 

https://people.com/parents/jessa-duggar-reveals-she-suffered-a-miscarriage/

She's lucky she met the criteria because in some states women are sent home whether they want to be or not.

[Scarlett45]

Please take further discussions of contraceptive methods unrelated Jess and her family to the Small Talk thread. 

[Meow Mix]

Thanks @Notabug for the always helpful information.  Though I first misread one sentence and thought that IUDs decapitate sperm.  I was amused.

Regarding Jessa, I am truly sorry for her that she had a miscarriage, but I am uncomfortable with how she handled the video releases.  It just seems like she is trying to monetize the whole thing by first releasing the video announcing the pregnancy then 5 hours later releasing the other video.  I don't understand why she wouldn't edit them together or just do like she did last time and state she had a miscarriage after the fact if she becomes pregnant again.  And yes, she is lucky she could have a D&C because there are some states where she would be sent home and not treated until she was ready to bleed out.

[AstridM]

2 hours ago, ChristmasCandy said:

No matter how she spins about the miscarriage she will never believe that the doctors did call it a spontaneous abortion in her medical records.

She’s going to be unhappy when she gets the bills from this procedure, then. Her scammy fake insurance likely won’t pay for this either. 

[cmr2014]

On 2/25/2023 at 11:24 AM, BitterApple said:

I haven't followed Jessa in a while, but watched both videos. I'm genuinely sorry for her loss, but even before the miscarriage, she struck me as profoundly depressed. Her affect is so flat and disconnected, I sense getting out of bed every day is a struggle. Being the married daughter who's stayed closest to the fold has had a really negative affect on her. I wonder if Jessa took the loss so hard because the baby was the most opportunity she's had to get excited about something in years. I just felt so bad for her. 

Honestly, I don't feel bad for her. As a fellow human being, I'm sorry that she's sad, and that something bad happened to her, but none of these people should have any more children.

Jessa doesn't need any more children -- she can barely handle the ones she has already, and only puts in the least imaginable amount of effort in raising them. For people who are obsessed with the idea that God micromanages every minute of their lives, none of them seem to be able to get the message when God says "enough!" Maybe God has a different plan for Jessa, maybe something other than littering the Earth with her spawn? Maybe God wants her to feed the poor, or care for the sick, or something similar that Jesus actually talked about rather than dropping a baby every two years, and then forgetting about it until it's "picture time."

If she's depressed, I would hope (pointlessly) that she'll get some professional help, but having babies doesn't cure depression, and I have a lot more compassion for her children -- both real and potential -- than I do for her.

[Dehumidifier]

3 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

...Maybe God has a different plan for Jessa, maybe something other than littering the Earth with her spawn? Maybe God wants her to feed the poor, or care for the sick, or something similar that Jesus actually talked about rather than dropping a baby every two years, and then forgetting about it until it's "picture time."

If she's depressed, I would hope (pointlessly) that she'll get some professional help, but having babies doesn't cure depression, and I have a lot more compassion for her children -- both real and potential -- than I do for her.

I think she would like something like volunteering with Habitat for Humanity if they operate in her area. She seems to be pretty handy and enjoys that kind of thing. Maybe through her husband's church she could get a group together to volunteer.  Not the usual pastor's wife thing, but why not? 

 

[AstridM]

When do Duggars ever volunteer to help others (unless it’s filmed for pay)?

[Dehumidifier]

21 minutes ago, AstridM said:

When do Duggars ever volunteer to help others (unless it’s filmed for pay)?

Publicizing the church could help it grow. I'm sure she wants it to grow. 

[quarks]

8 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I woke up this morning to Twitter roasting Jessa over this after People Magazine published an article about it. 

https://people.com/parents/jessa-duggar-reveals-she-suffered-a-miscarriage/

 

And she was trending again this evening on Twitter over this.

[Gemma Violet]

Quite a few press outlets have picked up the story.

[lascuba]

On 2/25/2023 at 8:42 AM, GeeGolly said:

Because technically this would have been Jessa's 6th, if they counted the previous miscarriage.

Funny how the Duggars always forget their belief that an embryo is the same as a child when it comes to counting how many kids they have.

On 2/25/2023 at 12:24 PM, BitterApple said:

I haven't followed Jessa in a while, but watched both videos. I'm genuinely sorry for her loss, but even before the miscarriage, she struck me as profoundly depressed. Her affect is so flat and disconnected, I sense getting out of bed every day is a struggle. Being the married daughter who's stayed closest to the fold has had a really negative affect on her. I wonder if Jessa took the loss so hard because the baby was the most opportunity she's had to get excited about something in years. I just felt so bad for her. 

The only times Jessa publicly displays deep, overwhelming emotion is when she gives birth. Those seem to be really happy times for her and I can see why she wants to repeat the experience, since normal, everyday life seems to be such a drag. I wish real, not fundie-approved therapy was on the table for her, because I agree that she's seemed depressed for a long time.

 

 

[GeeGolly]

I don't see Jessa as depressed at all. She displays a full range of emotions - well as much as we can see through videos and SM posts and comments. As has been noted before, Jessa is just not over the top like some of her siblings.

I'm going to guess Jessa is actually happier and more pleased with her life than Jill is. Not that I think Jill is depressed, but I think she still struggles with not having the life she planned. Most see the changes in Jill's life as good, but it doesn't mean she does.

 

[lascuba]

5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't see Jessa as depressed at all. She displays a full range of emotions - well as much as we can see through videos and SM posts and comments. As has been noted before, Jessa is just not over the top like some of her siblings.

I'm going to guess Jessa is actually happier and more pleased with her life than Jill is. Not that I think Jill is depressed, but I think she still struggles with not having the life she planned. Most see the changes in Jill's life as good, but it doesn't mean she does.

 

Yes, I think Jessa is living the life that Jill wants, just with a less competent husband. I wouldn't say Jessa is all that happy, though I have to admit my biases have always made me more sympathetic towards Jessa than the rest of them.

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Yes, I think Jessa is living the life that Jill wants, just with a less competent husband. I wouldn't say Jessa is all that happy, though I have to admit my biases have always made me more sympathetic towards Jessa than the rest of them.

Just to expand further...

I see Jessa as someone who feels her emotions and moves on. She doesn't exaggerate her sadness or her happiness, etc, and she doesn't wallow in her emotions.

Jessa has her kids, who I think she enjoys, has the house of her dreams, has a husband who lets her be herself, seems to be financially secure, is close with her family and she has her faith. 

We each have our own picket fence dreams and what makes one happy may not satisfy another, but I think Jessa is happily right where she wants to be.

[Notabug]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Just to expand further...

I see Jessa as someone who feels her emotions and moves on. She doesn't exaggerate her sadness or her happiness, etc, and she doesn't wallow in her emotions.

Jessa has her kids, who I think she enjoys, has the house of her dreams, has a husband who lets her be herself, seems to be financially secure, is close with her family and she has her faith. 

We each have our own picket fence dreams and what makes one happy may not satisfy another, but I think Jessa is happily right where she wants to be.

I agree.  I think that Jessa is just not terribly introspective.  She takes life as it comes, doesn't ponder anything too deeply and then moves on.  Jill is not like her; she is someone who needs to think about her feelings and tends to obsess a bit if things aren't exactly what she expected.  She cannot roll with the punches the way Jessa does.  It's not good or bad, wrong or right; they're just very different in the way they cope with life.

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, Notabug said:

I agree.  I think that Jessa is just not terribly introspective.  She takes life as it comes, doesn't ponder anything too deeply and then moves on.  Jill is not like her; she is someone who needs to think about her feelings and tends to obsess a bit if things aren't exactly what she expected.  She cannot roll with the punches the way Jessa does.  It's not good or bad, wrong or right; they're just very different in the way they cope with life.

I agree with you, we saw this prime example in how Jill and Jessa reacted in the Megan Kelly interview. 

Both girls were no less victimized, but Jill was distraught and displayed that, I think she was deeply ashamed that people knew (not that she had anything to be ashamed of) and was embarrassed. Jessa was upset that her brother and his actions had hurt them AGAIN (perhaps losing the show etc), she in no way internalized what he did. Jill responds in a way that is much more "female coded" so I think a lot of people empathize with that. Where as Jessa comes off as "cold"- I have plenty of criticisms of Jessa, but being "cold" isn't one of them.

[SMama]

Who thinks Jessa authored this message?

 

[lookeyloo]

Agree with "all y'all" who described Jessa.  Sometimes it happens that we think "I wouldn't be like that" or "I would do this or that" and without realizing it, we put that on the other person and assume (you know what happens when we assume!) that she feels like me, you, or the lamppost.  Not singling anyone out, because I think it is a tendency that a lot of us have.  I used to tell Sweet Son that there were a lot of right ways to do things, and they don't have to be the way he or I would, which were often different too. And also, we see Jessa in front of a camera, and that is hard to do -be natural, natural for her, keep train of thought, maybe think what viewers would want/don't want/or not.  I watch some other allegedly "normal" folks do videos and some are much better because of the personality.

[Salacious Kitty]

13 minutes ago, SMama said:

Who thinks Jessa authored this message?

 

She's just clapping back at all the idiotic talk that she had an abortion. I can't stand Jessa, but geez, her fetus died in utero and didn't miscarry on its own. She just happens to live in a state that still performs D&Cs. Forcing a woman to wait to expel the dead fetus on its own can be fraught with danger. 

I actually side with Jessa on this one, aside from the pro-life rhetoric she threw in there.

[Notabug]

28 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

She's just clapping back at all the idiotic talk that she had an abortion. I can't stand Jessa, but geez, her fetus died in utero and didn't miscarry on its own. She just happens to live in a state that still performs D&Cs. Forcing a woman to wait to expel the dead fetus on its own can be fraught with danger. 

I actually side with Jessa on this one, aside from the pro-life rhetoric she threw in there.

If there is an ultrasound showing that the fetus is no longer alive, doing a D&C is fine in every state.  That's what Heartbeat Bills do:  if there's a heartbeat, it is illegal.  If there is no heartbeat, it is legal.

I practice OB/GYN in a state with a heartbeat law, Jessa would have no problem scheduling a D&C here.  

The big problems occur when the mother is having issues like heavy bleeding or her water breaks before the baby reaches viability (somewhere around 24 weeks) and the baby still has a heartbeat.  Then, it is a matter of opinion as to what constitutes a situation where the mother's life is in danger and physicians are wary of terminating the pregnancy for fear of being reported.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

If there is an ultrasound showing that the fetus is no longer alive, doing a D&C is fine in every state.  That's what Heartbeat Bills do:  if there's a heartbeat, it is illegal.  If there is no heartbeat, it is legal.

I practice OB/GYN in a state with a heartbeat law, Jessa would have no problem scheduling a D&C here.  

The big problems occur when the mother is having issues like heavy bleeding or her water breaks before the baby reaches viability (somewhere around 24 weeks) and the baby still has a heartbeat.  Then, it is a matter of opinion as to what constitutes a situation where the mother's life is in danger and physicians are wary of terminating the pregnancy for fear of being reported.

I've read many horror stories about women being denied D&Cs in situations like Jessa's. One woman went into sepsis and nearly died. This was in Texas. 

[AstridM]

3 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I've read many horror stories about women being denied D&Cs in situations like Jessa's. One woman went into sepsis and nearly died. This was in Texas. 

Fuck Jessa for judging ANY woman for the choices she makes in her own life. I don’t need to hear any more from her. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by AstridM

[sagittarius sue]

I've also read of delaying an operation on a woman with an ectopic pregnancy because a heartbeat was detected.  They finally operated when it ruptured, and the woman's life was in danger.

[Notabug]

17 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I've read many horror stories about women being denied D&Cs in situations like Jessa's. One woman went into sepsis and nearly died. This was in Texas. 

I know the case.  I actually know the doctor, I was one of his attendings when he did his residency at Cleveland Clinic. Terrific doc and wonderful human being who I am sure agonized over it. In that case, the baby still had a heartbeat against all odds, when the woman suffered a life threatening hemorrhage.  The docs were advised that she was not sick enough to justify terminating the pregnancy.  

She ended up in the ICU on a ventilator where she eventually developed a life threatening infection in her uterus.  Finally, the fetus no longer had a heartbeat and the doctors performed the D&C.  The fact that the delay lead to a serious infection that may well prevent her from having any more pregnancies was not enough to convince the non-medical people who were dictating her care.

[Notabug]

17 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I've also read of delaying an operation on a woman with an ectopic pregnancy because a heartbeat was detected.  They finally operated when it ruptured, and the woman's life was in danger.

I heard about that one and I have no words.  There is no way for an ectopic pregnancy in the tube to grow without the tube rupturing and there is no way to transfer the embryo to the uterus.  I live in a state where a particularly ignorant member of the legislature introduced a bill requiring doctors to attempt to transfer all tubal pregnancies to the uterus as part of the treatment.  No instruction as to how to actually accomplish this, of course. Luckily, his less gullible colleagues defeated the bill.

It is possible for some pregnancies to grow to maturity outside the womb.  Babies have been born after the placenta has implanted on the bowels, the bladder, even the outside of the uterus.  However, there is extreme risk of hemorrhage with an ectopic pregnancy that progresses and the chances of a live birth are small.  Placental abruptions leading to death of the baby and mother are a real possibility.  Luckily, it is extremely rare.  I've seen a couple in the past 40 years, one that got to 32 weeks,  They both happened in the early days of ultrasound when it could be difficult to determine the location of a pregnancy.  Neither one resulted in a live birth, both moms survived.

[GeeGolly]

Did anyone on IG say Jessa had an abortion, or were they saying the procedure is the same?

Had Jessa did this video a while back I doubt anyone would have said, boo. But because of folks like Jessa its harder for women to get reproductive healthcare now. 

Mortician and murderer?? Really poor analogy. Removal of a non viable fetus is not embalming and terminating a pregnancy is not murder. Fuck-you Jessa, fuck-you.

[sATL]

Just read an article about Jessa's miscarriage and that they (she and Jinger I guess) are now NOT against birth control. 

https://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2023/02/24/former-counting-on-star-jessa-seewald-reveals-recent-miscarriage-gives-her-current-thoughts-on-using-birth-control/

Just what form of birth control do they use ?? Don't they all prevent fertilization ?  I was thinking they only would agree to use something like the rhythm/calendar-charting method.

source: https://www.fda.gov/media/150299/download) 

Edited February 28, 2023 by sATL

[Absolom]

It sounds like Jessa may be fine with barrier methods as well as NFP.  

I think many of the opinions ascribed to the Duggar daughters have been made through assumptions that may not reflect all of the daughters' thought processes.  

[Zella]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Did anyone on IG say Jessa had an abortion, or were they saying the procedure is the same?

It's textbook Jessa being pissy and defensive after she got mad at the internet for not agreeing with her or forcing her to think about things she doesn't want to think about.

If she had any self-awareness to begin with, she would have realized what sort of discussion was going to kick off when she posted what she did about having a D and C. And instead of ignoring the discussion and going on her way or even trying to have a more nuanced view about it and some empathy for other women, she responds like a colossal bitch with a clapback that she thinks makes her sound like badass and just makes her sound like a dumbass. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Zella

[Salacious Kitty]

She was getting roasted for having a supposed abortion. There were people out there who didn't realize she had a missed miscarriage. She obviously got pissed and felt backed into a corner defensive.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

There were people out there who didn't realize she had a missed miscarriage.

There were also people trying to make a very intentional point about it being the same procedure precisely because of the mental hoops people like Jessa try to jump through. But God forbid anyone try to educate this hateful little cunt. I don't call her a cunt lightly. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Zella

[Medium]

Well well well, Jessa had an D&C.  An actual abortion, in my mind. The same procedure millions of women have undertaken, because their very lives were at stake. Or because they made very personal decisions that were their own business.  

Mother Nature is cruel at times, and I'm sorry any woman has to go through this. Even in her case.

In Jessa's case, though, it is decidedly not an abortion because Jesus, and y'all need to stop the hating, because hers is godly!

Give her a bit of time to heal, and she will be shaming and shouting at women at clinics because they are not godly like her. 

I'd like to be kind about this, and I'm trying.

But she and her family have not been kind to other women, so it's quite a struggle.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Medium