Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

[Oldernowiser]

Well, I was going to say that if a hospital is relying only on nail color to assess blood oxygen levels, that's pretty terrible...

and then I remembered who we're talking about here. Jessa, lose the nail polish.

Sigh.

[MargeGunderson]

Given how trendy Jessa tries to be, do you all think that Ben will get her a push present that she can display in her selfies? Maybe another ring he "designed?" (I really hate the whole obligatory push present thing)

[lookeyloo]

From what I understand about oxygen levels is that they use that little device that goes over a finger to measure oxygen saturation. So we were told it doesn't matter about nail polish.

[Zahdii]

Given how trendy Jessa tries to be, do you all think that Ben will get her a push present that she can display in her selfies? Maybe another ring he "designed?" (I really hate the whole obligatory push present thing)

 

What's a push present, and why didn't I get one?

[GeeGolly]

What's a push present, and why didn't I get one?

Another trend. I 1st heard about it 17 years ago when my niece had her twins. Her hubby bought her a ring for "pushing" out the twins.

[doodlebug]

Nail polish is not that big a deal in a regular hospital as we have little gizmos (pulse oximeters) that go over the finger like a clothespin and measure the oxygen levels.  The only time nail polish is a problem is when it is a really thick fake nail in a dark color or with embellishments.  Even then, we just need one finger, so, if anything needs removed, it's just one.  Toes are almost never used for a pulse ox.

 

Since Jessa is probably delivering at home with her poorly trained sister managing things, she's got bigger things to worry about than her pedicure.  I doubt Jill can assess oxygenation by evaluating nailbeds, let alone do anything useful about it if it was found to be lacking.

 

Yep, "push presents" are a thing mostly amongst celebs and the materially obsessed.  It's usually a nice piece of jewelry amongst those who can afford such things.  Not that it's not a good thing for a husband to express his gratitude for his wife's sacrifices during pregnancy and birth or to commemorate the birth of their child; but 'push present' sounds kinda vapid and materialistic to me.

[kandinski]

I get a strange "vibe" from Bens mother....

Edited October 18, 2015 by kandinski

[RazzleberryPie]

I get a strange "vibe" from Bens mother....

I kind of do, too, I think she's very sweet and nice, but seems constantly terrified of upsetting someone (probably her husband).

Yep, "push presents" are a thing mostly amongst celebs and the materially obsessed.  It's usually a nice piece of jewelry amongst those who can afford such things.  Not that it's not a good thing for a husband to express his gratitude for his wife's sacrifices during pregnancy and birth or to commemorate the birth of their child; but 'push present' sounds kinda vapid and materialistic to me.

Totally agree. Expressing sincere gratitude is a lovely gesture, but demanding and expensive push present to brag is obnoxious. I think most of the people who insist on these really can't afford them, either, they just demand it and ignore the debt.

[GeeGolly]

I kind of do, too, I think she's very sweet and nice, but seems constantly terrified of upsetting someone (probably her husband).

Ben's mom fawned over Jessa. Even to the point of saying Ben's out of his league. Other than that she seems to at least have a little class.

[kokapetl]

She certainly looks terrified. A terrified Julianne Moore.

[RazzleberryPie]

I guess the scared look could be some camera shyness, but I've seen too many women terrified they won't say the 'correct' (domineering husband approved) phrases have the same demeanor.

[Tabbygirl521]

From what I understand about oxygen levels is that they use that little device that goes over a finger to measure oxygen saturation. So we were told it doesn't matter about nail polish.

Exactly. When I have been a patient in recent years, nail polish was not an issue.

ETA: or what Doodlebug said.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Tabbygirl521

[cmr2014]

It occurred to me that they might have planned to take a commercial flight, and the flight may have required written permission from a medical professional to fly. They may have thought that they could just drop into a doctor's office and grab a note and be off, but no doctor was willing to take "Jill says it's fine." at face value and sign-off on this without an examination. 

[roamyn]

I think 'push presents' are nice - IF you can afford them, which Benessa clearly can not.

I got some nice flowers, because that was in our budget. Saved one from each bouquet for the baby books. But if I had a baby at this stage, I would want jewelr because now that we can afford it, I collect it.

[OhioMom]

So like Feynman diagrams for theology?

A bit, perhaps, depending on how "into" it one got. I did one of these Bible studies a few years ago (honestly, I don't have the patience, or whatever is needed for them!).....everytime a word got mentioned 3 times, that was important, and you had to underline, or circle it in this specific color.  You put squiggly lines under references to water; You circled "God"....and on and on.

[Julia]

A bit, perhaps, depending on how "into" it one got. I did one of these Bible studies a few years ago (honestly, I don't have the patience, or whatever is needed for them!).....everytime a word got mentioned 3 times, that was important, and you had to underline, or circle it in this specific color.  You put squiggly lines under references to water; You circled "God"....and on and on.

 

I had no idea. That sounds a little like kaballah. 

[BitterApple]

Given how trendy Jessa tries to be, do you all think that Ben will get her a push present that she can display in her selfies? Maybe another ring he "designed?" (I really hate the whole obligatory push present thing)

Yes. One thing I've noticed about Fundie girls and Instagram is they're very much into one-upping each other and showing how much their husband treats them like a pampered princess. Erin Bates is big on that and Jessa is as well. I'm sure Jessa will be all over social media bragging about how Bin is the Bestest Dad Evah.

[doodlebug]

It occurred to me that they might have planned to take a commercial flight, and the flight may have required written permission from a medical professional to fly. They may have thought that they could just drop into a doctor's office and grab a note and be off, but no doctor was willing to take "Jill says it's fine." at face value and sign-off on this without an examination. 

 

This is a common fallacy.  There is no medical reason why pregnant women, even at term, cannot fly.  An airline cannot request a doctor's note or any other such baloney from anyone.  If they're going to allow the little old lady with the walker on the plane as well as the elderly man needing oxygen, there is absolutely no reason to refuse boarding to a pregnant woman.  In fact, it is discrimination.  Pregnancy is not a disability, it is a physiologic condition, one that doesn't limit a woman's ability to do all sorts of everyday things, including fly on pressurized aircraft.

 

Airlines do have guidelines and would prefer that pregnant women not fly commercial flights after 32-34 weeks or so, but they cannot prevent it anymore than they can prevent someone with a leg in a cast or wearing eyeglasses from flying.  What are they going to do?  Ask every female who looks like she might be pregnant what her due date is?  What if she lies?  What if she isn't pregnant?  What if she's got another medical condition like liver disease or a tumor causing her big belly?  Then what?  No way airlines are opening that can of worms.

 

I advise my pregnant patients that they will probably want to stay on the ground after 34 weeks because the seats are uncomfortable, the seat belts don't fit right and pregnant legs swell more than non-pregnant ones, but a couple hours on a domestic flight isn't going to hurt anyone.  I once had a patient who was British.  When she was 37 weeks pregnant, her father died suddenly in England.  She came to see me to get a checkup and a copy of her records, 'just in case.'. She then flew to London and spent a week with her family and flew back to the US in time to deliver around her due date.  It was winter, she wore a heavy coat, but she said no one said a word to her about anything at any time, never was an issue.  I told her I didn't recommend long flights due to the risks of phlebitis in pregnancy, but there was no way she wasn't going, so I gave her advice on prevention.

 

As for Jessa, I think the 'unforeseen circumstances' was her less than enthusiastic reception at the other Southern Women's Conferences.  Everybody knows what she is going to say and nobody cares.  The organizers were probably more than happy to let her off the hook in exchange for getting a couple of her lesser known siblings who haven't publicly minimized child sexual abuse on TV.

[CofCinci]

Joshiah had to sign his autograph on photos of Ben and Jessa.

https://instagram.com/p/881oIOA4ol/?tagged=josiah

[emma675]

How old is Josiah? He seems super young to have such a terribly receding hairline.

[CofCinci]

How old is Josiah? He seems super young to have such a terribly receding hairline.

He's 19.  The receding hairline is probably from the stress of being sent to a Conversion therapy camp/ALERT.

[Guest]

Ben/Jessa could go away to a marriage retreat with her parents, but not to their scheduled speaking event. Go figure. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/photos/pcb.725948637538788/725948514205467/?type=3&theater

[CofCinci]

The marriage retreat probably paid more.

[Quof]

Airlines most certainly can, and do, impose restrictions on travel by pregnant women. For example, for a woman who is past 36 weeks, United requires a certificate from an OB who has examined her within the last 72 hours and attests she is not likely to give birth until after the last flight on her itinerary. BTW, they can also refuse transport to anyone whose medical conditions is such that they might require emergency care while in flight. 

[Fuzzysox]

The marriage retreat probably paid more.

Hmm they haven't been married long enough or are they having issues already?

 

They both look like they have been crying and MEchelle looks like she keeps shrinking.

[Sew Sumi]

Jessa flew to Birmingham last weekend. She was still past 36 weeks then. Girlfriend decided that hanging with her in laws, Sierra, and a lame marriage retreat were more important...likely because TLC filmed stuff.

[kokapetl]

Looks like the place JimBob took the girls in "Duggars and Daughters"

[Julia]

They both look like they have been crying and MEchelle looks like she keeps shrinking.

I wonder how good an idea it is for Michelle to be rollerskating. She must have bone density like a bird at this point.

[Sew Sumi]

Looks like the place JimBob took the girls in "Duggars and Daughters"

It is.

[cissyboo1]

Reading leghumper comments makes my head hurt.  The wanton misuse of punctuation!  The rampant abuse of the exclamation point!!   The sickening fawning!

[doodlebug]

Airlines most certainly can, and do, impose restrictions on travel by pregnant women. For example, for a woman who is past 36 weeks, United requires a certificate from an OB who has examined her within the last 72 hours and attests she is not likely to give birth until after the last flight on her itinerary. BTW, they can also refuse transport to anyone whose medical conditions is such that they might require emergency care while in flight. 

This only works if the pregnant woman is honest however.  The fact of the matter is that, if a pregnant woman wants to travel by air after 36 weeks, it is extremely unlikely that anyone is going to ask her how far along she is, let alone demand she produce a doctor's note.  And, if a woman is confronted, she can always claim to be less than 36 weeks and who is going to prove she isn't?  Sure, an airline can deny boarding to anyone who appears to have a medical condition that might require emergency care, but who decides?  What criteria do they use?  If a pregnant woman appears to be having contractions or has amniotic fluid dripping down her leg perhaps, but, otherwise, the airlines aren't going to turn away paying customers because some low level clerk thinks they might give birth.

 

As far as a doctor's note, how in heaven's name can any doctor be psychic?  Pregnant women don't have an expiration date stamped on their bottom like canned goods.  If I write a note that a patient of mine is in good shape although term, how does that guarantee she won't give birth midflight tomorrow?  I can attest that she isn't in labor when I saw her and that the average labor for a first baby is 12-16 hours, but that's about it.  For that matter, anyone with a home computer and a printer can whip up a 'doctor's note' and sign it.  Do the airlines call the doctor and verify?  Insist it be notarized?  Of course not.  From my experience, the airlines are not turning away a paying customer if they can help it, not the old lady on oxygen, not the preggo who looks ready to pop.  The doctor's note 'rule' is unenforceable and worthless anyway.

 

I am aware there are guidelines, but they are virtually never enforced based on my 30 years experience in private practice.  The fact that Jessa and the rest of the Duggars have access to a private plane and pilot makes it even less likely that the reason she didn't appear at the conference was due to airline restrictions.  She surely could've gotten there if she'd wanted to and the airlines would have nothing to say about it.  And, as we've seen, her reasons for not attending the conference had nothing to do with air travel at all.

Edited October 18, 2015 by doodlebug

[kokapetl]

It is.

I guess it's probably being comped again for tv exposure, and since JimChelle are there, they'll be in that tv show.

[Sew Sumi]

I'm afraid you're right.

[Quof]

doodlebug, They may have chosen an airline that doesn't require such a certificate.  They may have simply lied about how far along she is - although, I would be surprised they don't make a big deal of Do You Know Who I Am when boarding an airplane, and it would be pretty easy to find her public statements about how far along she is.  So, say she lies so she doesn't need to provide the certificate. Because where would she get a certificate from an OB? Then she goes into labor during the flight and the flight has to be diverted. The lawyer in me likes to think the airline would sue her for their incredible costs, the same way they sue those whose conduct on board - a drunken fight, for example - causes a plane to be diverted

[Julia]

FWIW, I think the Southern Woman Shows were the best Jessa could do for gainful employment as a B-list celebrity. Now that she has TLC back, she's a teevee star and she doesn't need them any more. So she sent them B-list Duggars, and she's saving herself for finer things. If she'd still been relying on them for an income, I'm pretty sure she would have gotten there somehow.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Julia

[sometimesy]

Is it just one more stupid fundie rule that every pic of a pregnant mom must have the mother to be holding her bump, picture frame-like, with her baby daddy's hands alongside hers, as if to showcase their success in conceiving a baby? Memo to Fundies: at 8 months gestation, the entire world can recognize you're preggers. There is no need to' code' each pose with this 'See? I am pregnant with a warrior for the Lord!' stance.

 

Aaaand he is back at it again today. Hey everybody, look what I can do, impregnate my wife while my testicles are in my fil's possession. 20 years old and dumb in public. He needs a man injection, 'cause those football games aren't doing it. He is too much sheep, not enough wolf imo. Rawwwwr!

[louannems]

Ben/Jessa could go away to a marriage retreat with her parents, but not to their scheduled speaking event. Go figure. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/photos/pcb.725948637538788/725948514205467/?type=3&theater

Pregnant Jessa, just STOP holding your bump! The whole world knows you had unprotected sex with your unemployed teen husband.

[Fuzzysox]

Ok I held my bump when I was pregnant only because my twins where heavy. I was a skinny thing than I had this huge bowling ball attached to me that weighed me down. Holding it took the stress off of my skin that was being overpulled.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[bigskygirl]

JB and Jessa's shirt color match. Michelle's blouse looks like a too colorful Hawaiian tourist shirt.

[Fuzzysox]

JB and Jessa's shirt color match. Michelle's blouse looks like a too colorful Hawaiian tourist shirt.

Hey that's MEchelle fancy wedding top that she wore to Famy's wedding.

[OhioMom]

Yes. One thing I've noticed about Fundie girls and Instagram is they're very much into one-upping each other and showing how much their husband treats them like a pampered princess. Erin Bates is big on that and Jessa is as well. I'm sure Jessa will be all over social media bragging about how Bin is the Bestest Dad Evah.

 

Kinda like...that gypsy show?? They're always showing off their mobile homes, houses and such.  (My mom lived in a trailer in a park -- I have nothing against them!)

[sometimesy]

Ok I held my bump when I was pregnant only because my twins where heavy. I was a skinny thing than I had this huge bowling ball attached to me that weighed me down. Holding it took the stress off of my skin that was being overpulled.

I can understand a woman naturally holding her belly, but did ya wear their father as a knapsack? Maybe Bin is holding up her stomach as well as her purse, who knows.

[KittyS]

I really hope their baby is born on Halloween and they can spend years explaining to the kid why it's not allowed to celebrate the horrible, satanic holiday (Halloween, not its birthday)

[GeeGolly]

I can understand a woman naturally holding her belly, but did ya wear their father as a knapsack? Maybe Bin is holding up her stomach as well as her purse, who knows.

Too funny!

[Brown eyed girl]

So I'm watching TLC and saw a commercial which featured Jill and Jessa. Talking about their lives being ruined and how will they go on . Turns out their show will air in Dec. it's called Jill and Jessa counting on. I think it's 3 specials. I can't wait. Lol. Bet y'all can't wait either.

[Guest]

First person who posts a link to this commercial wins a prize!

[GeeGolly]

First person who posts a link to this commercial wins a prize!

http://www.tlc.com/jill-jessa-counting-on/counting-on-digital-exclusive/

[SomePity1066]

First person who posts a link to this commercial wins a prize!

 

 

http://www.tlc.com/jill-jessa-counting-on/counting-on-digital-exclusive/

 

What does she win ?!?! What does she win ?!?!

[Guest]

What does she win ?!?! What does she win ?!?!

 

Um, a virtual side hug?

Edited October 19, 2015 by Guest

[GeeGolly]

Um, a virtual side hug?

Side hug?!