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Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House


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Jessa thrives on intentionally vague statements. I translate her statement to, "if we get picked up for another tv show, we'll stay where we are. If we don't, Bin will go to preacher kollege somewheres. I want to threaten my family and fans with the thought of us moving, because you're not the boss of me anymore. Truth be told, I'm terrified outside the Duggar bubble, but I can take a selfie anywhere."

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Somehow I can picture Jessa handling birth better than Jill did. It's been long enough that I don't remember the details, but I do remember that Jill had grandiose visions of how it would go bc as a midwife, she knew everything there was to know re birth and then she ended up taking stupid chances. With Jessa -- I can see her having a more pragmatic, get this kid out of me and get me an epidural so I don't feel much -- kind of attitude. I think those kinds of people end up deferring more to OBs/educated professionals as long as they have the pain relief they need -- which gives them less room to make stupid decisions.

I agree, Jessa probably isn't even considering some idealized all natural cod liver oil home birth. Michelle used legit medical specialists most of the time, so there's no shame in Jessa going that route.
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When I was looking at colleges, it didn't take a lot of effort to see the distance from my home and realize whether I could commute or would need to look into housing. 

 

Yes, but you could read, read a map, and add. .... You also weren't trying to create a teaser for a possible new tv season.

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Oh I think that if Jessa has (God forbid) the same complications as Jill, Jessa will handle it a whole lot faster and better. Jill is full of skewed knowledge and statements that she has perceived as fact, but she has no wisdom or ability to make decent decisions. She can't process her facts into real life situations. Jessa is tons more practical and direct. I also think she'll tease and tempt her fans, but then, just like her first kiss, she won't film hard labor.

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She actually cirçled the word God!!! Really, I mean shes reading a bible, so why would she circle God??? She's just doodling and trying to look all scholarly and extra christian and religious!

She really doesn't understand that it makes her look really stupid. Her whole IG page is gross food, underlined words, selfies and Jesus talk. SNOOZE . Boring.

She needs to take a note from Erin (bates) Paine. I am very different from Erin but I do enjoy her IG posts and find her interesting.

 

Erin is evidence that you can be devoutly religious without being a self righteous, boring, bigot. 

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She really doesn't understand that it makes her look really stupid. Her whole IG page is gross food, underlined words, selfies and Jesus talk. SNOOZE . Boring.

 

And Jessa's Jesus talk is almost all about how evil, bad, flawed, crummy, rotten, sin-ridden, worthless pieces of stuff all humans are. .... Now, I do get that as a theology and/or philosophy. But I don't know how she imagines it comes across when it's combined with a massive collection of the most self-satisfied selfies I've ever seen -- plus a million pictures of average-guy Ben posing to show off what he imagines is his gloriousness as a male specimen. .... It's truly weird. And thoughtless, as usual.

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And Jessa's Jesus talk is almost all about how evil, bad, flawed, crummy, rotten, sin-ridden, worthless pieces of stuff all humans are. .... Now, I do get that as a theology and/or philosophy. But I don't know how she imagines it comes across when it's combined with a massive collection of the most self-satisfied selfies I've ever seen -- plus a million pictures of average-guy Ben posing to show off what he imagines is his gloriousness as a male specimen. .... It's truly weird. And thoughtless, as usual.

She sometimes reflects on how much she loves us all, and that's why she needs to share God's word. She cares. She doesn't want us to have to go to hell.

It's patronizing as fuck. And, even without the smug photo gallery, the message is evidently, "YOU people are all sinners." Incredibly off-putting. Even more so because they're like twelve years old.

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She sometimes reflects on how much she loves us all, and that's why she needs to share God's word. She cares. She doesn't want us to have to go to hell.

It's patronizing as fuck. And, even without the smug photo gallery, the message is evidently, "YOU people are all sinners." Incredibly off-putting. Even more so because they're like twelve years old.

 

That's about the size of it.

 

And, once again, I really do feel sorry for these kids whose parents deliberately put them in the position of being so disliked by so many people. Whose stupid greedy arrogant parents pimped out their (understandable) immaturity, along with their childhoods, for display to the whole damned world. I almost hope they continue to be this stupid for their whole lives so they never have to look back reeling in horror at the stuff they're perpetrating today and people's response to it. .... Of course, for the sake of their innocent babies -- now doomed to be on reality tv as well, at least for a little while -- I also hope that they mature into reasonable people within, oh, the next month or so.

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Betting Jessa sat through some fire and brimstone sermon and the minister said "NOW CIRCLE THE WORD GOD" and gave directions on how to mark your Bible according to his sermon. That's why it makes zero sense to the viewer because we didn't hear the sermon and all we see is scribble scrabble.

Been there. Done that. ;)

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...I really do feel sorry for these kids whose parents deliberately put them in the position of being so disliked by so many people. Whose stupid greedy arrogant parents pimped out their (understandable) immaturity, along with their childhoods, for display to the whole damned world. I almost hope they continue to be this stupid for their whole lives so they never have to look back reeling in horror at the stuff they're perpetrating today and people's response to it.

 

Of course, for the sake of their innocent babies -- now doomed to be on reality tv as well, at least for a little while -- I also hope that the parents mature into reasonable people within, oh, the next month or so.

 

This!  I wish people would copy and paste this to all of Jessa's social media accounts, maybe while she's deleting like hell she'll accidentally absorb some of the content.

 

And if anyone feels like it, send a few copies to Jill.

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Speaking of her ridiculous ig, i guess sue posted a pic of bin with free coffee ( the car ahead paid) and she somehow linked it back to salvation ( jesus paid for our sins, strangers pay for her coffee....ok)

 

Apparently in the FIRST version of the  post she said that they didnt pay a dime and people are calling them out saying they should have paid it forward ect ect. They really are clueless! They need a PR person, really. 

 

Quoted from the article"

Comments on the picture include, "@jessaseewald did u pay it forward?", "Please tell me you paid it forward? Tsk tsk if you broke the chain!", "Did you pay for the people behind you! That's what Jesus would do!", and "Pay it foward [sic], hopefully you guys did as well."

"You deleted the part where you said 'and we didn't pay a dime' ... Why did you do that?? Bc you didn't pay if forward," user staysay wrote.

plls23shared similar sentiments, writing, "She edited the post and removed the part saying that they drove away without paying a dime. Pretty disappointing that this family accepts so much charity without giving back."

 

One critic, jehshie, also slammed Duggar for using this random act of kindness as a lecture. "Also, really? You take a good deed and turn it into a lecture?" they wrote."

 

 

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1098023/jessa-duggar-turns-strangers-random-act-of-kindness-into-lecture-photo-instagram

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Lol, we all know damn well they didn't pay it forward. The Duggars only perform acts of kindness when it's self-serving. Oh, and when there's a camera crew on hand to catch it.

I'm laughing at the other pic Jessa posted of a Chik Fil A sandwich where she prefaced the caption with "we normally don't eat fast food..." Bitch please, you and your man-child hubby live in greasy fast food restaurants. A third of her social media posts are dedicated to milkshakes and fried chicken.

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It just occurred to me that maybe Jessa is doing actual Bible study/reading for the first time. You know, since she got married. All those years growing up, maybe they didn't actually read the Bible, but just got sermons from JBoob and wisdom lessons from ATI.

 

More I think about it, studying the Bible would be pretty complex for most kids and teens. My daughter got into it in college, and my other young adult daughter has yet to study it. And I've only dabbled in it.

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It just occurred to me that maybe Jessa is doing actual Bible study/reading for the first time. You know, since she got married. All those years growing up, maybe they didn't actually read the Bible, but just got sermons from JBoob and wisdom lessons from ATI.

 

More I think about it, studying the Bible would be pretty complex for most kids and teens. My daughter got into it in college, and my other young adult daughter has yet to study it. And I've only dabbled in it.

 

You know, I never thought about it that way, but you could easily be right. I can't imagine that Jim  Bob let them have much time with more than carefully cherrypicked sections of the actual bible. There's too much in there that doesn't say what he and his friends at ATI say it does, and it's not as if he could answer questions if one of the kids wanted to know why they're not doing what the inerrant book says.

 

That would have to be pretty intoxicating for Jessa, being able to combine being holier than thou and knowing more about God than her father does.

 

Then if she gets through it she'll be ready to tackle Infinite Jest :)

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I'm the contrarian here. Quite honestly, I think the pay it forward chain is incredibly stupid unless the money goes into a kitty to pay for coffee for the homeless or somebody who didn't realize they lost their wallet or something. ....

 

To me, you pay for somebody's drink or groceries or whatever because you spontaneously want to brighten up some random (or not random) person's day. But once it turns into a chain, nobody's going to have a day brightener except one person: the person who breaks the chain. The only person who ever gets a free drink from these "chains" that just go down a customer line is that person -- the infamous chain breaker ... And that's, presumably, the least generous person who drove by all day. Why should that person get a free drink? (I realize that occasionally it might be somebody who has no other money except the money they were going to use to pay for the drink -- but honestly why don't you make coffee at home if you have as little money as that? You don't need Starbucks.)

 

This chain-that's-not-for-the poor doesn't seem like  "paying it forward." Paying it forward is putting the money into the world in a way that presumably does some good. Paying for the drink of the least generous person in the Starbuck's line doesn't seem to fit the bill, to me. If there weren't a "chain," then even if the money wasn't for the poor, I can see how paying for the person in line behind you would be "paying it forward." It would be a random act of kindness that would probably give the person in the car behind you a smile and a brighter morning and maybe inspire them to do something nice for someone else somewhere else. But once the "chain" becomes the custom, everybody (except Jessa and I!) know that getting your coffee paid for just means that you'll be paying for someone else's in a basically robotic action that probably doesn't make anyone happy. The "chain" "free coffee" won't make you smile and feel grateful so that you're inspired that afternoon to pay for the order of the young mom struggling with a cranky toddler who's in the drugstore line behind you. A random and surprising free coffee that you know you actually don't have to pay for might.

 

For once, I don't blame Jessa. I'm sure she didn't know about these apparently famous chains. (I'm biased here -- I didn't either.) And she made what to me is the reasonable assumption that paying for somebody's drink was just a spontaneous gesture. I would have, too. Unlike Jessa, I would have felt like crap taking the drink and probably would have paid for it anyway. But still.

 

Anyway. Dumb custom, to me.

 

End of rant.

Edited by Churchhoney
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What Churchhoney said. I don't quite get the point of the chain thing; everyone still ends up paying for one coffee and getting one for "free", it just seems like an overly complicated way of making people feel generous when they're not really being so. In some cafés around here there are "Free coffee"-tins that people can pay into if they wish and then others can have free coffee if they wish (usually homeless people or someone who's feeling a bit short on money) which makes more sense to me than a chain.

 

I don't think Jessa knew about the pay-it-forward chain, otherwise she wouldn't have posted that she got  the coffee for free. Jessa wants to look good but she's too ignorant of the world around her and too much of a Duggar to properly succeed; instead there are constant gaffes like these that make her look tone-deaf and clueless.

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A real seminary would blow Ben's mind. I wonder if he understands that there is more to it than Bible study. I don't think he's been exposed to actually theology, which is not the same as Bible study. Throw some of the major theological controversies at him and watch him melt down. If asked about predestination I don't think he would even know what that is, but more importantly I don't think he would care. That's sad.

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The Starbucks coffee thing is kind of a fun game but I don't think its really paying it forward as so well stated in the posts above mine. I have paid for people in the check-out line who are having trouble with change or something like that when its a small amount because I want them OUT OF MY WAY. I'm a curmudgeon that way but at least I smile and act gracious about it and then don't post about my wonderful self on facebook. (yes, I see the irony of posting about it here but I did fess up to having ulterior curmudgeon motives)

 

I hope Jessa thinks about some of the posts she deletes and it broadens her understanding of society beyond her current small world. Jesus would approve...

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 Needs a Public Relations 101 class, stat. Maybe they could also enroll her eejit hubby, and Jill and Derick, for a group tuition rate. 

 

They definitely do need this ... Of course, I hope they don't, since having them become more "sly" (like that brother Jessa kind of admires) then fewer people would be getting a clue about what jerks they are!

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She sometimes reflects on how much she loves us all, and that's why she needs to share God's word. She cares. She doesn't want us to have to go to hell.

It's patronizing as fuck. And, even without the smug photo gallery, the message is evidently, "YOU people are all sinners." Incredibly off-putting. Even more so because they're like twelve years old.

 

She reminds me of a grade school kid who gets some small amount of power (e.g. a Hall Monitor), and goes completely nuts lording her tiny bit of power over everyone else. That kid never cared if her schoolmates get hurt running in the hall, she's glorying in writing them all up and getting them in trouble.

 

The idea that Jessa genuinely cares about anyone else is preposterous --  she simply wants the pleasure of being the one who gets to tell them how awful they are. I think that that's what all of the highlighting and underlining is about. I see her reading through the Bible and mentally composing what she thinks is an airtight smackdown directed at anyone who would dare to challenge her -- God so loved the world that . . .

 

She's immature, uneducated, self-absorbed, and entitled -- gee, who does that sound like? The adult Duggar children were always going to destroy the franchise -- they're their parents children -- and they have social media accounts. In order to know how awful JB and J'chelle are, you would have had to really pay attention to their dull-as-dishwater show. Even when people knew how awful the parents were, they still held out hope for the kids. Now that three of them have some level of autonomy, the results are pretty awful.

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I think Bin wants to be a Rich and Famous Televangelist. He's, what, 19? I don't think he's had to wrap his mind around any kind of serious theology, or spent even five minutes in any kind of logic class. I doubt that he's given any thought to the realities of being pastor of a church (or a lower-ranking associate pastor in a big church), which means ministering to his congregation in ways that are often tiring and inconvenient.* I think he sees himself standing up there at the pulpit, giving grand sermons which leave people gasping in religious ecstasy, and swooning down the aisle shouting "Praise The Lord!! I am saved!!!"

I absolutely agree. "Real" ministry involves helping people in ways other than just spouting Bible verses. Have we seen Ben (or Jessa for that matter) volunteer at a soup kitchen, do community outreach, or anything like that? I'd think they would certainly post that on social media, so that's probably not high on their lists. I don't see them being terribly active in their community in the way that ministers are typically expected to be.

(A large) Part of the appeal of being a minister for Ben is probably being a figure of authority to a lot of people who will look up to him and think he's right. That's not unusual in ministers; many of the ones I went to divinity school with had pretty good-sized egos.

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Aww cmon you guys the chain is great. It's a double feel good moment. "0h somebody bought me coffee, how nice" and "I'm going to buy the guy behind me coffee so he can be surprised too" it's a win/win. I honestly thought everybody loved this....

Lmfao, what happens if the person behind you is some snot in a 70k Escalade buying $60 worth of Frappuccinos and lemon bread for herself and her kids? Where do you draw the line? Edited by BitterApple
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I think Bin wants to be a Rich and Famous Televangelist. He's, what, 19? I don't think he's had to wrap his mind around any kind of serious theology, or spent even five minutes in any kind of logic class. I doubt that he's given any thought to the realities of being pastor of a church (or a lower-ranking associate pastor in a big church), which means ministering to his congregation in ways that are often tiring and inconvenient.* I think he sees himself standing up there at the pulpit, giving grand sermons which leave people gasping in religious ecstasy, and swooning down the aisle shouting "Praise The Lord!! I am saved!!!"

 

I saw a Facebook meme the other day, contrasting Joel Osteen's flying home from a church service on his private jet, with Pope Francis, flying home from his US trip in first class on a commercial airline (Al Italia, I assume, but still, no private plane even for the Pope). And thought immediately of Bin. He hankers to be Joel Osteen.

 

*Like, it's 5:30 am, and the phone rings, and it's a member of the congregation who needs to get to work but his car won't start. Yes, there are Christian people who answer those calls not by vomiting scripture, but by throwing on some clothes and driving that person to work. Not sure how often Bin would do that. 

 

I agree 100%. A young man who is trying to decide between"actor" and "minister" is not thinking of performing the day-to-day duties of a minister.

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I've never heard of the chain thing either, though, in my defense, I get Staruck's roughly twice a year. Now, I suppose that if one of these times I had found out someone had paid for my drink, I'd have been mildly confused and possibly told the store to save that "payment" for someone else. And I would hope I didn't go out looking as though I couldn't afford my own. But in all reality, since, obviously I was not yet caffeinated, I'd have most likely thought, "hmm...cool..." shrugged, and gone on to enjoy my free coffee...

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I've never heard of the chain thing either, though, in my defense, I get Staruck's roughly twice a year. Now, I suppose that if one of these times I had found out someone had paid for my drink, I'd have been mildly confused and possibly told the store to save that "payment" for someone else. And I would hope I didn't go out looking as though I couldn't afford my own. But in all reality, since, obviously I was not yet caffeinated, I'd have most likely thought, "hmm...cool..." shrugged, and gone on to enjoy my free coffee...

 

As far as I know, it's not really a Starbucks thing. The idea is that you buy something and -- because you have some change, or you see that the next person is line is a kid, probably struggling financally, or becuase you're in a good mood, whatever -- you buy the next guy a coffee (or a slice of pizza, or a bagel, or whatever). If the next person doesn't really need it -- maybe he's go plenty of cash, or is having a pretty great day himself -- he "pays it forward" so that the little gift will go to someone who will get some value out of it.

 

I think that the thinking is the Jessa and Ben have plenty and they certainly could have afforded to pay it forward. Personally, I'm a little ambivalent as to how this would work at Starbucks since there are certainly cheaper places to buy coffee if you're down on your luck.

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As far as I know, it's not really a Starbucks thing. The idea is that you buy something and -- because you have some change, or you see that the next person is line is a kid, probably struggling financally, or becuase you're in a good mood, whatever -- you buy the next guy a coffee (or a slice of pizza, or a bagel, or whatever). If the next person doesn't really need it -- maybe he's go plenty of cash, or is having a pretty great day himself -- he "pays it forward" so that the little gift will go to someone who will get some value out of it.

 

I think that the thinking is the Jessa and Ben have plenty and they certainly could have afforded to pay it forward. Personally, I'm a little ambivalent as to how this would work at Starbucks since there are certainly cheaper places to buy coffee if you're down on your luck.=

 

That's certainly some people's issue. But it looks to me as if most of the negative commenting on Jessa today has been aimed at her having "broken the chain." Because, it appears, the "chain" actually has become a thing at Starbuck's. And if you "break it" you're an asshole. In other words, the "chain" has become another annoying well-off white people's fad, this one involving obligatory but fundamentally useless generosity to other well-off white people. Which, in my opinion, kind of leaves the actual "pay if forward" idea far behind. There are a lot of newspaper stories out there about these Starbuck's chains.   Here's just one --  http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/more-than-250-have-paid-it-forward-at-local-starbucks-and-the-chain-is/2193784

Edited by Churchhoney
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I'm at SBux 5x/week. I have NEVER been part of a "chain," although I've certainly heard of the concept. 

 

Blessa bragging that she didn't pay "a single cent" was really the problem for me. She wanted people to know that she'd gotten off scot-free! Ignorance is bliss, I guess. It must be great to be a Duggar and have this totally warped view of the world that lets you get away with just about everything, including and up to extramarital affairs and molestation. 

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I absolutely agree. "Real" ministry involves helping people in ways other than just spouting Bible verses. Have we seen Ben (or Jessa for that matter) volunteer at a soup kitchen, do community outreach, or anything like that? I'd think they would certainly post that on social media, so that's probably not high on their lists. I don't see them being terribly active in their community in the way that ministers are typically expected to be.

(A large) Part of the appeal of being a minister for Ben is probably being a figure of authority to a lot of people who will look up to him and think he's right. That's not unusual in ministers; many of the ones I went to divinity school with had pretty good-sized egos.

 

I find ministers kind of fascinating because you'd think many of them would have the sense not to sign up if they're not good public speakers or don't give good sermons.  (Yes, I know we all get different gifts, blah de blah, and it's possible that minister is a great counselor, or what have you.)  But my folks once got stuck with a minister who literally couldn't get his way out of any sermon without invoking his kids, and they weren't particularly witty, clever, or insightful kids either, at which point the sermon then became a sort of boring gruesome our-family in-jokey thing, of trying to see how long the minister could go in the sermon before the kids made an appearance.  

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That's certainly some people's issue. But it looks to me as if most of the negative commenting on Jessa today has been aimed at her having "broken the chain." Because, it appears, the "chain" actually has become a thing at Starbuck's. And if you "break it" you're an asshole. In other words, the "chain" has become another annoying well-off white people's fad, this one involving obligatory but fundamentally useless generosity to other well-off white people. Which, in my opinion, kind of leaves the actual "pay if forward" idea far behind. There are a lot of newspaper stories out there about these Starbuck's chains.   Here's just one --  http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/more-than-250-have-paid-it-forward-at-local-starbucks-and-the-chain-is/2193784

 

That article makes me sad. I've read articles about coffee shops and pizza parlors doing this and it's a nice thing. Homeless people get a cup of hot coffee or a slice of pizza and the donor gets to help out someone in need for a bit of spare change. 

 

It doesn't surprise me that this has become a "thing" among people who don't quite get the point and, of course, it doesn't surprise me that Jessa misses the point in every conceivable way. It surprises me a bit, though, that they don't "get" this since they seem to take pride in being modern "hip" young people who are  onto the latest trends, but just happen to be so much better than everyone else due to their superior understanding of scripture.

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I'm laughing at the other pic Jessa posted of a Chik Fil A sandwich where she prefaced the caption with "we normally don't eat fast food..." Bitch please, you and your man-child hubby live in greasy fast food restaurants. A third of her social media posts are dedicated to milkshakes and fried chicken.

 

Oh, forgot to toss in; why do people DO this?

 

I know what a freakin' Wendy's or Arby's meal looks like.  I don't need to see a damn picture of it!!  Your meal at French Laundry; OK, that I can see.  

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Okay, I need some clarification on this pay it forward thing.  I was in the drive-thru at Chic-fil-a a couple of years ago and they said my meal had been paid by the people in front of me.  Well, that was very nice and I will likely never forget it.  But I honestly didn't think of doing it for the car behind me.  How do I know what they are buying and how much to give the cashier?  I just don't get how that works.

 

I have done good deeds for others, but I never said to them to do something good for someone else. It was just helping someone who needed it, no strings attached.

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