Brattinella April 22, 2016 Share April 22, 2016 Lord, I feel your pain---I'm an unwillingly vocal fry-focused listener too, and I immediately cringe the minute I hear that scratchy stupidity hit my ears. But then again, I'm a high school teacher, so I get to hear all the ridiculous slang/upspeak/vocal fry on a frightening daily basis; it's like this generation's own lame spin on the Valley Girl epidemic of the 80's. Upspeak seems to have dwindled a bit, but it's nowhere near as widespread still as vocal fry. The thing that irks me is when I hear fellow teachers vocal frying it up in staff meetings---lots of teachers on my faculty here are white gals under 30, and I literally want to throat punch them when they start croaking out that unprofessional mess. I'm blaming the Kardashians, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, since they really brought the intentional vocal fry on out into the national spotlight, trying to seem so sexy and world-weary. Now we get to hear idiot scratchy-voiced young women on commercials croaking themselves silly. Ugh...please stop already---you don't sound cute or sexy, you sound like a dumbass. Best post of the day! 3 Link to comment
RCharter April 22, 2016 Share April 22, 2016 Lord, I feel your pain---I'm an unwillingly vocal fry-focused listener too, and I immediately cringe the minute I hear that scratchy stupidity hit my ears. But then again, I'm a high school teacher, so I get to hear all the ridiculous slang/upspeak/vocal fry on a frightening daily basis; it's like this generation's own lame spin on the Valley Girl epidemic of the 80's. Upspeak seems to have dwindled a bit, but it's nowhere near as widespread still as vocal fry. The thing that irks me is when I hear fellow teachers vocal frying it up in staff meetings---lots of teachers on my faculty here are white gals under 30, and I literally want to throat punch them when they start croaking out that unprofessional mess. I'm blaming the Kardashians, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, since they really brought the intentional vocal fry on out into the national spotlight, trying to seem so sexy and world-weary. Now we get to hear idiot scratchy-voiced young women on commercials croaking themselves silly. Ugh...please stop already---you don't sound cute or sexy, you sound like a dumbass. Now see, if you actually throat punched even one of them, I bet you would hear less vocal fry. I mean there has to be some sort of temporary insanity defense based on having to hear vocal frye 5 Link to comment
StaceyNotStacie April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 This song drives me batty. Not sure if it is a regional thing, but MASN plays it every other inning during the Nationals games. Link to comment
cynicat April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 Now we get to hear idiot scratchy-voiced young women on commercials croaking themselves silly. Ugh...please stop already---you don't sound cute or sexy, you sound like a dumbass. I recently heard a discussion about vocal fry on NPR (Freedom Fries) which basically concluded that the millenial generation not only doesn't notice the vocal fry, if they do, they couldn't give a shit. In other words, if you both hear and are annoyed by the new speaking trend then you are probably old. I fit that mold. It makes me particularly stabby to hear the vocal fry AND upspeak used together. If you want to hear that part of the podcast, when you click on the hyperlink,go to about 25' 54'' in. It should be bookmarked there but it might not be. 3 Link to comment
Moose135 April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I'm hardly a millennial - I'm 55 - but after listening to that piece, including the woman who supposedly had a vocal fry, I still don't hear it, and don't get the problem. 2 Link to comment
Sun-Bun April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I'm 39, so I guess I'm old to most millennials. But damned if I can't help but feel that a young woman intentionally sounding like she's smoked a pack of cigars daily makes me stabby. Get off my lawn, vocal fry. 10 Link to comment
TattleTeeny April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 (edited) Colleges don't actually cost that much more these days after you adjust for inflation. What's changed is the willingness of students to work their way through college. Work experience is important to employers when you graduate, even if you just held crummy, low-paying work-study jobs on campus that didn't make much of a dent in costs. Does UofP even have a work-study program? I only wish this were remotely true back when I was in college! I had a full course load and two part-time jobs (bookseller at B&N and waiting tables until 1:00am), and still couldn't pay the bills. And do not even get me started on art school, which cost three times as much and, with at least four 8-hour days per week of classes (and this doesn't include studio time), allowed zero time for a job unless you could find one on just Fridays and Saturdays (which would likely not pay for even your supplies for the week). Edited April 23, 2016 by TattleTeeny 4 Link to comment
TattleTeeny April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 (edited) Oh my goodness, any commercial for any product that claims, for example, "100% of women saw improvement when they used [Product]." Really?! I am to believe that every last one of us on the planet used your product and reported positive results? Edited April 23, 2016 by TattleTeeny 4 Link to comment
MaryPatShelby April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 (edited) I have a question about the new Jaguar commercial, with the announcer/narrator pronouncing it "Jag-you-ah". I remember in Mad Men, Lane Pryce pronounced it "Jag-you-are" (I can't spell it as "proper" as he made it sound) which I assumed was the way it was done in the UK. So what's with dropping the R sound...is it to sound even more pretentious or is that a real thing? Edited April 23, 2016 by MaryPatShelby 2 Link to comment
SoSueMe April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I have a question about the new Jaguar commercial, with the announcer/narrator pronouncing it "Jag-you-ah". I remember in Mad Men, Lane Pryce pronounced it "Jag-you-are" (I can't spell it as "proper" as he made it sound) which I assumed was the way it was done in the UK. So what's with dropping the R sound...is it to sound even more pretentious or is that a real thing? I have heard different voices on different Jaguar commercials all pronouncing it slightly different. The one that makes me want to shoot myself is jag-e-wa. 2 Link to comment
Rum Punch April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 (edited) ARI333, ON 14 APR 2016 - 11:14 AM, SAID:There's not enough peen in movies imo.. I totally agree, but more importantly Kevin Bacon himself has made a new video expressly to say so. With all apologies to Kevin Bacon, I would like to make a couple of points about the supposed imbalance of female nudity and male nudity in the mainstream media. First, I presume that most people who are upset by this also feel that it is unjust that males may appear shirtless in public while females may not, but using that standard we must either count all shirtless scenes as male nudity, or not count topless scenes as female nudity. If we do the former, men have been called upon to appear nude onscreen since the days of Clark Gable and before. Heck, even on a family show like ABC's "Dancing with the Stars". the male participants are frequently shirtless, while I don't recall Peta Murgatroyd or Witney Carson ever dancing completely topless, though if it ever happens you can be assured it will stay on my DVR for quite some time. If we do the latter, and not count toplessness as female nudity, I suspect that that would close the male to female nudity ratio considerably. As far as full frontal nudity is concerned, since male genitals are external and female genitals are internal, I would suggest that the only female equivalent of an actor displaying his penis would be a complete spread eagle, and I haven't seen too many of those, not even on "Game of Thrones". To summarize, I am calling for more topless female dancers on "Dancing with the Stars", and more vajayjay on "Game of Thrones". It's only fair. Edited April 23, 2016 by Rum Punch 6 Link to comment
Rick Kitchen April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I have a question about the new Jaguar commercial, with the announcer/narrator pronouncing it "Jag-you-ah". I remember in Mad Men, Lane Pryce pronounced it "Jag-you-are" (I can't spell it as "proper" as he made it sound) which I assumed was the way it was done in the UK. So what's with dropping the R sound...is it to sound even more pretentious or is that a real thing? Most British accents drop the final -r. 3 Link to comment
janie jones April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 If we consider nudity to be the exposure of one's "bathing suit area," I think there are probably three camps of people who think there isn't enough male nudity: people who think women's breasts shouldn't be considered part of the "bathing suit area" (which Rum Punch describes); ones who consider breasts and not the male chest to be private, so that men stripped to the waist isn't considered equivalent; and people who think breasts shouldn't necessarily be sexualized, but that they are still kind of private, so that men stripped to the waist isn't considered equivalent. I wouldn't guess that the first group outnumbers the other two put together. It also seems that even if an individual doesn't think women's breasts should be covered, they may think it unfair that actresses should be "expected" to show a body part that society at large considers private. 2 Link to comment
Cobalt Stargazer April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 It also seems that even if an individual doesn't think women's breasts should be covered, they may think it unfair that actresses should be "expected" to show a body part that society at large considers private. Then someone should give Kim Kardashian the memo. I think everyone would be very happy if she'd keep her breasts under wraps at this point, just because its so boring by now. And it takes a lot to get me to say that. Topic? Sorry, I got nothin'. 9 Link to comment
Watcher0363 April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I'm hardly a millennial - I'm 55 - but after listening to that piece, including the woman who supposedly had a vocal fry, I still don't hear it, and don't get the problem. I'm with you, a little younger. I have no idea what vocal fry is. I heard examples of it, and cannot say anything jumps out at me, as unusual. 3 Link to comment
mansonlamps April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I personally have no desire to see more "peen" on TV or in movies. Is that unusual? Why would I care? 3 Link to comment
90PercentGravity April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 (edited) Vocal fry is women being criticised for existing. They up talk they get criticized, so they lower their tone, which causes that "fry" and they still get criticized. The obvious message is that women should sit down and shut up. Edited April 23, 2016 by 90PercentGravity 7 Link to comment
Cobalt Stargazer April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I'm 39, so I guess I'm old to most millennials. But damned if I can't help but feel that a young woman intentionally sounding like she's smoked a pack of cigars daily makes me stabby. I'm in my mid-forties, and back in the late 90's Angie Harmon's naturally raspy voice is one of the things that shoved me into crushdom What? 2 Link to comment
RCharter April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 Oh my goodness, any commercial for any product that claims, for example, "100% of women saw improvement when they used [Product]." Really?! I am to believe that every last one of us on the planet used your product and reported positive results? Oh no, more like 100% of the women you paid to "test" your product report improvement.....after being told that the product should result in improvement....and after the numbers are adjusted upwards for any margin of error issues.....and if you round up..... I personally have no desire to see more "peen" on TV or in movies. Is that unusual? Why would I care? I just want the rules on TV/movie pee pee relaxed in hopes of seeing Jon Hamm's junk. It looks like something I want to see please. 3 Link to comment
Ohwell April 23, 2016 Share April 23, 2016 I'm in my mid-forties, and back in the late 90's Angie Harmon's naturally raspy voice is one of the things that shoved me into crushdom What? I remember that voice. Also, there's a female lead who plays Erin on Chicago PD and the male lead who plays Hank, and both of them have raspy voices that just drive me up a wall. I stopped watching the show after a couple episodes. 1 Link to comment
NewDigs April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 I'm with you, a little younger. I have no idea what vocal fry is. I heard examples of it, and cannot say anything jumps out at me, as unusual. Okay. At the risk of being dinged for OT, vocal fry doesn't really bother me. Ex-smoker here. But the uptalk can, imho, change the dynamic of a conversation. I have to wonder if the speaker is asking me a questiom or is the speaker stating a fact. Oddly(?), I can't recall commercial vocal fry but I know I've heard questions that weren't. 2 Link to comment
erikdepressant April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 I despise the Chevy fake focus group commercials. I hate emojis. Oh, joy! They've been combined! Love seeing it ten times a day! 10 Link to comment
theredhead77 April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 Colleges don't actually cost that much more these days after you adjust for inflation. What's changed is the willingness of students to work their way through college. Work experience is important to employers when you graduate, even if you just held crummy, low-paying work-study jobs on campus that didn't make much of a dent in costs. Does UofP even have a work-study program? UoP was "designed" for students (and military) working full time. Classes are at night or online, one class at a time for 6-8 weeks (maybe longer, I forget). You go through your "program" with the same group. Link to comment
Rinaldo April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 With all apologies to Kevin Bacon, I would like to make a couple of points about the supposed imbalance of female nudity and male nudity in the mainstream media. First, I presume that most people who are upset by this also feel that it is unjust that males may appear shirtless in public while females may not Nope, I don't feel that way. Never met anyone who did, but I'm sure they exist. As far as representation and exposure in popular media (TV and movies, for present purposes) is concerned, I would seriously maintain that the female equivalent of the penis is the breasts. In both cases, this is (to a great extent) the part of the anatomy that those interested in that gender are interested in and curious about seeing; and for those who possess them, they're the part of the anatomy on whose size and appearance they're apt to be judged, and which is felt (unjustly, and despite all efforts at raising our consciousness to rise above this) to embody their masculinity or femininity. So every time boobs are exposed, we need a peen to balance it out. I'd say we have 50 years of arrears to make up. I'm somewhat tongue in cheek about this, but I think I'm serious too. (But you have to factor in that I'm an aging gay dude who endured bare breasts bursting forth on the screen during his college years in the late 1960s, with never a male bit in sight.) 6 Link to comment
bmoore4026 April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 Rinaldo, on 23 Apr 2016 - 9:06 PM, said: Nope, I don't feel that way. Never met anyone who did, but I'm sure they exist. As far as representation and exposure in popular media (TV and movies, for present purposes) is concerned, I would seriously maintain that the female equivalent of the penis is the breasts. In both cases, this is (to a great extent) the part of the anatomy that those interested in that gender are interested in and curious about seeing; and for those who possess them, they're the part of the anatomy on whose size and appearance they're apt to be judged, and which is felt (unjustly, and despite all efforts at raising our consciousness to rise above this) to embody their masculinity or femininity. So every time boobs are exposed, we need a peen to balance it out. I'd say we have 50 years of arrears to make up. I'm somewhat tongue in cheek about this, but I think I'm serious too. (But you have to factor in that I'm an aging gay dude who endured bare breasts bursting forth on the screen during his college years in the late 1960s, with never a male bit in sight.) Pretty sure I didn't post the post you're quoting, Rinaldo. I would not be that analytic about female nudity and male nudity or Kevin Bacon. Ever. Link to comment
frenchtoast April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 Perhaps the off topic talk of peen/boobs would be better in the Gender in Television. Or the Gender in Movies. It's an interesting discussion, but it doesn't seem to belong here. Thanks! 5 Link to comment
Haleth April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 I have heard different voices on different Jaguar commercials all pronouncing it slightly different. The one that makes me want to shoot myself is jag-e-wa. Jag-wire. Makes me stabby. 2 Link to comment
arejay April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 (edited) Jag-wire Ok, so , full disclosure, I have a 1990 convertible V-12 XJS, Love it, except when my 8 year old says "jag-wire". Which makes me want to stab him. And his Dad. Which wouldn't be right. Right? Edited April 24, 2016 by arejay 2 Link to comment
Brattinella April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 I like the way Malcolm McDowell says it. 1 Link to comment
Moose135 April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 Ok, so , full disclosure, I have a 1990 convertible V-12 XJS, Love it, except when my 8 year old says "jag-wire". Which makes me want to stab him. And his Dad. Which wouldn't be right. Right? That's a sweet ride! If I were on the jury, you'd never be convicted... 5 Link to comment
smittykins April 24, 2016 Share April 24, 2016 (edited) A few years ago, they were pronouncing it Jag-yoo-ar. Edited April 24, 2016 by smittykins 1 Link to comment
bref April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 i like to pronounce it jagular, a la Winnie the Pooh. :) 1 Link to comment
RCharter April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 A few years ago, they were pronouncing it Jag-yoo-ar. This is how I pronounce it. It feels very British and classy....but it always ends in an Austin Powers impression ("lets motor in my Jag-yoo-ar baby!") 1 Link to comment
90PercentGravity April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 I guess I say jag-war (rhymes with "bar"). 5 Link to comment
Ubiquitous April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 I have a question about the new Jaguar commercial, with the announcer/narrator pronouncing it "Jag-you-ah". I remember in Mad Men, Lane Pryce pronounced it "Jag-you-are" (I can't spell it as "proper" as he made it sound) which I assumed was the way it was done in the UK. So what's with dropping the R sound...is it to sound even more pretentious or is that a real thing? It bugs me when it's not pronounced /jag-wahr/, especially since I never heard these weird ass versions before those Jaguar ads. I despise the Chevy fake focus group commercials. I hate emojis. Oh, joy! They've been combined! Amen! 1 Link to comment
arejay April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 (edited) 'It bugs me when it's not pronounced /jag-wahr/, especially since I never heard these weird ass versions before those Jaguar ad's. FWIW, Hubby wanted to put "WHYTPSY" on the license plate. I told him I would not drive it. We settled on "WHYTCAT" Edited April 25, 2016 by arejay Link to comment
glowlights April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 What I don't get is the people who will say they watched a documentary about jag-wahrs, but insist that they drive a jag-wire. It's the same fucking word!!! I really came here to unload my rage about the UoP ad, but I see my beloved Preverts have it covered. But is anyone else amused that an ad for a university that's desperately trying to establish some credibility features a vocalist who sounds like a drunk Edie Brickell? I'm not aware of too many things / I know what I know if you know what I mean... Like, a degree is, like, a degree, you know? Like, but only if you, like, have a brain. 7 Link to comment
Moose135 April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 FWIW, Hubby wanted to put "WHYTPSY" on the license plate. I told him I would not drive it. We settled on "WHYTCAT" When I first read that, I took it to be "Why Tipsy" then when I saw what you settled on, I realized what his original idea was, and understand your objections. 1 Link to comment
RCharter April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 When I first read that, I took it to be "Why Tipsy" then when I saw what you settled on, I realized what his original idea was, and understand your objections. I just got it too. I thought it was Why Tipsy...and I thought that was a bad idea....I think WHYTPSY would be hilarious! Once I finally got that license plate I would probably give someone the thumbs up for having the balls to put that on a license plate. 1 Link to comment
Ubiquitous April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 'It bugs me when it's not pronounced /jag-wahr/, especially since I never heard these weird ass versions before those Jaguar ad's. FWIW, Hubby wanted to put "WHYTPSY" on the license plate. I told him I would not drive it. We settled on "WHYTCAT" Gee, that's a weird way to spell "Jaguar"! ;-) 4 Link to comment
LoneHaranguer April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 I think WHYTPSY would be hilarious! If you can get it past the motor vehicle dept. Some are pretty strict and will even consider how something might be interpreted in a foreign language. Link to comment
Brattinella April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 If you can get it past the motor vehicle dept. Some are pretty strict and will even consider how something might be interpreted in a foreign language. Yep. I remember they had a problem with one that you could read UPSIDE-DOWN, and it said something naughty. Link to comment
Prevailing Wind April 25, 2016 Share April 25, 2016 Yet Virginia issued "MSFU" to a friend of mine, a fellow Zevoneer. It's the acronym for Warren Zevon's song, My Shit's Fucked Up, but when she was stopped by a cop for speeding, he asked her if it meant Mississippi State Flying Unicorns and she said, "No...Montana." She got a warning instead of a ticket. Her adult daughter was mortified. But Georgia won't issue anything, even their own randomly generated numbers, that has an F before a U. 4 Link to comment
janie jones April 26, 2016 Share April 26, 2016 (edited) I have no idea what WHYTCAT is supposed to mean. Or WHYTPSY for that matter. Edited April 26, 2016 by janie jones 4 Link to comment
Maverick April 26, 2016 Author Share April 26, 2016 The car was white, so WHYTCAT is for 'white cat' since jaguar is a member of the cat/feline family. I'm not touching WHYTPSY (yes, that's intentional) but hopefully decrypting the first will connect the dots on the second. If not, you're probably better off not knowing. 3 Link to comment
millennium April 26, 2016 Share April 26, 2016 The Dole Tropical Fruit Bowl commercial. "Oh look. They're drainers." 3 Link to comment
proserpina65 April 27, 2016 Share April 27, 2016 Thanks to you guys, I've spent the last few minutes trying to figure out how I say 'jaguar' - think I'll just go with 'Jag' from now on. 6 Link to comment
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