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The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

Churchhoney
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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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32 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I wonder if Jeremy is annoyed that he needs Jinger’s fans to gain a following. Like people are not interested in what he does if Jinger is not involved.

My guess is: He's hella annoyed. But he knows it's the game he bought into.

So, from the beginning, the "hope he's held" is that, any day now, millions of people will suddenly become smitten with him him him him, If he just softly intones enough bible verses and "expository" platitudes about them and poses in enough new outfits while turning his best side to the camera. They have to, right? They HAVE TO. 

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Future Cat Lady

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12 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

My guess is: He's hella annoyed. But he knows it's the game he bought into.

So, from the beginning, the "hope he's held" is that, any day now, millions of people will suddenly become smitten with him him him him, If he just softly intones enough bible verses and "expository" platitudes about them and poses in enough new outfits while turning his best side to the camera. They have to, right? They HAVE TO. 

But the sad part is that he may grow resentful and take it out on Jinger if he doesn't achieve his goal. I really think that he married her because she was on TV and expected he would benefit from that. And he did to a certain point, but that may not be enough for him. 

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19 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

My guess is: He's hella annoyed. But he knows it's the game he bought into.

So, from the beginning, the "hope he's held" is that, any day now, millions of people will suddenly become smitten with him him him him, If he just softly intones enough bible verses and "expository" platitudes about them and poses in enough new outfits while turning his best side to the camera. They have to, right? They HAVE TO. 

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Churchhoney

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Just now, Future Cat Lady said:

But the sad part is that he may grow resentful and take it out on Jinger if he doesn't achieve his goal. I really think that he married her because she was on TV and expected he would benefit from that. And he did to a certain point, but that may not be enough for him. 

Yep. Definitely sad. My hope is that eventually he'll just give up his giant hopes and live with what he's got. I think it's possible that he'll find a well-paying job as chief suckup to somebody who seems kind of important. And maybe he'll give up on his big dreams and be content with good money and mainly somebody else's reflected glow and glory. 

But, as you say, the possibility's also there that he won't want to settle and that he might end up resenting his lot and, along with it, Jinger. That'd be very sad, because it's certainly not her fault. 

The ball's in Jer's court. I'm hoping he'll turn out not to be as big a jerk as he might be. I don't feel like I've seen any evidence that suggests the outcome one way or another. So here's hoping. 

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28 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Seriously I want to tell her gee pray to Jesus for the topics for your podcast. So unprepared and doing something half assed yet again. 

If I were the Vs, I'd be trying to impress my agency right now. And I can't see that they'll be impressed with this. 

 Obviously it's fine to reach out to your fans to get their thoughts.....but if you don't offer them your thoughts, too, then I doubt you're inspiring them to come up with much....Why doesn't she start by mentioning a few things she's thinking about and asking them which they'd most l like to hear or something....?

If I were her agent looking at her as a wannabe "influencer" in my stable, I think i might conclude she's either super-lazy or really slow on the uptake. Neither of those says "potentially successful influencer and worthy of my best efforts" to me. 

 

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

They probably already have the next few podcasts done. I'm thinking the question was just to engage posters.

The problem is -- It's not the kind the question that engages people! 

If you don't give something of yourself or give people something kinda specific to take off from, very few if any will go out on a limb and tell you their thoughts. It doesn't work that way -- not even in a lot of situations where you know your listeners/readers to some degree....and usually not at all with strangers...

Plus, of course, you do look like an empty-headed dumbass to your agent. 

 

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1 hour ago, Oldernowiser said:

Who could have ever seen that coming??🤔

So when does he start turning tricks?

Who’d hire him to be a porn star? 🤣😂😅

6 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

The problem is -- It's not the kind the question that engages people! 

If you don't give something of yourself or give people something kinda specific to take off from, very few if any will go out on a limb and tell you their thoughts. It doesn't work that way -- not even in a lot of situations where you know your listeners/readers to some degree....and usually not at all with strangers...

Plus, of course, you do look like an empty-headed dumbass to your agent. 

 

He is an empty headed dummy lol

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The fact that they are begging their "fans" for topics already just shows how unfocused and clueless they are.  I would think they would have dozens of ideas already and not be able to produce the shows fast enough.  Like I said before, this idea will die a quick death.  Neither of them is the least bit interesting or insightful.  Jermy tries so hard to be pragmatic, but only come off as preachy.  He is unable to string together any original thought and any attempts to explain scripture turn into mental gymnastics for the listener.  Unless they heavily edit, Jinger's lack of education is going to be very apparent.

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3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Yep. Definitely sad. My hope is that eventually he'll just give up his giant hopes and live with what he's got. I think it's possible that he'll find a well-paying job as chief suckup to somebody who seems kind of important. And maybe he'll give up on his big dreams and be content with good money and mainly somebody else's reflected glow and glory. 

Personally, I think Jer would make an excellent toadie. A trendier Mr Smithers, if you will.

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Sew Sumi

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30 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

#17 on iTunes. For real?  The agent must be happy. 

 

Is that in general or just the religion category? I couldn't tell when I saw it in her story because it scrolled by so fast.

eta: I found it on Jeremy's story, and the title above theirs has to do with Betty Broderick! So, it's all of Apple. 

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I won't even try to listen to the podcast, but I looked it up on iTunes to read the reviews.  Of course there are rabid fans falling all over them, but there are also a few one star reviews.  Don't know for sure, but I doubt they can just delete negative comments on iTunes like they do on their social media accounts.  

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7 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Is that in general or just the religion category? I couldn't tell when I saw it in her story because it scrolled by so fast.

eta: I found it on Jeremy's story, and the title above theirs has to do with Betty Broderick! So, it's all of Apple. 

Well, that's what a million-plus followers gets you, I guess. Now the question is how long it lasts. I added one to their number! 

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21 minutes ago, Zella said:

What's the gist of the 1-star reviews?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hope-we-hold/id1510782939#see-all/reviews

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Meg_Noel❤️, 06/06/2020

Amazing!

Jinger and Jeremy are a blessing to this world. They have many words of wisdom. They are grounded in the word of the Lord, and have been blessed by the Lord to speak hope to this generation. Thank you guys for stepping out and creating a podcast. I am excited to listen to many more!

 

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Meggiemay47479, 06/07/2020

Ick

Jeremy, why are you so smug and self-important?

 

Virtually no three stars. heh

According to one analysis of podcast ratings, at least on these first outings they fall in sort of the lucky middle of podcasts.....They aren't one of the really successful ones, but they're in a position from which it's possible to move up. Most podcasts get virtually no listeners or ratings.....but if you've got a million-plus followers, then you get some .... and that means you at least have a shot at moving higher 

504 people gave them ratings in the star-system....and the average was 4.6.....MOST ratings for every podcast are GOOD, 4s and 5s. If people don't like a podcast, they mostly don't bother to rate it. So this is normal. 

Here's the numerical scoop on the numbers of ratings across the broad scope of podcasts -- 

"We collected data from all of the hundreds of thousands of podcasts in the US iTunes store as of September of this year, including the number of ratings and the average rating reported by iTunes. Out of all the podcasts in iTunes, roughly 80% have no ratings listed, meaning they’ve received fewer than five (iTunes will only publish the number of ratings for a podcast if the show has five or more, so we can’t look at lower numbers.) About 90% of podcasts have 10 or fewer ratings. In short, the vast majority of listener ratings are going to a very small number of podcasts. It’s an elite group — 0.1% of the podcasts listed by Apple — that have 12,000 or more ratings. These are the high-ranking podcasts we all know — the Joe Rogan Experiences, My Favorite Murders and This American Lifes of the world."

They fall in this group, with the middle number of ratings.....and this analysis says they need to listen to their raters because that can be key to actually having momentum -- 

"Still, star averages do have value for one important subset of podcasts — those medium-size podcasts with somewhere between 100 and a few thousand ratings. It’s here, in this middle ground between the vast majority of podcasts with few if any ratings and the rarified world of blockbuster shows, where listeners seem to be doing something valuable for the podcast community — giving their honest opinions about a program. Sure, even this subset may be tainted by companies that promise downloads or ratings for cash. But our advice to podcasters based on this analysis is to pay extra close attention to the first few hundred ratings and reviews you get. These may be from listeners who aren’t just jumping on a bandwagon, but who deserve your attention as you work to build an audience."

This person notes that you need to WORK to build your audience -- and reallly listen to what people say in their reviews.....Will they? questionable!   But they do have a shot, according to this. 

https://medium.com/megaphonepods/what-do-podcast-ratings-actually-tell-us-46fc6ba8844f

 

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5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hope-we-hold/id1510782939#see-all/reviews

Typical four-or-five-star -- 

Meg_Noel❤️, 06/06/2020

Amazing!

Jinger and Jeremy are a blessing to this world. They have many words of wisdom. They are grounded in the word of the Lord, and have been blessed by the Lord to speak hope to this generation. Thank you guys for stepping out and creating a podcast. I am excited to listen to many more!

 

Typical one-or-two-star -- 

Meggiemay47479, 06/07/2020

Ick

Jeremy, why are you so smug and self-important?

 

Virtually no three stars. heh

Thank you! 

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7 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Jinger and Jeremy have just under two million followers between them, but only rustled up 350-ish comments. The podcast doesn't seem to be off to a rousing success.

As of right now, Jinger's got 440 comments (I'm not looking to see how many are "suggestions" vs people who feel the need comment on every post) and Jeremy's got...76. That's gotta sting a little bit for RFP! 😂

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The thing about their numbers is that, unlike the vast majority of people who start podcasts, they start out with a very large number of followers.

I know five people who have podcasts, three of which are considered successful and one very successful in their subject-matter spaces, and none of those people had or has anywhere near 1.3 million followers. I don't think any of them has even broken the 100,000 mark yet. But the successful ones get a hefty percentage of their followers to listen to them and rate them and recommend their podcasts to other people who don't yet follow the podcaster.  And their numbers keep growing.

So whether the Vs' agency ultimately considers them successful or not will depend partly on raw numbers but also partly on what percentage of their follower base they engage. At this point, the raw number of people who bothered to rate them -- which shows engagement -- is pretty strong.

But when you look at it next to the number of people they might engage -- that 1.3 million-plus -- it only amounts to a few hundredths of a percent. They've gotta concentrate on growing that proportion. (And they have the handicap of a fairly high number of hate-followers, who won't ultimately engage or accept any influence from the Vs, and that's a barrier not a lot of people have to cope with.)

It'll be interesting to see what happens.  

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I think a great suggestion for a podcast would be -Discuss the futility of signing an anti-social justice statement during the current overwhelmingly popular pro social-justice movement. And the how does your signing that statement affect your popularity moving forward? And limits your outreach and how therefore most people think you are a dumbass?

Guess he wouldn't like that one so much.

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lascuba

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5 hours ago, galaxygirl76 said:

How long until they discover Patreon. 

The podcast is the gateway to Patreon. Give it a few more episodes, and then it will be, "the reaction to our podcast has been overwhelming! Please help support us in delivering the Lord to your earbuds by giving us regular love offerings via Patreon! In return for your generosity, you'll get to listen to special behind the scenes episodes!"

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I went ahead and looked at the reviews. Mostly five star reviews from people that were going to like it no matter what because they're already fans or they're the type of religious that precludes any sense of taste in media. The one and two star reviews seem to be mix of people who just hate them, no podcast necessary (relatable!), and people who gave the episode an honest shot .

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To much Jeremy talk and scripture and nothing relatable, thought I would like it but to much preaching and not together talking about real life!!!

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Mehhhh

Came off a little detached from real life issues.

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Woefully out of touch

I see what they’re trying to do and can appreciate it but when it comes to issues of today it’s painfully clear they’re woefully out of touch with reality.

This four star review made me laugh. When even the fans say that Jinger lets Jeremy do all the talking...

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Yay!

I’ve listened to the first podcast and it was very nice! Very biblically-based and provided clear guidance. I would like to hear more of Ginger’s thoughts

 

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