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Given the old adage that a tie in sports is like "Kissing your sister" I'm going to go ahead and guess, the congressional vote still ends up tied. Should have got those factories!

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Sarah Sutherland need an Emmy now.  Her over the top crying has been one of the funniest things in this series.

I also love Selina's restrained joy when Catherine said she broke up with Marjorie.  So subtle, yet so great.

Also loved Jonah's pussy remark while in the presence of elementary school kids.  So great.

Kent is in a motorcycle group?  Richard can sing opera?  Hidden depths indeed.

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So many good bits. Yes, Jonah's foul mouth in front of an elementary school class was amazing.

And Richard's love for operetta was a delightful new bit of info. (I can't honestly believe that Catherine, on the basis of that sentence, would procure footage of him singing in the chorus of a community production of The Mikado, but I don't care -- I'm so glad we got to see it.)

Jonah fucked things up for Selina in a way none of us (I think) predicted: she wanted O'Brien to win when she knew she couldn't, so she could at least run again next time, but he loyally voted for her.

And I adored finally seeing Selina make Amy eat shit before letting her return to the team. For most of the season I've been wondering how problem-free that offstage action really was, and I love that they thought of that and saved it up for this moment.

I wonder what will happen with Mike to keep him on the team after all. Next week!

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The only thing I don't like is how the plot hinges on a false premise.  Tom would be Acting President only until such time as the House is able to select a president - it's not "thrown to the Senate".   And it's not one vote and done, I don't see how refusing to hold another vote would ever fly.  And the only way to get a state to abstain without it looking obvious would be a state with an even number of representatives that tied (a one representative state could abstain himself, but still... three of them?). What they showed is basically a coup, and a pretty obvious one at that.   

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1 hour ago, jcin617 said:

The only thing I don't like is how the plot hinges on a false premise.  Tom would be Acting President only until such time as the House is able to select a president - it's not "thrown to the Senate".   And it's not one vote and done, I don't see how refusing to hold another vote would ever fly.  And the only way to get a state to abstain without it looking obvious would be a state with an even number of representatives that tied (a one representative state could abstain himself, but still... three of them?). What they showed is basically a coup, and a pretty obvious one at that.   

Note on the abstentions: The two known ones were Vermont (1 representative) and Missouri (8 representatives), so those two potentially check out as abstentions, although Vermont's would look weird if it wasn't an independent in that seat.

There's also a flaw in Amy's understanding of Presidential term limits.

Anyone who ascends to the Presidency (which Tom James would because the Senate is electing him Vice President and he will assume the Presidency via the line of succession) and serves more the half of someone else's term as President cannot be elected to two further terms as President, he can only be elected to one as per the 22nd amendment (although I suppose there technically is loophole here as Tom isn't serving someone else's term since nobody has been elected.)

And of course there is the possibility that Tom never actually assumes the Presidency and remains "Acting President" for the entire 4 years while somehow constantly dodging a vote in the House that could elect Meyer or O'Brien. Which is even more ridiculous, since it effectively makes the Acting President a slave to the Speaker of the House who could trigger a vote whenever he felt like it. And if the Republicans ever gained control of the House during those 4 years the new Speaker would trigger a vote immediately. Finally if this is the case Tom wouldn't be able to make Meyer his VP (as he's suggested) because he'd be the current sitting VP; he's not the President, he's the Acting President (and Vice President), and he can't fill a position he's currently occupying.

The maximum consecutive time that any one person could be President is 10 years, via succeeding to the Presidency in the last 2 years (and not one day more) of another President's term and being elected to two further terms.

I say "consecutive time" because it would technically be possible for a former two-term President to ascend to the Presidency after his two terms. For instance, a former two-term President could not run as someone's running mate, because as per the 12th amendment if you are not eligible to be elected to the Presidency, you are not eligible to be elected to the Vice Presidency either, however nothing constitutionally prevents him from running for a seat in the House, if said former two-term president ran for a congressional seat after his Presidency and became Speaker of the House he could ascend to the Presidency in the event that the President and VP are deemed unfit to govern, and serve the entire term.

Theoretically there is no limit on the amount of time one could serve as President, there is just a limit on the amount of times one can be elected President.

Part of me is thinking, "My god American politics has the potential for a lot of fun", and the other (much larger) part is thinking, "Thank god I'm Canadian."

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I applaud your understanding of the inner workings of obscure American politics!   Actually though if the House continued to refuse to vote, both Selena and O'Brien could have standing to sue in the Supreme Court to force a vote.   Especially a joint suit because there's no grounds whatsoever for the House to refuse.

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I actually thought that Catherine's documentary (sorry, doc) would be a lot more damaging than this. It definitely painted everyone pretty badly but knowing the things we have seen and heard from these people over the past five seasons, she didn't make them look nearly as bad as she could have. There were so many little things about it that were hilarious, like the Marjorine Films portmanteau over a picture of a llama at the end or Jonah talking about clits at Franklin Pierce elementary school.

It was also interesting to get more insight into the different characters (although it was surprising how honest many of them were with her, knowing that she was filming them). Of course Selina was WASPy about squashing her emotions and putting them in a box (Jack Donaghy would approve). OF COURSE Jonah doesn't know how to drop a pin. Kent's in a motorcycle club! Mike's changes to the nursery over two months were hilarious.

The unsurprising things we learned from Catherine's documentary: Jonah had sex with a high school girl, Furlong is still a delight, and Selina's mom was a pill.

Loved the guy from Michigan doing everything possible to stall his vote so they could get Jonah there.

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2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Loved the guy from Michigan doing everything possible to stall his vote so they could get Jonah there.

Is that what he was doing?  I thought the show was just mocking the pomposity of politicians in this instance.  I feel like I've seen a pol get up and do a long preamble before they vote a million times before.  Heck, they do it in Eurovision. "We from the great country of Swedemark, reknowned for our mountains, sandy beaches and nordic strength, home of Famous Actor X and Person You've Never Heard of Y, do proudly submit our vote for...." 

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It was wonderful that Sue refused to sign the release.

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Is that what he was doing?  I thought the show was just mocking the pomposity of politicians in this instance.

That's exactly what they were doing.

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8 hours ago, Maximum Taco said:

Note on the abstentions: The two known ones were Vermont (1 representative) and Missouri (8 representatives), so those two potentially check out as abstentions, although Vermont's would look weird if it wasn't an independent in that seat.

There's also a flaw in Amy's understanding of Presidential term limits.

Anyone who ascends to the Presidency (which Tom James would because the Senate is electing him Vice President and he will assume the Presidency via the line of succession) and serves more the half of someone else's term as President cannot be elected to two further terms as President, he can only be elected to one as per the 22nd amendment (although I suppose there technically is loophole here as Tom isn't serving someone else's term since nobody has been elected.)

And of course there is the possibility that Tom never actually assumes the Presidency and remains "Acting President" for the entire 4 years while somehow constantly dodging a vote in the House that could elect Meyer or O'Brien. Which is even more ridiculous, since it effectively makes the Acting President a slave to the Speaker of the House who could trigger a vote whenever he felt like it. And if the Republicans ever gained control of the House during those 4 years the new Speaker would trigger a vote immediately. Finally if this is the case Tom wouldn't be able to make Meyer his VP (as he's suggested) because he'd be the current sitting VP; he's not the President, he's the Acting President (and Vice President), and he can't fill a position he's currently occupying.

The maximum consecutive time that any one person could be President is 10 years, via succeeding to the Presidency in the last 2 years (and not one day more) of another President's term and being elected to two further terms.

I say "consecutive time" because it would technically be possible for a former two-term President to ascend to the Presidency after his two terms. For instance, a former two-term President could not run as someone's running mate, because as per the 12th amendment if you are not eligible to be elected to the Presidency, you are not eligible to be elected to the Vice Presidency either, however nothing constitutionally prevents him from running for a seat in the House, if said former two-term president ran for a congressional seat after his Presidency and became Speaker of the House he could ascend to the Presidency in the event that the President and VP are deemed unfit to govern, and serve the entire term.

Theoretically there is no limit on the amount of time one could serve as President, there is just a limit on the amount of times one can be elected President.

Part of me is thinking, "My god American politics has the potential for a lot of fun", and the other (much larger) part is thinking, "Thank god I'm Canadian."

Irony!

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9 hours ago, Maximum Taco said:

Note on the abstentions: The two known ones were Vermont (1 representative) and Missouri (8 representatives), so those two potentially check out as abstentions, although Vermont's would look weird if it wasn't an independent in that seat.

There's also a flaw in Amy's understanding of Presidential term limits.

Anyone who ascends to the Presidency (which Tom James would because the Senate is electing him Vice President and he will assume the Presidency via the line of succession) and serves more the half of someone else's term as President cannot be elected to two further terms as President, he can only be elected to one as per the 22nd amendment (although I suppose there technically is loophole here as Tom isn't serving someone else's term since nobody has been elected.)

And of course there is the possibility that Tom never actually assumes the Presidency and remains "Acting President" for the entire 4 years while somehow constantly dodging a vote in the House that could elect Meyer or O'Brien. Which is even more ridiculous, since it effectively makes the Acting President a slave to the Speaker of the House who could trigger a vote whenever he felt like it. And if the Republicans ever gained control of the House during those 4 years the new Speaker would trigger a vote immediately. Finally if this is the case Tom wouldn't be able to make Meyer his VP (as he's suggested) because he'd be the current sitting VP; he's not the President, he's the Acting President (and Vice President), and he can't fill a position he's currently occupying.

The maximum consecutive time that any one person could be President is 10 years, via succeeding to the Presidency in the last 2 years (and not one day more) of another President's term and being elected to two further terms.

I agree that there are a lot of aspects of this storyline that simply wouldn't make sense in real life. And they've made a big deal about how "This is a scenario that can really happen in American politics; isn't that nuts!?!?" when promoting this season, so I think it's a significant flaw.

But I'd say there's some ambiguity regarding whether Tom would be able to hold the Oval Office for 12 years. The Constitution says:

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

So if Tom James remains Acting President for 4 years, he might be able to claim that he wasn't acting as president for a term to which some other person was elected president.

I have no idea whether that argument would actually work, but it at least gives the writers a leg to stand on. Which is more than they have re: the reality that James wouldn't be able to select a veep. And that the House vote wouldn't be a one-and-done deal.

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Of course Selina's delusions are such that if O'brien won this thing, her party would re-nominate her. Tom would sweep the primary without even really trying.

I wasn't quite on board with this alternative storytelling recap of the season as much as last season's senate investigation episode as it went for much broader gags (fucking Jonah and Richard running around the Capitol and locking themselves outside; the button on an otherwise excellent use of showing the Marjorie/Catherine romance blossoming with an "I'm not gay, but..." interaction), but there was still a lot to enjoy. Ben's wives are his nurses! Almost as good as Ron Swanson's Tammy weakness. Bill Erickson foreshadowing the abstaining votes. Doyle in all his lamest of lame duck glory.

This season has definitely gone broader but it can still make the jokes land. I am ready for this presidency in limbo storyline to be wrapped, though.

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That? Was brilliant. I loved all the little bonus scenes we got to see play out, like when Mike circled back around to find out if there was going to be a secret meeting about him . . . and it turned out there was! OMG so hilarious.

Is this the last season? Does anyone know if it's been renewed for a sixth season? Because it feels like they're coming to the end of the story.

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Veep was renewed for Season 6.  Buster... Uh.... Gary.... uhhh... Tony Hale, recently confirmed this on The Tonight Show.

Imagine a show just about Richard?  I think that a lot of people would watch it.  I feel like just watching him would make me a happier person in life and I'm not joking.  It's ironic to find a character like that in this crazy cynical show but there you have it..  They could call it the Rose that grew from Concrete or Diamond in the rough or similar analogy.

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Such an awesome, fantastic episode. I'll definitely be rewatching. There was so much to miss.

Loved the congressman from Michigan delaying the vote. I noticed that the timestamp when he started was 10:11am then 10:58am when he finished. All the people in the background looking bored and exasperated by the end was so great.

When the series started the Catherine documentary thing, I thought she would edit it down to something innocuous because she didn't know what she had. I wasn't quite right about that, but she did make all the political stuff just the background for her epic love story. 

Loved seeing Kent -- twice! -- using the ruler to make all the books straight, and then the kicker that Ben was purposely misaligning them. It's still making me laugh.

Gary having the couch removed was a great callback. Loved him talking about the "pink sandy beaches of Barbooda."

Finding out that they were indeed having a secret meeting about Mike was surprising and hilarious.

OMG... Jonah. Is there anything redeeming about him? Saying he was "eating so much pussy [he] was shitting clits" in a elementary (preschool?) classroom was amazing.

I noticed in the Mikado clip that Randall Park (Danny Chung) was also in Richard's operetta appreciation group.

Everybody had great scenes, great lines. Charlie Baird walking in naked while Selina was being interviewed. Tom telling Catherine that being a VP is like being a catcher, lots of squatting and people's asses in your face all day.

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Wonder if Jonah's remark about cats and buttons was dubbed in after the scene was filmed? I shudder to think he actually said that in front a bunch of child actors.

Of course Sue was the only one with the presence of mind and lack of vanity to refuse to participate in the documentary.

Catherine knows Tom James literally screwed her mom. Wonder if that knowledge will come into political play? Assuming Catherine hasn't blocked it out of her mind, of course.

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21 minutes ago, peeayebee said:

 

Gary having the couch removed was a great callback.

Can someone refresh my memory about this? I'm drawing a blank as to when or why this happened...

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Such an awesome, fantastic episode. I'll definitely be rewatching. There was so much to miss.

I just loved getting more info. on the lives of the staff, well the ones we didn't know much about. 

I loved Selena looking back on her interaction with her father vs. her mother. Then at the end with the White House visitors....JLD deserves those Emmy's, such a nuanced performance in that scene, outstanding. 

Gary's motorcycle club. Ben's wife. I absolutely love Ben, when he said he doesn't even want to look out his window, so forget about traveling/exploring the world, hilarious. Richard's opera group, LOL,  he just keeps on giving this character.

I could not stop laughing at Jonah being banned from Uber.  And good lord, the clit talk in the elementary school classroom, which I'm not sure those babies heard or rather understood what he was saying, until his uncle made a scene and went bat shit crazy. Those kids were clearly the adults in the room, the just sat calmly staring at those four buffoons.  Then they nearly hit some kids at the crosswalk and nothing, no concern, except for himself, LOL.

Furlong, aw, missing Selena because she's the only one who gets him, then ending it as only Furlong could, with hitting Catherine up for Lesbian porn sites. 

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13 minutes ago, sadiegirl said:

Can someone refresh my memory about this? I'm drawing a blank as to when or why this happened...

Gary saw Selina and Tom having sex on it.

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What an amazing episode! I cackled/howled loudly during the reveal of Jonah in front of an elementary school classroom.  Loved all the callbacks to past episodes, especially the secret-secret meeting. 

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21 minutes ago, Traveller519 said:

Ben busting up Kents books too! perfect final shot, next to the also perfect "Marjorie Films"

Oh, that's what that was, Catherine naming her production company after Marjorie?

There was so much, I've already watched it twice and still missed things. 

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I am a little sad for Selina.

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Imagine a show just about Richard?  I think that a lot of people would watch it.  I feel like just watching him would make me a happier person in life and I'm not joking.  It's ironic to find a character like that in this crazy cynical show but there you have it..  They could call it the Rose that grew from Concrete or Diamond in the rough or similar analogy.

I am not sure I would watch that actually. Too much Knope in Season 1 Parks for me. 

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I love that Catherine is so clueless and sloppy that she started her "doc" with footage of the cherry blossoms captioned "January 3, 2017."  And the footage of her Keystone pipeline dance was awesome.

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And falling off the stage twice.

I noticed that Selina and Amy both absentmindedly scratch their arms when being interviewed, and I believe both were lying at the time. So I guess arm-scratching is their shared 'tell'.

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7 hours ago, Blakeston said:

I have no idea whether that argument would actually work, but it at least gives the writers a leg to stand on. Which is more than they have re: the reality that James wouldn't be able to select a veep.

I'm holding out hope that Tom is talking about selecting a Veep once he begins his real presidency in four years. Or about some improvised czar position that's equivalent in responsibility to the vice presidency. Otherwise the show seems to be trying to have it both ways -- Tom is technically still the veep acting as the president, but at the same time he's the real president who gets to select his own veep.

But there were quite a few moments in the episode where the politics didn't really make sense. As one of two representatives from New Hampshire, Jonah should only be able to control whether the state votes for one candidate or abstains; he can't swing both votes to Selina or O'Brien. And Alabama went to the liberal Selina, while Washington State went to the conservative O'Brien? (Even though Selina won Washington in the actual election?) It didn't seem like either weird moment was necessary, either; reversing Washington and Alabama produces exactly the same numerical result, and Jonah's storyline works just as well if he's preventing the state from going to O'Brien rather than swinging it all the way to Selina.

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And that the House vote wouldn't be a one-and-done deal.

They do mention in the episode that part of Tom's conspiracy with the Speaker Marwood involves the Speaker preventing the House from casting another vote for president. So they're at least acknowledging the fact that they could vote again.

But you'd think there would be more political pressure to do so. Marwood basically defied the will of the his own party so that a powerful and charismatic member of the other party could become president. Wouldn't his members have his speakership for that? Or at least primary the fuck out of him in two years? It seems like the entire House will be vulnerable to a "Let's elect a real president, for fuck's sake!" campaign in 2018. Or are they all counting on Tom James being such an amazing, transformative "president" that he overturns all the rules of political partisanship?

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18 hours ago, Maximum Taco said:

Part of me is thinking, "My god American politics has the potential for a lot of fun", and the other (much larger) part is thinking, "Thank god I'm Canadian."

Let us think then how is it that our own Head of State is not even a resident of our country...

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19 minutes ago, TV Anonymous said:

Let us think then how is it that our own Head of State is not even a resident of our country...

That's getting into a lot of debate over whether the Head of State in a Commonwealth Nation is the Governor General or the Queen or both.

There are examples of Governors General acting unilaterally without the direction of the monarchy, and acting solely in the interests of their nation, suggesting that the GG should be considered head of state in their own right, without the distinction of acting on the monarchy's behalf, because more often then not they act on their nation's behalf as opposed to the monarchy as a whole.

I suppose according to the constitution the Queen is the head of state, or rather the embodiment of the state, but in effectiveness and practice, the Governor General is.

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Further thoughts: If Marwood is still Speaker, that means O'Brien's party still controls the House. Which means the presidency should be O'Brien's to lose. So I guess it makes more sense that Selina would need weird outcomes like Alabama voting for her to tip the balance, and I guess O'Brien is playing defense by flipping blue states like Washington into his column. Though you'd think the real horse trading would be in the purple states, where party loyalty isn't so entrenched and representatives from both sides need to hew more to the center.

And the fact that partisan politics would favor O'Brien makes Marwood's collaboration even more unthinkably risky. He didn't just collude with the other side; by doing so he also thwarted an expected win for his own side. He'd be cleaning out the Speaker's office the next day!

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But you'd think there would be more political pressure to do so.

I can't really imagine Tom's plan working.  There would be such intense pressure from the Meyer and O'Brien partisans (not to mention outside groups, the media, donors, etc.) that I can't really believe the Speaker would be able to hold off on a second vote for very long. 

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16 minutes ago, Dev F said:

Further thoughts: If Marwood is still Speaker, that means O'Brien's party still controls the House. Which means the presidency should be O'Brien's to lose. So I guess it makes more sense that Selina would need weird outcomes like Alabama voting for her to tip the balance, and I guess O'Brien is playing defense by flipping blue states like Washington into his column. Though you'd think the real horse trading would be in the purple states, where party loyalty isn't so entrenched and representatives from both sides need to hew more to the center.

Not necessarily true, since the vote is done by state delegation. So while one party might control the House in a vote where each rep gets a vote, their candidate could still lose the election if the other party has key representatives in smaller states, because in the event of a Presidential tie breaker vote, a state like Vermont (with 1 representative) now has exactly the same amount of power as a state like California (with 53 representatives)

It would be theoretically possible to win such an election with only 58 congressmen in your corner, by getting all the states with the smallest delegations to vote for you.

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Selena going back to being Veep bugs me. I actually think the show works better with her as Veep but I think it was done in a sloppy way. Tom mentioned this possibility as soon as we found out about the tie, then it seemed to get dropped for all the Nevada talk. Then it was shocking! that Tom was trying to get people to abstain at the Christmas party. Then we go back to focusing on New Hampshire again taking their eye off this possibility (which is apparently worse in Selena's eyes than flat out losing) and also apparently not realizing that even with New Hampshire they are 4 states short of a win.

I get that the characters are constantly bumbling from one problem to the next. I guess this just feels like the writers were doing a poor job of teasing the possibility in a subtle or artful way. It also feels like too much of a step down for Selena. I'd feel better about this sort of tie twist if they hadn't given her a taste of the Presidency and such a prolonged election battle.

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34 minutes ago, Maximum Taco said:

Not necessarily true, since the vote is done by state delegation. So while one party might control the House in a vote where each rep gets a vote, their candidate could still lose the election if the other party has key representatives in smaller states, because in the event of a Presidential tie breaker vote, a state like Vermont (with 1 representative) now has exactly the same amount of power as a state like California (with 53 representatives)

It would be theoretically possible to win such an election with only 58 congressmen in your corner, by getting all the states with the smallest delegations to vote for you.

That's a good point that I hadn't really thought through. But it means that it's doubly crazy for the states that flipped uncharacteristically to have been Alabama (7 seats) and Washington (10 seats). Seems like the parties would focus on 1-seat states where they can easily flip the vote. Alabama in particular was an odd choice to flip, since in real life it has only 1 Democrat to 6 Republicans. Meanwhile, Alaska is next in the alphabet and is also a red state, but rests entirely on a single vote. Why not have that be state Selina flips, while Alabama stays in O'Brien's column? Again, the numbers would work out exactly the same.

I know this is super nerdy nitpicking, but it's frustrating when a show that usually is so careful about capturing the nuances of modern American politics seems to have conceived this particular storyline so carelessly.

And you still have the issue that if representatives are flipping against the partisan identity of their constituents, they're going to get primaried at the first opportunity. Which is all well and good if they've already done their job and elected a real president, but if they've just stalemated the vote, that stalemate is eventually going to be resolved with Selina or O'Brien becoming president.

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21 hours ago, bmoore4026 said:

 

Gary is in a motorcycle group?  Richard can sing opera?  Hidden depths indeed.

I think that was Kent, who is played by Gary Cole. Gary is Selena's assistant, who is played by Tony Hale.  

I absolutely loved this episode.  So many funny moments.  I absolutely loved Catherine being famous for falling off the stage twice; she really is her parents' child.

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I think my favorite part was Charlie Baird appearing naked in the background with his bits all blurred out.

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1 hour ago, Fisher King said:

Ok according to the bonus scenes the third state to abstain was Pennsylvania.

That's really odd because Pennsylvania has 20 representatives. Very unlikely that they would deadlock, unless of course they agreed to abstain if one candidate failed to get 11 votes among the Pennsylvanian delegation.

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46 minutes ago, Maysie said:

I think my favorite part was Charlie Baird appearing naked in the background with his bits all blurred out.

I loved that he casually strolled out naked and then ran off as soon as he saw Catherine.

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I would point out that until last season this show took great pains to avoid identifying the Hughes/Meyer party as either Democrat or Republican. They really strove to avoid that kind of partisan label and wanted to skewer politics in general without making it look like they were taking aim at one particular party. The problem is that they backed themselves into a corner once they got to the general election and had to show states as voting either "blue" or "red" so at that point it became necessary to identify one candidate as "red" and one as "blue." However, they still refrained from ever actually saying "Democrat" or "Republican." 

Now that the general election is over I think they've gone back to trying as hard as possible to avoid using those terms, which is why some "red" states went to Selena and some "blue" states went to O'Brien. 

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On 6/20/2016 at 7:10 PM, Maximum Taco said:

That's getting into a lot of debate over whether the Head of State in a Commonwealth Nation is the Governor General or the Queen or both.

There are examples of Governors General acting unilaterally without the direction of the monarchy, and acting solely in the interests of their nation, suggesting that the GG should be considered head of state in their own right, without the distinction of acting on the monarchy's behalf, because more often then not they act on their nation's behalf as opposed to the monarchy as a whole.

I suppose according to the constitution the Queen is the head of state, or rather the embodiment of the state, but in effectiveness and practice, the Governor General is.

Well pardon me, I stand corrected. Let me rephrase it then.

Let us think why is it that instead of expressing our loyalty to our country and our nation, we do so to a person, to someone who does not even live in our own country?

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I totally love the Jonah/Kane/Richard trio because we have Richard cheerfully supporting Jonah and Kane constantly telling Jonah he's a moron.

The hilarious thing is that I didn't think it was possible for anyone to hate Jonah more than Selina, Dan, Amy, et al clearly do but I guess Kane is entitled to hate him more since he has spent an entire lifetime dealing with Jonah.

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4 hours ago, TV Anonymous said:

Well pardon me, I stand corrected. Let me rephrase it then.

Let us think why is it that instead of expressing our loyalty to our country and our nation, we do so to a person, to someone who does not even live in our own country?

We don't express loyalty to the Queen instead of to the nation. By expressing our loyalty to the Queen we are expressing our loyalty to the nation.

Canadians live in a monarchy, and as such our entire state is personified in the monarch. It is impossible to be loyal to Canada without being loyal to the Queen. By our own laws the Queen is Canada.

That's why the term "head of state" is a misnomer, the Queen isn't the head of state, she is the state in its entirety. This also addresses another point, we are not pledging our loyalty to the Queen as a person, but as the embodiment of the state.

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Has it been explained or does it need to be explained how and why Dan and Amy worked on Jonah's campaign although Jonah seemed to stand against Selina's platform? I mean Amy and Dan will be back in/still are in Selina's office. I hope I am making sense. I am maybe thinking way too much about this, especially since the plan was originally for Jonah to cast his vote for Selina.

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