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I think an origin story like this would be better served by a television series. It was really hard for me to accept that he went from narcissistic neurosurgeon to selfless, time-manipulating wizard over the course of 90 minutes. 

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Saw this last night, and I loved it! It was very much a Marvel movie, but it did have a different look and vibe than most of the other movies, and I love the design of the magic side of the MCU. Plus, we have the magic side of the MCU! None of that "its just alien technology" bullshit, its just straight up magic. Its just what I wanted this movie to be. 

I figured that Cumberbatch would be a great Doctor Strange, and he was just what I was hoping. He plays likable jerk very well, and I bought his change from arrogant asshole to heroic sorcerer. I love that he basically just irritated the bad guy until he gave up. Certainly a different way to defeat a villain than what we`ve seen before. Really, it was a good cast all around. The MCU lives by its excellent casting, and this was no exception. I especially loved Madds as the bad guy. Probably my favorite MCU villain after Loki so far. He actually gave a really threatening performance, while also coming across as someone with a personality. His assumed reactions to Stevens antics were actually pretty funny. 

I think the biggest laugh from my audience was the "Is this my chakra?" "No, its the wi-fi password. We`re not savages." exchange. Plus its classic MCU. Perfect combination of the fantastic, and the everyday modern world. 

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You know, it's a good thing I've never had experiences with hallucinogens, because otherwise I might have spent the entire movie wondering what it would be like to see it while on acid.

Second movie this year where the 3D up-charge was worth it.  And I was impressed by them using Christine Palmer.  That's a deep pull.

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On 11/3/2016 at 10:07 PM, MadyGirl1987 said:

Did we get a Rhody shoutout with the calls about potential patients he was taking before his crash? It went fast, but I thought I heard one described as an ingured Air Force cornel and metal exoskeleton?

Yes, he got a call about Rhodes.

I thought it was pretty good. I know very little about Doctor Strange, so seeing Mordo become a bad guy was suprising. Great effects and visuals. Story was just Okay. I think they could have shortened the beginning and gotten him to Kamar-Taj sooner. I felt like Cumberbatch was basically playing House, I even thought that he sounded a lot like Hugh Laurie. McAdams was wasted, her role could have been played by just about anyone. Also, it took me a long time to figure out from where I knew the actor playing Wong, he was the head of the JPL in "The Martian". Based on the mid credits scene, Loki and Thor are on Earth looking for Odin. I'm wondering how they got from Loki masquerading as Odin to there.

I need to also comment on the surgical scenes. You wouldn't scrub your hands, put on sterile gloves, and then put on a mask. That defeats the whole purpose of putting on sterile gloves. Mask first. Also, you wouldn't drill into someones skull without a mask either. There is the whole sterility issue, but also you wouldn't want bits the person's head going to your mouth either.

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52 minutes ago, ZoqFotPik said:

I need to also comment on the surgical scenes. You wouldn't scrub your hands, put on sterile gloves, and then put on a mask. That defeats the whole purpose of putting on sterile gloves. Mask first. Also, you wouldn't drill into someones skull with a mask either. There is the whole sterility issue, but also you wouldn't want bits the person's head going to your mouth either.

That bothered me too.

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3 hours ago, ZoqFotPik said:

I need to also comment on the surgical scenes. You wouldn't scrub your hands, put on sterile gloves, and then put on a mask. That defeats the whole purpose of putting on sterile gloves. Mask first. Also, you wouldn't drill into someones skull without a mask either. There is the whole sterility issue, but also you wouldn't want bits the person's head going to your mouth either.

 

3 hours ago, starri said:

That bothered me too.

Me also! I may not be a Dr. but I have watched enough episodes of ER to know that is not sterile OR procedure.

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Really really liked it. It was just a fun movie. The story was good, the acting was superb and the way it looked was AMAZING.

My favorite part was the "Adele" to "Beyonce" exchange complete with Single Ladies. That scene got some of the biggest laughs from the collective theatre, and kept me giggling way to long. At this point Marvel is just knocking it out of the park every time. Also an Infinity gem/stone shout out. 

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5 minutes ago, sneakyflute said:

I just revisited that scene. He puts on the gloves last. 

Right, but he scrubbed, touched his face, and then put on his gloves.

You do it mask->scrub->gown->gloves.  After your hands are sterile, you never touch anything that isn't.  Honestly, I'm not sure why the scrubbing isn't extraneous because once your hands come out of the sleeves of the gown, they're not sterile anymore.

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14 minutes ago, starri said:

Right, but he scrubbed, touched his face, and then put on his gloves.

You do it mask->scrub->gown->gloves.  After your hands are sterile, you never touch anything that isn't.  Honestly, I'm not sure why the scrubbing isn't extraneous because once your hands come out of the sleeves of the gown, they're not sterile anymore.

You're touching things before you even open the gloves' packaging. The gloves are presented with with the interior of the cuff exposed so you can don them without touching the sterile exterior. 

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1 minute ago, sneakyflute said:

You're touching things before you even open the gloves' packaging. The gloves are presented with with the interior of the cuff exposed so you can don them without touching the sterile exterior. 

I know that.  I've been scrubbed in to surgeries before.  And if you're gowning and gloving yourself, you open the packaging on the gloves and the gown before you scrub.  I would have given him partial credit for correctly putting on the gown.

This is getting surprisingly heated for probably fifteen seconds of the movie.

Anyway, I really enjoyed it.  The movie, not the scrubbing scene.

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I really enjoyed this and have no regrets about spending the extra money for IMAX 3-D.   As always, the casting was fantastic and I'm glad that they kept the humor that is such a big part of the Marvel movies (I was worried that this one would be too serious and am still worried that The Black Panther). 
At one point my daughter leaned over and said "Here's your Best Special Effects Oscar winner".  We'll see.  I think it definitely deserves a nomination, though.

We all thought Benedict's American accent sounded like Hugh Laurie as Dr. House. 

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1 hour ago, Shannon L. said:

At one point my daughter leaned over and said "Here's your Best Special Effects Oscar winner".  We'll see.  I think it definitely deserves a nomination, though.

It'll be this or The Jungle Book, I expect.

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3 minutes ago, scriggle said:

What are the mid & post credit scenes? Are they worth waiting for?

If you have any familiarity with the comics, what happens in the post-credits scene is no surprise.

The mid-credits scene is golden.

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I didn't like it. I came into the movie knowing nothing about Strange and left not giving a shit. He was not at all redeemed to me. And the character was so smug and arrogant throughout the film I couldn't find anything to root for.

This was a total miss for me. 

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When Doctor Strange was created, it was theorized that artist Steve Ditko did a lot of heavy shit for the psychedelic imagery. And wow, does this movie follow suit. If LSD and mushrooms were involved during the creative process, I will not be shocked.

It's a fun Marvel movie, which puts it above DC's offerings, even as Wonder Woman takes aim . . . and notice how those guys took a World War II story and set it in World War I, probably because non-fans would think they'd be biting off Captain America: The First Avenger. How do you work around a bland villain? Simple . . . make his a disciple of a really big bad. Then my mind starts wandering . . . a nigh-destructive force for evil, a guy using  artifacts he's making up uses on the fly, a canon villain that is an ally throughout the movie, then takes a turn for the dark side after credits . . . am I weird for thinking this is Marvel's Green Lantern? I mean, Doctor Strange is sooooooooo much better, but I think the parallel can be made. I think Marvel is just outright making fun of DC at this point. Why else would the kindasorta love interest's last name be "Palmer," like the Atom?

Apparently, shit will be going down in Thor: Ragnarok. Sweet that Thor has found the magic of the bottomless beer glass

I'm okay with the casting, though I completely understand the criticisms of Tilda Swinton being put in as the Ancient One. I like Wong being sarcastic. If there are more movies with the character, I'd like him to constantly bust Stephen's balls.

Got a laugh out of the "drive responsibly" message at the end of the credits.

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15 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

When Doctor Strange was created, it was theorized that artist Steve Ditko did a lot of heavy shit for the psychedelic imagery. And wow, does this movie follow suit. If LSD and mushrooms were involved during the creative process, I will not be shocked.

There's a book about the untold history of Marvel Comics that I think was called The Untold History of Marvel Comics.  While I don't remember there being anything in particular about Ditko (unless Objectivism was involved, I doubt he was into LSD), but Steve Englehart and Gene Colan who wrote and did art for the comic in the 70s (and quite a bit of this was influenced by them) did a lot, a LOT of LSD.  Which if you were familiar with Englehart's run on Avengers in the early 70s, suddenly has those stories make a lot more sense.

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Did anyone else think that the ending score sounded a lot like the Avengers theme song? Or something similarly familiar?

I wish the movie had began before Iron Man was even a thing rather than being set in 2016. It bothers me that he became the Sorcerer Supreme in what, 6 months? That does compute. I'd imagine he'd need at least a few years to master the arts.

Rachel McAddams was TOTALLY wasted. It's like they're going backward with female representation, I don't think I've seen a Marvel movie where the love interest was this much The Girlfriend. She served no purpose beyond being Strange's emotional punching bag/crutch. Weird weird choice there, Marvel.

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2 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Then my mind starts wandering . . . a nigh-destructive force for evil, a guy using  artifacts he's making up uses on the fly, a canon villain that is an ally throughout the movie, then takes a turn for the dark side after credits . . . am I weird for thinking this is Marvel's Green Lantern

Got a laugh out of the "drive responsibly" message at the end of the credits.

I immediately thought of Parallax and how lame that cloud was. I was happy Dormammu had a face. I also enjoyed he was basically defeated by irritating him. 

I actually laughed out loud at that "drive responsibly" message. I also think I might have been the only one to find that funny in my theater. There was also a Magic Choreographer listed in the credits. How do I get that job?

I'm one of those who continues to side eye the casting, but I also found the movie to be a lot of fun. Marvel owns my wallet at this point, and I look forward to how Strange is included with all our other heroes when they eventually fight Thanos. 

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I don't think Strange is Sorcerer Supreme yet. If there's another film, that will definitely fit under the title. He's got the look, the cloak, and the Eye of Agamentos (or whatever), but he doesn't have the title.

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3 hours ago, JessePinkman said:

Did anyone else think that the ending score sounded a lot like the Avengers theme song? Or something similarly familiar?

I wish the movie had began before Iron Man was even a thing rather than being set in 2016. It bothers me that he became the Sorcerer Supreme in what, 6 months? That does compute. I'd imagine he'd need at least a few years to master the arts.

Rachel McAddams was TOTALLY wasted. It's like they're going backward with female representation, I don't think I've seen a Marvel movie where the love interest was this much The Girlfriend. She served no purpose beyond being Strange's emotional punching bag/crutch. Weird weird choice there, Marvel.

He's not the Sorcerer Supreme at all, I wouldn't even call him a master either. 

 I didn't really mind the way Rachel McAddams was used in the movie. Im not a fan of Marvel romances so if they steer clear of that in the future I would be grateful for that. But I liked that they made her character into a Doctor, I also liked that she ended up as Strange's friend in the end rather than love interest. Now I'm more that okay with McAddams getting more story in the future she's a great actress IMO but I don't want her reduced to a love interest or just a character who helps Strange on occasion. If Marvel can't write for the character like she deserves then she should not be written for at all, but I do hope that she gets much better writing in the future. 

I do think her purpose was to let the audience see how much Strange had change throughout the movie. He's very arrogant and horrible at the beginning of the movie but by the end he's apologizing and recognizing how horribly he treated her. 

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7 hours ago, Jazzy24 said:

But I liked that they made her character into a Doctor

On the flip side, Claire Temple, the character Rosario Dawson plays on the the Netflix shows, is a doctor they turned into a nurse.  So win some, lose some.

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14 minutes ago, starri said:

On the flip side, Claire Temple, the character Rosario Dawson plays on the the Netflix shows, is a doctor they turned into a nurse.  So win some, lose some.

Yeah I'm just glad that we do have a Night Nurse in the MCU. 

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7 minutes ago, Jazzy24 said:

Yeah I'm just glad that we do have a Night Nurse in the MCU. 

Agreed, but I wonder why they went with Christine Palmer and not Linda Carter, since the latter actually has been a sidekick to Strange from time to time and is also canonically a doctor.

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Okay, I suppose he's not the sorcerer supreme but I maintain he got skilled way too quickly. And Rachel McAddams was a doctor but she still didn't have a damn thing to do.

I wasn't overly impressed by this movie or the effects (it seemed to me as soon as they started getting good we were thrown back into the real world. I wanted more of that trippy shit that Strange experience when he first met the Anicent One). Maybe I need to watch it again but as of right now this is the first time Marvel has disappointed me.

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I liked it.  I did not know Dr. Strange too well, but always liked it when he showed up to help out the X-men in the comics. I loved the visuals.  Tilda Swinton was good (like we expect anything less) despite the whitewashing.  Part of me still wonders what it would have been like to see Amitabh Bachchan in the role.

Strange is not the Sorcerer Supreme, I wonder how long he was in the time loop with Dormammu and what he learned while he was there.  it was clearly long enough to hone a few skills.  And I agree with everyone else that I loved that he defeated the villain by annoying him into giving up.

I will admit Rachel McAddams was was underused, but she was good in the scenes she had.  I did like that the story started after their romance and they actually became friends at the end after he realized how bad he was to her.  I'm guessing they went with Christine Palmer rather than Linda Carter because the latter shares the name with the actress who played Wonder Woman.

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I thought this was okay.  I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.  I knew nothing of Dr. Strange going in and wasn't looking forward to this movie at all based on the trailers, but hubby wanted to see it.  Hubby didn't like it - he's big into all things comic books.

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I enjoyed watching the film.  The visuals on the whole were exceptional, and they explained the interdimensional concepts.  There were a couple of moments in the New York guard house that were a bit too green screen, but it felt real most of the time.  The dimension with the fractal hands was creepy.  I also really like the visuals of time manipulation and how they quickly figured out how to use time spinning backward to fight , like throwing the villain into a wall in the process of rebuilding itself.  Probably the biggest success is that the magic is not laughable.

I like the casting.  It’s still very weird listening to Benedict Cumberbatch with an American accent.  I wish that Chiwetel Ejiofor and Benedict Wong had a bit more screen time, but then it’s Doctor Strange’s story.  Mads Mikkelsen managed to squeeze the most out of the minimal material.  His understated humor worked the best for me.

There are a couple things about the pacing that I didn’t like.  I actually feel like it should have been a longer movie or that there should have been a couple time jumps, which are things I wouldn’t say often.  In the earlier parts, after the car wreck and while in Nepal, I felt like things moved too quickly.  Or rather, I really have no idea how much time passed.  How long was Strange in recovery before he exhausted all his medical options?  How long was he studying magic before he started manipulating time?  It feels like about six months total, which doesn’t seem like enough time to become truly desperate or to become a master.  There were a few moments of struggle, but no indication of how long it really was.  I know he’s got a photographic memory, but even so.  This is compounded by Kaecilius stealing the book pages at the beginning – surely he didn’t let the grass grow between that action and trying to topple the defenses.  The second half of the movie then takes place in about twelve hours.

I never felt like Strange reached actual humility; I’m glad Dr. Palmer walked out.  At least he apologized.  And the success in the final battle depends on the coincidence that Strange was wearing an infinity stone at the time of the London attack.

That said, I look forward to the next one, and hope that Marvel makes it a Doctor Strange movie and not Avengers 5.5.  Benedict Cumberbatch and Chiwetel Ejiofor squaring off is plenty of drama on its own.

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ITA about the movie needing more/better defined time jumps. I know that time was supposedly fluid for Strange as he mastered the elements and then joined the fight, but the structure of time for those of us regular mortals was a little too confusing, specifically at the points you mentioned. Which reminds me -- I know I saw some of the gray coming into his hair throughout the movie, but did most of it come in at his temples before or during his countless deaths while we was annoying the daylights (heh) out of Dormammu? It was another time marker for me the kind of got lost in the shuffle.

I went into it knowing virtually nothing about Dr. Strange; Benedict Cumberbatch really made the movie for me. It's funny -- I didn't mind the American accent at all; sometimes it doesn't work for at all (ex. Haley Atwell's accent on her new show), but I didn't even notice it here. Most of the parts I didn't enjoy I can chalk up to character/story introduction, so I'm looking forward to seeing more of Dr. Strange in other movies. 

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 1:59 PM, Glory said:

I didn't like it. I came into the movie knowing nothing about Strange and left not giving a shit. He was not at all redeemed to me. And the character was so smug and arrogant throughout the film I couldn't find anything to root for.

This was a total miss for me. 

This was my big problem with it to. Him against an unspeakable evil, then yes I'm rooting for him to win, but on his own as a person, he was awful. When it got to the end of the movie and the card popped up: "Doctor Strange will return" or whatever it said, I rolled my eyes. He's all of the arrogance of Tony Stark without the same charm or humanity. Even his horrible loss was his own fault. Go around driving like an asshole in the rain and don't be surprised if you get hurt, you know? Mordo was far more interesting for me, as was Wong, the cape and the Ancient One (Tilda Swinton in the role Michelle Yeoh was born to play.)

I'm not entirely sure if the problem was the writing for Strange or Basilisk Crackerjack's acting or both but I don't want to see Strange in Thor, I don't want to see Strange in The Avengers. I don't want to see anymore of Doctor Strange in anything.

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6 hours ago, vibeology said:

Mordo was far more interesting for me, as was Wong, the cape and the Ancient One (Tilda Swinton in the role Michelle Yeoh was born to play.)

Not the cape! Bwah! 

I saw this because someone else paid for my ticket.  The visual effects were well-done, so in that regard, it's worth a matinee in the theater.  Ever since I watched a bit of Sherlock, I feel that's what I get with Cumberbatch in these mainstream films. The Dragon - growly, fire-breathing Sherlock.  Khan - scenery-chewy Sherlock. Strange - mystic Sherlock.  Can't speak for his independent work, as I've not seen any of it. 

I didn't think much of Mikkelsen, either.  The best part was the mid-credits scene. Cumberbatch has good comedic timing, especially opposite Hemsworth.  Both would be better off doing comedy, but I'm sure that's wildly unpopular, and in opposition to the prestige of award-baiting dramas.  

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On 05/11/2016 at 3:27 AM, thuganomics85 said:

I actually had a problem with the music at times, because it felt like it was too similar to Giacchino's work on the Star Trek films.  Kept waiting for either Kirk or Spock to show up.

I did like how the big bad was defeated: not by force or power.  Just by annoying him to the point that he took his ball (or, in this case, underlings), and went home.  Ha!

Oh, good, I wasn't the only one feeling the music was a little too Star Trek.

And, yeah, I quite enjoyed the resolution of the battle.

I'm not sure where Dr. Strange will fall, it was a solid Marvel offering, I enjoyed my time in the theatre. Visuals popped. But for a battle between mages, it still felt like a lot of punchy-kicky-fighty. 

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On 11/4/2016 at 0:13 AM, benteen said:

Mikkelson was definitely a step above the usual Marvel villain.  He really rose above the material for his character.
 

To be fair, in the source comics Kaecilius is basically "Baron Mordo's Minion #3." Giving him more than one line in the story is a step above the pre-existing material.

On 11/7/2016 at 10:17 AM, Lugal said:

Strange is not the Sorcerer Supreme, I wonder how long he was in the time loop with Dormammu and what he learned while he was there.  it was clearly long enough to hone a few skills.  And I agree with everyone else that I loved that he defeated the villain by annoying him into giving up.

Given the circumstances of the  time loop, I don't think he'd have much opportunity to learn anything he didn't already know going in unless Dormammu got bored and started hitting him with new, reproducible spells that could be learned by a human sorcerer from being on the receiving end. However, I would expect that he got extremely good at the spells he'd previously been taught anything about if the loop repeated as many times as it gave the impression of doing.

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To be fair, in the source comics Kaecilius is basically "Baron Mordo's Minion #3." Giving him more than one line in the story is a step above the pre-existing material.

When I said material, I meant the script as opposed to the comics.

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On 11/8/2016 at 2:05 PM, vibeology said:

(Tilda Swinton in the role Michelle Yeoh was born to play.)

Yes! My thoughts exactly.

Other than that, I thought the movie was fine enough, but I hadn't been all that excited about it in the first place so I suppose 'okayness' lived up to what I was expecting. I'll likely see the second movie, but only because I'll see anything Ejiofor is in. 

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"Dormammu, I've come to bargain!"

What I liked about it it wasn't Strange suddenly becoming so powerful in such a short time that he was able to defeat Dormammu but that he cleverly used an already powerful object to trick him. He basically was like Aladdin, with a wearable flying carpet!

I'm still humming the theme song days after and I barely remember most Marvel scores so bravo Michael Giacchino.

I wonder what the makers of Green Lantern thought if and when they saw the movie. It's like Marvel went "Here's how you do it, idiots."

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I really enjoyed this one; not a fan of Mikkelsen (... please don't string me up with fire-cables!) but I usually enjoy Bumbershoot Crackerjack, so I was prepared to like it. I thought the visuals were stunning, and very faithful to Ditko's brain-teasing art -- the reality-bending scenes made me think of what Escher's involuted dimensions might be like, if they had teeth.

I am a fan of Rachel McAdams, so I was hoping she'd have more to do; but at least she didn't require rescue (small mercies?). I loved what Chiwetel Eijofor and The Swinton did. This might have been the warmest performance I've seen from Tilda Swinton.

I wasn't expecting the Eye of Agamotto to be conflated with the Time Gem, so that was interesting.

Just one small nitpick: could no one connected with this movie find out how to pronounce "Cagliostro" correctly? Sufferin' succotash! Er, I mean, "By the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak!" (The eventual pronunciation of "Ragnarok" may well bring me to my knees -- to say nothing of the mis-characterization of its actual meaning!)

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I am a fan of Rachel McAdams, so I was hoping she'd have more to do; but at least she didn't require rescue (small mercies?).

She was the one who actually saved him which was great. I thought she was good in what they were gave her. Not as great as Hayley Atwell's Peggy Carter or even Gwyneth Paltrow's Pepper Potts but definitely better than Natalie Portman's Jane Foster. It is funny though that this is now the fourth person she's fallen for in a movie who could time travel!

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I don't know, Pepper Potts I'd put in the Damsel in Distress column, at least for most of Iron Man 3. (I actually have trouble remembering that Tony and Pepper are a couple, either because Pepper seems barely to tolerate him most of the time, or because the great love of Tony's life appears in his mirror.)

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There was the one scene in The Avengers where they were a sweet, loving, playfully bantering couple and were genuinely happy.

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I wasn't expecting the Eye of Agamotto to be conflated with the Time Gem, so that was interesting.

I realized it the moment he fastforwarded and reversed time on the apple because that's not what the Eye does in the comics. And it doesn't glow green.

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I absolutely loved this movie.  I am not disappointed at all with this aspect of the Marvel universe and I loved Cumberbatch as Strange.  Other people mentioned his accent I did not notice.  What I did notice was the gorgeous costuming all of the fabrics and clothing were excellent if they do not get nominated for an Oscar for this it would pure prejudice against this type of popular movie on the part of the Academy.  

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Loved the trippy CGI effects. Had my usual problem with some of the other CGI stuff. The car crash and some of the human movement up and down walls looked totally fake. Loved that Aladdin's carpet has found another role. Did the name of the book come from Giuseppe Balsamo or did he derive the name of his alias from hearing about the book (I know that in the comics he is a sorcerer rather than a con-man)? Is Mordo's future role to be a sort of alternate version of the Silver Dagger? I thought the "sling rings" were a little hokey. If they were only used as training wheels that more experienced sorcerers no longer need I could accept them. As far as how much time has passed, it depends on when the conflict that resulted in Rhodey's injury occurred and when the 'present day' is supposed to be.

My biggest problem was the blatant HIPAA violation. Strange had no business whatsoever getting Benjamin Bratt's records.

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