S05.E07: Hello Kitty

[tennisgurl]

I just do not get Hannah and Fran still being together. Its clear they are incapable, why do they bother with each other? Would breaking up be an inconvenience? To who? 

 

I normally think more of the shows the gang goes to are pretty pretentious and ridiculous, but this one actually seemed pretty interesting. I kind of just wanted to watch the play, and not deal with Hannah and her drama.

 

The music choices in this show are really great, probably one of my favorite things about the show. That, and the ridiculousness of Marni and Desi. A montogue on Greys Anatomy! Score!   

 

Hannah flashing her vagina...what? I mean, what is even the hell. What was that supposed to accomplish? How did that get her out of trouble? I know that she is apparently popular with students, but wouldn't she have been fired ages ago for all her...Hannahness? I feel like as this show has gone on. Hannah has gone from "awkward and self obsessed, but harmless" to "alien from another planet attempting to understand the ways of the Humans, and failing miserably".  

[WhosThatGirl]

I do think and agree that this is just Lena being all I do what I want!

[racked]

 

Speaking of fantasy, Dill's apartment is fantastic. Kudos to Elijah for calling him out, but this isn't Carrie and Mr. Big - in the real world, people with as much money, fame, and power as Dill seems to have do pretty much whatever they want to do.

 

His apartment is to die for, but I thought his thinking he can just keep sleeping around was so realistic. And his politician like not answering Elijah's questions were spot on too. 

 

I loved Elijah stealing his expensive products! It looked like there were some Kiehl's in there, I would have grabbed them and ran too. 

[teddysmom]

I think the whole point of this show, and especially this episode with the opening scene, is Lena Dunham is going to do whatever she wants to do to be shocking, and damn anyone if they want to say something about it.  That's fine, you do you Lena.  I think you could make better use of the talent you have.  If they give you an award because you did a bush shot, I'll remember that you're a millennial and everybody gets a trophy.  It's not my thing, so I'll move along.

 

My feelings exactly.  I think I watch just to see what crazy shit they'll do.  The show itself is very high quality, the writing is good, the acting is too, it's just the characters are such a bunch of assholes.  With the exception of Ray, and Elijah usually.  

 

But I agree that Lena is so very talented and sometimes it just seems like she puts stuff in the scripts just to see what she can get away with.  I guess that's what therapy is for.   You don't have to shock to prove you're talented.  

[WhosThatGirl]

I mean, the first season of this show was quite good.  And when the characters started, they were my age exactly! )I don't know where the timeline got messed up somewhere since they are now 25 (still) I think that some of the seasons are one year combined) But anyway, I did like the show and thought it was interesting and thought provoking and I thought Lena was very smart. I even liked a bit of season two. But it does seem like now Lena associates shock for edgy and talent and all that. And I am one of the very few people who thought last week's episode was really good, actually. I know people don't like Marnie but I thought that episode was quite a simple, powerful episode. I enjoyed last weeks episode a lot. I thought it was just simple, and not all this other stuff that Lena feels like she has to shock people for..something. I don't know.

[jenh526]

The play was an interesting concept, but I was wondering, do the actors loop their lines? Otherwise, I think you'd miss a lot.

 

I watched the "After the Episode" bit and was surprised that Lena was so blasé about the bush part - yeah, Hannah wants to do this, and Fran doesn't like it so it shows they're incompatible. Huh? With that kind of behavior Hannah would be incompatible with just about everyone on the planet. Does Lena really think this is ok behavior (outside of the acting/porn industry)?

 

I thought the way that the show chose to reveal Adam and Jessa's relationship to Hannah was very creative. I loved the preview for next week with Adam's baby niece in the beanie cap (just like her dad's, in miniature). And I loved Elijah taking all the little bathroom lotions. The small details in this show are fantastic.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Yeah, they might as well say, "I flashed my cervix at him."

I think someone in another show thread explained that we have Oprah to thank. She loves the word vajayjay. Which I guess legitimizes the millenials' usage of the word vagina, when they actually mean bush or labia.

I think Lena Dunham is talented, intelligent, and witty, and she writes great dialogue. But these characters make me cringe.

[qtpye]

I think it offends Hannah that she is with someone so "square".  She considers herself a brilliant artist and Fran is vanilla (even with the naked ex girlfriends pics).

 

She becomes the rebellious teenager with him.

 

I am not surprised the kids love Hannah.  She considers them her peers.  Being a teacher has allowed for her to indulge in her eternal childhood fantasies.  She is the hip cool teacher that everybody loves and wants to hang out with.

 

Fran probably thinks he actually has a duty to teach.

[Kbilly]

In the little episode extra, Lena talks about the flashing scene and how she really wished she had a fuller bush for the scene. It's like, have you ever heard of a merkin or that you don't actually have to show your private privates--that there are things you can do in post? She said it was her first, but I thought we already saw her front this season at least twice? 

"Oh Hannah wants to do something rude,disruptive and inappropriate what a twist!" Indeed Fran. Indeed.

 

I laughed when Hannah did that pouty move on the bed where she put her feet against the wall. 

 

Jessa looked so beautiful on the fire escape, gazing at Adam. The part at the end when we could see Hannah's heart break was so sad, made even sadder by that Curse song they played by Vicktor Taiwo.

[Kat From Jersey]

I think Lena Dunham is talented, intelligent, and witty, and she writes great dialogue. But these characters make me cringe.

 

To me, they also do, but in a good way.  This is a sort-of train wreck TV for me.  I don't like many of the characters (or if I do, it's only parts of them), but I love watching what they do.  I've really enjoyed this season.  I think this season has showcased both the best and worst of each of the characters (except maybe Ray; his personality is mostly a constant).  Hanna started out relatively normal in the beginning, but I knew she'd devolve eventually.

[CofCinci]

In the little episode extra, Lena talks about the flashing scene and how she really wished she had a fuller bush for the scene. It's like, have you ever heard of a merkin or that you don't actually have to show your private privates--that there are things you can do in post? She said it was her first, but I thought we already saw her front this season at least twice?

"Oh Hannah wants to do something rude,disruptive and inappropriate what a twist!" Indeed Fran. Indeed.

A merkin would get in the way of Lena's "bravery".

[sugarbaker design]

To me, they also do, but in a good way.  This is a sort-of train wreck TV for me.  I don't like many of the characters (or if I do, it's only parts of them), but I love watching what they do.

 

 

Right, it reminds me of Britcoms with thoroughly detestable characters (AbFab, Fawlty Towers) that are thoroughly hilarious.

[txhorns79]

Exactly.  She should have been fired on the spot (actually, should have happened a long time ago.  At least at the time of the piercing incident.) and Fran should have dumped her four or five times over.  Even if Fran has serious "need to save her" issues, he should have been pushed past the edge by now.

 

At this point, I fully expect the show to end with the revelation that Hannah has been in an insane asylum this entire time, and everything we have seen is a figment of her imagination.  I just can't imagine that a person can actually act like Hannah does, and remain employed.  I mean, she's very inappropriate with her students, she flashes her boss, what exactly is the line in the sand here? 

[heatherchandler]

I wish I could remember the exact wording, but Lena said something in the "Inside the Episode" thing about how a scene of her showing her vagina was something that had been talked about in the writer's room for a long time and she thought they'd finally given up on it, but it just kept coming back and they found a way to do it in this episode.  I rolled my eyes so hard at that, like it was some big creative decision that just wouldn't leave Lena and the writers alone and had to be done.  I mean, come on. Was there ever a doubt that Lena would insist on giving us full (lower) frontal from Hannah at some point before this series ended?

 

 

 

She really is insufferable in that regard.  She is so precious sometimes.  Like, give me a break!

 

 

Exactly.  She should have been fired on the spot (actually, should have happened a long time ago.  At least at the time of the piercing incident.) and Fran should have dumped her four or five times over.  Even if Fran has serious "need to save her" issues, he should have been pushed past the edge by now.

 

OMG I read this as "Fran has serious "need to SHAVE her" issues" and I was like woah!  Ha!

 

Hannah Fuckin' Horvath!

 

You're fucking OUT!

[peeayebee]

I didn't mind Hannah doing a Sharon-Stone on the principal, but like others here, I don't understand how she keeps her job. I guess the principal is just so weak. He was flustered (not turned on) by what Hannah did and so just dismissed her, unable to collect his thoughts. I guess. And when I say I didn't mind Hannah doing that, I mean that it makes sense for her character to do something outrageous in order to take control of the situation and get herself out.

 

Anyway, she was so infuriating thruout most of the ep. I'm sure that was intentional. Her completely inappropriate behavior at the school (including talking with students about other teachers) and her obliviousness about her behavior was maddening, not just to me, but to Fran. Seems like Fran was the audience stand-in.

 

I also hate how Hannah and then Marnie were so disrespectful to the actors during the play. Even Hannah's little cutesy "I know you're not supposed to hear us, but I think you're a good dancer" remark was self-centered.

 

The play was an interesting backdrop for the show's characters. Everyone is so involved in his/her own life that they can't see, or care, what's going on with others. 

 

Marnie pulling Ray aside just to tell him that she wanted to be alone was selfish and narcissistic. 

 

In the previously from last week, Hannah tells her mom that they did fuck her up. I don't know if her parents did it, but it's true that she's fucked up. As is Marnie. Seems like Adam and Jessa are on a good road. I hope they make it.

 

Oh, and poor Elijah. Dill was too good to be true, which was apparent from day one. Elijah is just one of his many boy toys. But man, I find Dill/Corey Stoll to be so hot. I'm not usually turned on by two men kissing, but when Corey is involved... hot damn.

Edited April 5, 2016 by peeayebee

[CofCinci]

Adam yelled at Hannah for telling him she was attending the Iowa's Writers' Workshop right before he was going onstage, but told Jessa that he didn't need to prepare for this play.

Interesting observation. Adam and Jessa have a shared calm. They're growing on me and I look forward to seeing where their relationship goes. He trusts her to not do anything dramatic to take his attention from his art, which is why he invited her to watch from the fire escape. Hannah wouldn't have been to lean on the fire escape and watch quietly. Outside of the stalking her at AA meetings, this is the most mature, comfortable pairing on the show.

[wendyg]

This isn't an entirely new concept even if it is a trend right now. I recall reading at least ten years ago about plays that took over Manhattan apartments, and attending plays set outside in parks in the UK where the audience moved around from scene to scene (not quite the same but heading down that road.).

[MaggieG]

Why has Fran not broken up with Hannah yet?! Now I'm starting to question his sanity

[txhorns79]

Why has Fran not broken up with Hannah yet?! Now I'm starting to question his sanity

 

I feel like the break up is coming.  I don't really like the way Fran talks down to Hannah, but I can also imagine that Hannah is, at best, a very difficult girlfriend.  It would be hard for me to stay in a relationship with someone who truly doesn't get how over the line it is to flash your genitals at your boss.   

 

 

Oh, and poor Elijah. Dill was too good to be true, which was apparent from day one. Elijah is just one of his many boy toys.

 

I can't say I'm surprised by this.  Those two exist in entirely different worlds. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Count me in as someone who loved Marnie calling Adam & Jessa their "second tier friends."

I also LOVED Elijah telling Dill that "your friends are nice and rich. Mine are are mean & poor." (Paraphrasing)

[jenh526]

But man, I find Dill/Corey Stoll to be so hot. I'm not usually turned on by two men kissing, but when Corey is involved... not damn.

 

Ooh, me too! He looks like he's a good kisser too.

[represent]

 

Count me in as someone who loved Marnie calling Adam & Jessa their "second tier friends."

Yeah, I can't believe Marnie had the best line of the episode. Especially since I haven't watched this show from season one so I do often wonder which of the friends is closest to the other. Like when and where they each met and for how long have they been friends? I don't know any of that history. 

 

Also, Hannah getting up to leave Adam's performance because she heard someone say  something about a bowl full of candy in the next room was hilarious.

 

Edited April 5, 2016 by represent

[stagmania]

Hannah's reaction when she saw Adam and Jessa leaving together really got me; I felt heartbroken for her in that moment. The way Adam and Jessa are handling this is really so shitty, especially when you remember how each of those relationships ended. 

 

I see a lot of people wondering why Fran hasn't dumped Hannah, but I think she's just as justified in dumping him, and probably would have at this point if not for the Adam/Jessa blow. The way he speaks to her is truly awful, and they clearly make each other miserable.

[slasherboy]

Talk about a coincidence .....http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/nyregion/winston-moseley-81-killer-of-kitty-genovese-dies-in-prison.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

[AmandaPanda]

I didn't even understand why Hannah was flashing her vag. It made absolutely no sense. Also, wouldn't the principal then be concerned that Hannah is now just flashing her vag around a school? Why isn't she wearing underwear at school? I'm a teacher and I can't imagine the discomfort of going commando in a skirt at school. There are stairs! There's wind! That kind of shit could get you on a sex offender registry!

 

However, Fran was a total jerk at the end of the episode. I get that he's irritated with her, but break up with her if you hate her that much. 

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah, I can't believe Marnie had the best line of the episode. Especially since I haven't watched this show from season one so I do often wonder which of the friends is closest to the other. Like when and where they each met and for how long have they been friends? I don't know any of that history. 

 

Also, Hannah getting up to leave Adam's performance because she heard someone say  something about a bowl full of candy in the next room was hilarious.

 

Jessa, Hannah, and Marnie all met in college. That's also how Hannah and the girls met Elijah- Hannah dated him. Also Elijah introduced Marnie to Charlie at a party. They met Shoshanna through Jessa because she is Sosh's cousin. They met Ray through Charlie they were in a band together in season 1. Have no clue where Hannah met Adam, they were already in a "thing" not boyfriend/girlfriend, just hooking up when episode 1 aired.

 

My feeling is that Hannah has always been in awe of Jessa but Marnie has always disliked Jessa. I think Marnie and Hannah were best friends at one point; during college, a part of me thinks they were roommates in college, although this has never been mentioned as canon but it sort of makes sense to me that they were roommates in college and then just moved into an apartment afterwards together. And in season 1, they seemed to be close until the second to last episode of that season. It seems like we started the show watching them be great friends and watched it slowly deteriorate and I highly doubt they will ever be as close again as they were then. 

 

Like, for Hannah and Jessa, I don't think the feelings were as deep or connected as the Hannah/Marnie friendship. Like, if there was a real friendship on the show without all the BS fakeness, I would say Hannah and Marnie. Even Lena said that in one of those after the episodes in season 1, the true romance of the show at the time was Hannah and Marnie and their fight at the end of the episode 9 was their "breakup". 

 

This is my take on it.

[kitkat343]

 

I don't know what Marnie wanted when she told Ray she had left Desi.

 

Marnie wants Ray to chase after her.   That's why she dramatically pulls him out in the hallway in the middle of a play to tell him that she needs to be alone by herself for awhile.   I don't know if she actually wants a relationship with him, or if she just wants him to chase her so she can coyly say, "but I need to be alone right now" again when he comes after her.  Her self worth is tied up in her looks and the attention being beautiful attracts from men.  She's about to be divorced, and her singing career hasn't taken off (I don't know what a spot on Grey's Anatomy is worth, but it hadn't happened before the scene with Ray) and apparently her only friends are Hanna and Jessa, who she hates.  So her looks are pretty much the only thing she has going for her.    I was so happy when Ray said that he needed to go back inside or else he'd make the same mistake again since I didn't want her to get the attention she craved.

[txhorns79]

I didn't even understand why Hannah was flashing her vag. It made absolutely no sense.

 

I think she realized she was about to be fired, and did that as a distraction.  A stronger boss would have responded by telling Hannah that he just made her decision easier, and still fired her, but this is Girls, where Hannah only sometimes has to act like a semi-normal person. 

[CofCinci]

Talk about a coincidence .....http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/nyregion/winston-moseley-81-killer-of-kitty-genovese-dies-in-prison.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

He probably died while watching this episode from the shock of Hannah's pubes.

[himela]

I start to like this show more and more every episode. I don't care for most of the characters but it leaves me with a feeling of consolation that there are more people out there having problems other than myself.

 

What I take from this episode is that characters in this show do not change; Hannah is always the innapropriate, spoiled, selfish person. Marnie is always the one who just doesn't think and wants reassurance all the time. Jessa starts to show some true feelings for Adam but I'm not sure of they are real or if she does it to enrage Hannah. Adam is once more a great actor and it's a joy to watch. I'd watch him play anything tbh. Fran needs to run away from Hannah asap.

 

Poor Elijah. Why choose a public figure and demand a relationship from them? Why can't you find a normal person?

[himela]

Hannah is the worst. And I don't understand in her mind how she thinks her behavior is okay. It doesn't make sense to me, either. And then acting all breezy and unabashedly at how she got to keep her job. Like.. what? And.. I just don't get it. It's not even funny ha ha to me, it's ridiculous that this is supposed to be a late 20 something woman who thinks this type of behavior is fine in a professional way.

I'd disagree. I surely find Hannah innapropriate as hell but would you explain to me why her boss accepts her behavior and didn't fire her after her showing him her vagina? He is supposed to be the older and more mature person and in my eyes he is to blame more. Also, I do believe there are circumstances in real life where this kind of behavior exists by young women and make them win something, may it be a better grade from a teacher or a raise from a boss, a cancelation of a ticket from a policeman or free drinks at a bar and so on and on and on. I know we see it and we are like "wtf?" but this behavior exists out there. Edited April 5, 2016 by himela

[terrymct]

I see a lot of people wondering why Fran hasn't dumped Hannah, but I think she's just as justified in dumping him, and probably would have at this point if not for the Adam/Jessa blow. The way he speaks to her is truly awful, and they clearly make each other miserable.

 

Pretty much every single thing he's said to Hannah has been on target.  The issue is that he should still be there living through that crap and feeling that he has to say it.  She's truly horrible in every single way.   That he stays means that he has some tendency to be a "rescuer" which means he could use some therapy himself.  Fran also needs a male friend to tell him "not to stick his d$%k in the crazy".

I think she realized she was about to be fired, and did that as a distraction.  A stronger boss would have responded by telling Hannah that he just made her decision easier, and still fired her, but this is Girls, where Hannah only sometimes has to act like a semi-normal person. 

 

Which means she was just running around the school in a short skirt and no underwear.   See the comment above about stairs, wind, etc.   

[qtpye]

It is interesting to me that Hannah, despite her issues and hygiene, is the one with the least problem attracting friends and lovers.  When I grew up, the conventionally pretty girls were always the center of attention on t.v. shows.  There is even a joke that "t.v. ugly" is actually a really good looking person in real life. 

 

People on the show seem to like Hannah and she is much less lonely then the more conventionally good looking, Jessa and Marnie.  People seem to love Hannah, for whatever reason.

 

Speaking of which, I could not believe how soft and pretty Jessa looked when watching Adam's performance.  Jessa is horrible, but I think for the first time, since the show's run, she actually had genuine feelings for some one.  I am now worried that Adam might hurt her.

 

It is also interesting, that even though Adam is an awkward person, he is very affectionate with all of his girl friends. The way he kissed Jessa from head to toe, before he left, was reflective of that.  Personally, as a woman I would hate that, but some ladies would find it charming.

Edited April 5, 2016 by qtpye

[Brooklynista]

It is interesting to me that Hannah, despite her issues and hygiene, is the one with the least problem attracting friends and lovers.  When I grew up, the conventionally pretty girls were always the center of attention on t.v. shows.  There is even a joke that "t.v. ugly" is actually a really good looking person in real life. 

 

People on the show seem to like Hannah and she is much less lonely then the more conventionally good looking, Jessa and Marnie.  People seem to love Hannah, for whatever reason.

 

Speaking of which, I could not believe how soft and pretty Jessa looked when watching Adam's performance.  Jessa is horrible, but I think for the first time, since the show's run, she actually had genuine feelings for some one.  I am now worried that Adam might hurt her.

 

It is also interesting, that even though Adam is an awkward person, he is very affectionate with all of his girl friends. The way he kissed Jessa from head to toe, before he left, was reflective of that.  Personally, as a woman I would hate that, but some ladies would find it charming.

 

 

This new version of Adam? The Kylo Ren version of Adam?  He could totally kiss me head to toe in an alley.

[WhosThatGirl]

I like Jessa and Adam together but I do agree that Jessa still is a horrible person when it comes to dealing with her friends. Like it's funny, with Adam, she seems nice and someone I would like to hang out with, but the whole hardly acknowledging Hannah's "hello" was downright childish, actually. So.. that. I don't know. I guess it reaffirms my feelings on Jessa, when it's just Adam and her away from the characters of the show they are cute and sweet but Jessa is still Jessa. 

[lucindabelle]

Now I get the episode title.

  

I think it's for kitty Genovese.

His apartment is to die for, but I thought his thinking he can just keep sleeping around was so realistic. And his politician like not answering Elijah's questions were spot on too. 

 

I loved Elijah stealing his expensive products! It looked like there were some Kiehl's in there, I would have grabbed them and ran too.

  

What questions? Elijah beat around the bush and never once came out and said are we exclusive, are you seeing someone else. If he doesn't have the guts to be direct he deserves what he gets.

Hannah's reaction when she saw Adam and Jessa leaving together really got me; I felt heartbroken for her in that moment. The way Adam and Jessa are handling this is really so shitty, especially when you remember how each of those relationships ended. 

 

I see a lot of people wondering why Fran hasn't dumped Hannah, but I think she's just as justified in dumping him, and probably would have at this point if not for the Adam/Jessa blow. The way he speaks to her is truly awful, and they clearly make each other miserable.

How are Jessa and adam supposed to handle it? Hannah didn't want to get back with adam. She's with someone else. This is real life not high school, she does not get to determine who adam sees because he was ONCE her boyfriend.

[represent]

 

I think she realized she was about to be fired, and did that as a distraction.  A stronger boss would have responded by telling Hannah that he just made her decision easier, and still fired her, but this is Girls, where Hannah only sometimes has to act like a semi-normal person.

He doesn't have very good instincts, because from the very first inappropriate interaction/conversation he had with her, I as a principal/boss, would NEVER have a meeting with her without a witness. No way, would I find myself in a room alone with her again, you have to protect yourself. He knows she's inappropriate, but this is about the third time he's put himself in an uncomfortable, maybe liable position by being a room alone with her. 

 

I know the show would probably not go there, I don't think Hannah as selfish and inappropriate as she is would accuse anyone of anything she knows they did not do. But he doesn't know that, he doesn't know her well enough to take that chance. But he does know that she's been inappropriate.

 

Marnie wants Ray to chase after her.   That's why she dramatically pulls him out in the hallway in the middle of a play to tell him that she needs to be alone by herself for awhile.   I don't know if she actually wants a relationship with him, or if she just wants him to chase her so she can coyly say, "but I need to be alone right now" again when he comes after her.  Her self worth is tied up in her looks and the attention being beautiful attracts from men.  She's about to be divorced, and her singing career hasn't taken off (I don't know what a spot on Grey's Anatomy is worth, but it hadn't happened before the scene with Ray) and apparently her only friends are Hanna and Jessa, who she hates.  So her looks are pretty much the only thing she has going for her.    I was so happy when Ray said that he needed to go back inside or else he'd make the same mistake again since I didn't want her to get the attention she craved.

 

 

I sure hope Marnie grows up and becomes a better person, but even if that happens there is no way in hell I want her to get Ray. I hope they get Ray someone who appreciates him from the start. She's horrible when it comes to Ray. Some people were bothered by her "treatment" of Desi in the last episode, not me, because Desi is equal to her when it comes to being a crappy person. 

 

Ray on the other hand does NOT deserve the likes of Marnie, it's a shame he fell for her, and I hope it's wearing off. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by represent

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

 

Girls Breaks The Fourth Wall
Also broken: Hannah's heart. Mark Blankenship answers Jeff Alexander's 38 questions about 38 Neighbors, the theatre piece featured in 'Hello Kitty'!

[SoothingDave]

Vulva. The word you're looking for is "vulva." That's the name for the external female genitalia.

Fran is living with Hannah now, as far as we know. That complicates his instinct to flee. But, flee he must.

That Hannah isn't fired yet is as mystifying as her being hired in yhe first place. Shouldn't a private school have higher standards, and want like a teacher's license?

[stagmania]

How are Jessa and adam supposed to handle it? Hannah didn't want to get back with adam. She's with someone else. This is real life not high school, she does not get to determine who adam sees because he was ONCE her boyfriend.

 

I don't believe I actually said that Hannah gets a say in their relationship, just that the way they've handled (not) telling her is shitty. Adam can of course date whoever he wants, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have some compassion for the way it will affect Hannah. She's still part of his life and ostensibly someone he cares about. And Jessa is just being an awful friend, and very unkind. The least she could do is tell Hannah straight out that she's developed feelings for her ex and is going to pursue a relationship with him, and let Hannah process that without feeling like she's being paranoid or doubting what her intuition is telling her. 

[iggysaurus]

Well I saw the humor in that scene. I don't think it's funny from the POV of a friend or certainly a boyfriend of Hannah's, but as a viewer it was just so over the top ridiculous that I laughed/gasped.

 

 

I saw the humor too. It wasn't laugh out loud funny to me, but I wasn't horrified/disgusted like many seem to be. It's just the kind of ridiculous thing I expect to see on this show.  It's not supposed to be realistic, as in something that anyone in their right mind would actually do at work. This show is basically a comedy (or dramedy?), and one with associations with Judd Apatow, at that.  That scene was totally something you'd see in an Apatow film, like Jason Segel's nude scene in Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Not the same context, but the same "nudity played for laughs/absurdity" kind of thing.  And that's not to say that Girls is meant to be entirely unrealistic either -- I think it can be both.  It can be a show that reflects aspects of real life, for people of a certain age living in NYC and navigating relationships etc., but sprinkled with sort of absurd/extreme elements because ... it's a comedic TV show. (I don't mean that in a snarky way like everyone doesn't know it's a TV show, but just to reiterate that in my opinion, a TV show in this genre has no obligation to be literal or serious.)

 

Also, as ridiculous as Hannah's actions in the principal's office were, I can see how a different type of boyfriend, in the world of the show, might've reacted much differently than Fran did. Adam, for example, might've found it funny. It's just the sort of thing where he might've had respect for Hannah for going through with something so weird and random.  Fran isn't wrong for thinking what Hannah did is totally inappropriate, but is there really any point in him lecturing her and trying to change her? The bottom line is, no matter who's right or wrong, they are incompatible.

Edited April 5, 2016 by iggysaurus

[jenh526]

Vulva. The word you're looking for is "vulva." That's the name for the external female genitalia.

  

I think the only part we really saw was the mons pubis. She didn't have her legs open wide enough to see all the other hidden bits immediately external to the vagina. If we want to get really technical about it. :/

[Kat From Jersey]

 

Poor Elijah. Why choose a public figure and demand a relationship from them? Why can't you find a normal person?

 

I love Elijah this season.  Andrew Rannels has been killing it.  I loved his exchange with the guy who was spilling the beans about all of Dill's conquests.  Elijah - "Go away now please".  Guy - "Okay (slinks away)".

[violetr]

I was nervous about the Kitty Genovese play.  That incident was a coming-of-age moment for me; I couldn't comprehend how it could have happened and I wasn't sure that this show would handle it appropriately.  Other than being a backdrop for Hannah's obnoxiousness, the play itself was respectful enough, so thanks for that.

 

 

As a true crime lover I was really excited about the Kitty Genovese play (and what a great idea!). But then I got annoyed because they never explained the real story. The original NYT piece claimed that 38 neighbors witnessed the rape/murder and did nothing, and that story basically went viral. The paper later wrote an article admitting the story was flawed, but I think public perception of the incident was cemented by then. It's like the old saying - a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on. In truth, yes, some neighbors did nothing, but some did try to help, including a woman who ran into the hall and was with Kitty during her last moments, even though for all she knew the perpetrator was still there. So at least one person risked her life to try to help. 

 

Regardless, I think the idea of 38 Neighbors is so great they should make a real play! Only this time, make sure to tell it accurately. 

[revbfc]

Call me an old fart who's out of touch with Millennial-speak. I am. Call me a grammar Nazi. I'll own it. But, goddammit....

When did pubic areas/mons veneris-es/bushes become vaginas? My formal sex ed consisted of when they herded all us 6th grade boys into the library to show us a film strip that seemed to be more about hygiene than anything else, but the last I heard a vagina was interior apparatus. Unless Hannah gave the principal a speculum after the scene cutaway, she didn't show him her vagina.

I am so weary of the constant misuse of the English language on television. Words have meaning, FFS. Use them correctly.

Rant aside, I was nervous about the Kitty Genovese play. That incident was a coming-of-age moment for me; I couldn't comprehend how it could have happened and I wasn't sure that this show would handle it appropriately. Other than being a backdrop for Hannah's obnoxiousness, the play itself was respectful enough, so thanks for that.

Speaking of Hannah's obnoxiousness, she wouldn't have lasted a month in the real world. The fact that she's still employed as a teacher is nothing more than plot-necessary fantasy.

Speaking of fantasy, Dill's apartment is fantastic. Kudos to Elijah for calling him out, but this isn't Carrie and Mr. Big - in the real world, people with as much money, fame, and power as Dill seems to have do pretty much whatever they want to do.

I get your point, but (in Lena Dunham's defense) "vagina" sounds funnier than the accurate terms.

[WhosThatGirl]

My whole issue at this point with Jessa and Adam is that Jessa never talked to Hannah about it. I feel like with the "friends" Jessa and Hannah are told us to be, the conversation should have happened. Instead, Jessa started a fight because she was feeling mad and angry that she couldn't act on her feelings, then acted on our feelings and now, it's been a few weeks and Jessa still hasn't talked to Hannah since. And now, she's just walking away from the situation. So, to me, she is acting like a child at this point. And that's why I don't like Jessa. With Adam, like I said earlier, she's nice and fun but throw her back in the mix with Hannah and she's her old miserable self. Maybe this means her friendship with Hannah is the problem. It might be. 

[lucindabelle]

A fight? It was a lot more than that. Jessa basically said she didn't want to be friends with Hannah. Meh, I suppose they could have told her but I ont think they HAD to tell her. And if hannah wanted to know she should ask. Similarly Elijah pouted and picked a fight but never actually asked, are we exclusive? Don't feel a lot of sympathy.

[txhorns79]

My whole issue at this point with Jessa and Adam is that Jessa never talked to Hannah about it. I feel like with the "friends" Jessa and Hannah are told us to be, the conversation should have happened. Instead, Jessa started a fight because she was feeling mad and angry that she couldn't act on her feelings, then acted on our feelings and now, it's been a few weeks and Jessa still hasn't talked to Hannah since

 

I agree.  Hannah wouldn't have the right to veto the relationship or anything, but it's just courteous for one friend to tell another that she's now dating her ex (or they have discussed dating).   

 

 

Regardless, I think the idea of 38 Neighbors is so great they should make a real play! Only this time, make sure to tell it accurately.

 

I thought the concept of the play was interesting, but it didn't seem to work all that great in practice.

Edited April 5, 2016 by txhorns79

[represent]

Regardless, I think the idea of 38 Neighbors is so great they should make a real play! Only this time, make sure to tell it accurately.

 

 

I thought the concept of the play was interesting, but it didn't seem to work all that great in practice.

 

 

 

I think it might work if they had like a bell at the end of each act, so that the audience had time to see each skit. So I guess the actors would be performing their skit multiple times a night. Sort of like when they have back to school night in schools where I live and parents go from room to room following their kid's schedule. They ring the bell after each session signaling that it's time to go to the next class for another presentation.

 

I really did like the format of the play, different. For me anyway, I been to a ton of plays, but never one like this. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by represent

[Clanstarling]

I loved marnie calling jessa and Adam "second tier" friends, ha! And she and Desi being awful together about their song. So good. And that last scene with Hannah heartbroken seeing Adam and jessa together. Lena isn't a great actress but she nailed that scene.

I thought it was in character with Marnie - of course she'd rank her friends. I imagine Ray was a second-tier screw.

 

 

I think it's for kitty Genovese.

I'm thinking it serves triple duty here - a wink toward Hannah's spread legs, a bait and switch tease about Shosh, and for Kitty Genovese (which is pretty flippant, considering). Edited April 5, 2016 by clanstarling