The Duggars: In the Media and TLC

[Chai]

That website was actually from GWOP(Gosselins without pity) it was started when Television without pity closed and They wanted to bring awareness that children on reality TV programs are largely unprotected (Filming hours, school regulations, abuse from having money stolen)unlike children in SAG working for regular scripted movies and TV reality TV is a giant gray area. The whole unreality of reality TV was discussed on gwop about the Gosselin family when

Jon and Kate plus 8 were filming and Duggars without pity was an off shoot of that thread.

[Loves2Dance]

The initial reason I heard for the hack was that users could join for free but if they wanted out they had to pay a fee to have their info deleted.

Unfortunately those users are finding out the hard way that nothing ever really deletes from the interwebz.

And I'm guessing a fair number wanted out because of lack of results.

And Josh is still the only one outed. That seems odd. Maybe others used better hidden email addys.

josh_the_man probably wasn't the best username.

He is, by no means, the only one being outed.

 

I've seen lawmakers get slammed for this, another viral YT star get outed by name, the Department of Justice investigating...etc. etc. 

 

I think the internet has come down on him because of his previous scandal and he's admitted to it; just like the viral idiot who faked the pregnancy. As of right now, to slam anyone else they have to do a lot more research because once they say it, they can't be wrong.

 

That being said, a friend of mine who lives about 3 hours away from me was shown a list of men just in her area and no joke, it was more than half the men at her not-so-small heavily Christian church including the minister. 

 

To me, we're still in the calm before the storm of how much worse this scandal is going to get for some. 

[Jellybeans]

I would not want Matt Lauer interviewing Josh- I mean, a known cheater talking to a newly discovered cheater.

I find it odd that all these "top officials" were busted..but what are their names? And where is GEML?

[mbutterfly]

I would not want Matt Lauer interviewing Josh- I mean, a known cheater talking to a newly discovered cheater.

I find it odd that all these "top officials" were busted..but what are their names? And where is GEML?

I'm wondering about GEML, too. On the other names, one was Jeff Ashton who tried Casey Anthony. He gave a weepy presser last night. And very sadly, a sheriff in TX has committed suicide. I suppose there will be more to follow. 

[WhineandCheez]

I read this earlier today, and it blows my mind...it was originally posted in a response to a radar online story in early August...i sure would like to know who this guy is.

http://duggarswithou...ps-comment.html

 

THIS is awesomeness and I believe every single letter, comma and period.

[NextIteration]

Pfft, Matt Lauer cheated?  The things you learn here!

 

I'm really concerned about the larger fallout from this AM Hack and distribution of information.  I'm not advocating cheating, but it happens and in most cultures it's basically an accepted given.  Not here in the U.S. though, and this could really destroy a lot of lives.  I'm pleasantly surprised that only email look-ups are available away from the dark web, but the torrents have made their way to Pirate Bay, so anybody with some database acumen has easier access now.

[Sew Sumi]

That website was actually from GWOP(Gosselins without pity) it was started when Television without pity closed and They wanted to bring awareness that children on reality TV programs are largely unprotected (Filming hours, school regulations, abuse from having money stolen)unlike children in SAG working for regular scripted movies and TV reality TV is a giant gray area. The whole unreality of reality TV was discussed on gwop about the Gosselin family when

Jon and Kate plus 8 were filming and Duggars without pity was an off shoot of that thread.

Actually, DWOP has been around for years, long before TWOP shut down. It allowed all viewpoints, not just anti-Duggar ones. It's the fault of Duggar fans that they don't know how to debate and cam only scream "HATERZZZZZ!" to the rafters.

I used to be a regular there, so yeah, I know what the lay of the land used to be. I also see a few holes in Jim's narrative, but am on my phone, so I can't address them at the moment.

Kokapetl, the Duggars' house became part of the larger churches' parking lot. So yeah, they did technically develop it.

That website was actually from GWOP(Gosselins without pity) it was started when Television without pity closed and They wanted to bring awareness that children on reality TV programs are largely unprotected (Filming hours, school regulations, abuse from having money stolen)unlike children in SAG working for regular scripted movies and TV reality TV is a giant gray area. The whole unreality of reality TV was discussed on gwop about the Gosselin family when

Jon and Kate plus 8 were filming and Duggars without pity was an off shoot of that thread.

Actually, DWOP has been around for years, long before TWOP shut down. It allowed all viewpoints, not just anti-Duggar ones. It's the fault of Duggar fans that they don't know how to debate and cam only scream "HATERZZZZZ!" to the rafters.

I used to be a regular there, so yeah, I know what the lay of the land used to be. I also see a few holes in Jim's narrative, but am on my phone, so I can't address them at the moment.

Kokapetl, the Duggars' house became part of the larger churches' parking lot. So yeah, they did technically develop it.

[Lemur]

Semi OT:  Didn't GWOP spring up after TWOP locked down the Gosselins thread and Kate became She Who Must Not Be Named?  I think it was in between usernames/bannings  at that point. 

[Cherrio]

Yes, the Duggar and Jon and Kate without pity forums have been around a long time.    I read the Jon and Kate forums for many years.

 

 The rules there were followed and they allowed all viewpoints as long as people were respectful.  It was never a witch hunt or anything of the sort.

 

 A lot of people do not like Jon and Kate and The Duggars.    I watched the Duggars as a freak show from the beginning.   Plus, many people are very much against putting children who have no power to say no on reality television.

[kokapetl]

Kokapetl, the Duggars' house became part of the larger churches' parking lot. So yeah, they did technically develop it.

The house was demolished, but some or all of the concrete pad remains. The church may use the property as overflow parking, but it's not a paved parking lot. Edited August 24, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Joe Jitsu913]

I see Josh and Anna on Not-a-Dr.Phil's show.

[Tabbygirl521]

Not Jeff Ashton! Why do I care? But I do.

[Ilovemylabs]

Megyn Kelly is back from vacation and addressed the Josh Duggar situation tonight.  She played 2 clips from her previous interview.  The first was the one where she said to the family (I forget if it was JB and M or the girls) that "some say the reason you have been attacked so much is because of hypocrisy"  and the second was when she was talking to the girls and asked some thing like,"this is it then, right?  No more shoes will be dropping?"  I am paraphrasing her.  She then had on a Southern Baptist minister who also agreed that Josh was a hypocrite and spoke about how Christians are not without sin, no matter what they preach.  I know some people thought her first interview was not hard hitting enough, but I thought she covered everything without being nasty.  She was dealing with a sensitive topic, especially with Jill and Jessa.

 

Edited:  She also went over his statements and said how he changed them and how confusing it was.  First he says this and then he says that.  She said his career as a spokesman for family values was definitely over.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Ilovemylabs

[farmgal4]

I see Josh and Anna on Not-a-Dr.Phil's show.

I can see them on Dr. Phil if he pays enough.

[rulesoftravel]

 

I find it odd that all these "top officials" were busted..but what are their names?

A name of a top Republican party official in LA was released the same day that JD's was.   I even linked it in an earlier post.   Names are out there-it's just JD is the big story.

Edited August 25, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[drafan]

Wow, I'm not getting this....is Jessa's underlined bible post in defense of Josh or not? Granted, I am no bible scholar, to say the least...I've tried to read it (since it's a best-seller and all), but I'm always bored stiff by it and it all seems to be saying the same thing. Goeth forth and doeth as he commands and smite not and cleanseth us. Whatever all that means, it's pretty lost on me.

 

I thought she was defending Josh yet again. Am I incorrect?

 

Good grief...Jessa is up there on the food chain of fame whores....along with worst offenders JB and Mullet, Ben, and Anna. Anna will NEVER leave Josh. She's drunk on the Kool-Aid all right ...the Kool-Aid of FAME. Right now, JB is probably conjuring up how to get the show back...probably pitching another "tell-all" interview where he and Mullet explain that Josh was at the car lot and a Porsche came in...so he started looking up Porsche models, but Porn accidentally came up and he tried frantically to delete it, but he just happened to see some of it. Then he got to DC, and he was looking up baby names for M4, and Madison Ashley came up...then Ashley Madison, and again, he had computer gliches...and he got a little curious again......and that's how his name got linked to that. So he confessed to his dad (barf) and Anna about all that and they laid it on their hearts to forgive him. And then the mean, evil PRESS got hold of it, and guess what???? They're VICTIMS AGAIN!!! Then Anna can come next and tearfully explain how she has been victimized just like Jessa and Jill. Then we'll see pictures (just pictures, no Josh in this interview of course) of perfect-dad Josh frolicking with the 4 little Mkids.

 

Then JB can go back to TLC and repitch a spin-off for Jessa and Jill. Phew.

[Julia]

Wow, I'm not getting this....is Jessa's underlined bible post in defense of Josh or not?

Over on the Ben and Jessa thread, some of us have said we read Jessa's underlined Bible post as defending Josh. I added that I read it also as a kind of "FU, innernetz" Duggars-circling-the-wagons thing. "See, Josh has repented and is forgiven. So, nothing to see here, move right along, and give Jill and me our spinoff show already! I have a baby to deliver, so somebody better get those cameras rolling for the blessed event!"

I read Jessa's message as "Josh sucks, but he wasn't really saved then. Once he's saved he'll be saved, and you're still going to hell." But yeah, still a backhand at Josh embedded in there too.

[cheatincheetos]

The Sam/Nia video (I don't even know who they are, but that's not relevant) brings to mind a general question: how can they *know* god has forgiven them? I'm not religious, but this strikes me as a delusional, arrogant thing to say. Is the idea that as long as they profess faith, every sinful thing they do is forgiven?

Edited August 25, 2015 by cheatincheetos

[lookeyloo]

The show I'd be interested in is "Duggars go Mainstream-after they rethink their positions on...everything! Follow Jim bob and Michelle as they try to navigate the outside world, connect with a mainstream church, send their young children to school, enter them in sports and dance, allow some TV watching and reading of certain books..." Of course this would have to be aired on The Fantasy Network (is there such a thing?)

[cheatincheetos]

A name of a top Republican party official in LA was released the same day that JD's was.   I even linked it in an earlier post.   Names are out there-it's just JD is the big story.

Also there was a former Alabama Congressman who had switched from Democratic to Republican and is going into a mayoral election for Montgomery (might be today, in fact). Last I checked, the Congressman was flat out denying that he had used Ashley Madison.

[floridamom]

I'm not following something here. Am I correct in reading that someone named Jeff Ashton, who is/was the prosecutor in Orlando, FL and tried the Casey Antony case one of the names on that Madison Ashley website account? I don't want to improperly link someone to this, if that's the case....my spouse knew him some years ago professionally...what a thing if it's true...Thanks fellow posters..

[Satchels of gold]

Yep, same Jeff.

[frenchtoast]

The mods have enjoyed some Sweet Fellowship (not like that!) and we have all agreed that discussing Josh and his mention of porn addiction is permissible if the following guidelines are met:

• Talk about Josh and not addiction in general.
• Dismiss and doubt Josh's addiction, not addiction in general.

See the trend? Addiction is a real and terrible affliction that hurts not only those suffering from it, but their families and friends, too. In this case, knowing so little (and sometimes, waaaay too much) about Josh, compulsion is probably the better term to describe his behavior. We know this group will probably have many personal stories, just as we did when the molestation scandal hit. Please continue to be the kind, respectful and thoughtful posters towards each other. You guys have been amazing and it really makes us proud, as corny as that sounds.

[rulesoftravel]

So, if this should be in a different thread, feel free to move it wherever, but it's Social Media and it is about Josh and Anna: 

http://www.people.com/article/anna-duggar-brother-daniel-keller-slams-josh-duggar-on-facebook

 

 

Someone is truly angry at Josh and his support team.

Edited August 25, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[GeeGolly]

The show I'd be interested in is "Duggars go Mainstream-after they rethink their positions on...everything! Follow Jim bob and Michelle as they try to navigate the outside world, connect with a mainstream church, send their young children to school, enter them in sports and dance, allow some TV watching and reading of certain books..." Of course this would have to be aired on The Fantasy Network (is there such a thing?)

Replying to this in the Sweet Fellowship ... thread.

[Churchhoney]

Libby Anne (from a homeschool background with some similarity to the Duggars, now out of that culture) at Patheos has a couple of more good pieces on Josh.

 

One on how she and he suffered from some similar pressures that come with Duggar-type homeschooling:

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/08/josh-duggar-and-the-pressure-of-perfection.html

 

"Unlike Josh Duggar, I attended college, in part because my family was culturally upper middle class while his family is culturally working class. For me, college was simply expected. Some of the other homeschooling parents—primarily those from working class backgrounds like the Duggars—asked my father if I was truly ready for college, and he assured them that I was—in fact, he said the real question was whether college was ready for me. He had that much confidence that my upbringing had made me impervious to any outside assault....For 18 years I had been sheltered and protected and taught, and now I was ready for combat (spiritual combat, of course). I could not fail.

 

"Except that I could. I was an 18-year-old college student on my own for the first time in my life. I was suddenly exposed to people and ideas and a complex world that didn’t conform to the stereotypes I had been taught. For a long time I maintained the beliefs I had been taught so carefully over the years. Those beliefs may had been my parents’ originally, but during my teens I had accepted and embraced them eagerly. They had become my beliefs. And yet the more I learned of the world around me, the more cracks appeared in my worldview. I ultimately had to break down my entire belief system and restructure it.

 

"Think, for a moment, about the amount of pressure all this puts on an 18-year-old....My parents’ standing in the community and their view of their own success in life was completely tied up in how I turned out. They had shaped their entire way of life and their very belief system around molding me into something very specific, and it hadn’t worked.

 

"That hurt. It hurt to know that I was letting my parents down so colossally....

 

"The Christian homeschooling community puts way too much pressure on its children. Of course, there are other communities where this happens as well. Think, for a moment, about parents who decide when their children are young that they will go to Harvard—or the Olympics, or what have you—and then spend their children’s entire growing up years driving them and pushing them and denying them a real childhood. The child is expected to fulfill the parents’ dream. We, too, were denied an ordinary childhood and pushed and driven as our parents sought a specific result. The pressure to perform—the pressure to succeed—was tremendous. Our actions reflected on our parents in a fundamental way—and we knew that.

 

"....Josh grew up with all of the expectations and pressures I have described here and then some—Josh grew up in front of the TLC cameras, held out to the world as the most visible child (or product) of Christian homeschooling. Whatever pressures and expectations I felt pale in comparison before those Josh faced. Josh’s actions and choices as an adult reflected directly back on his parents and their beliefs. He—and his sisters—became the proof that their parents’ beliefs and ideology worked. And then he failed."
 

 

 

The other pointing to a couple of other new pieces about this story, written by people from similar backgrounds:

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/08/its-not-just-about-josh-duggar-some-compiled-readings.html

[Satchels of gold]

Great article. I have have always thought the Duggar child were put on earth to meet their parents needs not vise versa.

[Churchhoney]

Great article. I have have always thought the Duggar child were put on earth to meet their parents needs not vise versa.

 

Ain't it the truth. That's the definition of child abuse, as far as I'm concerned.

[MonicaM]

I only watched this program one time.  I believe it was the very first special, where they "only" had something like 14 kids.  At some point in the show, the older children were lined up and played a musical number.  (I think they were violins?)  Anyway, that was a giant ICK factor for me and I couldn't even hate watch when they were put on the regular schedule.  It seemed to me that the parents were treating them as their little trained monkeys.  What made it even worse was knowing the kids didn't have an outside peer group so they had no idea their parents were humiliating them.  

 

 

[Aja]

  It seemed to me that the parents were treating them as their little trained monkeys.  What made it even worse was knowing the kids didn't have an outside peer group so they had no idea their parents were humiliating them.  

THIS. That is a massive problem for all of them, including Josh. They are all so bloody incredulous that the public isn't all "awww, they're so great." Jim Bob and Michelle's appalling attempts to justify child molestation, Josh's whole existence, Jessa's pregnant pinup photos and contemptuous Instagram posts, all of them. They have no clue what they actually look like. Well, now some of them may be starting to catch a clue. Such as, most unfortunately, Jinger.

[GeeGolly]

I only watched this program one time.  I believe it was the very first special, where they "only" had something like 14 kids.  At some point in the show, the older children were lined up and played a musical number.  (I think they were violins?)  Anyway, that was a giant ICK factor for me and I couldn't even hate watch when they were put on the regular schedule.  It seemed to me that the parents were treating them as their little trained monkeys.  What made it even worse was knowing the kids didn't have an outside peer group so they had no idea their parents were humiliating them.  

I believe there was a recent pic from the day after Michaela Bates' wedding where the Duggars, including Jana and other older kids, and all the littles were gathered up outside the Bates' strip mall church singing.

[Satchels of gold]

Omg the whole wedding talk is giving me a serious case of second hand embarresment . I cringe for those who are too stupid or socially aware to cringe for themselves. Secondly I ate my foot long sub and finished my jello now where are those steamy texts and penis shots I was promised? I swear I'm not going to look at the penis pictures but I will feel better knowing others are.

[EarlGreyTea]

Also there was a former Alabama Congressman who had switched from Democratic to Republican and is going into a mayoral election for Montgomery (might be today, in fact). Last I checked, the Congressman was flat out denying that he had used Ashley Madison.

 

I'm still surprised Josh didn't take this tactic. Several other public figures - Hunter Biden and Snooki''s husband Jionni LaValle - were also allegedly on Ashley Madison, but they've successfully used the "anyone can use any email address to sign up" excuse. Not sure if I believe them, but there's enough reasonable doubt that they will probably get away with it. So not only is Josh a cheater, he's stupid.

[Joe Jitsu913]

Now that the Gravy Train has crashed and burned and the Duggars have faded into obscurity, I can finally live out my fantasy if I ever meet them in person:

Me: Hey, I know you! You're that famous family on tv! The Bateses, right? Can I have your autograph?

Jim Bob: (yuk-yuk laugh) No, we're the Duggars!

Me: Who???

Jim Bob: The Duggars from 19 Kids and Counting.

Me: Jon and Kate plus eight?

Jim Bob: (annoyed) NO, THE DUGGARS!

Me: The Roloffs??

Jim Bob: NO! !

ME: Sorry, I've never heard of the Duggars. (Shrugs and walks away...)

[Churchhoney]

I'm still surprised Josh didn't take this tactic. Several other public figures - Hunter Biden and Snooki''s husband Jionni LaValle - were also allegedly on Ashley Madison, but they've successfully used the "anyone can use any email address to sign up" excuse. Not sure if I believe them, but there's enough reasonable doubt that they will probably get away with it. So not only is Josh a cheater, he's stupid.

 

So far, I've only skimmed the headlines on these other people. Did they have credit-card info revealed as well? That's why Josh came clean, it seems. Too much financial information that tied back to him and would have been hard for somebody else to fake. If somebody's leak doesn't include that, then they're going to have a far easier time claiming that it's a false accusation, whether it is or not. If somebody denies it when there was substantial financial info revealed, then they're exceptionally brazen and gutsy, I guess.

[NextIteration]

I ahem, did a little research and found a site that was up for a little while that showed details from the database, Josh was actually in there three times.  Hunter Biden is probably lying, his credit card info is in the screenshot that Breitbart has up, and it's a screenshot that looks the same as the tool I did my "research" on.

 

Again, I'm deeply worried about the fallout for all kinds of people/families from this disaster, so much that my schadenfreude about Josh has practically diminished to nil.  I found my "research tool" by reading a subreddit of desperate men and women not wanting their lives destroyed.  There are a couple of probable suicides already associated with this and I'm sure there will be more.

 

This isn't very funny to me anymore.

[duggarshow]

I'm still surprised Josh didn't take this tactic. Several other public figures - Hunter Biden and Snooki''s husband Jionni LaValle - were also allegedly on Ashley Madison, but they've successfully used the "anyone can use any email address to sign up" excuse. Not sure if I believe them, but there's enough reasonable doubt that they will probably get away with it. So not only is Josh a cheater, he's stupid.

 

LOL! The Duggar family can't win for losing. Neither can Josh, it seems. While I find his actions reprehensible, I applaud his owning up to them and not lying about it.

[ChocolateAddict]

I ahem, did a little research and found a site that was up for a little while that showed details from the database, Josh was actually in there three times.  Hunter Biden is probably lying, his credit card info is in the screenshot that Breitbart has up, and it's a screenshot that looks the same as the tool I did my "research" on.

Again, I'm deeply worried about the fallout for all kinds of people/families from this disaster, so much that my schadenfreude about Josh has practically diminished to nil.  I found my "research tool" by reading a subreddit of desperate men and women not wanting their lives destroyed.  There are a couple of probable suicides already associated with this and I'm sure there will be more.

This isn't very funny to me anymore.

I have always been of the opinion that the publishing of the data is no less wrong because the website hacked was based on having an affair.  The fact remains that private information was released to the public and could have damaging consequences.  Just because the people on these websites are breaking their marriage vows, doesn't mean that they are less entitled to their privacy.  They weren't actually breaking any laws and now people have done exactly what Josh did and have made themselves into the arbiters of morality. I think that the spouses of these people deserve to know but not when it comes at the cost of internet privacy. There have already been at least 2 suicides linked to this hack and I have no doubt that more will come.  

I think that Josh deserves all this sh*t thrown his way but releasing his private information is a crime.  Unlike with InTouch and JoshGate I, the way that we found out about this was through a criminal act.  Were they breaking moral codes and their marriage vows?  Absolutely.  But I'm not convinced that it justifies a mass violation of privacy. 

I still think that Josh is scum for molesting his sisters and cheating on his wife while calling himself an upstanding moral citizen.  But I'm also not entirely comfortable with how we found out about the most recent scandal.  Regardless of the website, it is still illegal to hack and then publicly release personal, private data.  Does the immoral nature of Ashley Madison outweigh the immoral (and illegal) way that we found out about who these 35 million users are?  I guess that is up to each person to decide.   

Probably not a popular opinion but I thought I'd put it out there.  

[Satchels of gold]

I will step up and say I am a big supporter of Internet privacy. I will also admit to fully enjoying every last lurid detail about Josh. But I am not holding myself up as a bastion of morality or Christian values. Nor am I trying to take away anyone else's rights or spreading misinformation. I speak only for my very imperfect self. As for the 2 suicides, out of a total of 37 million users that number is not statistically significant. Now if one of you kind posters could help me off of this high horse I would appreciate it.

Edited August 26, 2015 by nc socialworker

[Aja]

I will step up and say I am a big supporter of Internet privacy. I will also admit to fully enjoying every last lurid detail about Josh. But I am not holding myself up as a bastion of morality or Christian values. Nor am I trying to take away anyone else's rights or spreading misinformation. I speak only for my very imperfect self. As for the 2 suicides, out of a total of 37 million users that number is not statistically significant. Now if one of you kind posters could help me off of this high horse I would appreciate it.

*helps you down* As usual, I applaud and bow. *applauds and bows*

[Sew Sumi]

And here we go...

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-porn-star-danica-dillon-cheating-hotel/

[ChocolateAddict]

I will step up and say I am a big supporter of Internet privacy. I will also admit to fully enjoying every last lurid detail about Josh. But I am not holding myself up as a bastion of morality or Christian values. Nor am I trying to take away anyone else's rights or spreading misinformation. I speak only for my very imperfect self. As for the 2 suicides, out of a total of 37 million users that number is not statistically significant. Now if one of you kind posters could help me off of this high horse I would appreciate it.

Josh is a smug dickhead who molested his sisters and cheated on his wife.  He is also a terrible person for all the work he did at FRC.  That said, we still found out about Ashley Madison through a criminal act.  I don't object to the criticism or the snark (I've criticized and snarked as much as anyone).  But with the storm starting to settle down, I've thought more about if one immoral act (cheating, generally being a smug dickhead) makes up for another immoral and illegal act (hacking and releasing private information). 

I don't object to the fact that we found out that Josh is a cheater.  I'm just not completely comfortable with how.  

[riverblue22]

So while pregnant Anna is finding recipes like Salmon with peaches her dear Josh is paying for prostitutes and hotel rooms...while she was pregnant.  But then, she usually is pregnant.  Poor kids, having a trash father like that.

[rulesoftravel]

And the shoes are dropping like a sale at Payless.      So much more to come, I fear.

[Joe Jitsu913]

Who knows if this is true.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-porn-star-danica-dillon-cheating-hotel/

[Satchels of gold]

I have always been of the opinion that the publishing of the data is no less wrong because the website hacked was based on having an affair. The fact remains that private information was released to the public and could have damaging consequences. Just because the people on these websites are breaking their marriage vows, doesn't mean that they are less entitled to their privacy. They weren't actually breaking any laws and now people have done exactly what Josh did and have made themselves into the arbiters of morality. I think that the spouses of these people deserve to know but not when it comes at the cost of internet privacy. There have already been at least 2 suicides linked to this hack and I have no doubt that more will come.

I think that Josh deserves all this sh*t thrown his way but releasing his private information is a crime. Unlike with InTouch and JoshGate I, the way that we found out about this was through a criminal act. Were they breaking moral codes and their marriage vows? Absolutely. But I'm not convinced that it justifies a mass violation of privacy.

I still think that Josh is scum for molesting his sisters and cheating on his wife while calling himself an upstanding moral citizen. But I'm also not entirely comfortable with how we found out about the most recent scandal. Regardless of the website, it is still illegal to hack and then publicly release personal, private data. Does the immoral nature of Ashley Madison outweigh the immoral (and illegal) way that we found out about who these 35 million users are? I guess that is up to each person to decide.

Probably not a popular opinion but I thought I'd put it out there.

I actually do agree with you chocolate, Internet privacy is a huge issue espically in countries that don't have the freedoms we do. But I can't lie I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I know it's wrong and yet....,I don't care. I see the Duggars (and like minded people) as a bigger threat to our freedoms then these hackers are. If loving this hack is wrong I don't want to be right.

All snark aside I appreciate your opinion, I really do.

Edited August 26, 2015 by nc socialworker

[NJRach]

 

 

Who knows if this is true.

http://radaronline.c...cheating-hotel/

 

We'll know in a few hours. I noticed with the molestation and Ashley Madison stories, they first appeared on Radaronline or similar sites, then made their way up the food chain, probably as the others verified the facts. It only took a few hours to make it to CNN. So we will know shortly....

[Sew Sumi]

I want credit for breaking it! LOL

[Satchels of gold]

Who knows if this is true.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-porn-star-danica-dillon-cheating-hotel/

Whaaaa? My gut is telling me this isn't true and this women is just trying to get her name out there. having said that, Josh has opened his family up to a whole lot of crazies.

ETA Sew your scoop has been duly noted!

Edited August 26, 2015 by nc socialworker

[Honey]

Who knows if this is true.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-porn-star-danica-dillon-cheating-hotel/

Look at that woman.  She's beautiful, why would she ever sleep with that grease ball?  It's not like he's a millionaire, or could help her with her acting career, or anything.  I don't believe it.