Party of One: Unpopular TV Opinions

[CynicalGirl]

I never liked Mike and Molly either and won't watch the reruns. I should have, because it had a good cast but I really didn't care for the premise of the show or the characters. So I guess I blame the writers.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, CynicalGirl said:

I never liked Mike and Molly either and won't watch the reruns. I should have, because it had a good cast but I really didn't care for the premise of the show or the characters. So I guess I blame the writers.

Yeah for me, it was the premise that was just insulting, and that probably is more on the writers than anyone else. McCarthy specifically rubbed me the wrong way because all of her characters I'd seen up to that point seemed to revolve around the premise that it was shocking and therefore automatically hilarious that overweight women have personalities. And as an overweight woman, I never saw the humor in it or her characters. 

Can You Ever Forgive Me? is the first time I ever felt like I actually saw her acting and didn't feel like she was intended as a walking punchline, and I wish she'd do more of that. She was very good in that movie. 

[sistermagpie]

13 minutes ago, Zella said:

Can You Ever Forgive Me? is the first time I ever felt like I actually saw her acting and didn't feel like she was intended as a walking punchline, and I wish she'd do more of that. She was very good in that movie. 

Probably not an unpopular opinion but damn, I loved that movie and her in it. I remembering seeing a coming attraction for it and it looked like a different movie than it actually was, but I liked her (never really watched Mike & Molly, though) so saw it for that and was so glad I did.

[Zella]

33 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

Probably not an unpopular opinion but damn, I loved that movie and her in it. I remembering seeing a coming attraction for it and it looked like a different movie than it actually was, but I liked her (never really watched Mike & Molly, though) so saw it for that and was so glad I did.

It's such an odd little movie in so many ways--like the world's nerdiest heist film--but it is so good! Definitely one of my favorites from the last few years. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

I'm sick to death of Downton Abbey. Make it stop already.

[Shannon L.]

I thought Melissa McCarthy was great in St. Vincent,  too. I love that movie 

[Blergh]

I wonder if Miss Winfrey truly believed even half of the chin-deep stuff she heaped on Miss DeGeneres on the latter's last show Friday, May 27,2022- or did she just say these things to try to reap genuflection towards HER from Miss DeGeneres?  It just seems that Miss Winfrey can't stand the thought of being ignored or   in obscurity (regardless of her wealth) and has to keep finding ways to stay 'relevant' even if it means    pouring it thick on someone who long since proven to be nowhere near as nice or sincere as she had wanted others to think she was. 

[Gramto6]

Oy Vey, the above makes me so happy I don't follow any of these "stars" anywhere or give a rip about them...

[WritinMan]

3 hours ago, Shannon L. said:

I thought Melissa McCarthy was great in St. Vincent,  too. I love that movie 

St. Vincent is a great movie.

[Hiyo]

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It just seems that Miss Winfrey can't stand the thought of being ignored or   in obscurity (regardless of her wealth) and has to keep finding ways to stay 'relevant'

I think that applies to most celebrities.

[SmithW6079]

10 hours ago, Blergh said:

I wonder if Miss Winfrey truly believed even half of the chin-deep stuff she heaped on Miss DeGeneres on the latter's last show Friday, May 27,2022- or did she just say these things to try to reap genuflection towards HER from Miss DeGeneres?  It just seems that Miss Winfrey can't stand the thought of being ignored or   in obscurity (regardless of her wealth) and has to keep finding ways to stay 'relevant' even if it means    pouring it thick on someone who long since proven to be nowhere near as nice or sincere as she had wanted others to think she was. 

Everything Oprah does is about herself. I remember trying to watch her "salute" to Mary Tyler Moore when Mary died. I turned it off in disgust when I realized it was a "tribute" to how much MTM meant to Oprah.

Related to MTM, I don't think her show is a classic. Mary always seemed on the verge of tears and it was annoying. 

[Haleth]

16 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I'm sick to death of Downton Abbey. Make it stop already.

I enjoyed the show when it was on, but see no reason for the movies.  AAMOF I got into a fight with friends about going to the last one.  Make it stop, indeed.

[DrSpaceman73]

I got bored with downton abbey long before the show ended. 

A movie?  No....

3 hours ago, SmithW6079 said:

Everything Oprah does is about herself. I remember trying to watch her "salute" to Mary Tyler Moore when Mary died. I turned it off in disgust when I realized it was a "tribute" to how much MTM meant to Oprah.

Related to MTM, I don't think her show is a classic. Mary always seemed on the verge of tears and it was annoying. 

Even if you weren't a fan of her show, and honestly I don't recall it and never watched it much, just before my time, her production company transformed tv to the modern era in the 1980s. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

2 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I got bored with downton abbey long before the show ended. 

A movie?  No....

The first two seasons of Downton Abbey are okay in my book. I'll even own to looking back on certain episodes and storylines fondly. After season 3, however, it went down the crapper and just kept spiraling from there.

Not everything has to go on forever. Maybe everything shouldn't go on forever.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Not everything has to go on forever. Maybe everything shouldn't go on forever.

Seriously. Every year, I hope The Simpsons will be cancelled and every year I’m let down. No, I don’t care that they actually had some good episodes this season, it means nothing when they went right back to back to their same old crap.

Edited May 30, 2022 by Spartan Girl

[Cloud9Shopper]

I agree. I still watch SVU out of habit but it’s on its 23rd season and it just isn’t as fun as it used to be. The cast is too small now for interesting character stories since it’s only the detectives and ADA Carisi, and I’ve seen the types of cases they’ve done enough times. What show needs 20+ seasons and beyond? I miss the days when the medical examiner and the psychiatrist (I think that’s what Huang was) or even Cragen and Munch were around. And the writers are still playing games with Liv and Elliot, which is the only thing I care about. 

I feel similar about ER now that I’ve seen the whole thing. IMO it should’ve stopped at the end of S11 once Carter left and gone out with some dignity. (Some will even argue it should’ve ended in S8 once Mark died.) It really nosedived in S12-14 and felt like a totally different show in the same setting. I just pretend those seasons didn’t exist and pick up S15 after S11 now. Thankfully it hasn’t come up in reboot discussions.

[SusanM]

8 hours ago, SmithW6079 said:

Related to MTM, I don't think her show is a classic. Mary always seemed on the verge of tears and it was annoying. 

I never saw that.  To me the MTM show is deservedly a classic and one I can watch again and again.  I can't say the same about any of the spin offs.  The first year of Rhoda was good but it tanked fast.  The Cloris Leachman  show (I think called Phylis) anyway I never see it in reruns and I think I know why. 

[DrSpaceman73]

4 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Seriously. Every year, I hope The Simpsons will be cancelled and every year I’m let down. No, I don’t care that they actually had some good episodes this season, it means nothing when they went right back to back to their same old crap.

Yes I agree.  I still enjoy the show when I watch but there is no need for more episodes at this point. 

And it's in my top 5 favorite shows of all time

[Hiyo]

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The first two seasons of Downton Abbey are okay in my book. I'll even own to looking back on certain episodes and storylines fondly. After season 3, however, it went down the crapper and just kept spiraling from there.

I still enjoyed both the show post season 3 and the movies, as lavish comfort food.

I wish someone would leave me a villa in the south of France in their will...

[Avabelle]

6 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Not everything has to go on forever. Maybe everything shouldn't go on forever.

Greys Anatomy - please just end! 

[Danny Franks]

1 hour ago, Avabelle said:

Greys Anatomy - please just end! 

My girlfriend watches this and I just find it less and less believable that a bunch of middle aged characters still behave like horny twentysomethings. It seems like every time I look up from whatever I'm doing, half the characters have different partners than they had ten minutes ago.

[Blergh]

11 hours ago, SmithW6079 said:

Everything Oprah does is about herself. I remember trying to watch her "salute" to Mary Tyler Moore when Mary died. I turned it off in disgust when I realized it was a "tribute" to how much MTM meant to Oprah.

Related to MTM, I don't think her show is a classic. Mary always seemed on the verge of tears and it was annoying. 

Actually, it was the CBS network memorial show to MTM that they mistakenly let Gayle King host and, it seems, Miss King let Miss Winfrey hog the spotlight by going over in great detail how much MTM had meant to HER (as a working woman in the early 1970's) and replaying Miss Winfrey's imitation of MTM's opening credit sequence as well as Miss Winfrey going into detail about how she dissed her staff for having surprised her with no notice of MTM herself appearing. In the meantime, there were virtually no interviews with the recently deceased Miss Moore's MTM show colleagues. or family members. AT most Miss King should have just had Miss Winfrey sum up her feelings for Miss Moore in two sentences instead of letting her (with her clips) overwhelm  the ostensible tribute to MTM.  Sad part is that Miss King is usually a fairly good and fair interviewer but is unable/unwilling to keep Miss Winfrey from taking over when Miss Winfrey deems it. 

As for MTM, I got tired of Mary Richards NEVER standing up for Rhoda against Phyllis's snotty barbs and for nearly  always letting herself get guilt tripped to back down from bullies such as Phyllis, Ted, Sue Ann. ..and, yes, Lou who'd steamrolled over her for standing up for herself !

[DearEvette]

8 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

The first two seasons of Downton Abbey are okay in my book. I'll even own to looking back on certain episodes and storylines fondly. After season 3, however, it went down the crapper and just kept spiraling from there.

Downton Abbey was good for what it was, which, imo was well costumed domestic soap opera.  My possible UO is that the show was not anywhere as well written or well acted aspopular culture said. 

It trucked in every soap opera and romance cliche, including overly obvious villains, forbidden romances, blackmail, people who overheard the most convenient thing at the most convenient time. Secrets being exposed at the most dramatic moment etc etc.

And Michelle Dockery was like a block of wood, imo.  How she got nominated year after year for best actress as always a mystery to me.

[CoderLady]

To continue piling on Downton Abbey, I couldn't get into it because the combination of characters, relationships, storylines, and time period was altogether too alien to me to be at all interesting, which is my general UO: no matter how critically acclaimed and popular they are, some shows just do absolutely nothing for me.

I do admit though, I came across a knitted hat pattern "inspired" by the show which I liked. I made it, wore it a few times, then moths got to it. Might make another one.

[Blergh]

UO- Speaking of shows that deserve an end date. ..I've said it before but I'll say it again, how the viewing public tolerated 20 episodes much less 20 years  of American Idol    I will never understand. I thought it was downright obnoxious to have had a 'reunion show' just two weeks after Kelly Clarkson won the First Season prize! Those two years it was DEAD (and we no longer had to be bombarded via its self-important hype) were BLISS and I wish it had stayed dead! Here's to hoping it dies soon and STAYS PERMANENTLY DEAD! ENOUGH ALREADY! GO AND STAY AWAY!!!!!

[Mabinogia]

13 minutes ago, CoderLady said:

I do admit though, I came across a knitted hat pattern "inspired" by the show which I liked. I made it, wore it a few times, then moths got to it. Might make another one.

Even unlikable shows can bring something good into your life. lol 

I couldn't get into Downton Abbey (or as I always thought it, Downtown Abbey), but I did love some of the fashion. I'm a sucker for vintage, and the house was beautiful. It was just the characters and storylines I didn't care for. 

42 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

And Michelle Dockery was like a block of wood, imo.  How she got nominated year after year for best actress as always a mystery to me.

She is one of those actors that everyone seems to think is fantastic and I just thing is about as average in every way as is humanly possible. 

[Zella]

Michelle Dockery seems like a perfectly lovely person IRL, but I hated Mary and I hated her performance as Mary. Mary is just an uptight bitch mean girl but not even in a fun way. I also found her kind of stiff and wooden but didn't really take it as a character decision she was intentionally making. I will confess I've never watched her in anything else. She may have more versatility and range than I am ascribing to her.  

[JustHereForFood]

1 hour ago, DearEvette said:

Downton Abbey was good for what it was, which, imo was well costumed domestic soap opera.  My possible UO is that the show was not anywhere as well written or well acted aspopular culture said. 

It trucked in every soap opera and romance cliche, including overly obvious villains, forbidden romances, blackmail, people who overheard the most convenient thing at the most convenient time. Secrets being exposed at the most dramatic moment etc etc.

16 minutes ago, Zella said:

Michelle Dockery seems like a perfectly lovely person IRL, but I hated Mary and I hated her performance as Mary. Mary is just an uptight bitch mean girl but not even in a fun way. I also found her kind of stiff and wooden but didn't really take it as a character decision she was intentionally making. I will confess I've never watched her in anything else. She may have more versatility and range than I am ascribing to her.  

Yes and Yes! The show was nice to look at, with beautiful costumes and some good looking people (Mary and Sybil were so beautiful and I admired Mary's and Edith's hairstyles), but the plot was so soapy and in later seasons just boring and repetitive. It had some good moments like the season 2 Christmas special (the Christmas decorations were always spot on), but it was offset by seasons of just NOTHING happening. And I would even appreaciate a show about nothing if I got some insight into how the world looked back then from it (Crawford comes to mind as an example), but I lost confidence in Fellowes' historical knowledge over the time. There's no way people behaved and talked like that IMO.

And Mary was just insufferable, like most od her family, but more concentrated. I felt sorry for her at times, but I wouldn't want to spend time with her. Same with Edith.

Edited May 30, 2022 by JustHereForFood

[Crs97]

Michelle Dockery starred in Good Behavior as a recovering addict conwoman who has all sorts of different disguises and accents.  I thought she was very good in that.

[DrSpaceman73]

50 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

Yes and Yes! The show was nice to look at, with beautiful costumes and some good looking people (Mary and Sybil were so beautiful and I admired Mary's and Edith's hairstyles), but the plot was so soapy and in later seasons just boring and repetitive. It had some good moments like the season 2 Christmas special (the Christmas decorations were always spot on), but it was offset by seasons of just NOTHING happening. And I would even appreaciate a show about nothing if I got some insight into how the world looked back then from it (Crawford comes to mind as an example), but I lost confidence in Fellowes' historical knowledge over the time. There's no way people behaved and talked like that IMO.

And Mary was just insufferable, like most od her family, but more concentrated. I felt sorry for her at times, but I wouldn't want to spend time with her. Same with Edith.

Mary was a snooty stuck up b****.  No one good enough for her. 

[Irlandesa]

4 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

Michelle Dockery starred in Good Behavior as a recovering addict conwoman who has all sorts of different disguises and accents.  I thought she was very good in that.

Definitely my favorite performance of hers aided by great chem with her co-star.  (Dan Stevens who?)

1 hour ago, DearEvette said:

Downton Abbey was good for what it was, which, imo was well costumed domestic soap opera.  My possible UO is that the show was not anywhere as well written or well acted aspopular culture said. 

It trucked in every soap opera and romance cliche, including overly obvious villains, forbidden romances, blackmail, people who overheard the most convenient thing at the most convenient time. Secrets being exposed at the most dramatic moment etc etc.

And yet, I think it even failed as a soap.  Even in its first two seasons, which I thought were fine, I really had a hard time feeling passionate about much of anything.  I do think I remember rooting for Matthew and Mary but not to the extent that others did.  Or feeling upset at how poor Sybil was treated.  Or much of anything. 

[Zella]

9 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

Michelle Dockery starred in Good Behavior as a recovering addict conwoman who has all sorts of different disguises and accents.  I thought she was very good in that.

I'll have to check that out--thank you!

[Cloud9Shopper]

2 hours ago, Blergh said:

UO- Speaking of shows that deserve an end date. ..I've said it before but I'll say it again, how the viewing public tolerated 20 episodes much less 20 years  of American Idol    I will never understand. I thought it was downright obnoxious to have had a 'reunion show' just two weeks after Kelly Clarkson won the First Season prize! Those two years it was DEAD (and we no longer had to be bombarded via its self-important hype) were BLISS and I wish it had stayed dead! Here's to hoping it dies soon and STAYS PERMANENTLY DEAD! ENOUGH ALREADY! GO AND STAY AWAY!!!!!

I don’t know how it got picked back up by ABC. I watched it for several years when it was on FOX and I think I may have stopped when Kris Allen won. I don’t remember why I quit. It just got repetitive and boring to a point, and I tend to lose interest in things after a while unless it’s a truly compelling or beloved show. 

The Voice is another singing show that just won’t die. I don’t really care for many of the winners of that except Jordan Smith, and most of them don’t end up really doing anything notable. 

Also, don’t forget Survivor is still going! Somehow. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by Cloud9Shopper

[Wiendish Fitch]

How are The Voice and American Idol even still around? In the era of YouTube, TikTok, and anything else I might be overlooking, don't televised talent shows feel a little dated and irrelevant? I mean, anyone with a phone and a dream can go viral instantly, so what's even the point?

[ABay]

I never liked Mary but once she chose Matthew Goode over Julian Ovenden she was dead to me.

[Egg McMuffin]

1 hour ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

Also, don’t forget Survivor is still going! Somehow. 

As long as Botox and jet-black hair dye are available for Jeff Probst, Survivor will keep going.

[Egg McMuffin]

4 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

Yes and Yes! The show was nice to look at, with beautiful costumes and some good looking people (Mary and Sybil were so beautiful and I admired Mary's and Edith's hairstyles), but the plot was so soapy and in later seasons just boring and repetitive. It had some good moments like the season 2 Christmas special (the Christmas decorations were always spot on), but it was offset by seasons of just NOTHING happening. And I would even appreaciate a show about nothing if I got some insight into how the world looked back then from it (Crawford comes to mind as an example), but I lost confidence in Fellowes' historical knowledge over the time. There's no way people behaved and talked like that IMO.

And Mary was just insufferable, like most od her family, but more concentrated. I felt sorry for her at times, but I wouldn't want to spend time with her. Same with Edith.

“Downton Abbey”, like other TV shows that focused on an outsider getting involved with a wealthy family, suffered tremendously when the actor playing that outsider left the show (see Pam Ewing on “Dallas”, Victoria Winters on “Dark Shadows”, Chase Gioberti on “Falcon Crest” for other examples).

[kathyk24]

15 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Seriously. Every year, I hope The Simpsons will be cancelled and every year I’m let down. No, I don’t care that they actually had some good episodes this season, it means nothing when they went right back to back to their same old crap.

I feel that way about Family Guy. The first two seasons it was funny now Lois and Peter are terrible people. I never understood why Stewie hated his family now if Meg wanted to kill them I'd understand.

[SVNBob]

6 hours ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

Also, don’t forget Survivor is still going! Somehow. 

Survivor regularly makes alterations to the format.  If you were to watch the first and most-recent seasons back-to-back, they'd appear to be two different shows based on the same original premise.  As much as many of us Survivor fans dislike many of the changes they've made, they have contributed to the longevity of the show.

4 hours ago, Egg McMuffin said:

As long as Botox and jet-black hair dye are available for Jeff Probst, Survivor will keep going.

This too. 

[Hiyo]

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she chose Matthew Goode over Julian Ovenden

That was actually the correct decision, I thought. Though some people say she was supposed to end up with Julian's character but he wasn't available for the final season, though I'm not sure how true that is.

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“Downton Abbey”, like other TV shows that focused on an outsider getting involved with a wealthy family, suffered tremendously when the actor playing that outsider left the show

I can see that. As much as I enjoyed the show overall, I do feel the first 3 seasons were stronger than the last 3 seasons.

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I feel that way about Family Guy

I never liked Family Guy from day one.

[Cinnabon]

12 hours ago, Blergh said:

UO- Speaking of shows that deserve an end date. ..I've said it before but I'll say it again, how the viewing public tolerated 20 episodes much less 20 years  of American Idol    I will never understand. I thought it was downright obnoxious to have had a 'reunion show' just two weeks after Kelly Clarkson won the First Season prize! Those two years it was DEAD (and we no longer had to be bombarded via its self-important hype) were BLISS and I wish it had stayed dead! Here's to hoping it dies soon and STAYS PERMANENTLY DEAD! ENOUGH ALREADY! GO AND STAY AWAY!!!!!

Yes! I can’t believe this horrendous show has been around for more than 20 years. Add “The Bachelor” and “Survivor “ to that list. Why can’t they ever go away?😆

[andromeda331]

12 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Definitely my favorite performance of hers aided by great chem with her co-star.  (Dan Stevens who?)

And yet, I think it even failed as a soap.  Even in its first two seasons, which I thought were fine, I really had a hard time feeling passionate about much of anything.  I do think I remember rooting for Matthew and Mary but not to the extent that others did.  Or feeling upset at how poor Sybil was treated.  Or much of anything. 

So do I. I love soaps so I didn't mind it being basically a soap with period clothes. But it wasn't even a good soap. 

[Haleth]

13 hours ago, Zella said:

. I will confess I've never watched [Michelle Dockery] in anything else. She may have more versatility and range than I am ascribing to her.  

I recently watch her in Anatomy of a Scandal.  She basically played Mary.  I do agree the fashion from Downton Abbey were spectacular though.  I still crave Edith's peacock dress.

11 hours ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

most of them don’t end up really doing anything notable. 

Wrt American Idol and the Voice and other talent shows, this is what happens when the shows cater to celebrities instead of casting people who can truly judge talent.  I quit watching these shows when it became more about the judges than the contestants.

Edited May 31, 2022 by Haleth

[Wiendish Fitch]

I didn't like Mary from Downton Abbey because... well, to me, there was nothing to like. She was dour, dull, uncharismatic, shallow, and self-absorbed, but everyone just gushed and cooed over her. Maybe Michelle Dockery is a delight and a half in real life, but you'd never know it from Downton Abbey. 

I was also going to use the "not even that pretty" argument, but that's mean and unfair for too many reasons. Besides, a real life socialite from after Mary's time, Kathleen "Kick" Kennedy, wasn't exactly a knockout, but tell that to the veritable legions of men who desperately wanted to date or marry her. Why? Because Kick was spirited, charismatic, confident, witty, fun, talented, and was just apparently a joy to be around. 

See, if they'd imbued Mary with even half of those qualities, I'd get the fuss made over her by other characters, but she came off as such a lump to me.

[proserpina65]

On 5/28/2022 at 8:35 PM, Zella said:

Is it an unpopular opinion to loathe Mike and Molly? Because I hated that show with the passion of a thousand flaming suns. It was one of the reasons I avoided Melissa McCarthy stuff for the longest time. 

Speaking as a non-skinny person, I find fat jokes no less offensive and no more funny when told by fat people so I'm right with you on Mike & Molly.

On 5/30/2022 at 7:34 AM, Haleth said:

I enjoyed the show when it was on, but see no reason for the movies.  AAMOF I got into a fight with friends about going to the last one.  Make it stop, indeed.

I liked the series, liked the first movie and will probably see the new one eventually.  No reason to stop making them if there's an audience for them.  But I wouldn't force someone who wasn't interested to see them.

[Spartan Girl]

4 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I didn't like Mary from Downton Abbey because... well, to me, there was nothing to like. She was dour, dull, uncharismatic, shallow, and self-absorbed, but everyone just gushed and cooed over her. Maybe Michelle Dockery is a delight and a half in real life, but you'd never know it from Downton Abbey. 

I was also going to use the "not even that pretty" argument, but that's mean and unfair for too many reasons. Besides, a real life socialite from after Mary's time, Kathleen "Kick" Kennedy, wasn't exactly a knockout, but tell that to the veritable legions of men who desperately wanted to date or marry her. Why? Because Kick was spirited, charismatic, confident, witty, fun, talented, and was just apparently a joy to be around. 

See, if they'd imbued Mary with even half of those qualities, I'd get the fuss made over her by other characters, but she came off as such a lump to me.

In my experience, most female** characters that are put on a pedestal and fawned over by countless men in reality are either basic at best or horrible at worst. Mary was such a bitch most of the time that I found it mind-boggling why Matthew or all those other guys would be into her.

**Can also apply to male characters of course

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

In my experience, most female** characters that are put on a pedestal and fawned over by countless men in reality are either basic at best or horrible at worst. Mary was such a bitch most of the time that I found it mind-boggling why Matthew or all those other guys would be into her.

**Can also apply to male characters of course

Yeah whenever a character has every other character slobbering over them, it almost always seems to me like they are a writer's pet, and the writing for them is almost always terrible. I'm not sure I've ever liked a character when the show kept feeling the need to tell me that they are irresistible. 

[andromeda331]

12 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I didn't like Mary from Downton Abbey because... well, to me, there was nothing to like. She was dour, dull, uncharismatic, shallow, and self-absorbed, but everyone just gushed and cooed over her. Maybe Michelle Dockery is a delight and a half in real life, but you'd never know it from Downton Abbey. 

I was also going to use the "not even that pretty" argument, but that's mean and unfair for too many reasons. Besides, a real life socialite from after Mary's time, Kathleen "Kick" Kennedy, wasn't exactly a knockout, but tell that to the veritable legions of men who desperately wanted to date or marry her. Why? Because Kick was spirited, charismatic, confident, witty, fun, talented, and was just apparently a joy to be around. 

See, if they'd imbued Mary with even half of those qualities, I'd get the fuss made over her by other characters, but she came off as such a lump to me.

She really was. I can't believe that she would have that many men were would be willing to put up with her even for money. 

4 hours ago, Zella said:

Yeah whenever a character has every other character slobbering over them, it almost always seems to me like they are a writer's pet, and the writing for them is almost always terrible. I'm not sure I've ever liked a character when the show kept feeling the need to tell me that they are irresistible. 

Oh, that's exactly what it is. 

[Blergh]

9 hours ago, Zella said:

Yeah whenever a character has every other character slobbering over them, it almost always seems to me like they are a writer's pet, and the writing for them is almost always terrible. I'm not sure I've ever liked a character when the show kept feeling the need to tell me that they are irresistible. 

As in the cases of Good Times J. J. Evans, Too Close for Comfort Munroe Ficus, Family Matters Stephen Urkel (yes, I said it), Friends Joey Tribbiani, Smallville Lana Lang, Full House Michelle Tanner, Girl Meets World Riley Matthews.. .and many more.

[Spartan Girl]

26 minutes ago, Blergh said:

As in the cases of Good Times J. J. Evans, Too Close for Comfort Munroe Ficus, Family Matters Stephen Urkel (yes, I said it), Friends Joey Tribbiani, Smallville Lana Lang, Full House Michelle Tanner, Girl Meets World Riley Matthews.. .and many more.

May I also add Marge Simpson to the list? Everyone acts like she’s some great prize and mother of the year when she’s clearly anything but (to me, anyway).