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3 hours ago, blackwing said:

I'm not at all surprised that Finn is alive... it's the Bradley way.  This seems like yet another recycled storyline.  The ole "I thought you were dead so I went back to my old flame for comfort and now I'm pregnant oh woe is me".  How many times have we seen something like this on this show?  Brooke with Prick after Ridge fell into the furnace is at least one.

For B&B specifically, that's the only time they've pulled that canard but in general soapdom, that's far from original. From spoilers I've read, it seems we're avoiding the ToD antics but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some retconned moment of passion not unlike what they did with Nick and Katie or even Steffy and Bill.

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What’s with Brooke’s sweater. It looks like she knitted it herself as part of her AA therapy. 

Zende you are a fool. Why wouldn’t Paris have a thing for Carter. Carter is a man and you are just a mouse. 

Grace you want Paris to be a gold digger?  I’m sure that Carter makes a hell of a lot more than Zende. He’s a pseudo Forester but he’s about 10th in line for any executive position and Carter is already an executive. 

Grace, please tell me how Carter cheated on Zoey?  Wasn’t it the other way around with Zoey trying to cheat on Carter lusting after Zende. 

Now on to Brooke and Taylor and Paris and Quinn. Brooke here is the Lioness and Tayler is a drowned rat. Quinn is a Tigress and Paris is a new born Impala. 

Paris and Taylor should meet over coffee and commiserate on being out of there league when it comes to Brooke and Quinn. 

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Grace reminds me of Jack and Phyllis on Y&R in that she thinks she can boss her grown daughter around and tell her who to love. Give it a rest, parents. You’re all just stupid.

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Paris has some nerve speaking to Quinn like she did. I wish Quinn had fired her ass on the spot. However, if Paris goes to the stalker side, that might make her more interesting. Maybe. If it would get her arrested and off the show, I'm all for it. She can be Sheila's cellmate.

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I missed a couple of episodes. So Ridge moved back to Big Daddy’s to ponder which woman he wants to be with even though he is still married to Brooke and she was sabotaged by Shelia? I wish Brooke would tell him to pound rocks and ask Deacon out on a date. 
I’m looking forward to Quinn nailing Eric with the penis tracker, I mean ring.

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Holy Cow, but Brooke totally outclassed Tayloon at Eric's. I am glad that Brooke found a small piece of her backbone and pointed out that the Taytots have been on a mission to recouple Mommy and Daddy, and also noted the important detail that she is still Ridge's wife. I nearly died and went to Heaven though, when Brooke turned Tayloon's snark back on her after she remarked that Brooke always enlisted Eric's help with Ridge, and Brooke rejoindered with if Stephanie were still alive Taylor would have her all over Ridge in her behalf. The WRP (World Renowned Psychologist) was taken off guard with that and let loose with her animosity over Stephanie choosing Brooke at the end of her life. I nearly peed my pants with glee. Tee Hee! What Tayloon is overlooking is that Brooke is not out of line fighting for her marriage, but Tayloon is not only out of line, but completely out of her lane with her behavior with Ridge. A drunken Brooke kissed Deacon on NYE. What is Tayloon's explanation for macking on a very married Ridge while completely sober? Beyotch. 

Quinn looked amazing today, and I wanted her to smack the smirk right off Paris's face. Paris doesn't really know what she is dealing with in Quinn, but if she continues to fuck with her, she will undoubtedly be finding out. I don't really like Quinn but find myself pulling for her in this situation with Carter. Maybe because they were so unexpected and so hot. I think it will be all kinds of hilarious if Paris runs to Eric with her suspicions and puts Eric in a very delicate situation. He can't really lash out at Quinn, particularly since nothing is going on and it is all in Paris's jealous little head, but more so because he has been doing the Honey Bear Horizontal Mombo Dance for months. 

Fuck off Thomas.

Fuck off Grace. 

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I was rather shocked at the snotty, condescending manner in which Paris spoke to Quinn. Who does this little girl think she’s talking to? She has no right to speak to anyone like that. Go home, little girl.

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47 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

I was rather shocked at the snotty, condescending manner in which Paris spoke to Quinn. Who does this little girl think she’s talking to? She has no right to speak to anyone like that. Go home, little girl.

I'm here for anyone giving Quinn the business most of the time, but her insecurities are more obvious than Brooke's are when talking to Hope about Liam, and that's saying a lot.

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As much as I've hated Quinn in the past I have mellowed out towards her a bit. As long as she's not getting indignant with the Logans, (especially Hope/Brooke) or Lame(for obvious reasons) I think just about anyone else on this show is fair enough game tbh. I'm rooting for Quinn to humble Paris sooner than later. I don't know how momma Grace likes to get down but I imagine a battle between her & Quinn to see who's crazier would be very entertaining. 

On 5/28/2022 at 12:29 PM, RuntheTable said:

Holy Cow, but Brooke totally outclassed Tayloon at Eric's. I am glad that Brooke found a small piece of her backbone and pointed out that the Taytots have been on a mission to recouple Mommy and Daddy, and also noted the important detail that she is still Ridge's wife. I nearly died and went to Heaven though, when Brooke turned Tayloon's snark back on her after she remarked that Brooke always enlisted Eric's help with Ridge, and Brooke rejoindered with if Stephanie were still alive Taylor would have her all over Ridge in her behalf. The WRP (World Renowned Psychologist) was taken off guard with that and let loose with her animosity over Stephanie choosing Brooke at the end of her life. I nearly peed my pants with glee. Tee Hee! What Tayloon is overlooking is that Brooke is not out of line fighting for her marriage, but Tayloon is not only out of line, but completely out of her lane with her behavior with Ridge. A drunken Brooke kissed Deacon on NYE. What is Tayloon's explanation for macking on a very married Ridge while completely sober? Beyotch. 

^^^^Preach to the whole post, especially this part. Also, Tayloon's very presence at Eric's house negates all of her hypocritical, shortsighted points anyway. If she really believed herself when she said no one else can convince Ridge either way then why the fuck is she at Eric's house to begin with? At least Brooke was honest about getting Eric's help with Ridge, so Tayloon's little call out even more pointless but I digress. 

I enjoyed her bitter remark at Stephanie accepting Brooke toward the end. Like stay mad bitch 😂 Though I do wonder what it would be like if Stephanie turned on Tayloon full throttle in this situation. 

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1 hour ago, Skarzero said:

I enjoyed her bitter remark at Stephanie accepting Brooke toward the end. Like stay mad bitch 😂

She sounded like the petulant chil she truly is with that, and Krista Allen s little girl voice certainly didn't help.

You know what? She and Ridge are perfect for each other--two bratty (wo)manbabies crying about what the world robbed them of. Thomas and Steffy never stood a chance, being raised by these shitgibbons.

Also, I'm just gonna say it: Stephanie/Taylor was the most toxic friendship in the entire show. Digging back, it becomes clear that Stephanie never gave a shit about Taylor so much as she was a great tool to make Brooke's life miserable with. And as soon as she no longer fulfilled that purpose after Taylor came back from the dead the second time, she was discarded. I know the IRL reason for that final scene we got had more to do with the actresses' history than what played out on screen over the 25 years to that point, but if it's a thing Taylor wants to die mad about (yet again), then so be it. Pull the halo off and be done with it.

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2 hours ago, ByaNose said:

How did Li get Finn, a hospital bed & monitor into the dumpy motel room all by herself? 

I don’t believe that’s a dumpy motel room. It must be a clinic because it had the grounded electrical sockets, on the wall needed to power the monitor. You can see them on the wall behind Li. Beside she would need help to move Finn to keep him from bed sores and blood clots, change the linens, and remove his body wastes. Oh I forgot, where is his feeding tube.  


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Does Donna wear the same outfit every time she plays hide the gherkin with Eric?  I sure hope she washes it first. 

Taylor suggests Stuffy take the kids and go somewhere to help in the mourning process without giving one thought about Liam as Kelly’s father. But of course, Liam, the wuss of all wusses, would think it’s a good idea. 

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2 hours ago, LittleIggy said:

I wish Paris had heard Carter talking about her as the consolation prize he should hold his nose and settle for.

I do too, but only because I can't stand her.

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I can’t believe Eric! He doesn’t want Quinn to catch him, but he somehow flew Donna all the way back to the 80s, & straight into Blanche Devereaux’s bedroom! Make smart choices, Honey Bear. 🤪

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I can't with Carter. Are we supposed to view him as some kind of noble martyr who's sacrificing his happiness by settling for Paris? GMAFB.

It is difficult to believe he's a grown-ass man in his '40s. 

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1 hour ago, backhometome said:

Shallow but Taylors boobs look great in that shirt. 

Eric doesn't seem that into Donna. She is quite pathetic. 

Taylor’s boobs do look a lot better today then when she was younger doing soft porn.

On to today:

Eric/Donna 🙉🙈🙊

Quinn/Carter 👍👎👍👎

Stuffy/Taylor/Ridge same 🐂💩 different day. 

Li/Finn ❤️🙏♥️
 

Finn is doing his best work lying in that bed acting in conscience. 

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3 hours ago, backhometome said:

Eric doesn't seem that into Donna. She is quite pathetic. 

IMO, they both are. I find it so unbelievable that a wealthy divorcee' with Donna's looks and body is sitting home alone and single in L.A. And she obviously is still young enough to attract the dirty old millionaires. She should be on at least her third husband by now.

From Eric's perspective, Donna is good enough to f*** and not much else. I think he loves her but is trying to prove himself that he is a good, devoted husband to Quinn, partially to atone for his cheating, divorces, and marriages in the past. 

Eric extols to that "he is so happy," "doesn't feel this way with anybody else," etc. to Donna while simultaneously lamenting about his marriage to Quinn. Eric knows that Donna loves him and won't waiver, so if he wants to stay married to Quinn, Donna isn't going anywhere. 

What a waste ... I honestly think both women should kick Eric to the curb. 

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2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Taylor’s boobs do look a lot better today then when she was younger doing soft porn.

On to today:

Eric/Donna 🙉🙈🙊

Quinn/Carter 👍👎👍👎

Stuffy/Taylor/Ridge same 🐂💩 different day. 

Li/Finn ❤️🙏♥️
 

Finn is doing his best work lying in that bed acting in conscience. 

Taylor did soft porn?!

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52 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Taylor did soft porn?!

Krista Allen made 7 Emmanuelle movies in 1994. They were rated R but there was a lot of nudity and simulated sex. 

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7 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

I can't with Carter. Are we supposed to view him as some kind of noble martyr who's sacrificing his happiness by settling for Paris? GMAFB.

It is difficult to believe he's a grown-ass man in his '40s. 

That's par for the course on this show. Like damn, in a city of 8 million, Paris is the best he could do? God, I miss the days when people could just have flings (onscreen or off) in between breakups instead of this. But then, Carter's always been stupid, going after emotionally unavailable women or complete twits like Zoe and Paris.

That said, if Quinn and Carter *do* become an item for real, where will the writers go with them? For all that Carter's been a fixture for the last ten years, he's one of the blankest of blank slate characters on this show and I've given up on the idea that this show will ever allow any character of color any agency beyond propping up Bell's other pets. And I sure don't want another triangle that involves Paris because just NO.

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1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

Krista Allen made 7 Emmanuelle movies in 1994. They were rated R but there was a lot of nudity and simulated sex. 

I don’t actually know what those are but I can guess. Wow.

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This is the most tolerable Finn has been, like, ever. The first day he was lying in the bed all you could do was see his eyelids fluttering like the actor had never played "asleep" or "dead" before. 😂😂😂 Then the next day he must have been coached because it was significantly better. It's like those really green child actors who are pretending to be asleep but it's just not happening. 🙄 I just don't know why they're keeping him on, it's just so bad.

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I guess I don't understand why Li has decided to keep Finn's condition a secret. In Soap Opera land, all it takes sometimes is one person's voice to bring someone out of a coma. It seems Li would know that and would be pulling out all the stops with Steffy and Hayes to bring her son back. 

I saw a lot of rapid eye movement in that final shot of Finn. Bad acting, or an indicator that he is regaining consciousness? 

Donna and Carter should have been a thing. They are both gorgeous and single. Yet Donna pines after a man that declared her "too fat", a man that kicked her to the curb once again after she declared her undying love for him and was the only woman who could raise his cannon. He also fired her and sent her on her way. So, what, did he just call or text her and say hey Donna, I am still unable to get it up with Quinn, could you meet me at the club for some afternoon delight? And Donna jumps at the chance. How friggin demeaning. And who is the winner? Why Eric of course; he gets to fuck Donna regularly and listen to her laments of everlasting love, never returning those sentiments, or committing to her in anyway, while keeping Quinn on his arm as his wife. UGH! And Carter? Good grief. What a waste of a character. LSV has proven he can bring it when the material is good. And they waste him on Maya, Zoey and Paris. Give this man a real life grown up woman, who is not in love with another man, who isn't panting after another man, and who is old enough not to make him look foolish. 

I am all about Steffy going away, but they really should clear Kelly going with Liam first. 

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47 minutes ago, Runningwild said:

I can’t watch Ridge, Taylor, Steffy scenes. I find all of their voices to be grating and an affront to my ears. 

FF’d most of yesterday’s repetitive scenes, same old dialogue.  How long is this going to drag on I wonder.   

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Steffy's dialogue consists of repeating the same annoying lines:

My husband is dead.

I never got to say good-bye

We were supposed to grow old together.

My husband is dead.

I never got to say good-bye

We were supposed to grow old together

(And continue to repeat in every scene)

I'm ready for her to bounce offscreen for JMcW's maternity leave.

I don't think Taylor's advice to take time off and remove herself from the painful surroundings is bad but Taylor and not Amelia should be the one to go with her. Or Amelia can take care of the kids while Taylor takes care of Steffy.

Not that it's come up yet but why can't Kelly stay with Liam instead of going with Steffy? He's her father and has stayed with him and Hope when Steffy was in rehab. Unless they think Kelly would have abandonment issues that Steffy took Hayes with her and not Kelly but honestly I think it'd be great to see Liam and Kelly bond and have some non-Steffy time - but I gather Steffy stans would hate it.

Anyway...I'm not here for Quarter's melodrama and while I root for Deric, Eric needs to man up and divorce Quinn. There is no reason for him to lead her on and both parties want to move on to be with someone else.  One thing that stuck out for me with Carter's tearful meltdown is him saying he wants a wife and a family so....what was he planning to do with Quinn when they ran away? Adopt kids? With her past there is no way I can see an adoption agency giving them the okay. I CAN see her desperately buying a black market baby to give Carter what he wants and it being their ruin. You know what? If that's the story for them, then I might watch that crap. Quinn going down for baby trafficking might be entertaining.

I've always liked the idea of Steffy moving on from Liam and finding a man totally and only into her, but Sinn is so uneven and forced in their build-up and the show keeps laying it on so damn thick that I just hate it. This star-crossed lovers split-screen crap with Steffy weeping tearfully while Finn unconsciously fights for his life just isn't landing for me. It's such overkill for a couple that hasn't even celebrated it's one year wedding anniversary. I'd buy this better if it were Bill who was missing and being held hostage by a crazed/cracked ex who was nursing him back to health with Steffy moaning 'Bill and I had finally found each other again' 'We were supposed to grow old together'; Also having Bill missing and presumed dead would open up some great story for Liam, Wyatt, and Katie (on behalf of Will) fighting for Spencer Publications when Caroline coming out of nowhere and setting up someone else to run things and we get a new hot guy or woman to mix it up with Katie or Wyatt (or maybe even Liam once Hope starts sniffing around Thomas or Finn).

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Just when you thought that nothing can be more pathetic than Stuffy, Liam shows up. Some fucking father you are in letting Stuffy take Kelly away from you for an unknown period of time.  Stuffy never even asked Liam in advance but she was on the way to the airport when Stuffy told Liam knowing he would be a MAJOR WUSS. 

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On 5/31/2022 at 7:15 PM, Waldo13 said:

Krista Allen made 7 Emmanuelle movies in 1994. They were rated R but there was a lot of nudity and simulated sex. 

Indeed… that’s how I remembered her in the first place. It was not even that good for storytelling but honestly who would bother trying to write Emmanuelle at all? 

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3 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Just when you thought that nothing can be more pathetic than Stuffy, Liam shows up. Some fucking father you are in letting Stuffy take Kelly away from you for an unknown period of time.  Stuffy never even asked Liam in advance but she was on the way to the airport when Stuffy told Liam knowing he would be a MAJOR WUSS. 

Hey , at least she gave him a heads up this time. When she was escaping LA with Kelly and then to be beloved Liam’s unborn son because she wanted to make things easier for her and FINN, Steffy didn’t ask nor even think about telling Liam what she was doing and was about to trot off to the airport with what she thought were both of his kids and felt every right to do so without consulting him.

I agree that it makes more sense for Kelly to stay with Liam and Hope while Steffy grieves and that Liam could’ve pushed back but honestly Liam is dammed if he does or doesn’t. Push back and he’s seen as selfish and insensitive, he doesn’t pushback he looks like a deadbeat/wuss. Heck there were Steffy fans who were livid that he was taking care of his own child when Steffy went to rehab when it was his right and responsibility to do so. This is another situation where Liam reasonably could totally push back but I think the show is trying to avoid him looking selfish and kicking Steffy when she’s down by ‘taking her child away from her’ and ‘not allowing Kelly grieve for Finn’ . Steffy is the show’s leading lady and blameless heroine dontcha know? All her decisions are right and should be treated as such and if you do anything to be against her or Sinn then you suck and if you’re Liam doing this then you’re being emotionally/psychologically abusive. 
 

Thomas kills me. His butt always shows up at Hope’s home when he knows Liam is out so he can play house for a bit. And he has the gall to sit in Hope’s house making himself comfortable and keeping secret his role in keeping secret what Sheila did. The only point of Douglas now is for Thomas to have reason to sniff around Hope. Karen needs to come get her grandson and tell Thomas to kick rocks. 

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Life would be so much easier for Liam if Bill were Kelly's father.  And a lot more interesting for us. Still holding out hope ... Someday when Brad Bell finds himself painted into a corner again on storyline direction, I fully expect him to play that card. 

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Is Carter unfamiliar with the concept of dating? What a maroon! 🤦‍♀️
Poor Donna. What incredibly low self-esteem she has to be thrilled to be Eric’s side piece. 🤦‍♀️

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On 5/31/2022 at 7:15 PM, Waldo13 said:

Krista Allen made 7 Emmanuelle movies in 1994. They were rated R but there was a lot of nudity and simulated sex. 

Sylvia Kristel will always be Emmanuelle. 

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Fucking Taylor calls out Brooke for going to Eric's to fight for her marriage, but didn't comment on being there herself, and now she follows him there after leaving Steffy at Cliff House. Why doesn't a desperate WRP just move the hell in? It isn't like she hasn't lived there before. Old Taylor was a manipulative, hypocritical, shrieking shrew, but for some reason this version is far more annoying. That voice, and her prissy, superior attitude with Brooke drive me to distraction. She side eyes Brooke for kissing Deacon, and all the while she is macking on, hugging, and hanging all over Brooke's husband. Talk about respecting relationships and having boundaries. 

Finn's finger movement was his best acting to date. 

17 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

I don't think Taylor's advice to take time off and remove herself from the painful surroundings is bad but Taylor and not Amelia should be the one to go with her.

Oh no, that's not ever going to happen. That would remove Taylor from Ridge's orbit, and she wouldn't be able to run interference with Brooke's quest to reunite with her husband. 

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Is it pickle ball or tickle my balls?  Are we to believe that Eric can make a go of it every day?  

Quinn looks fantastic in her light amber sun glasses and her long dark air.  Not a hair out of place unlike Taylor’s drowned dog hair. 

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10 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

She side eyes Brooke for kissing Deacon, and all the while she is macking on, hugging, and hanging all over Brooke's husband. Talk about respecting relationships and having boundaries. 

I think the difference is that Brooke was disrespecting her own marriage by kissing Deacon.  Taylor's not married and has no obligation to anyone.  Ridge is the one disrespecting his marriage to Brooke, not Taylor.  As much as this show tries to tell us otherwise, only the two people in a marriage are responsible for its sanctity.

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I know that Donna is a very attractive and youthful woman but please, writers. Do Not expect us to believe that that old coot, Eric, can keep up with this woman on a daily basis. It’s just not believable even on B&B. Yuck.

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46 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

I know that Donna is a very attractive and youthful woman but please, writers. Do Not expect us to believe that that old coot, Eric, can keep up with this woman on a daily basis. It’s just not believable even on B&B. Yuck.

I thought he had the blue pill to help. Who knows? Anyhoo……Ridge, Taylor & Brooke. It’s like Ridge, Caroline & Brooke back in the day. Ridge wants it all. LOL!!!!

Two observations about the men of B&B. Thornton Kaye is really bulked up. He looked awesome in his sweater. Whereas Sean Kanan looked a lot skinner or leaner maybe. I’m not sure if he’s trying to be leaner or just has lost a lot of weight. That said, he still looked good. I’m still waiting for Deacon visit Sheila in jail for his “WTF Sheila” visit. LOL!!!! 

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Watching that smug hobo smirk while Taylor and Brooke argued over him had me seeing RED!

Taylor is trying W-A-A-Y too hard. And what do she and Ridge need to "process?" Taylor practically put Steffy on that plane herself. 

You would think that Brooke would know by now that her best strategy is to completely ignore Ridge and go on about her life. He'll soon be bored with Taylor and crave excitement with Brooke. It always happens.

At no time during Taylor and Ridge's interaction today did he profess love, kiss her, or act the slightest big affectionate or romantically interested. The man just wanted to east Chinese food! Damn it!

 

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6 hours ago, Cool Breeze said:

I think the difference is that Brooke was disrespecting her own marriage by kissing Deacon.

She was intoxicated. Brooke didn’t do anything Ridge didn’t do with Shauna.

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57 minutes ago, Sweetpea4Utoo said:

Love how Deacon just walks right on in to Brooke's. Who does he think he is and why is Brooke not freaking out that Ridge could find out?

Why should she? Brooke is a grown ass woman who can see anyone she wants in her own house. Deacon isn’t putting the moves on Brooke the way Taylor is on Ridge.

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18 hours ago, Cool Breeze said:

I think the difference is that Brooke was disrespecting her own marriage by kissing Deacon.  Taylor's not married and has no obligation to anyone.  Ridge is the one disrespecting his marriage to Brooke, not Taylor.  As much as this show tries to tell us otherwise, only the two people in a marriage are responsible for its sanctity.

Yes, Brooke did disrespect her marriage, but that does not give Taylor carte blanch to do the same. I think hugging, kissing, and flirting with another woman's husband is disrespecting that marriage, and Taylor is taking full advantage of this opportunity to move in on Ridge. The WRP is absolutely pathetic and is completely obvious in her quest to wrest Ridge from Brooke's life. She knows that Ridge would not have given her a second glance unless he was angry with Brooke about something, and she will gladly accept the crumbs and be a placeholder until Ridge decides his future. 

And she has also used Steffy's situation to her full advantage. I would even go so far as to say that she wanted Steffy out of Ridge's orbit for a while so he can concentrate solely on her. If will give them that common ground to walk, where they are both wondering how their little girl is faring on her own. And of course Taylor is all alone at Cliff house now. 

The whole thing is cringeworthy when you consider the loser that is at the center of it all. Brooke should have been done with his worthless ass after Quinn, but she forgave him, and he fucked her over again with Shauna. All we hear Ridge bellowing about is how could Brooke kiss Deacon a man I despise. But why does he despise him? Deacon's worst crimes were deflowering Bridget while everyone listened in on the phone, and later on shagging and having a baby with his mother-in-law. Yet, Ridge carries on as if he is the scourge of the earth. He only hates Deacon because of the way Deacon rocked Brooke's world. Jealousy; plain and simple. But Ridge had no problem taking up with Shauna, a woman Brooke had every reason to despise. Ridge didn't care that Shauna caused Hope and Brooke months of pain and anguish because she stroked his ego. And as if allowing himself to get sloppy drunk, divorcing his wife, and marrying Shauna wasn't bad enough, he heaped on more humiliation by insisting that he and Shauna have a "proper" marriage ceremony weeks after returning from Vegas. 

17 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

You would think that Brooke would know by now that her best strategy is to completely ignore Ridge and go on about her life. He'll soon be bored with Taylor and crave excitement with Brooke. It always happens.

Brooke needs to let it go; I don't believe it is about destiny anymore so much as it has become a quest to prove she has always been right. She is capable of being so much more than Ridge's doormat, and there a couple of men who could show her a very happy and fulfilling life without Ridge and without chasing destiny. 

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