Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)

[Orcinus orca]

"I am fifty years old and I have nothing" was apparently a euphemism for "I don't have a house but I have plenty of money for impulse travel".

Edited October 14, 2023 by Orcinus orca
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[goofygirl]

Well, why not?  She helped pay for that 11 day Hawaiian vaca Douchie & Sobbyn went on.

[xwordfanatik]

38 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

Well, why not?  She helped pay for that 11 day Hawaiian vaca Douchie & Sobbyn went on.

All three of the OG wives paid big for that one.  But I think the 11 day honeymoon was in San Diego.  Was their Hawaiian trip (that Sobbyn supposedly saved her grocery money for, haha 🙄) 11 days, as well?

This family's spending habits baffle me.  

3 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

"I am fifty years old and I have nothing" was apparently a euphenism for "I don't have a house but I have plenty of money for impulse travel".

Exactly.  Their priorities are something else.  I couldn't live like that.

[Fosca]

I live in Waikiki; I'll have to look for her tomorrow.  There's a fall food festival thing on the main drag tomorrow; I wonder if she'll be there?

[Lurk]

5 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

"I am fifty years old and I have nothing" was apparently a euphenism for "I don't have a house but I have plenty of money for impulse travel".

I hate when people cry broke and then do something like go on a lavish vacation. Broke is cutting the mold off a piece of bread and using a rubber spatula to try to scrape a little peanut butter out of the empty jar to make a sandwich.

 

*according to my "friend" of course

[Cheery Divorcee]

There's a difference between cash flow/income and building wealth over a lifetime. Janelle may have money for living expenses and occasional trips, but at her age she was hoping to have some equity in property after all the money she contributed to the family pot (an inheritance, a 401K, her profit from Vegas).

"I have nothing" doesn't mean she's impoverished, just that she hasn't been able to accumulate any assets in her own name because of how the family's finances were structured and Kody's lack of prioritizing her.

[JenMcSnark]

2 hours ago, Cheery Divorcee said:

There's a difference between cash flow/income and building wealth over a lifetime. Janelle may have money for living expenses and occasional trips, but at her age she was hoping to have some equity in property after all the money she contributed to the family pot (an inheritance, a 401K, her profit from Vegas).

"I have nothing" doesn't mean she's impoverished, just that she hasn't been able to accumulate any assets in her own name because of how the family's finances were structured and Kody's lack of prioritizing her.

So why not take some of her cash flow and buy something?  I know it's not as simple as that, but give up on coyote pass and get something for yourself instead of continuing to make bad decisions. 

[Elizzikra]

2 hours ago, JenMcSnark said:

So why not take some of her cash flow and buy something?  I know it's not as simple as that, but give up on coyote pass and get something for yourself instead of continuing to make bad decisions. 

I don't think she has enough cash to do that. She needs at least a 3 percent downpayment and for someone to give her a loan. I'm not sure which is the more difficult part of that for her, but I don't think either is easy. And of course, with a lower downpayment, her monthly payments will be higher than if she could put down the conventional 20 percent, and then there are closing costs. 

Giving up on Coyote Pass only works if someone buys her share. I don't think that Kody and Robyn are in a position to do that. I don't think Meri wants it. And I don't think there are any interested outside buyers. I can see where she really is stuck.

[surfgirl]

This thread needs to be renamed from:

Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)

to

Janelle Brown: (Not) Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)

[Joan of Argh]

[Sandy W]

29 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

I wonder what the rest of that homemade sign says...unsafe for consumption? unsavory?...

6 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I don't think she has enough cash to do that. She needs at least a 3 percent downpayment and for someone to give her a loan. I'm not sure which is the more difficult part of that for her, but I don't think either is easy. And of course, with a lower downpayment, her monthly payments will be higher than if she could put down the conventional 20 percent, and then there are closing costs. 

Giving up on Coyote Pass only works if someone buys her share. I don't think that Kody and Robyn are in a position to do that. I don't think Meri wants it. And I don't think there are any interested outside buyers. I can see where she really is stuck.

She could sell her RV to raise some cash. She may find it has depreciated a lot but at this point it seems to be a millstone around her neck.

[65mickey]

I don't think that Janelle is in Hawaii on vacation. She posted a picture  of a group that she was having dinner with on the beach. They were not family members and the speculation is that she is with a Plexus group.  

[altopower]

51 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

the speculation is that she is with a Plexus group.  

That was my first thought when she said she was going to Hawaii.

[ginger90]

I doubt very much it is Plexus related. She’s there with members of Butcher Babies.

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

They were not family members and the speculation is that she is with a Plexus group.  

 

[Absolom]

4 hours ago, Sandy W said:

I wonder what the rest of that homemade sign says...unsafe for consumption? unsavory?...

Unsalted.

[GeeGolly]

Two full days in the air for three days on the ground? I'm tired just thinking about it.

[Absolom]

Plus the time changes.  She must have a lot more energy than we think or than she usually shows.

[xwordfanatik]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I doubt very much it is Plexus related. She’s there with members of Butcher Babies.

 

What on earth is that?  

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Two full days in the air for three days on the ground? I'm tired just thinking about it.

 

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

Plus the time changes.  She must have a lot more energy than we think or than she usually shows.

It’s not as if Janelle has a 9-5 job or caregiving responsibilities to get back to. I’m sure one of the kids would dog sit for her. 
 

If I didn’t have to get back to work and/or caregiving afterwards I would be game for three days in Hawaii. She can rest when she gets home. 
 

I learned this year that weekend trips to Europe are a “no”, but when I got back I got right back to work and taking care of my family. I am a bit younger than Janelle, but if I came home to just the pets it wouldn’t have been an issue. 

[Elizzikra]

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Butcher Babies.

What is this?

[Fosca]

It's about an eight-hour flight from Phoenix to Honolulu, and lots of people come here for long weekends.  I wouldn't, but others do.  

Any clues as to where she's at?  I've never seen those Spam-flavored macadamia nuts; that's not likely a "tourist" store.

[ginger90]

8 minutes ago, Fosca said:

 

Any clues as to where she's at?  .

They are staying at Volcom Pipe House, Oahu.

[Ms.Lulu]

3 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

What is this?

Butcher Babies is a heavy metal band.  It looks like Janelle is vacationing with them. Here is a link to one of their songs:

 

 

[Sandy W]

Who would have thought Janelle had a lot in common with Heavy Metal performers? 

I recall she did mention something about attending concerts but didn't realize she was well acquainted enough to holiday with them.

Still waters run deep.

[Joan of Argh]

10 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

Who would have thought Janelle had a lot in common with Heavy Metal performers? 

I recall she did mention something about attending concerts but didn't realize she was well acquainted enough to holiday with them.

Still waters run deep.

I remember Robyn eagerly sharing that Janelle is a big fan of heavy metal and would dress up and go to concerts in Vegas 

[Ms.Lulu]

Really hard for Robyn to judge.

She is an ugly, sneaky person who has worked hard to steal Kody away from his OG3 kids, has collected tacky furnishings and decorations while others live in modest apartments, manipulates Kody as a damsel in distress and used to shop at Victoria's Secret and charge her Cootie sex rags against the house account.

Robyn is the original Cootie Catcher.

[Fosca]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

They are staying at Volcom Pipe House, Oahu.

The Spam macadamias would make sense there; it's about as far from Waikiki that you can get and still be on Oahu.  Lots of surfers.

[LilyD]

On 10/3/2023 at 8:12 PM, ezzy4 said:

As far as legal repercussions, i'm not sure there are any.  The courts aren't set up to save people from their own bad decisions.  Janelle wasn't tricked (at a legal level).  She went along with this mess willingly.  I don't blame Janelle for where she finds herself, but she made a calculated risk and lost.

Where I live, we have courts that deal with “non-criminal cases”. One that settles disputes between people and also handles family matters.I’m sure the US has such options too, especially when it involves divorces or a break up.

I doubt she will though; going to court is very expensive and time consuming. And there is also that matter of their very complicated (and likely very creative) financial situation… Kody admitted so himself, saying that their tax forms were over 50 pages long. Hell knows how big their (legal) trouble could become if a judge were to order a full disclosure of their financial entanglements over the past 15 years! 

[Elizzikra]

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Where I live, we have courts that deal with “non-criminal cases”. One that settles disputes between people and also handles family matters.I’m sure the US has such options too, especially when it involves divorces or a break up.

The US has civil courts and criminal courts. It is very expensive to bring a lawsuit against someone and I doubt Janelle has the resources.

[Absolom]

56 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Where I live, we have courts that deal with “non-criminal cases”. One that settles disputes between people and also handles family matters.I’m sure the US has such options too, especially when it involves divorces or a break up.

In the US divorces are by mutual agreement, mediation, or by family court.  Janelle is not getting a legal divorce as bigamy is illegal in the US and they were never legally married.

She'd have to take it to civil court and I'm not sure she'd find a reputable attorney to take the case.  As said it would be expensive and she seems to have willingly contributed the funds to buying Robyn's house without having her name on the house paperwork or getting a promissary note.  She may not have sufficient or any documentation that the money she put in was other than a gift.

[Elizzikra]

5 hours ago, Sandy W said:

Who would have thought Janelle had a lot in common with Heavy Metal performers? 

I recall she did mention something about attending concerts but didn't realize she was well acquainted enough to holiday with them.

Still waters run deep.

I'm still confused. So she knows them well enough to go to HI to see them and stay in the same hotel? Or she's stalking them? 

Anyway, if that's her thing, good on her. Rock on Janelle!

[Gramto6]

Maybe they are fan club members?

[Joan of Argh]

4 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

Maybe they are fan club members?

I don’t think so she’s there with the band members.

Janelle is close to a few people in the music industry, her best friend growing up is married to Hugh McDonald the current bassist and back up singer for Bon Jovi

when Janelle was in Nashville she spent some time with them.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Joan of Argh

[Quof]

10 hours ago, LilyD said:

Where I live, we have courts that deal with “non-criminal cases”. One that settles disputes between people and also handles family matters.I’m sure the US has such options too, especially when it involves divorces or a break up.

Family court would deal with such a claim.  It's an equitable principle known as "unjust enrichment".  Kody and Janelle had no legal relationship, so she has no legislated protection.  She invested assets in the "family" on the assumption that they would all benefit equally/fairly, and now she is left with nothing while Kody (and Robyn) make out like bandits, at her expense.  

[General Days]

 

23 minutes ago, Quof said:

Family court would deal with such a claim.  It's an equitable principle known as "unjust enrichment".  Kody and Janelle had no legal relationship, so she has no legislated protection.  She invested assets in the "family" on the assumption that they would all benefit equally/fairly, and now she is left with nothing while Kody (and Robyn) make out like bandits, at her expense.  

 

Janelle and Kody have no legal family arrangement, but they have had business relationships. They have both been part of several iterations (Utah, Nevada, Arizona) of Kody Brown Family Entertainment LLC, as have Meri, Christine, and Robyn.

[HoneyBeach]

11 hours ago, Absolom said:

In the US divorces are by mutual agreement, mediation, or by family court.  Janelle is not getting a legal divorce as bigamy is illegal in the US and they were never legally married.

She'd have to take it to civil court and I'm not sure she'd find a reputable attorney to take the case.  As said it would be expensive and she seems to have willingly contributed the funds to buying Robyn's house without having her name on the house paperwork or getting a promissary note.  She may not have sufficient or any documentation that the money she put in was other than a gift.

Would the show, with all the times we've heard about the "family fund", not be useful as proof? I just hate that she actually put her own inheritance and 401K towards the "family fund" and has nothing in return. 

[BuddyMom2]

I wonder what Kody’s relationships are like now with Janelle’s older kids (Logan, Madison and Hunter)? I can’t imagine those kids having any sort of relationship with him after seeing how Kody has treated their mom and younger siblings. Have there been any pictures of Kody with Maddie’s kids?

[Joan of Argh]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:25 AM, AZChristian said:

According to Coconino County records, the Coyote Pass land is divided into four parcels, owned thusly;

How did they all wind up with the legal last name “Brown?”

Meri and Robyn were legally married to Kody but Janelle and Christine never were, did they do a legal name change when they joined the family?

or did they just start calling themselves “Brown” and go get all their documents, drivers licences etc changed?

[Sandy W]

6 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

How did they all wind up with the legal last name “Brown?”

Meri and Robyn were legally married to Kody but Janelle and Christine never were, did they do a legal name change when they joined the family?

or did they just start calling themselves “Brown” and go get all their documents, drivers licences etc changed?

Christine and Janelle may have legally changed their names to Brown when they started cohabitating for continuity with their kid's names.

Before Kody and Robyn were legally married, she officially changed her name to Brown. One Christmas, with trembling lips and quivering jaw, she presented him with the framed document. 

[Joan of Argh]

1 minute ago, Sandy W said:

Christine and Janelle may have legally changed their names to Brown when they started cohabitating for continuity with their kid's names.

Before Kody and Robyn were legally married, she officially changed her name to Brown. One Christmas, with trembling lips and quivering jaw, she presented him with the framed document. 

So was this before or after “cookiegate”?

that’s Robyn always slithering in, having Christine’s family portrait changed to her spawn on Kodys lap, presenting him with name change documents, she’s such a conniving witch!   🙄

I wish they’d have an episode with Garrison, Gabe and Gwen discussing cookiegate and what they thought of Robyn’s performance 😋

[AZChristian]

In most states, you can change your name (first, last or both) as long as you're not doing it to avoid legal responsibilities.

Our grandson's father was never in the picture after his parents divorced, so when he was 18 he legally changed his last name to his step-father's. 

If my understanding is correct, you can't just go into DMV and change your name without documentation that the change is legally approved.

[General Days]

3 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

How did they all wind up with the legal last name “Brown?”

Meri and Robyn were legally married to Kody but Janelle and Christine never were, did they do a legal name change when they joined the family?

or did they just start calling themselves “Brown” and go get all their documents, drivers licences etc changed?

 

3 hours ago, Sandy W said:

Christine and Janelle may have legally changed their names to Brown when they started cohabitating for continuity with their kid's names.

Before Kody and Robyn were legally married, she officially changed her name to Brown. One Christmas, with trembling lips and quivering jaw, she presented him with the framed document. 

I'm pretty sure that in the episode where Robyn changed her name from "Sullivan" (and/or Jessop, and/or Marck) to "Brown" and gave framed documents to Kody as a Christmas or birthday present, Janelle and Christine noted that they had previously changed their legal surnames to Brown, after their spiritual marriages. Iirc, they said it was important to Kody.

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, Sandy W said:

Christine and Janelle may have legally changed their names to Brown when they started cohabitating for continuity with their kid's names.

Before Kody and Robyn were legally married, she officially changed her name to Brown. One Christmas, with trembling lips and quivering jaw, she presented him with the framed document. 

Oh yeah.  Kootie said that "it shocked and awed me."  I doubt he had the same reaction to Janelle's and Christine's last name changes, however and whenever they did it.  Only Sobbyn got to bask in the gushiness of Kootie's "shock(ed) and awe(d)" declaration of shlock.  😝

[islandgal140]

On 10/15/2023 at 7:03 PM, Ms.Lulu said:

She is an ugly, sneaky person who has worked hard to steal Kody away from his OG3 kids,

In Robyn's defense (which actually hurts me to type), that probably amounts to petty larceny. 

[Scarlett45]

On 10/16/2023 at 1:46 PM, BuddyMom2 said:

I wonder what Kody’s relationships are like now with Janelle’s older kids (Logan, Madison and Hunter)? I can’t imagine those kids having any sort of relationship with him after seeing how Kody has treated their mom and younger siblings. Have there been any pictures of Kody with Maddie’s kids?

Logan and Hunter seem to have Kody’s number. They may love him because he is their Dad, but fully understand why their siblings are so hurt and understand why there is estrangement. Maddie probably would let Kody be a grandfather to her kids to the extent that he wants, but she knows that’s not much. 
 

Likely they care more about being a good sibling/child to Janelle than worrying about Kody (as Kody isn’t worrying about them). 
 

Even Mykelti who is a big fan of Kody and Robyn has never said where her siblings stand with Kody is unwarranted. They probably just take every relationship as it stands individually. 

[islandgal140]

18 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Even Mykelti who is a big fan of Kody and Robyn has never said where her siblings stand with Kody is unwarranted. They probably just take every relationship as it stands individually. 

Hasn't Mykelti admitted that she thinks Robyn is manipulative or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

[ginger90]

[xwordfanatik]

7 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Hasn't Mykelti admitted that she thinks Robyn is manipulative or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

I don't remember her saying that, but it fits.  Mykelti is being manipulated by Sobbyn and Kootie.  I hope that the toxic duo will stop/have stopped bad-mouthing Christine and blaming her for everything!  

[Orcinus orca]

11 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

I hope that the toxic duo will stop/have stopped bad-mouthing Christine and blaming her for everything!  

I think Kootie will go to his grave blaming Christine.  But she eats it up so it all balances out between them. And hopefully Truley will be occupied with her new dad so it won't be too detrimental for her.

[Elizzikra]

6 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Go Janelle!