Bort October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Wouldn't a sextape have been easier? There you go, bringing logic into this... 10 Link to comment
Chicago Redshirt October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Also, seems like a stretch that Hubby would go from a marriage where the partners hadn't had sex in a year to hooking up at a swinger's club on the regular. Or maybe not. Link to comment
DearEvette October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 I busted up laughing and the construction dude with the self-professed large member eating that ginormous hot dog. Not only that there was a shot of him where the camera was positioned in front of him, he was sitting with his legs splayed and the hotdog was between his legs, pointed outward exactly where his real penis would be pointed out. It was a very suggestive shot. Link to comment
Tara Ariano October 9, 2015 Author Share October 9, 2015 In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode! The Vodka's Not Helping, Annalise!The mighty fall (at least a little) on How To Get Away With Murder. Link to comment
Dowel Jones October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 I am somewhat curious about the widow's recourse in this situation. Since Annalise went off on a rant (as did the porsecutor), and made the claim in court that she was the murderer without direct evidence to prove it, would the widow have legal standing to sue for defamation of character? I say this because she asked only if the wife picked up the prescription and if she saw the notice on the bottle of Viagra, and then launched into her monologue without waiting for an answer. Does civil law have reach into a courtroom? I wonder what will happen to the careers of the other students in that class when Annalise and the group come crashing down. Link to comment
Mystical chick October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 I watched this episode in complete confusion and I had NO vodka to cause that. I really am missing a piece in the Nate/Wes adventures (although I think I get that they're trying to bring down Annaliese, amirite?). Mostly, there's not one of them I give a rat's ass about (except Asher for comic relief) so whatever happens, alrighty. But I would prefer not to watch shows that are ridiculous and leave me baffled. Do you think if I drank vodka, it would make more sense to me? :) 1 Link to comment
secnarf October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 One thing that really bugged me about this episode, which I didn't mention before but will now since it has come up as a topic of discussion, is that Viagra + nitroglycerin do NOT cause a heart attack. Combined, they cause significant vasodilation (dilation of the blood vessels), which leads to a rapid and extreme drop in blood pressure, which can be quite serious and possibly fatal, but this is absolutely not a heart attack. A heart attack is when the blood vessels supplying blood/oxygen to the heart become blocked and the heart doesn't have enough oxygen to function, which is kind of the opposite of what actually happens when you take Viagra and nitroglycerin together. Nitroglycerin can actually be used to prevent/treat heart attacks. Considering it was so important to the case of the week, I find it quite irritating that they messed this up so badly. 5 Link to comment
cooksdelight October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Thank you for that, because I thought I was losing my mind. I knew that this old man who lived near us when I was a kid would take a nitro pill if he felt chest pains, to prevent a heart attack. However, if the two drugs are taken together, patients have been reported dying of severe hypotension, a rapid and massive drop in blood pressure. The medical advisor on this show must have been on vacation. Link to comment
April Bloodgate October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 I may be mistaken but I don't think she was trying to enhance the sex but to do exactly what happened, give him a heart attack. Okay, but then what did he think she was giving him? She said she had a "treat" for him. Link to comment
secnarf October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Okay, but then what did he think she was giving him? She said she had a "treat" for him. Some type of street drug? She obviously didn't tell him she was trying to give him a heart attack. 1 Link to comment
nutty1 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 (edited) One thing that really bugged me about this episode, which I didn't mention before but will now since it has come up as a topic of discussion, is that Viagra + nitroglycerin do NOT cause a heart attack. Combined, they cause significant vasodilation (dilation of the blood vessels), which leads to a rapid and extreme drop in blood pressure, which can be quite serious and possibly fatal, but this is absolutely not a heart attack. A heart attack is when the blood vessels supplying blood/oxygen to the heart become blocked and the heart doesn't have enough oxygen to function, which is kind of the opposite of what actually happens when you take Viagra and nitroglycerin together. Nitroglycerin can actually be used to prevent/treat heart attacks. Considering it was so important to the case of the week, I find it quite irritating that they messed this up so badly. But a sudden decline in blood pressure can cause decreased blood supply to the coronary arteries (the heart), and could cause a heart attack, especially in people with heart disease. So in a roundabout way, the mixture could cause a heart attack. More often than not, it probably would only cause dizziness and chest pain. But it could definitely cause a heart attack. Nitroglycerine alone is great for treating chest pain and perhaps preventing a heart attack. But combined, it can do more harm than good to the heart. (Old CCU nurse here!) Actually, the law show got it right more than most medical shows do. Edited October 10, 2015 by nutty1 Link to comment
morgankobi October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 I wonder if Rebecca's body will ever be found. Doubt it. Ani put the one capable person on this whole show on the job. The last minute of this show every week is my favorite tv crack! 4 Link to comment
J-Man October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 I know it will never happen, but is it wrong for me to want Nate and Wes to hook up? I never would have thought of it until that last scene. 2 Link to comment
chabelisaywow October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 It's the butler! It's always the butler. and he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for meddling pesky kids! 5 Link to comment
jhlipton October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 But oh Bonnie, falling for Asher? Really? Asher may be a "bro" but he treats Bonnie like a she is the best yhing that's happened to him. It's refreshing to see a character that would be a "Nice Guy" on most shows actually be one of the more considerate. In any case... is there someone on this show who is NOT a killer? THAT would be refreshing! The mouse.... wasn't. So it had to die. Viola Davis is everything though. I think I rewound her drag of the DA last week like four times. It was brilliantly delivered. This week, the look on her face and her line delivery after Sheri Saum's character asked her how she slept at night and she said 'Alone on nice sheets' was dark and fierce and hard and fiyah. LOL. "On comfortable sheets". She was echoing Eve's email from the first scene. 4 Link to comment
darkestboy October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 I really liked this one again. This season has been good so far. Not surprised we got that revelation about the adopted kids though but I'm still not ready to believe it's entirely them just yet. I did like learning quickly that Levi is actually Rebecca's foster brother and that Wes couldn't get him away from Michaela. Connor and Oliver are easily the most healthy couple on this show. I love their scenes every week now. Whatever Asher's secret is, it certainly seems to be a bad one if he's going to his father about it. Wes and Nate working against Annalise has potential and I don't know what to make of the scenes with Laurel and Bonnie though. Main case was solid enough, 8/10 1 Link to comment
secnarf October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Doubt it. Ani put the one capable person on this whole show on the job. The last minute of this show every week is my favorite tv crack! True, but he didn't do such a good job with hiding Lila's body. He knew he was going there to kill her, he could have been more prepared :P Also anything is possible in TV Land. Link to comment
truthaboutluv October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Doubt it. Ani put the one capable person on this whole show on the job. True, but he didn't do such a good job with hiding Lila's body. He knew he was going there to kill her, he could have been more prepared :P And let's not forget this is the capable guy who hid evidence in Griffin's (Lila boyfriend) car in broad daylight, where Nate saw him doing it. That move was why I always figured, before it was later confirmed, that the writers didn't start the show intending to make Frank Lila's killer. That was a late season decision. 2 Link to comment
Eolivet October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 I don't like Asher's story, and it bothers me to see him working against Annalise. I said before that I believe you need one innocent in a slew of guilty people for balance, otherwise you run the risk of the show becoming too bleak. The show is running that risk right now. They need one uncorruptable person on the show, in my opinion. It's funny -- I didn't see much of a difference between last season and this season until this episode. It was interesting to see these seemingly "innocent" characters get thrown into this crazy situation, learn a little more about them, and watch them descend further and further into corruption. But now that they're all pretty corrupt...it's wearing a little thin, to me. Or at least it did in this episode -- maybe it was this particular writer. I need Trotter Lake to be resolved, or at least exposed, so Asher can go back to the example of innocence/naivete he was last year. I don't believe the show works as well when Everyone Is Awful. 5 Link to comment
starri October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Why is the DA a bad person for using sleazy, underhanded tactics like Annalise? Because Annalise does awful things to win the case. Emily most likely doesn't care about winning or losing, she just wants to stick it to Annalise. Also, the clients Annalise bends and breaks the rules for are as often as not innocent. This show has been sex-positive since the jump, but I really appreciated the frankness with which they went there, and the complete lack of slut-shaming that went along with it. Also, without getting too risque, I thought Connor's not-quite "I love you" followed by Oliver's desire to look him in the eyes was almost beautiful. Is it just me, or does Liza Weil look a lot healthier this season? 2 Link to comment
jhlipton October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 This show has been sex-positive since the jump, but I really appreciated the frankness with which they went there, and the complete lack of slut-shaming that went along with it. Quoted For Truth 2 Link to comment
queenanne October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Asher was surprisingly cool doing his lying routine, didn’t bat an eyelash at being discovered, which is interesting. I would’ve said that he was a lot more into Bonnie than his reaction indicates. Trotter Lake/the blonde must be important. I like finally incorporating him; while I also liked aspects of last season - he was like Richard in the Secret History - having him always offsides and outside the action was getting tiresome to justify. I likewise think Levi’s explanation about “Eggs” does not hold water, why would you nickname your beloved family member after some *horrible traumatic experience* they had??? (Of course, then they also postulated that Bonnie drained three mixed drinks in two minutes, so I don’t know how much verisimilitude I should expect from them anymore.) Funny but I was interested in Laurel/Frank for the first time ever, once they flipped the switch and had Laurel puppy-dogging it after Frank, instead of the other way around. And it's not like I think Frank is that much more marvelous than Laurel - I am bored to disliking all the characters with the exception of Annalise and Bonnie at the moment - but he's definitely more interesting than boring-ass Laurel. Also, I’m not as easily impressed as Oliver apparently, because Michaela was there at the party as well, no? They’ve “shared a lot”, but watching one walk away from the other into an orgy when they came here together on business, so to speak, would be very implausible. I thought it got Connor “good boyfriend points” very easily on a very flimsy and dubious scale. 1 Link to comment
kdm07 October 11, 2015 Share October 11, 2015 (edited) The mouse.... wasn't. So it had to die. RIP Mr (or Miss) Mouse. Only the corrupt survive in Annalise's world. Edited October 11, 2015 by kdm07 1 Link to comment
dirtypop90 October 11, 2015 Share October 11, 2015 Gah I'm an idiot! Levi's eggs story is probably bullsh*t. I don't know why I didn't think that before you guys said something. He's probably not even her foster brother. She probably owes him money for drugs or something. Link to comment
Dejana October 11, 2015 Share October 11, 2015 I likewise think Levi’s explanation about “Eggs” does not hold water, why would you nickname your beloved family member after some *horrible traumatic experience* they had??? (Of course, then they also postulated that Bonnie drained three mixed drinks in two minutes, so I don’t know how much verisimilitude I should expect from them anymore.) For now, I can buy it: they both probably had tough exteriors, maybe they hadn't been with the same family for very long at that point and kids can be cruel, yet turn it around to be in on the joke. If you were texting from a strange phone, you would want to identify yourself somehow, so the person realizes it's you right away and not someone else who'd sent a message to the wrong number by mistake. Instead of, "Hey, Eggs, I'm in danger!" Rebecca was saying, "It's Eggs—help!" But there could be another layer of misdirection yet to be revealed, because this is a twisty show. 2 Link to comment
tomatoflyer October 11, 2015 Share October 11, 2015 I just didn't like this episode. The sex was just too much, and I've never ever felt that about this show before. Mostly it felt cheap and obvious. Too predictable. 2 Link to comment
rubyred October 11, 2015 Share October 11, 2015 This crazy-ass show. I still have a soft spot for Asher; he's written as this tone-deaf douchebro but we've seen other sides of him, like when he was disappointed in his father. He overcompensates socially because he feels like he's an outsider...and he is, he hasn't been involved in the misadventures of the K5/4. I hope they integrate him more into the show. Maybe it's the actor, I can't help it, plus he's sometimes the lone source of humor in a very, very, very bleak show. Been thinking about Annalise trying to get her freak on with Wes. I really don't like those scenes. But I'm thinking now that, master manipulator that she is, Annalise just hones in on what aspect of her personality rattles people most. Appearing to favor Wes keeps him off balance. Not that that I don't think she'd hit that, she totally would, I'm just not convinced that's all that's going on. She feels like using her sexual energy is the best way to control him, so that's what she uses. The other kids are scared of her already, all she has to do is tromp through the room and yell at them. Laurel/Frank: snooze. I actually thought at the end of last season there was some decent Laurel/Wes chemistry. I can't take Frank seriously because when I look at the actor all I see is Ben/Glory, not some dude pretending to be a made guy. I'm interested in what's going on with Wes. It's only been a couple of eps but there seems to be a brittleness there, a sort of deliberate withholding of his thoughts from the group. I'm assuming it's an acting choice and not just AE trying to keep the American accent on lockdown, ha. He's definitely less optimistic and trustful, and hopefully realizes that Levi is full of shit. 3 Link to comment
represent October 11, 2015 Share October 11, 2015 (edited) She feels like using her sexual energy is the best way to control him, so that's what she uses. Exactly and that's what I meant when I said that I don't think she's ever really been in love. I can't tell what's genuine with her except for those scenes with her mother. In other words, I don't think anything is sacred to her. I said that she was basically a predator, she hunts, and there really isn't any emotional connection. I definitely never saw her as wanting to truly get with Wes just cause she wants him, no way, she wants him to behave like a well trained pet and she'll do whatever it takes to accomplish that. According to the recap for last season in which the actress who played Rebecca narrates they have her calling the Keating 5 suckers and free labor. The key word being suckers, she sought these five out specifically and we all know she did a thorough background check. Hell she probably was in on the admissions process to get these five, which means there would probably have to be a much bigger picture going on here. I don't think convenient coincidences fall into her lap. I mean could she have been planning to kill her husband using these five from the getgo? I just don't think she makes many mistakes well not until this past episode because they are starting to play her. It seems that she calculates everything. I mean what makes her thrive is the power she has over people and that's it IMO, she gets off on that. Edited October 11, 2015 by represent 2 Link to comment
wayne67 October 13, 2015 Share October 13, 2015 Laurel/Frank: snooze. I actually thought at the end of last season there was some decent Laurel/Wes chemistry. I can't take Frank seriously because when I look at the actor all I see is Ben/Glory, not some dude pretending to be a made guy. Wow I totally didn't realise he was the same guy as Ben/Glory. At least that explains why he looks vaguely familiar. I'm so daft sometimes lol I liked the whole... I was at a sex party and didn't want anyone there. It was such a roundabout way of having a character admit they were in LURVE without saying the words and so fitting too. Link to comment
tennisgurl October 13, 2015 Share October 13, 2015 Yeah, Connor saying he didn't want to sleep with anyone at a sex party is basically an Connor declaration of love. I`m glad Oliver and Connor have (hopefully)gotten past their issues from last week. They're the only couple on this show that seems to actually function normally. Personally, I`m still rooting for Michaela/Wes. They have some decent chemistry, what can I say? Too bad Wes is too busy being all shady these days. Whats his plan, exactly? And what the hell was up with Anna asking him to kill something in her basement for her? Seriously. That relationship just gets weirder and weirder. Link to comment
Chicago Redshirt October 13, 2015 Share October 13, 2015 I am somewhat curious about the widow's recourse in this situation. Since Annalise went off on a rant (as did the porsecutor), and made the claim in court that she was the murderer without direct evidence to prove it, would the widow have legal standing to sue for defamation of character? I say this because she asked only if the wife picked up the prescription and if she saw the notice on the bottle of Viagra, and then launched into her monologue without waiting for an answer. Does civil law have reach into a courtroom? In the real world, and without doing any additional research, I'm pretty sure that anything said directly in the context of a courtroom is absolutely privileged from defamation of character suits. Just as a matter of practicality, if you could sue for such things, there would basically be a never-ending chain of lawsuits. I likewise think Levi’s explanation about “Eggs” does not hold water, why would you nickname your beloved family member after some *horrible traumatic experience* they had??? I could definitely see people teasing their siblings/foster siblings in a similar way in general, and if Levi is anything like Rebecca, most definitely. That chick had no problem taunting people, twisting the knife, etc. 1 Link to comment
Sara2009 October 14, 2015 Share October 14, 2015 She gave him the nitro knowing that it would cause a heart attack with his Viagra, but thought it would be mild enough for him to only be hospitalized, not actually die. Super risky on her part. I busted up laughing and the construction dude with the self-professed large member eating that ginormous hot dog. She claimed that she didn't know he was taking Viagra, though. Maybe she was lying. Link to comment
St. Claire October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Who is Tiffany?! The blond girl on Asher's phone. She has something to do with the mysterious Trotter Lake incident. Link to comment
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