Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

Rolled my eyes so hard at Alexis' assertion that Molly and TJ were, like, totes close to Kiki.  Yeah, sure, maybe off-screen, but Molly had exactly one scene with Kiki and TJ had a handful at most.  It reminds me of Kiki being all, "I wuved Rafe so much!" when he died when 0.0000005% of their relationship was shown on-screen.

[Linny]

The continuing reactions to Kiki's death were highly amusing to me today. I mean, basically:

Sam: "Oh, gosh, Kiki's dead?" *slurps soup, opens mail* (That's Sam's COUSIN who's dead, though you'd never guess it from her response.)

Carly: "Blah blah blah empty sentiment of grief, WAIT, Jason had a thought he didn't immediately share with me?! I need information!!"

Sonny: "Kiki's dead, just like my son. Morgan, he's dead, you know, and uh, maybe he's reunited with Kiki now. They can look out for each other, you know, in the afterlife, 'cause they're both dead." *squints out a tear*

Meanwhile, there's a whole showdown in the PCPD with three uninvited people and a loaded gun, and no one's the wiser. It's amazing they actually handcuffed Griffin in the room instead of operating on a good faith system and hoping for the best.

"Wyndemere is the safest place in the city!" Sure, Valentin, if one overlooks the history of fires, hostages, sketchy boat service on and off the island, and trove of Cassadine relic weapons kicking around the place, I guess you could say that.

[ulkis]

Filling in Michael's side of the conversation with Carly:

Carly: Yes i know it's so horrible.

Michael: Yeah, it's crazy.

Carly: Are you okay? Do you want me to pick you up from the airport?

Michael: uh, I was already taking a cab anyway . . . ? 

---

Carly: Oh you know Michael. Instead of thinking about himself he's thinking about Avery???

Why would he think about himself in regards to Kiki before Avery?? They dated for a year and then he dumped her 4 years ago! They barely spoke!

Edited December 3, 2018 by ulkis

[Hater]

Thank goodness some writer remembered saint sam is a con artist. 

[Melgaypet]

19 minutes ago, Linny said:

"Wyndemere is the safest place in the city!" Sure, Valentin, if one overlooks the history of fires, hostages, sketchy boat service on and off the island, and trove of Cassadine relic weapons kicking around the place, I guess you could say that.

And that's not even taking into account the people who have gone flying off the parapet!

[YaddaYadda]

TJ and Molly and Kiki were such good friends! Dear Dumb-Dumb Writers, don't tell me about it, show me! 

Those three hung out twice, I think. Molly and TJ had a conversation about med school once and that was the extent of the interaction between these three. 

[Hater]

I unfortunately only always get to watch jasam first as their stans put up the clips right away. They are an absolute waste of screen time. Exhausting to watch. The whole Q thanksgiving stuff was so wtf and a bad attempt at bringing some levity to scenes with two actors who are beyond phoning it in for that pairing. Just get it over with already! They sit and stare at each other and attempt awkward comedy at coma pace. It’s not working. Jason acting like a good domesticated dog is amusing to watch as Drew was laughed at for it. Watching Jason and Sam attempt to add was riveting material.  They rubbed their two brain cells together and ADDED! 

Kiki’s death is sinking like a led balloon so far.  The reactions outside of Ava continue to be terrible.  This is pretty bad considering the writers/FV knew that Hayley was leaving around May (when she got casted for her primetime role) So they had enough time to develop a storyline and to include meaningful dialogue and reactions.  Yet here we are.

WTF was that weird voice Matt Cohen was doing when he said "GO AHEAD PULL THE TRIGGER?" But he gets participation points for actually being awake in scenes. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by Hater

[TeeVee329]

41 minutes ago, ulkis said:

They [Michael and Kiki] dated for a year and then he dumped her 4 years ago! They barely spoke!

And now I'm thinking about how glorious it was when Kiki (Starr Edition) walked in on Michael Quartermaine banging Rosalie and then Mikey Q read her for filth and it was D-E-L-I-C-I-O-U-S.  Oh Keeks, we did have some good times, didn't we.

Speaking of people who dated her reacting to her death, I wonder if Ned will update us on how off-screen Dillon feels about this.

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

And now I'm thinking about how glorious it was when Kiki (Starr Edition) walked in on Michael Quartermaine banging Rosalie and then Mikey Q read her for filth and it was D-E-L-I-C-I-O-U-S.

That's as animated as Michael has ever been, I think. 

1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

Speaking of people who dated her reacting to her death, I wonder if Ned will update us on how off-screen Dillon feels about this.

I'll be surprised if either Ned or Dillon find out Lauren is dead. (I haven't seen today's ep yet, so maybe Ned already knows.)

[Melgaypet]

4 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Speaking of people who dated her reacting to her death, I wonder if Ned will update us on how off-screen Dillon feels about this.

Who will mention Kiki's great love of penguins? Or of staring into snowglobes?

Edited December 3, 2018 by Melgaypet

[TeeVee329]

Kiki loved movies!  Even though she never mentioned it to her filmmaker boyfriend!

[Auntie Velvet]

Oh, Griffin. I was so embarrassed for you. And please never, ever try to speak angrily between gritted teeth again. 

I don' t think the Ryan thing is a fake-out -- I think he may actually tell Ava what he did "for her." But then again, the previews where he says, "No, this isn't a red herring, I really mean it" (paraphrasing) may be a red herring.

Did we, the audience, know about Sam's previous con involving marrying a dude? 

[Hater]

2 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Oh, Griffin. I was so embarrassed for you. And please never, ever try to speak angrily between gritted teeth again. 

I don' t think the Ryan thing is a fake-out -- I think he may actually tell Ava what he did "for her." But then again, the previews where he says, "No, this isn't a red herring, I really mean it" (paraphrasing) may be a red herring.

Did we, the audience, know about Sam's previous con involving marrying a dude? 

Yeah she was married like 5 times before Jasus. She was conning them and taking their money.

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, Hater said:

Yeah she was married like 5 times before Jasus. She was conning them and taking their money.

One of the dudes she married was the father of Amelia (played by Annie Wersching), a producer of that dumb Everyday Heroes show, who came to town to expose the con. Of course she also ended up sleeping with Sonny.

[Auntie Velvet]

11 minutes ago, Hater said:

Yeah she was married like 5 times before Jasus. She was conning them and taking their money.

Oh. Then who cares?

I swear, if more money just falls into her lap I'm going to eye-roll so hard.

[Hater]

1 minute ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Oh. Then who cares?

I swear, if more money just falls into her lap I'm going to eye-roll so hard.

I'm sure it will be used as a way for Jason and Sam to "reunite" since they can't do it organically with their "15 year history."  One of her husbands will end up stalking her and trying to kill Saint Sam and Jasus will have to rescue her.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Hater

[BlancheDevoreaux]

8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

One of the dudes she married was the father of Amelia (played by Annie Wersching), a producer of that dumb Everyday Heroes show, who came to town to expose the con. Of course she also ended up sleeping with Sonny.

How many STDs would Sonny have by now if he were a real person? I mean, he's had how many partners? And since he knocks about half of them up, we can assume protection isn't high on his priority list (maybe that is one of the Catholic teachings he adheres to).  Skeeves me out just thinking about it.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, Hater said:

Kiki’s death is sinking like a led balloon so far.  The reactions outside of Ava continue to be terrible.  This is pretty bad considering the writers/FV knew that Hayley was leaving around May (when she got casted for her primetime role) So they had enough time to develop a storyline and to include meaningful dialogue and reactions.  Yet here we are.

It's almost the worst written storyline on the show. Almost because nothing is as bad as the great love of Jason and Sam getting back together, although LOL that Jason refused to tell Carly anything about his night with Sam when her tongue was  hanging out begging for information.

Instead of investigating as Robert or Anna would have done, Jordan seems to be waiting for the solution to the crime to drop into her lap.  Griffin has a bloody knife -- it must be him. No, wait, Curtis brought Sasha in to tell her about Ava's con, it must be Ava.   Are they even going to look at anyone else before Carly reveals that it's Ryan ?  It's nice that someone brought up Bensch but Jordan should have been making calls to see where he was the night of the murder even if he had officially left town.

Meanwhile even though we've had lots of scenes of Sasha and Sasha and Nina and Sasha and Valentin and Curtis and Sasha and Nina and Valentin as well as the obligatory CarSon and Jason scenes as they support Griffin, we have  yet to see any reaction from a Quartermaine when Kiki was practically living there when she was with Dillon. Even Michael is only a silent other in Carly's conversation. Sam was Kiki's cousin but she doesn't seem to care. And as Friz supporters are pointing out, Franco's barely had any time on-screen to react even though he thought of himself as Kiki's father at some point.

This should have been a major storyline for several characters but so far other than MW it's being written as a damp squib unlike the endless replays of Carly in Ferncliffe.  Terrible show-running

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I love that she's living a Helena life, in some exotic locale with male minions doing her bidding.

After almost killing Robert, torturing Robin and holding her prisoner for years, shooting Elizabeth in her own home, and being an accomplice to Faison for decades, sneering at almost everyone but Franco, and being utterly unapologetic about it all even after her own son was killed by the man she enabled, she deserves to be beaten by minions in hell. The actress is great; the character almost makes Carly look like an upstanding citizen. 

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, Linny said:

"Wyndemere is the safest place in the city!" Sure, Valentin, if one overlooks the history of fires, hostages, sketchy boat service on and off the island, and trove of Cassadine relic weapons kicking around the place, I guess you could say that.

Hey, it's not Valentin's fault he doesn't know that the fiance/ex-wife of the man he killed, who also happens to be his daughter's mother's once and future sister-in-law, got murdered during a party at Wyndemere. 

[Gam2]

Um. Did Sam say that obit was about her former husband?! How the heck was he? And Alexis obviously hadn’t heard a word about this guy. 

[dubbel zout]

FFS, Ava, think for one minute: Why would Griffin murder Lauren? Also, Ava, you're the one who wrecked your relationship with your daughter, not Griffin. Your scorched-earth approach to revenge has consequences.

2 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

And please never, ever try to speak angrily between gritted teeth again. 

I know.

Eating pizza on Thanksgiving for 24 years is hardly the worst thing that could happen on the holiday. At least there's food to be eaten.

I love how Jason finding out that Lauren was murdered is basically an afterthought.

Sonny, Morgan doesn't care you haven't been to his grave. He's dead!

I loved Carly's reaction to Jason already knowing Oscar had a brain tumor. Hee. I wish Jason had told Carly he also knew Oscar was going through with the treatment. And if Joss is "too young for this much death," maybe take a look at your life choices, huh? You're as responsible as anyone for all of the death Joss has seen.

News flash, Chase: It's not up to Julian to "keep a tighter leash" on Ava. UGH.

[Perkie]

39 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Did Sam say that obit was about her former husband?! How the heck was he? And Alexis obviously hadn’t heard a word about this guy. 

Sams' past before coming to PC is that she married men and then conned them of their money.  She did it at least 5 times.  Alexis knows her past, though may not have known what this one's name was.  

Since it's an obituary, he won't be coming after her, but possibly a child/grandchild coming to avenge the man's death.  Because you know he's been pining for Sam since she fleeced him 20 years ago.  

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The actress is great; the character almost makes Carly look like an upstanding citizen. 

Because Dr. O is a villain.  And I'm glad that they've finally reset her to that, after that lame stint of being Franco's fawning bestie, lamely scheming against Dr. Michael Easton, etc.  Being on the run in some exotic locale wearing a big ol' hat is exactly what a soap villainess like her should be doing!

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Hey, it's not Valentin's fault he doesn't know that the fiance/ex-wife of the man he killed, who also happens to be his daughter's mother's once and future sister-in-law, got murdered during a party at Wyndemere. 

I suddenly have a headache.

[Sake614]

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Hey, it's not Valentin's fault he doesn't know that the fiance/ex-wife of the man he killed, who also happens to be his daughter's mother's once and future sister-in-law, got murdered during a party at Wyndemere. 

My head hurts after figuring this out!

[bamajen]

Please let Sam have her own storyline without Jason. 

[30 Helens]

On 12/2/2018 at 9:16 PM, ciarra said:

On 12/1/2018 at 7:40 PM, yowsah1 said:

On 11/27/2018 at 4:43 PM, Ryan Chamberlain said:

I nominate Kim for Ryan's next kill. 

I nominate Sam. 

Can't it be a guy this time?  BM looks like he want someone to kill him.  Franco is a frontrunner.  Griffin?

Griffin, yes, Griffin! Or Michael! But no, that would just lead to extended scenes of Corinthos-style mourning. So Griffin it is.

[30 Helens]

13 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

I don't have much to say about Friday's show, other than to echo that the pitchfork parade to the police station is a little much. You would think all these people who have lived in Port Charles for years would have more of an open mind about the first suspect arrested. 

Yeah, but these are the same people who keep accepting that dead means unequivocally dead, even though about half of PC corpses come back to life.  Geniuses, they are not.

[RedheadZombie]

13 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

After almost killing Robert, torturing Robin and holding her prisoner for years, shooting Elizabeth in her own home, and being an accomplice to Faison for decades, sneering at almost everyone but Franco, and being utterly unapologetic about it all even after her own son was killed by the man she enabled, she deserves to be beaten by minions in hell. The actress is great; the character almost makes Carly look like an upstanding citizen. 

I agree.  And it makes Anna look terrible that she could get past what happened to Robin, but the much shorter torture of her son drove her to bring Obrecht to justice.

[ByaNose]

Wait! Molly and TJ were close friends with Kiki? I don't recall this with either KA or HE in the role. Did I miss this? It was so random that they would mention both of them in the Kiki vortex since neither of them are even on contract or on contract but not actually shown.

[ByaNose]

22 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Cohen/Griffin is a strange case. "They" don't seem to like the actor. He's had just about the least flattering writing of anyone on contract. The character always seems to be flailing, out of his league, overmatched. He never gets any big wins. Cohen is a great-looking guy in his mid thirties, and the outline of the character was promising (although the priesthood was an unnecessary layer of complication; they should have just made him generally religious/spiritual). I've thought his acting on this show has ranged from satisfactory to far less, but worse actors have achieved daytime pet status.    

Griffin is just such a thorough dud that I have a hard time understanding it.  

I don't have much to say about Friday's show, other than to echo that the pitchfork parade to the police station is a little much. You would think all these people who have lived in Port Charles for years would have more of an open mind about the first suspect arrested. I did like Valentin's skepticism.  

Cohen/Griffin never had the poplular pairing that Ryan Paevey had. He's a good looking guy and can sorta act (if you squint your eyes) but with all his time on the show he hasn't been in a red hot realtionship storyline. Kinda odd a guy who looks like him in daytime. I mean......isn't that what he's there for? LOL!!!

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, ByaNose said:

Cohen/Griffin never had the poplular pairing that Ryan Paevey had. He's a good looking guy and can sorta act (if you squint your eyes) but with all his time on the show he hasn't been in a red hot realtionship storyline.

They definitely seemed to be a loose end as to what to do with him.  I personally thought he was being brought in for Maxie at first, they had those typical beats (She walks in on him shirtless!  He escorts her to the Nurses' Ball!), but then all that drama with Nathan and Claudette and Nathan having drunkenly shot Griffin fizzled into 100% nothing.  And then I think he was supposed to be more involved with Liz, but the ferocity of the Friz fans scared the show away from that.  His friendship with Lucas - which is what brought him into the show in the first place - amounted to absolutely zero.  And his age group is kinda lacking, which is why he got put with someone older (Ava) and then someone younger (Kiki).

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, ByaNose said:

Wait! Molly and TJ were close friends with Kiki? I don't recall this with either KA or HE in the role. Did I miss this? It was so random that they would mention both of them in the Kiki vortex since neither of them are even on contract or on contract but not actually shown.

Don't feel bad--we ALL missed it.  As usual, GH is attributing traits/friendships to two universally ignored/offscreen characters as a way to pump up the storyline.  Go home, GH, you're drunk.

[dubbel zout]

31 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

1 hour ago, ByaNose said:

Cohen/Griffin never had the poplular pairing that Ryan Paevey had. He's a good looking guy and can sorta act (if you squint your eyes) but with all his time on the show he hasn't been in a red hot realtionship storyline.

They definitely seemed to be a loose end as to what to do with him.  I personally thought he was being brought in for Maxie at first, they had those typical beats (She walks in on him shirtless!  He escorts her to the Nurses' Ball!), but then all that drama with Nathan and Claudette and Nathan having drunkenly shot Griffin fizzled into 100% nothing.  And then I think he was supposed to be more involved with Liz, but the ferocity of the Friz fans scared the show away from that.  His friendship with Lucas - which is what brought him into the show in the first place - amounted to absolutely zero.  And his age group is kinda lacking, which is why he got put with someone older (Ava) and then someone younger (Kiki).

I wonder if the change in stories/background is because nothing was working. The writers are throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks, and of course since it's all so badly written, nothing does. Or someone (FV) decides he doesn't like what is sticking (the Griffin/Elizabeth pairing could have been successful, I think) so another story has to be conjured up.

The Ava/Griffin/Lauren triangle did none of the characters any favors.

[ByaNose]

46 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

They definitely seemed to be a loose end as to what to do with him.  I personally thought he was being brought in for Maxie at first, they had those typical beats (She walks in on him shirtless!  He escorts her to the Nurses' Ball!), but then all that drama with Nathan and Claudette and Nathan having drunkenly shot Griffin fizzled into 100% nothing.  And then I think he was supposed to be more involved with Liz, but the ferocity of the Friz fans scared the show away from that.  His friendship with Lucas - which is what brought him into the show in the first place - amounted to absolutely zero.  And his age group is kinda lacking, which is why he got put with someone older (Ava) and then someone younger (Kiki).

I totally forgot that he was involved in the Claudette storyline and that she had the hots for him for a minute. Personally, I always thought he had nice chemistry with FH. Of course, Duke being his father put the kibosh on any romantic feelings they would/could have for each other.

[TeeVee329]

50 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I totally forgot that he was involved in the Claudette storyline and that she had the hots for him for a minute.

That whole thing was weird because it also veered course in the middle of it.  At first, Claudette was hot for Nathan, hugging their wedding portrait, etc.  And then suddenly, for 100% no explained reason, she was into Griffin and wanted to run away with him.  Such a waste of time, all of it.

[ByaNose]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I wonder if the change in stories/background is because nothing was working. The writers are throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks, and of course since it's all so badly written, nothing does. Or someone (FV) decides he doesn't like what is sticking (the Griffin/Elizabeth pairing could have been successful, I think) so another story has to be conjured up.

The Ava/Griffin/Lauren triangle did none of the characters any favors.

Especially, when it was already done with Ava/Morgan/Kiki.

[dubbel zout]

Claudette hated Nathan, then she loved him, then she hated Griffin, then she loved him—it was a mess.

[dubbel zout]

21 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

The Ava/Griffin/Lauren triangle did none of the characters any favors.

Especially, when it was already done with Ava/Morgan/Kiki.

Not to mention the Ava/Morgan/Lauren triangle had some actual heat. With Ava/Griffin, she kept whining that she didn't deserve him and he judged her. (Right on both counts, but zzzzzz.) Maura West tried and vamped her best, but Matt Cohen didn't generate much chemistry with her.

[TeeVee329]

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Claudette hated Nathan, then she loved him, then she hated Griffin, then she loved him—it was a mess.

And all to give us Charlotte, who I'll say again couldn't have both been conceivably a child Nathan or Griffin had with Claudette AND a result of a Cassadine/Lulu embryo.

[LexieLily]

18 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

And all to give us Charlotte, who I'll say again couldn't have both been conceivably a child Nathan or Griffin had with Claudette AND a result of a Cassadine/Lulu embryo.

Charlotte's age is fluid. Don't think about it too hard ;) But yes, that was the main thing that bothered me, too. She needed to be ten to pass her off as Nathan's or Griffin's baby, but if she was Lulu's embryo child she couldn't have been more than four. 

There was also the matter of Claudette's "suicide" (Valentin got rid of her for probably Charlotte-custody-related reasons) and her randomly reappearing last summer, or at least a picture of her did showing she was alive. As best that I recall, nothing came of that.

[TheMediaHo]

20 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

 

TJ and Molly and Kiki were such good friends! Dear Dumb-Dumb Writers, don't tell me about it, show me! 

Those three hung out twice, I think. Molly and TJ had a conversation about med school once and that was the extent of the interaction between these three. 

 

Ah, yes, but remember how miffed T.J. was that Kiki, who had spent about a quarter of the time that he did studying medicine, got into the primo Shadow Program and he didn't? Another suspect, Jordan!

[TeeVee329]

32 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Charlotte's age is fluid. Don't think about it too hard ;) But yes, that was the main thing that bothered me, too. She needed to be ten to pass her off as Nathan's or Griffin's baby, but if she was Lulu's embryo child she couldn't have been more than four. 

There was also the matter of Claudette's "suicide" (Valentin got rid of her for probably Charlotte-custody-related reasons) and her randomly reappearing last summer, or at least a picture of her did showing she was alive. As best that I recall, nothing came of that.

I can't help it, it drives me bonkers lol!  Because Charlotte also shouldn't be older than Rocco, given Britt was announcing her pregnancy with him while Lulu was being rescued from the fridge.

I don't remember the hint last summer, I do remember at the time we saw the mountie who told Nathan and Maxie about Claudette's "suicide" call Valentin and tell him the two dum-dums bought the story.  I figured Claudette would show up eventually to invalidate their marriage (recall that their first attempt to get hitched was stalled because Nathan was still legally married to Claudette), but with Nathan dead, her return would be kinda pointless. 

Not that that would stop Frank if he runs into Bree Williamson at Taco Bell.

Edited December 4, 2018 by TeeVee329

[LexieLily]

14 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I can't help it, it drives me bonkers lol!  Because Charlotte also shouldn't be older than Rocco, given Britt was announcing her pregnancy with him while Lulu was being rescued from the fridge.

 

I know, but this is also the show that had Charlotte tell Nina she wanted her/Valentin to get back together so she could have a little sibling. The show completely forgot about Rocco, that he and Charlotte were related, or that Charlotte is Lulu's daughter. They don't care.

14 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I don't remember the hint last summer, I do remember at the time we saw the mountie who told Nathan and Maxie about Claudette's "suicide" call Valentin and tell him the two dum-dums bought the story.  I figured Claudette would show up eventually to invalidate their marriage (recall that their first attempt to get hitched was stalled because Nathan was still legally married to Claudette), but with Nathan dead, her return would be kinda pointless. 

Not that that would stop Frank if he runs into Bree Williamson at Taco Bell.

 

I could be making it up but wasn't there something about the Cassandra story where there was a picture, somewhere, that Valentin saw, of an alive Claudette holding a current newspaper?

I always figured, or if I'm being honest hoped, that if they brought up Claudette again it would be for the truth about Charlotte to FINALLY be revealed, that she is somehow Lulu and Dante's child. Or that Charlotte IS Lulu/Valentin's, but Valentin stashed her (Claudette) away because Claudette knew a lot of things that would have awarded Lulu full custody of Charlotte at the first trial. It is not a coincidence that Claudette disappeared shortly after Lulu made her intentions known of fighting Valentin for custody of Charlotte.

Edited December 4, 2018 by LexieLily

[Ladybyrd]

Please god let's keep Claudette away. Charlotte is hardly in need of additional mothers. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by Ladybyrd

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, TheMediaHo said:

Ah, yes, but remember how miffed T.J. was that Kiki, who had spent about a quarter of the time that he did studying medicine, got into the primo Shadow Program and he didn't? Another suspect, Jordan!

That could actually make this a little interesting. Jordan jumping from Griffin to Ava on little proof for either is Zzzzzzzz.

If this show were written well, there would have been a scene of TJ reacting to Bensch's harassment of Kiki, something about that explains why she got the shadow position but it must have been so hard on her.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, LexieLily said:

As best that I recall, nothing came of that.

THANK JASUS. The last think I need on my screen is more spicy, bad-girl Claudette.

[LexieLily]

Does Sam know multiple women named Kiki? Alexis felt the need to say Kiki's first and last name when telling Sam that HER COUSIN had been killed.

[TeeVee329]

I wonder if anyone will tell Lucas (who?) that his cousin is dead.