S05.E02: Yes

[thewhiteowl]

The Pope and Associates team dives into a new case that takes Olivia out of D.C. and away from the President. Meanwhile, back at the White House, Fitz is determined to find who’s responsible for causing the latest turn of events, and Abby receives unexpected guidance from a master of damage control as she struggles to catch a break.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Sorry to nitpick, but "Associates"?

Quinn is the last woman standing in that group. Abby works for the WH, Stephen got married, the other guy is pushing daisies and one flew over Huck's cookoo's nest like a G6.

New goal for the show: now with B613 out the way,get new associates.

[SimoneS]

This show never surprises me, but damn, I was surprised at the end when Olivia admitted the truth to the media. I was so bored as they went through the motions that we have seen time and time again, Fitz wants to come clean, Liv runs. Nice one, Shonda. Finally, something significant has changed in the Fitz/Olivia dynamic. Of course, Mellie will be back in the White House by the end of the season, but I like the unpredictability on the way to the predictable.

Edited October 2, 2015 by SimoneS

[Guest]

What was that mess?

[Mama No Life]

Same old crap until the last five seconds and I almost missed it because I was simultaneously trying to remove the show from my DVR manager.

 

The last five seconds bought them one more week.

 

But I'm not getting paid to watch this so it better pick up.

[Free]

Sorry to nitpick, but "Associates"?

Quinn is the last woman standing in that group. Abby works for the WH, Stephen got married, the other guy is pushing daisies and one flew over Huck's cookoo's nest like a G6.

 

Yeah, it's sad how the team fell apart.

[Chaos Theory]

It's nice to know that Abby has finally made a friend. It's tough to be the adult all by yourself. Oh and I was half right: I thought Abby and Liz had leaked the affair.....heh.

Fitz gets Poped! That will never not sound dirty. Abby was right about that too. Olivis's first instinct is to get out of the storm not to jump in the middle of it. I was surprised when she admitted to the affair. Honestly what I was mostly was disappointed but surprised too.

I like Quinn and Huck. I know a lot of people don't but they make morse sense to me then Fitz and Olivia.

[bmoore4026]

And Olivia fucks shit up for everybody with one word.  Classic Liv.

 

Also, Huck almost killed a man again.  Man was an asshole tabloid reporter, but still.  Also, he was so needed when Jake and Liv confronted Little Gavin.  Seriously, I ask again: Why hasn't anyone gone Ol' Yeller on Huck's ass yet?

 

Also, this episode probably drove "shoes on the bedspread" people up the damn wall.

 

Also, David Rossen has become Milton Office Space.  One day, someone's gonna take his stapler and all hell is going to break loose. 

[Eolivet]

That ending was worth the price of admission. I was seriously shocked. It's interesting that the first time Fitz stepped back and let it be Olivia's choice, that she ended up choosing him. Also interesting that their relationship is now unfolding in the exact opposite way she expected it to in the final minutes of the premiere. They are exposed, in public, with many people taking shots at them. Not exactly "we have to fix who we are or we can never be together."

 

And they're pushing the image of Jake the bodyguard pretty hard (the visual of him blocking all the people taking pictures of her in the diner I'm sure was no accident). The backflips the show is performing to keep him relevant to the show and to Olivia's story is kind of laughable at this point. If he was played by anyone other than Scott Foley, he'd have been written off in the last season finale. But as we know, it's hard to make B613 disappear completely.

[Chicago Redshirt]

Sorry to nitpick, but "Associates"?

Quinn is the last woman standing in that group. Abby works for the WH, Stephen got married, the other guy is pushing daisies and one flew over Huck's cookoo's nest like a G6.

New goal for the show: now with B613 out the way,get new associates.

It seems like they are have Jake be an "associate." And they are probably going to do a Huck redemption arc along with Huck/Quinn, neither of which I have  interest in watching.

[SimoneS]

And they're pushing the image of Jake the bodyguard pretty hard (the visual of him blocking all the people taking pictures of her in the diner I'm sure was no accident). The backflips the show is performing to keep him relevant to the show and to Olivia's story is kind of laughable at this point. If he was played by anyone other than Scott Foley, he'd have been written off in the last season finale. But as we know, it's hard to make B613 disappear completely.

 

Exactly. Jake has absolutely no purpose. All he does keep the memory of the horrific B613 stories alive. I give Shonda credit for being a really good friend and keeping Scott Foley employed.

Edited October 2, 2015 by SimoneS

[Free]

It seems like they are have Jake be an "associate." And they are probably going to do a Huck redemption arc along with Huck/Quinn, neither of which I have  interest in watching.

 

Exactly, it's just not interesting, especially after all the B613 nonsense.

[Guest]

It just seemed to me that it emphasized Liv can't be happy/content. She can't make up her mind what she wants at all. Fitz says one thing and she wants the opposite. He changes his mind so she does too.

I know it's deeper than that, but that's how it comes across.

[sluggish neko]

Shhh! Don't mention the spy plotline that shall not be named-- it might hear you and return to ruin this season. This season looks promising with its focus back on the politics and light cases of the week. No casual murdering or torturing! Though, for a second there, when Huck approached the reporter, I was a bit scared the show might relapse.

 

I don't mind Jake if he's a Huck or Quinn replacement. At least he doesn't eat up screen time with petty bickering. I'm glad Quinn finally realized she's not really on a higher moral ground. Maybe now, she can just shut up and she and Huck can both go back to being purely functional to the case of the week, which is the only time I find either one of them tolerable at this point. I wish they had kept Huck's back story a mystery.

 

I love how Cyrus is still the puppetmaster despite puttering around at home and that he used Abby to get what he wanted. I'm sure it's only part one of his plan to drive Liz North out and get his old job back.

[Artsda]

She could have done that so much smarter. She spent the whole episode hiding and ignoring Fitz's wanting to come to a decision together  and then when he finally lets her have her way she goes and says "yes" at the same time he's doing a live interview? 

[breezy424]

The show has jumped the shark....  A while ago.  A baseball cap and no one will recognize you?  Really?

[ThomasAAnderson]

I was really hoping Huck would tear that screeching bitch's head straight off her shoulders. "He got bail because he's rich and white"-- bitch please as if it's not the height of privilege to be ungrateful and disrespectful to the woman that kept your ass out of jail twice.

And Abby, your inability to ever do that job without help is exactly why Liv only listens to you in dreams.

 

How old was Fitz when his mom died? I apologize for never seeing before how easily manipulated he is. 

 

I knew from the beginning Lizzy had leaked the pictures. She's bad at that job. I guess that's the point, they need to crack the door open for Cyrus to eventually come back.

 

It was a good episode, but I don't watch this show for Quinn and Abby. If they want to take the show in a "girl power" direction I'm all for it but Abby and Lizzy's alliance was really poorly written. Besides this isn't an alliance that will be interesting to watch.  Bring in more associates! Add a younger woman like the wonderful young lawyer on HTGAWM and for god's sake replace Harrison.  Give Olivia a real friend to confide in because watching her try to have heart to hearts with her ex about her current guy is icky. Please show, don't make us watch anymore awkward scenes of Abby and Lizzie trying to be "equals"--ugh who writes this shit?

 

This was a good episode and I'm interested to see what unfolds now that's she admitted it.

Edited October 2, 2015 by ThomasAAnderson

[Tetraneutron]

For the first time since the show started, the pollen made no sense. I mean, they never made SENSE sense, but at least they followed an internal logic and the characters behaved consistently. But not any more. 

 

Why did Liz, of all people, leak the photos of Olivia and Fitz? How does that possibly benefit her? She royally screwed over her boss, the most powerful man in the world. It would be one thing if she pretended to fix the problem or find the culprit to make herself look like a hero, but she . . . didn't. She just sat there like a bump on a log and made herself seem useless. Was it to get revenge on Mellie? Even though Mellie was at most collateral damage? Is there some long con with her? Lizzie's been on the show for a year and is still a complete cipher as a character. What does she want? What does she value? What are her motivations? We don't know. She's all over the damn place. Whenever they need her to ally with someone random to move the plot along, she's there. 

 

And seriously? Abby's on her team now? Abby would NEVER do something to hurt Olivia. She certainly wouldn't join forces with the one person who screwed Olivia over like that. Why, when she can just tattle on Lizzie and take her job, if she wanted that. Instead she's isolated herself from everyone, because near as I can tell. everyone on the show hates Lizzie. 

 

But no one's mentioned B613 or Olivia's horrible dad, so season 5 is just super so far. 

Edited October 2, 2015 by Tetraneutron

[buttersister]

Yeah,I don't know. But maybe I'm liking that Liv ran 180 from Fitz at every turn. Yes! Ha.?

[tabbybear]

I don't post much because I am pretty much in the minority but I have been reading since twop.  I rather liked this and last episode.  I liked Liv realizing she is tired of feeling ashamed and hiding.  I like Jake because he does not seem to be all about sex with Liv where as I feel like that is all that Fitz wants her for.  I love Abby but I must admit I don't get why she would team up with Lizzybear.  I also like Huck and Quinn but I do wish they could be at least a bit rehabilitated.   I Adore the VP and love that she confronted the Pres head on.  I love that she is not a political machine but rather a straight shooter really looking out for the people I hope they keep her that way.  I don't miss b613 like at all.  I happen to feel like b613 is too close to reality.  I loved Abby and Rosen together and hope they end up back together.  Since Liv answered yes at the end I hope she decides to stand in the light of the truth come what may.  I think she changed her mind because Fitz for once was loving her enough to know this could all be tough on her and not wanting her to have to go through it.  I think that was the kind of selfless love that she has been looking for.  All unpopular opinions but there you have.  That is it for now.

Edited October 2, 2015 by tabbybear

[Dowel Jones]

Olivia's classic question:  "What path did I follow to lead me to right here?"  Well.....       Sorry, Olivia, I still don't feel sorry for you. 

But I do so like that term "America's Mistress"

 

Abby isn't the best Press Secretary, is she?  She seems to be blind to the circle of schemers that surround her.  Nevertheless, if Liz lit into me like that, yes, I would be out on the street too.

 

Nail guns don't work like that.  And besides, Jake could have gone over to the other end of the air hose and unhooked it.

[DB in CMH]

Mostly great episode - off to a nice start.

Of course, it comes to a halt when Huck walks on screen. His dead eyed and constant shock face are beyond done for me. That character is completely and utterly trashed and needs to go. There is nothing they could do to redeem him at this point. Jake is ok. At least he's not practically catatonic.

I know it's not likely to happen because the show is inching perilously close to being lily white - aside from Liv, Huck is the only non white character. Cast some new people, Shonda! Build OPA back up!

[mwell345]

Highlights for me were Olivia's surprise "Yes" at the end, of course, and the new team of Abby and Liz who I can see wreaking all kinds of havoc.  The only thing that would make that team better would be if Mellie was a member. Sort of like the Witches of Eastwick or something.

 

I did like Quinn asking Huck if he "had an alibi" and I was cheering her on (for the first time ever) when she was going at him, but alas, she ruined it at the end. Just put Huck wherever Papa Pope and be done with him. He adds nothing.  His crazy eyes are laughable now.  He's a parody of himself.

 

The rest of the show - blah.  Fitz is so unlikable at this point. 

[CofCinci]

Cast some new people, Shonda! Build OPA back up!

I honestly believe Shonda isn't casting new OPAs because she is waiting for ABC to let her rehire Columbus Short.

I love Jake but he is such a fucking cuckhold. Holding Oliva? He needed a signature Shonda speech there to tell Olivia off.

I don't mind Huck and Quinn together as long as they tone down the psycho torture porn.

Continuing to love that idealistic Vice President. I hope the series ends with the kingdom in her kind hands.

[Chicago Redshirt]

The show has jumped the shark....  A while ago.  A baseball cap and no one will recognize you?  Really?

 

Real life celebrities try to pull that all the time, though. 

 

Why did Liz, of all people, leak the photos of Olivia and Fitz? How does that possibly benefit her? She royally screwed over her boss, the most powerful man in the world. It would be one thing if she pretended to fix the problem or find the culprit to make herself look like a hero, but she . . . didn't. She just sat there like a bump on a log and made herself seem useless. Was it to get revenge on Mellie? Even though Mellie was at most collateral damage? Is there some long con with her? Lizzie's been on the show for a year and is still a complete cipher as a character. What does she want? What does she value? What are her motivations? We don't know. She's all over the damn place. Whenever they need her to ally with someone random to move the plot along, she's there. 

 

And seriously? Abby's on her team now? Abby would NEVER do something to hurt Olivia. She certainly wouldn't join forces with the one person who screwed Olivia over like that. Why, when she can just tattle on Lizzie and take her job, if she wanted that. Instead she's isolated herself from everyone, because near as I can tell. everyone on the show hates Lizzie. 

 

While I agree with you that Liz is a cypher, I think the show made a decent case for why she would have been the leak. 

 

Liz is about trying to accumulate power. She's the president's chief of staff, but she at best is third on his list of advisers. Olivia comes first and then Mellie.

 

By leaking about Fitz's affair, she takes Olivia out of the picture if the conventional script is followed. The president and his team would deny, deny, deny. And they would probably have to cut most public and private ties with Olivia to ride it out.

 

Liz got the footage using Mellie's codes. So normally the conclusion would be that Mellie was responsible. That would destroy any possibility of a reconciliation between Fitz and Mellie and also likely lead to the personal and political destruction of Mellie, which is frosting on the cake.

 

So in the aftermath, Liz gets to be the last person standing in the circle of trust.

 

While Abby would not do anything to hurt Liv, the potential damage is done. I guess she figures that Liz will be helpful in being "the adult," which by the way is super patronizing.

[Guest]

I thought it was going to be Cyrus once he called Abby.  I thought it was going to be revealed he had somehow done it (implausible, but seeing as how the former vice president's aide had codes a year later, not impossible) and framed Mellie and Liz so that he could get in good first with Abby by helping her solve the problem and then later with Fitz.

[Chaos Theory]

First off I do NOT ship Olivia and Fitz. The shows instances on putting them together may be what turns me off the show in the end. I find them down right disgusting.

I do however ship Quinn and Huck which probably says something about me. I think Quinn has been one of the most consistently well written characters on the show and I kinda find her and Huck cute in a serial killer kinda way.

And now the show has me shipping Abby and Liz. Those two have fun girl power chemistry. Plus they both need friends....with benefits maybe?

But please cut out the Olivia and Fitz crap. It makes my eyes hurt.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Chaos Theory

[Empress1]

Olivia's classic question:  "What path did I follow to lead me to right here?"  Well.....  

I was like "When you went into Fitz's hotel room on the campaign trail."

 

Totally agree that Jake is pointless and Liv needs some new friends/associates. It's weird to watch her spoon with her ex while discussing her current. 

 

I was bored until the last second, and I liked that because at least Liv is taking some damn agency. I'm sick of Liv and Fitz, but it's been really annoying that she's just kind of flitted around the past couple of seasons while men make decisions for her. At least now she's taking some action. Of course, she and Fitz are never on the same page, but ... it's a start?

 

I am so sick of Huck. Either get him some meds and intensive therapy for PTSD, or get him out of my face.

[reggiejax]

Continuing to love that idealistic Vice President. I hope the series ends with the kingdom in her kind hands.

 

Not me. She has me hoping Rowan left at least one B613 assassin alive.

[swimmyfish]

Olivia's classic question:  "What path did I follow to lead me to right here?"  Well.....       Sorry, Olivia, I still don't feel sorry for you. 

But I do so like that term "America's Mistress"

 

Abby isn't the best Press Secretary, is she?  She seems to be blind to the circle of schemers that surround her. 

 

What was really weird about Olivia's question was that she seemed to think it was only 1 random chance that led her to be hiding out in a hotel room, rather than years and years and YEARS of poor decision making when it comes to the president. Sure, a butterfly flapping its wings at the wrong time can cause problems, but making out with the (married) president on a heavily monitored balcony will also have some repercussions. I tend to like Olivia (well, sort of), but that little woe is me speech was really dumb.

 

As for Abby, she is a terrible press secretary, and this is the second episode in a row where she has immediately been contradicted in something she's told the press. I kind of hope that's a continuing theme throughout the season, actually; a little Easter egg in every episode: how does Abby get contradicted this time?

[Primetimer]

When the public finds out about Olitz, Olivia goes on the run by taking on a new case, and it seems like she might have decided she doesn't want to deal with Fitz's drama anymore.

Read the story

[thewhiteowl]

I was like "When you went into Fitz's hotel room on the campaign trail."

 

 Yes, it isn't exactly a mystery. It was the first in a series of really stupid decisions regarding the jackhole Fitz. Every boneheaded and shameful thing she has done and had done to her starts right there. And she's confused? What a dope.

 

 The VP is not any smarter. Although I did applaud her little speech to the jackhole Fitz her question was pretty stupid. "Did you think about us?" No, you idiot he didn't. If he had, he would not be in this situation. Duh.

 

It was a good time, right up to the end, which totally lost me. I was glad to see Liv having some shame on her because girl has really come across as too stupid to breathe.

 

Abby needs to get away from these morons. When Abby is the smartest person in the room, there's a big problem.

 

 I have been enjoying the lack of bloviated speechifying. So that's probably going to end. lol

[lorikauai]

Well it was 99% a rehash of what we've seen before except for the single word from Liv at the end. I do think that was consistent with her character. Olivia Pope is a drama-loving train wreck. She chose her career because she finds being involved in drama irresistible. She chose an affair with the president because it's forbidden and risky and dramatic. Every time he has suggested leaving his wife and ending the drama she has pushed him away or run away. But then when he decides to accept it she comes charging back into his life. Whenever she is exposed she talks about being humiliated and wanting to escape but she ultimately she can't resist the excitement. All of her pontificating about white hats and doing the right thing is a bunch of bullshit. I don't even believe she loves Fitz. He just feeds her need for chaos. She ends up ruining just about everyone around her because they compromise themselves after buying into her self-serving speeches about the greater good. 

[mooses]

Count me in as part of the VP's team. She basically said what viewers are thinking. Except she doesn't even know he cheated to get the presidency in the first place! This is supposed to be the Great President America couldn't live without.

I keep watching, hoping it will take a turn and Fitz will become the useless joke he should be instead of being portrayed as the "good guy" who just fell in love. He can't take responsibility for his actions because he's a child!

I had hope this episode, but as long as Olivia is on his side, he'll always be forgiven in the Scandal world.

[FozzyBear]

I HATE FITZ SO MUCH! I'm trying to remember the last time I hated a tv character who wasn't an outright villain this much. I got nothing. This makes all my "Shut up, Kelly" moments from Beverly Hills 90210 seem like child's play. I was so young in the 1990s. I knew nothing of the world and what it really meant to hate. Die Fitz! Just die. Or get put on trial for war crimes or maybe KILLING A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE TO KEEP YOUR JOB!

Ugg, I know Mellie is an equally awful person, but I can not imagine the emotional tole taken on a person when they have spent 20 years trying to explain the world to Fitz. Poor thing is too tired to realize when she's being set up for murdering a jury.

Other than that the episode was fine, kind of dull, but fine. As for the surprise ending...don't name the episode "Yes" if you want it to be an actual surprise.

[tennisgurl]

Fritz is such an awful president, Richard Nixon could watch this, and be all "and they said I was a crook!" 

 

But really, I did actually like this episode. For one thing, I like when Huck and Quinn are portrayed as being pretty twisted and messed up, not just lovable scamps who torture and kill people all the time. I can deal with them like this, at least in small doses. 

 

Olivia really does love her some drama. I do not really know if she`s doing this out of love, or out of a desire to have more drama in her life. I really don't know. 

 

I still like Jake so much more than Fritz, even if he was tied into that god awful spy stuff. 

 

I cant really complain about any episode that seems to have left behind all that stupid spy crap/Daddy Pope/ 24 Lite crap. I`ll take anything other than that.

[ToukieSmith]

 

 I like Jake because he does not seem to be all about sex with Liv where as I feel like that is all that Fitz wants her for.

 

I do too.  He is shady, but against this cast of characters, his character stands above all of them.  If she were the right kind of woman, she would have realized that it is not right to call on Jake for his assistance when she knows how he feels about her.  I am beginning to hate Olivia as much as I hate Fitz.

 

I appreciate that Olivia expressed her feelings about being ashamed and hiding.  But, I think I would have respected her more if she stuck to her original guns and not engaged in an adulterous affair until her lover divorced his wife.  She is a cheater and got her her lover elected POTUS by dubious means.  She acts as if her only wrong is loving a man that her parents don't approve of or something.  There is a lot of bad, ugly stuff thats going on here that she should be ashamed of IMO.  She made matters worse by standing up to the press IMO.  Doesn't POTUS have children?  They hate and disrespect Mellie 24/7, but what about everyone else?  Surely they don't think public sentiment is going to be supportive?  I mean, Mellie just lost a child so I cannot imagine that the public is going to be okay with a Presidential mistress.  If this show parallels real life, then they are about to start a whole bunch of Congressional hearings that are going to cost taxpayers millions and rightfully so when the other party points out that that President used the military to fight for his mistress.

 

Daddy Pope ain't got nothing on Baby girl.

 

I absolutely loved it when Dorothy (I think her name is Dorothy) asked the President whether he ever thinks about the people that voted for him.  The reason that I hate Fitz so much is that he acts as if this has all been put upon him and that he did not have any choices to be with his one true love when all he had to do is tell the truth on the campaign trail and let the chips fall. 

 

I am so glad that someone said that to him and I would appreciate it if Miss Dorothy says that one more again just for those of us in the cheap seats.

[thewhiteowl]

You are right, in the real world I think a Prez and mistress would be very harshly judged and likely face some sort of legal hoo-ha no matter how great their love. But this is Shondaland and I believe the greatness of their love (gag) will win over the people that live there. We will probably hear a lot of nonsense about what a great prez he has been but he's pretty much done, politically.

Maybe Olivia will run for prez against Mellie. lololol

[damalanop]

I'm shocked I didn't hate this episode. COWs, even if they are as non important as this weeks are the way to draw me back in to this show. The show was built on solving problems. When the show gets away from that, I start to move away from the show. Olivia's lack of self awareness re: where her life took a turn was laughable. How could she not know just when her first mistake was made? Girl, please. I needed Mama Pope to pop up and give Liv a dose of reality. Other than that, I really did like how this episode's story unfolded. Was disappointed with the "yes" at the end because I hate Olitz, but I liked the twist.

I agree with those who say Jake should join P & A. He is severly underutilized w/ no other cause than Huck to keep him busy.

Huck and Quinn? Those crazy kids....

Edited October 3, 2015 by damalanop

[Chaos Theory]

You are right, in the real world I think a Prez and mistress would be very harshly judged and likely face some sort of legal hoo-ha no matter how great their love. But this is Shondaland and I believe the greatness of their love (gag) will win over the people that live there. We will probably hear a lot of nonsense about what a great prez he has been but he's pretty much done, politically.

Maybe Olivia will run for prez against Mellie. lololol

Are you a writer for the show?

Seriously if any of the above happens: I AM DONE!

Side note 2 possible spin off ideas. 1: Huck and Quinn serial killing up and down the eastern Seaboard. Part Dexter part Bonnie and Clyde.

2: a comedy of errors star Abby and Liz as they fix and/or ruin the love lives or just the lives of their circle of friends and unintentionally fall in love themselves. A comedy love story...Romance people.

[Daisy]

why would there be a legal thing about Olivia/Fitz's twu luv?

 

(and to the person who asked about "Dorothy"  - :) her name is Susan)

Edited October 3, 2015 by Daisy

[ToukieSmith]

why would there be a legal thing about Olivia/Fitz's twu luv?

 

(and to the person who asked about "Dorothy"  - :) her name is Susan)

 

Adultery is a crime in DC (fine, jail).  Additionally, the politicians will want to look into the relationship to see if POTUS committed any other crimes while conducting an illicit extramarital affair.  The investigation may uncover the President being blackmailed because of Olivia and the resulting loss of life.

 

If the politicians don't find out about the blackmail, they still have enough to prevent the President from achieving his agenda.

 

Thanks for correcting me on the VP's name.

[dungeonwriter]

Fitz-I won't take our kids to see you in prison. 

 

Given how you parent, I doubt they'd visit either. When was the last time we saw Teddy or Karen? Seriously, I know they are at Camp Plot box (with Ella), but it's jarring. 

 

I admit, I admire Shonda's incredible steps on TV, but she's painted herself into a corner here. How many times can we see Fitz and Liv break up and get back together? I don't see their love as timeless, I see their love as rather...lust oriented. I feel like had Mellie died, Fitz and Liv would have dated, married and divorced swiftly enough. It was said far better here. Liv and Fitz both crave drama and forbidden pleasure. 

 

Well it was 99% a rehash of what we've seen before except for the single word from Liv at the end. I do think that was consistent with her character. Olivia Pope is a drama-loving train wreck. She chose her career because she finds being involved in drama irresistible. She chose an affair with the president because it's forbidden and risky and dramatic. Every time he has suggested leaving his wife and ending the drama she has pushed him away or run away. But then when he decides to accept it she comes charging back into his life. Whenever she is exposed she talks about being humiliated and wanting to escape but she ultimately she can't resist the excitement. All of her pontificating about white hats and doing the right thing is a bunch of bullshit. I don't even believe she loves Fitz. He just feeds her need for chaos. She ends up ruining just about everyone around her because they compromise themselves after buying into her self-serving speeches about the greater good. 

 

Liv saying yes is horrible. 

 

I know, Earth Logic, but this isn't the first time rumors have spread about the lovely Miss Pope and the President. People are going to wonder if those were cover ups. Every investigative journalist worth their salt will be sniffing. And did she think what she did to Fitz's kids? She outed their dad as a cheater? I know, the kids know about "Uncle Andrew" and likely about Liv, but this is going to be everywhere and Karen just lost her brother. 

 

Now yes, Mellie will be the frigid witch who couldn't get laid, but she can turn it around if she plays it well. Yes "she should have spent her time in the bedroom, not the election" mud, but she could turn it around by saying "I didn't realize me having a job gave my husband liscence to cheat with my friend."   She could play the dutiful and kind wife and friend, who trusted Liv, who kept saying "No, they wouldn't betray me," and trying to recover from losing her son. "I grieved and maybe I couldn't be there. But I kept my legs closed. I didn't seek comfort by sleeping with a friend of the family who tossed our dirty laundry out on the lawn."  She could divorce Fitz, find herself a husband who makes her tingle (one with plenty of cash and charm) and make a whole new life for herself.  

 

And Liv can Pope her way out.

 

Fitz just needs to go down. 

 

And I'm really bored with Huck already. 

[Daisy]

Adultery is a crime in DC (fine, jail).  Additionally, the politicians will want to look into the relationship to see if POTUS committed any other crimes while conducting an illicit extramarital affair.  The investigation may uncover the President being blackmailed because of Olivia and the resulting loss of life.

 

If the politicians don't find out about the blackmail, they still have enough to prevent the President from achieving his agenda.

 

Thanks for correcting me on the VP's name.

 

 

Oh, wow. 

see, now that would be  such an interesting  premise. "we can't be  public, because "serious legal reasons." which - would be so much better than every other reason why they can't be together.

  

thanks for the "More You Know" moment. :) and you are welcome. (I actually had to google it. LOL  i was like Dorothy is a nice name. she is v. "there's no place like home" too.)

[thewhiteowl]

Aside from wondering what else Fitz has lied about and any thing an investigation may uncover, there will be those who want to know if Liv was paid in taxpayer dollars for any "work" she did while serving under the Prez.  She covered up the scandal of the First Daughter's three-way and served as press secretary didn't she? Maybe other stuff I don't recall.  

[DollEyes]

 

Jake has absolutely no purpose.

 

  He's hot & he's not Fitz-that's purpose enough for me.

 

  Re Olivia's confession in the last scene, to paraphrase Gwendolyn Post in the "Revelations" episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Liv, a word of advice: You're an idiot."

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[Spartan Girl]

If Shonda refuses to kill off Fitz, can he at least be kicked in the balls by Susan or Abby? His rudeness and unprofessionalism towards them was so disgusting.

Re Olivia's confession in the last scene, to paraphrase Gwendolyn Post in the "Revelations" episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Liv, a word of advice: You're an idiot."

Throwing away her career and reputation to be outed as a mistress. Yeah, that's real smart.

When she bemoaned her current state to Jake, I wanted to slap her. Really Liv?! You fuck a married man that happens to be president and keep going back to him even after 1) he murdered someone, 2) you thought he killed your mother, 3) he told your father how much he enjoys "tasting you" (vomit), 4) your father murdered his son, and 5) he imprisoned your other boyfriend and beat him up....and you STILL don't think your own actions brought you here?! Really?!

[txhorns79]

As for Abby, she is a terrible press secretary, and this is the second episode in a row where she has immediately been contradicted in something she's told the press. I kind of hope that's a continuing theme throughout the season, actually; a little Easter egg in every episode: how does Abby get contradicted this time?

 

I didn't understand why she kept having press briefings when it was clear she didn't have an answer to the only question in the room.  I mean, it appeared the whole episode took place over the course of a day and a half, and Abby had, what, three press briefings?  It isn't like the Press Secretary is obliged to have multiple briefings a day. 

[ToukieSmith]

 

I admit, I admire Shonda's incredible steps on TV, but she's painted herself into a corner here. How many times can we see Fitz and Liv break up and get back together? I don't see their love as timeless, I see their love as rather...lust oriented. I feel like had Mellie died, Fitz and Liv would have dated, married and divorced swiftly enough. It was said far better here. Liv and Fitz both crave drama and forbidden pleasure.

 

Her shows are entertaining until they become repetitive and over wrought.  Its like having too much chocolate cake.

 

I think the only way she can move the show out of its rinse, repeat cycle is to kill Fitz so that new stories can be told.  Cyrus or Mellie can become a Presidential candidate while Olivia can focus on building her business and finding a new love.  If they want to keep the actor, they can think of Fitz in flashbacks or something as they all cope with living in the present.

 

 

If Shonda refuses to kill off Fitz, can he at least be kicked in the balls by Susan or Abby? His rudeness and unprofessionalism towards them was so disgusting.

 

Mellie should have kicked him in the balls looong ago.  Nevertheless, she can make up for lost time.

 

I hate that she is focusing her rage at Olivia in the next episode.  She needs to gather a coven together to strategize about how she is going to bring Fitz to his knees.  That smug ass swagger he has needs to end immediately.

[ribboninthesky1]

I was bored until the last second, and I liked that because at least Liv is taking some damn agency. I'm sick of Liv and Fitz, but it's been really annoying that she's just kind of flitted around the past couple of seasons while men make decisions for her. At least now she's taking some action. Of course, she and Fitz are never on the same page, but ... it's a start?

 

I haven't watched much of the show, beyond an episode or two, since early season three. I decided to tune in again to see if things had changed.  I was JUST about to tell myself, "Nope, on the same merry-go-around since season 1, so I can keep it moving" until Olivia's "Yes."  I'm not optimistic, but I'm interested to see where it goes. For now.

 

Olivia as a character has felt shortchanged and blunted, for me, to boost others like Abby and Mellie and even Jake and Rowan, and maybe this season she'll get to evolve. Maybe.  

 

I was really hoping Huck would tear that screeching bitch's head straight off her shoulders. "He got bail because he's rich and white"-- bitch please as if it's not the height of privilege to be ungrateful and disrespectful to the woman that kept your ass out of jail twice.

 

Heh. For Quinn, perhaps white privilege primarily applies to men.

 

I don't hate Quinn, but I feel like Katie Lowes is on this show for the same reason that Scott Foley is - Shonda likes her.  I've thought her character was pointless since season 2. I sometimes wonder what might have been if Henry Ian Cusick and Columbus Short hadn't showed their asses in their respective ways.